Comments on: Invalid Islamic conversion of Indira’s three children – MCA/Gerakan should stop politics of opportunism/hypocrisy

By: arah

arah — Mon, 04 May 2009 08:05:07 +0000

Let learn what is fitrah
http://www.bt.com.bn/en/node/69031/print

Prove by CNN that 1.5 Million people in US convert to Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hBmLJWyCVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoqNEOkLIS4

Cheers

By: arah

arah — Mon, 04 May 2009 08:00:38 +0000

All babies are born fitrah (muslim). Only the Christian believe that all babies are born sinners

In US 1.5 Million convert to Islam and they are not fighting over dead bobies and children like in Msia

In UK more people convert to Islam including the Priests and Judges.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnsIeh_s05g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdNRdQxq-ic -

Malaysian including their leaders should learn about Islam and also the teaching of their neighbour religion ie Christian, Hindu and Buddha

By: lopez

lopez — Sun, 03 May 2009 16:10:14 +0000

swine is a swine….it is international name….why not try change liow names like runaround wow wow.

By: imranj78

imranj78 — Sat, 02 May 2009 13:29:19 +0000

YB LKS, it is not appropriate for you to fire salvos at Gerakan and MCA. PR and DAP are hypocritical yourselves. What are your views on Mahfuz’s statement? What is PR’s common stand on the conversion? PR is trying to come up with a `safe’ common stand which at the end of the day equates to NOTHING significant! If you want to fire salvos at Gerakan and MCA, PR should first come up with a common stand on the conversion issue directly. Or else the whole nation will just see you as being hypocritical!

By: lopez

lopez — Sat, 02 May 2009 12:13:55 +0000

Why are you people preventing creation and propagation of mamaks

Why are the people interferring the affairs of one of the many families of bolihland