PAS finding its way still : Some Observations on the Speech by PAS President Ustaz Hadi Awang


By Farish A. Noor

The opening speech to the 55th Muktamar of the Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party PAS should be read closely and given the consideration that is due to it, particularly as it comes from the party President himself, Ustaz Hadi Awang, and in some respects gives an accurate reflection of the state of the party and the mindset of its senior leadership. Having said that, the speech of Hadi Awang that was delivered during the opening session of the Muktamar was both rich and complex, and should be read closely by those of us who are interested in the political fortunes of PAS and the future of the party in Malaysia.

Perhaps the most salient feature of the speech was the straightforward declaration of PAS’s oppositional stand vis a vis UMNO, which was described by Hadi in his speech in rather negative terms. The tone of Ustaz Hadi’s speech would resonate with the members of PAS who were worried about any possible compromise on the part of their own Islamist party and the possibility of a PAS-UMNO tie-up in the near future. After describing UMNO as a party that was materialist, corrupt and a lackey to the British colonial powers in the past, one can safely assume that any notion of a PAS-UMNO marriage of convenience has been put on the shelf for the moment at least…

However it was also noted by this observer that Ustaz Hadi’s speech had few references to the Pakatan Rakyat, whose other component parties – notably the PKR and DAP – were casually referred to as fellow travelers in the long cause. One wonders how and why the references to the other parties of the Pakatan seemed rather tame and lukewarm at best, and where PAS was locating itself in the overall constellation of Malaysian politics in the immediate present. Indeed, where is PAS heading?

It is interesting to note that the slogan for the Muktamar was ‘Islam leading the process of Change’ (Islam Memimpin Perubahan). Furthermore the speech was littered with numerous references to the Ulama of PAS and the role that the Ulama have played not only in the development of the party but also in the history of Malaysia as a whole.

Thus all in all, one had the distinct impression that this was a speech that was meant primarily for internal consumption, and somewhat self-referential. PAS is still looking for its place and role in Malaysian politics, and by distancing itself substantially from UMNO and symbolically from the Pakatan, we get the impression of a PAS that feels the need to stand on its own two feet. Or does this reflect the concerns of the Ulama of PAS in particular, and can this be read as a return to the Ulama-led politics of PAS from the 1980s to the late 1990s?

There are several key themes and concerns that perhaps should be looked at closely and critically:

The first issue is that of the Ulama of PAS, the definition of what and who constitutes an Ulama and what role the Ulama are meant to have in society and politics. This, for me, was the first stumbling block to the Muktamar and the speech by Ustaz Hadi. With all due respect to the Ulama of PAS (and I write this as a fervent admirer of Tuan Guru Nik Aziz) I would like to re-state the obvious fact that the term ‘Ulama’ should not be confused and essentialised solely to refer to religiously-trained and educated scholars. For since the earliest days of Islamic education going back to the Ferenggi Mahal madrasah of Lucknow and its Dars-e Nizami curriculum, it should be noted that the term Ulama referred to scholars who were trained as both scientific and religious scholars. Hence it would be totally wrong for us to maintain this divisive dichotomy of ‘Ulama’ and ‘Professionals’ as the latter are likewise educated individuals trained in their special sciences and skills. So why was the dichotomy introduced in the prelude to this Mukatamar, and why hasn’t anyone pointed out that professional scientists, technocrats, engineers and educationists should qualify as ‘Ulama’ too, to mean persons of skill and knowledge? The subtle power-play between the two factions became rather obvious with too many references to the Ulama of PAS and the lament that their contribution have been marginalized. No, nobody has undermined or downgraded the role of the Ulama in PAS or Malaysian politics: We are simply stating the historical fact that PAS’s development was the result of the efforts of Ulama, Scholars, professionals, activists and lay members as well… Some Ulama in PAS (as in other Islamic parties worldwide) may not be comfortable with the idea of sharing power with professionals, but we need to understand that in the complex modern world of today we are not going to get anywhere in areas such as finance, transparency, anti-corruption etc without the help of some professional technocrats and accountants too. The religious scholars of PAS simply have to understand this simple fact once and for all.

Secondly I was struck by the tone of the speech when it came to address the issue of East Malaysia. Ustaz Hadi once again reiterated the call for PAS to spread its message to East Malaysia in terms of its political outreach and missionary (Dakwah) work. But has anyone bothered to ask what our fellow East Malaysians want? As a Malaysian who grew up in East Malaysia, I am sympathetic to our East Malaysian brothers and sisters who seem to be cast as our ‘poor neighbours’ who need our help all the time. When will West Malaysians realize that the flow of ideas and expertise can and should go both ways, and that West Malaysians have a lot to learn from East Malaysians too, especially in the area of harmonious inter-communal relations? (After all 13 May happened in West Malaysia, not East Malaysia, remember?) So rather than talk about the need for West Malaysian parties (both from the BN and Pakatan) going to East Malaysia all the time, why don’t we listen to our East Malaysian counterparts who may teach us a few useful lessons in nation-building as well?

Thirdly, the stand that the Assembly took on the Language issue was problematic to say the least. On more than one occasion, the national language – Bahasa Malaysia – was described as Bahasa Melayu, and thus re-essentialised as the linguistic and cultural backbone of one specific ethnic community. We need to get our semantics right and de-racialised Bahasa Malaysia as the language of all Malaysian citizens if we seriously wish to build a new Malaysia that is racially, culturally and politically equal, to be shared by all Malaysians. One of the first steps that has to be taken is to de-essentise our languages so that Madarin is no longer seen as the exclusive monopoly of Malaysian Chinese, Tamil no longer seen as the monopoly of Malaysians of Indian origin, and Bahasa Malaysia as the common language of all Malaysian citizens. But how can this ever happen if every community sticks to its narrow sense of identity and claims exclusive monopoly over the very language we use to communicate with each other?

All in all, it is clear that PAS has come a long way and credit is due to this party that was built over half a century of hard work and selfless dedication by its members. Once again, I was impressed by the professionalism of those present and the efficient performance of the organizers. But we sincerely hope and pray that PAS will throw its lot with its comrades in the Pakatan, and remember that PAS’s gains in March 2008 was the result of it being in the Pakatan. For that reason, PAS’s leaders need to recognize the needs and demands of the Malaysian public, and be sensitive to the new political realities on the ground in Malaysia. PAS has a vital role to play in Malaysia today and long into the future. We wish it all the best, and sincerely hope that as it struggles to find its way it will cast a glance to its comrades who have stood by it all along- not least the plural and complex society that is the Malaysian public of today. Don’t let us down, PAS.

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  1. #1 by dawsheng on Friday, 5 June 2009 - 8:27 pm

    PAS is still struggling whether to be Malay first or Muslim later, or whatever, all the time Hadi is leading PAS with some kind of hidden agenda! People vote PAS not because of PAS, and it is time their leaders wake up to this reality. I am not saying PAS cannot change, but I am sure PAS can be destroy.

  2. #2 by monsterball on Friday, 5 June 2009 - 8:57 pm

    PAS is lead by a President to go where the wind blows.
    Fortunately PAS loves Malaysians of all races more than UMNO.
    If the wind blows for the President to get close to UMNO…there is a team of wind breakers….stopping him.
    For the time being…lets say politics can be unpredictable and PAS is unpredictable. However…the wind breakers combine together…are more powerful than the President..dead against PAS teaming up with UMNO.
    Therefore lets take Hadi Awang speech as ceremonial and not pay too much attention what he says.
    I always say..Hadi Awang is PAS weakness..not strength……and I still stick to my belief.

  3. #3 by limkamput on Friday, 5 June 2009 - 10:39 pm

    So rather than talk about the need for West Malaysian parties (both from the BN and Pakatan) going to East Malaysia all the time, why don’t we listen to our East Malaysian counterparts who may teach us a few useful lessons in nation-building as well? Farish A. Noor
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    You have wishful thinking. The reality is East Malaysia is colonised by West Malaysia a long time ago. The hegemony is not going to end soon, whether or not UMNO or PAS is in power.

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    But we sincerely hope and pray that PAS will throw its lot with its comrades in the Pakatan, and remember that PAS’s gains in March 2008 was the result of it being in the Pakatan. Farish A. Noor
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    Wishful thinking again. Even if PAS knew the election result was due to Pakatan, the bigotry and fundamentalism have never left the party and those at the helm. The reality is this country gives too much face to so-called religious people. Sometimes I wonder how much religions have contributed to this world other than creating divisiveness and bigotry.

  4. #4 by House Victim on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 12:06 am

    Politics are for good governance of the country for the benefit of all. Religions are for the purifying of ones spirit. They can cross somewhere but not everywhere.

    A lot of countries are multi-races, noticeably, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA and also China. And, they are more multi-religious. The daily lives are the basis requirement of all People, such as Accommodation, Education, Food, Medical and Transportation, etc.. Fairness are what the People should enjoy under Human Rights – to be clearly stipulated, motivated and enforced by Constitution and Laws. Any religion cannot stand on its own if they cannot incorporate with the physical requirement of man kind. A good attitude can be guided by a good religion but at the end of the day, it should be the right Philosophy that help it grows and propagates.

    Buddhism from India had incorporate with the Chinese Philosophy of a society to make it survive and grow not only in Chinese but also much in the oriental. Chinese were and remains as one of the official language in China even when Mongolian and the Man People had came to rule China for 200-300 years. Language should be for the convenient of all and not necessary the key identity of a Bright nation. English is still the key language for Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA and more are taking it for the sake of communication. Nevertheless, French, Spanish, or Portuguese, or even China are popular among the five. People speaking their own language should be encouraged and same on other language if they provide another convenience or cultural means. A lot of Chinese are speaking English and other languages, even they have the highest percentage in world population.

    I hope the Politician here will be able to have a Global mind starting from People!! Only when Human Rights are practiced and modified with allowance to cope with Malaysian situations, then, I believe the chance of being proud as Malaysian will be there. Let Human Rights provide a fair and respectful space for all religions. And, so be in Peace for any race, any religion, any age and both sexes!

    PLEASE DO SPEAK FOR ALL MALAYSIANS BEFORE THINKING OF PUTTING A FOOT INTO THE FEDERAL!!

  5. #5 by a2a on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 12:34 am

    BY RIGHT there should not be extreme religion involve in politics.

    BECAUSE RELIGION CAN USE THE NAME OF GOD CAUSING ONE CANT DEBATE OF ANY QUESTION OR ARGUE, EVEN SOMETIMES IT IS NOT LOGIC.

  6. #6 by chengho on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 1:11 am

    Read Tun M speech on the defination of Ulamak….

  7. #7 by ekompute on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 1:35 am

    Just beware of PAS, they cannot be trusted. It would be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire, trading racial discrimination for religious discrimination… from political corruption to religious extremism.

  8. #8 by ctc537 on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 8:27 am

    You have wishful thinking. The reality is East Malaysia is colonised by West Malaysia a long time ago. The hegemony is not going to end soon, whether or not UMNO or PAS is in power.

    It is not wishful thinking on the part of Farish A. Noor. The 12th GE has made them realize that they can be the king-maker in Malaysian politics. There will surely come a time when both Sarawak and Sabah people wake up at the same time and fight for their rights through the ballet box. East Malaysian voters would one day give the B/N a rude awakening!

    DAULAT TUANKU!

  9. #9 by sotong on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 8:33 am

    If race is an issue for PAS, then PAS is no different from UMNO and true Islam is compromised.

    Politicians should not exploit race or religion at the expense of a multi racial and religious country for narrow, short term, divisive and damaging political aims.

    PAS can join UMNO…….but more importantly is the increasing political awareness of non Malays, irrespective of their minority status.

  10. #10 by Bigjoe on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:08 am

    Too bad no one showed Obama’s speech in Cairo during this whole thing. The fact no one debated it in that context shows how still out of touch the Islamist in this country is.

    The fact of the matter is Obama outlined what is essentially are the only options open between Muslim and non-Muslim. The fact of the matter is Islamist in this country don’t accept them too. Freedom of religion, democracy is MORE than election every few years, playing by same rules whether you are in power or not, etc..

    It is not an Islamic vision BUT it is the universal globalised vision that will continue to gain popularity in ALL countries especially in Malaysia and the likes of PAS have to answer before they can hope to ever dream making this country in their vision..

  11. #11 by k1980 on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:34 am

    The Malaysian Insider

    SHAH ALAM, June 6 – Datuk Husam Musa today narrowly defeated incumbent Nasharudin Mat Isa for the post of PAS deputy president, according to sources familiar with the election process.

    The Malaysian Insider understands Nasharudin’s defeat was caused by a last minute swing to another contender Mohamad Sabu, who came in third.

    The victory, if confirmed, puts a stop to months of speculation that the Islamist party would abandon the Pakatan Rakyat coalition in favour of Umno.

    Husam represents the pro-Pakatan faction in the party which favours strengthening the coalition led by opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.

    Nasharudin who became the deputy president in 2005 was largely seen as the key figure behind attempt to unite the party with Umno due to his involvement in the clandestine Malay unity talk last year.

    The Bachok MP also received the backing of the conservative religious scholars in the party.

    In launching his campaign, Husam called Nasharudin as being “too liberal with Umno”, adding that unseating the two-term deputy president would make the party’s direction clearer.

    Nasharudin in return made a last minute denial on Tuesday night when opening the PAS Youth muktamar, but Husam accused him of hiding the truth.

  12. #12 by mendela on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:47 am

  13. #13 by Black Arrow on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:47 am

    I was hoping for Husam to win all along due to his view of more co-operation with PKR and DAP rather than with UMNO. Husam is one of the more favourable leaders together with Nizar who is popular with PKR and DAP.

  14. #14 by Bigjoe on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 10:01 am

    Husam is politically cunning. This win is actually amazing how he managed to convince PAS delegates UMNO is worst devil than those secular-liberals that are PR partners.

  15. #15 by Black Arrow on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 10:23 am

    We need politically cunning people who are favourable towards PKR and DAP. Never trust UMNO, they are the worst.

    By the way, an off-topic. I am commenting as someone who is well-versed in the art of face-reading, Husam is indeed a cunning person, this can be read from his eyes. Nasharuddin is fierce but not as cunning as Husam.

  16. #16 by vsp on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 10:34 am

    Frankly I am very skittish about Hadi Awang. His past utterances is not reassuring at all and his persistence in forming a coalition government with UMNO is a bad taste in the mouth of Pakatan.

    PAS is getting a bit arrogant lately. Their insistence that the PM post should go to them is too inconsiderate and they have big dreams to outdo UMNO. The proposed party complex in Putrajaya is set to rival that of the UMNO PWTC headquarters in all its monstrosity and self-aggrandizement. This is a foretaste of things that would turned ugly once a party begins to count its eggs before they are hatched.

    In short, I think Hadi Awang is a closet racist whose actions are carefully couched in religious rhetorics. If we are not careful it will be the case of jumping out of the kuali into the fire.

  17. #17 by Godfather on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 10:57 am

    PAS should stick to its Islamist stance, and not try to set its appeal to a middle-of-the-road approach. It should just aim to appeal to the 10 pct of the population who wants an Islamic state, and it should continue to Islamicise Kelantan and Trengganu.

    If it wants to remain in Pakatan, it’s OK so long as it recognises that within Pakatan, there is democracy at work, and the majority decisions are carried in that coalition. It brings 20 parliamentary seats to the table, and it probably will carry Kelantan, Trengganu and Kedah at the next GE.

    Forget about trying to appeal to the moderates and liberals. We have PKR for that. Just go for the 20 seats, and for the states that have a good chance for the party.

  18. #18 by Godfather on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 11:05 am

    We on the other hand should let PAS fight for their fan base. Let them tell their supporters they will fight for an Islamic state, for a clean and trustworthy government. Let them tell their fan base that stealing the rakyat’s money is a crime, that they will fight to impose Hudud laws so that the BN thieves will all be walking around with no arms.

    So long as they understand that they are constrained by the workings of PR, who are we to object to what they stand for, what they want to fight for ?

  19. #19 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 4:06 pm

    “PAS should stick to its Islamist stance, and not try to set its appeal to a middle-of-the-road approach. It should just aim to appeal to the 10 pct of the population who wants an Islamic state, and it should continue to Islamicise Kelantan and Trengganu” – Godfather.

    Godfather : Are you obtuse, just naïve or in plain denial?

    You think PAS is stupid or have modest ambition to be confined to only 3 states Kelantan, Trengganu and Kedah or 10 pct of population – and be a mere pawn in Pakatan rakyat other partners game to use its numbers to evict BN without giving it (PAS) a shot at its ultimate objective?? Hadi Awang already talked about PAS being dominant force/back bone of PR (like alternative UMNO) to lead the govt if PR won elections (Pg 28 The Star, 6th June). It is to realise the objective of forming an Islamic state. Even now they have been talking of having islamic influence on all Pakatan controlled states. (See the interference in Selangor state administration). They are interested in fast attaining power – and to share it with BN if necessary via “Unity Govt” per Hadi Nasharudin/Ulama faction. They even prepared to say that PR coalition partners have no problem with that even though Kit has refuted that! Take the more liberal ‘endrogen’ professional faction led by Husam. Their opposition to unity talk is more of PAS playing second fiddle to UMNO whereas what they want is to play first fiddle to PR. Hence some talk now that PAS candidate should be PM even if the common tacit understanding has all along been that coveted position goes to PKR’s Anwar Ibrahim, the Opposition Head.

    If the aspirations they voice now were voiced then before 2008 GE would either DAP or PKR have agreed to collaborate with it under Pakatan Rakyat ? What is the common manifesto of PR? The last I heard it was to establish a welfare state reinstating democracy and good governance by booting BN. Was it to include PAS’s agenda to establish the theocratic state?

    So what the heck are you talking about – “PAS should stick to its Islamist stance, and not try to set its appeal to a middle-of-the-road approach. We on the other hand should let PAS fight for their fan base. Let them tell their supporters they will fight for an Islamic state, (albeit) for a clean and trustworthy government.” Did other PR partners agree to this?

    Godfather further said, “So long as they understand that they are constrained by the workings of PR, who are we to object to what they stand for, what they want to fight for?”

    In the first place do they feel constrained by the workings of PR or more the other way around PR partners feel constrained by PAS workings (which by the way PAS is well organised in electoral machinery and demionstrations)?

    On the other part of what Godfather said “who are we to object to what they stand for, what they want to fight for?”, yah, fine don’t askby by double talk and double face for our votes then!

  20. #20 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 7:51 pm

    Ooops, correction per 3rd para of posting above – “Erdogan” professional faction : not ‘endrogen’!

  21. #21 by UzMiNoOnist on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:10 pm

    If I have read correctly, PAS does not deserve my vote. I rather waste my vote for the power hungry PAS.
    Maybe it is a blessing in disguise that Nizar lost the MB position. It maybe good for non-muslim.

  22. #22 by wesuffer on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:29 pm

    hadi awang is the leader cant be trusted. he is welcome to lead his party to join umno BN now or before GE13. voter who voted for PAS in last GE, should treat this as lesson and should reject PAS in next GE13.

  23. #23 by wesuffer on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:30 pm

    REJECT PAS IN NEXT GE !!!!!

  24. #24 by TomThumb on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:40 pm

    more like pas is rejecting you!

  25. #25 by TomThumb on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:41 pm

    “Maybe it is a blessing in disguise that Nizar lost the MB position. It maybe good for non-muslim.”

    yep

  26. #26 by TomThumb on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 9:42 pm

    maybe

  27. #27 by limkamput on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 10:01 pm

    Sdr Kit said unity talk never discussed in PR leadership meeting. But he forgot PAS does not need the permission of PR leadership to begin talk with UMNO. PAS also does not need the permission of PR leadership to leave PR to form unity government with UMNO. Mukhriz can’t wait for this to happen so that things can be back to “normal” again, how nice.

    NO matter how corrupted or how inefficient the country has become, it is always that “Malay-Islamic thing” taking precedence over everything else. All these PAS talks about being clean, transparent and fair are baloney.

    May be it is time to lose Manek Urai to knock in some senses.

  28. #28 by TomThumb on Saturday, 6 June 2009 - 10:07 pm

    never work with infidels

  29. #29 by a2a on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 12:07 am

    One have to go to their core reading.

    Think, it say that it is not sin to tell lies for the goodness of god/ or religion. These are the real core problem, it encourage them to do so, after done it they say god allow them do it.

  30. #30 by a2a on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 12:08 am

    Of course, it depend whether the lies will be doing others damage or vital to their rights.

  31. #31 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 1:10 am

    “PAS president Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang said today he was confident that the idea of establishing an Umno-PAS solidarity government he had proposed could be possible if all quarters understood the intention to set it up.” Malaysian Insider

    you can kiss your ass goodbye dap

  32. #32 by ocassey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 2:05 am

    For starters it is pleasant enough to witness that PAS could work with PKR and DAP to give birth to PAKATAN RAKYAT and collectively avoided multi-cornered crusaders to fight against BN’s syaitans in the last GE and such unity still holds till now.(perlu sentuh kayu !). The sensible next step is to immediately get a BC for the new born so that it carries a legitimate ID for all purposes of belonging and humble dignity, primarily the next GE. Whatever short comings that may still linger on should be multilaterally kept in the PR freezer with three different padlocks with three different keys to be deposited one in the deepest ocean, one blasted into deep space and the last one in BN’ keranda at the coming GE should ever there be one. After that it should be plain sailing surfing any tsunami at all on consficated “APANAMA” .

  33. #33 by Loh on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 10:21 am

    If the Alliance formula is the only way to unseat BN, then PK might have to copy, allowing PAS to be the leader of the alternate government. PAS wants a theocratic state, and even if it has its way, that would be better than police state.

    The voters want to have a choice between two alternate governments. Should PAS alliance change to be bad, people can still go back to BN which by then might have no need to continue with its cronyism, and hopefully reduced racism.

    The worst for the country is to have PAS and UMNO team up. While PAS still have the hope to be the leader of the alternate government, they will pursue it. PKR has so far Anwar to offer. We do not know whether BN would not tie Anwar up with other trump-up charges. Pakatan would have to look for possible alternative in PAS. Nizar proved to be a good MB, and there are certainly other PAS leaders who have so far not been swayed by UMNO’s opportunity for wealth and influence who might make good PM material.

    Governing and gaining votes have some differences. I would rather trust politicians from PAS than those from UMNO. Well educated UMNO leaders still harp on racism; what hope have we with the lesser endowed?

  34. #34 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:00 am

    “The worst for the country is to have PAS and UMNO team up” – Loh.

    I don’t see this as necessarily the case. The worst of Malaysian Politicians must team up so that the Best can re-align and team up the other way.

    Eventually – but definitely not by the time of next general election- Malaysians will be divided into only two broad groups: (1) those who still believe in exclusivist policies whether based on race or religion (“Exclusivist Coalition”) and (2) those who yearn for unity under inclusivist and liberal policies transcending race, religion based on real national unity (“Inclusivist Coalition”).

    Political coalitions will be re-structured in line with the above alignment of the voters/electorate who are consumers determining by their votes.

    Whether the coalition in power is Exclusivist Coalition or Inclusivist Coalition depends on majority electorate and a function of their maturity nurtured from confidence.

    It must be a high level of maturity for the Inclusivist coalition to come to power and be able to maintain it.

  35. #35 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:10 am

    Let the Pious team up with the Corrupt.

    Only 3 things can happen by such a team up:

    1. The Pious shows corrupt face. Hypocrisy is shorned off;

    2. The Corrupt gets a bit more pious and less corrupt;

    3. Both the Pious and Corrupt each becomes a rojak of piety and corruption.

    Its not the worst thing, any of these scenarios. People will see the more vividly the truth beyond rhetorics. No point they are made to support and vote for parties and personalities with wool in their eyes.

  36. #36 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 12:46 pm

    To DAP and PKR, let’s lose Manek Urai. Supporting PAS is more than supporting corrupted UMNO! It is supporting hypocrite, religious bigots and the corrupt. I wonder what PAS would say if DAP starts to have secret negotiation with MCA and Gerakan? When are we going to move away from Malay-Islamic centric Malaysia? What is theocratic state? Can it provide solutions to modern Malaysia?

    DAP and PKR must take note that they are engaging with the exclusionist party at their own peril. I say appeal direct to the populace and let all right minded men and women join the right minded parties. A political party with exclusionist and domineering tendency like PAS and UMNO can never be a right partner. They can have each other.

  37. #37 by a2a on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 1:48 pm

    We can still see there are many stupid Malaysian protect their special rights to block others smart Malaysian to perform for country Malaysia.

    What special rights? It is just a rights temporary to raise their status/financial. It is not permanent. It stated in the Federation Constitution can be review times to times to reduce.

    Without in the early days CHINESE and INDIAN hardworking created the wealth developing the jungle. This country maybe still far behind as third country.

    All these people want special rights they are greedy and selfish, are dragging this country developing with full capacity utilize every smart Malaysian it have.

    A BUNCH OF SELFISH AND GREEDY PEOPLE.

  38. #38 by a2a on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 1:49 pm

    All these people want special rights they are greedy and selfish, are dragging this country down, block developing with full capacity utilize every smart Malaysian it have.

    A BUNCH OF SELFISH AND GREEDY PEOPLE

  39. #39 by a2a on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 1:51 pm

    TELL THIS BUNCH OF SELFISH AND GREEDY PEOPLE.

    VISIT AND LOOK AT GOOGLE EARTH.

    ORANG BODOH.

    WAKE UP.

  40. #40 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 2:14 pm

    “Whether the coalition in power is Exclusivist Coalition or Inclusivist Coalition depends on majority electorate and a function of their maturity nurtured from confidence.” Crapshooter Extraordinaire

    Boy, I didn’t know if any coalition in power depends on majority electorate. Extraordinary observation.

  41. #41 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 2:19 pm

    The QC Wannabe writes foot-long postings in flowery language to mask the fact that he is just an anti-Islamist. When confronted by the choice of UMNO or PAS, he runs to UMNO because in his own mind, PAS is evil, PAS’ objectives are evil. When he holds a ballot paper in his hand, he thinks “on the one hand, UMNO is corrupt, but on the other hand PAS could be even more corrupt” which is probably the reason why he has never voted one way or the other.

    History is made by people who make a stand. History is not made by people who sit on the fence, pontificate and do nothing. Like I said in previous posting, this QC Wannabe is torn between his two hands, and he ends up holding only one thing in both hands – and that isn’t pretty-looking.

  42. #42 by a2a on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 2:54 pm

    IF EVERY COUNTRY LAND CAN TALK.

    I BELIEVE MALAYSIAN LAND WILL ASK THIS BUNCH OF SELFISH AND GREEDY PEOPLE (after 52 years still demand the temporary special rights) OUT OF HIM(MALAYSIA).

    BECAUSE OF THESE BUNCH OF SELFISH AND GREEDY PEOPLE, DRAGING DOWN HIM(MALAYSIA) TO DEVELOPE IN FULL CAPACITY AND UTILIZE HIS SMART SEED(MALAYSIAN) TO DEVELOP HIM TO COMPETE HIS BROTHERS(OTHER COUNTRIES).

    LIKE ONE OF HIS BROTHER (SINGAPORE) IS OUTSMART HIM(MALAYSIAN) VERY FAR ADVANCE DEVELOPED OF HIM(MALAYSIA).

    MALAYSIA “ORANG BODOH. PLEASE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IF YOU STILL BLOCK/DISTRUBE ME(MALAYSIA). DON’T DISTURBE ME(MALAYSIA) TO DEVELOPE FULL CAPACITY WITH MY SMART SEED(MALAYSIAN)”

  43. #43 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 3:08 pm

    And of course Limkamput is now showing his true anti-Islamic colours after the incessant goading by TomDumb.

  44. #44 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 3:10 pm

    Luckily all these guys are not politicians but mere armchair critics. Otherwise we will have our “today you are my friend, tomorrow you are my enemy, the next day you are my friend again” type of wishy-washy politicians.

  45. #45 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 3:31 pm

    Godfather,

    Your level of discourse has degenerated. It has gone to the level of calling people names just because their opinions are not in accord with your sentiments. In the years I have seen you commenting in this blog, the advance of years have not been matched by any correspondent advance in either wisdom or charitableness. Just bitterness. Maybe BN is guilty of doing this to you. Get a Life man, there’s not many years left.

  46. #46 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 3:46 pm

    Godfather,

    The progress of age must have put more wrinkles in your mind. I am amused at your agitated state of mental pregnancy with successive incoherent deliveries of trying to discredit messenger(s) than message(s), not to mention a certain obsession (repeated more than twice) in this blog about the ”thing” I supposedly hold in “both my hands” that according to him “isn’t pretty-looking”, although I must say it is a refreshing change from the last time when you asked me to “bend down” for you! :)

  47. #47 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 3:53 pm

    Ooops….according to “you”…

    By the way I am sure you are aware that you can by now join PAS’s non-Muslim supporters club to become card carrying PAS member (besides being a member of DAP) to promote reconciliation of their conflicting ideologies.

  48. #48 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 3:56 pm

    And of course Limkamput is now showing his true anti-Islamic colours after the incessant goading by TomDumb. Godfather

    Look, I am consistent with my colour, if you care to read my records. I was never comfortable with PAS, but have moved along thinking that the reality of Malaysia and modern living would bring PAS to the middle path.

    I just don’t buy the logics. How can we tolerate PAS negotiating with UMNO? If UMNO is a thief, what does this make PAS, a lesser thief? If UMNO is racist, PAS a lesser racist? You and I know that all these talks are for the good of the country’s economy and stability are pure nonsense.

    I think PAS is arrogant even before it gains full power. If PAS wants to stay with PR, it must subscribe FULLY to PR principles and policies. Malaysia must remain multi-religious, multi-racial and liberal while we still have a chance. PR should appeal direct to the people. Let right minded people join the right minded parties. Racist, domineering and exclusionist parties should all be cast into oblivion.

    Now PAS even want to ban Sis in Islam. What does that tell you? If they are not even tolerant of their own women, what chance do kafir have? Don’t get me wrong, PAS members are entitled to their belief and way of life. But please, their way is not necessary “the way”, so don’t impose it on others.

  49. #49 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 4:26 pm

    “Boy, I didn’t know if any coalition in power depends on majority electorate. Extraordinary observation” – Godfather.

    I did not make this extraordinary analysis about “any coalition in power depends on majority electorate.”

    As per what I stated (quoted by Godfather), it was whether the coalition in power is “Exclusivist” Coalition or “Inclusivist” Coalition. The accent and emphasis is on “Exclusivist” versus or “Inclusivist” coalition, and which in power depends not on just majority electorate (votes) but their maturity derived from confidence in determining where their votes go.

    This is entirely different from the simplistic complexion given to what I said by Godfather just for the purpose of ridiculing.

    This is an illustration of what I meant by an “agitated state of mental pregnancy with successive incoherent deliveries” to distort a message for another purpose of ridiculing the messenger, a reflection of a maturity of a man not commensurating his age.

  50. #50 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 4:57 pm

    Writing another foot-long posting justifying his definition of Exclusivist Coalition and Inclusivist Coalition is an example of megalomania. In case you still can’t get it, the words “extraordinary analysis” which I used earlier was with sarcasm, so there’s no need to justify your extraordinary analysis.

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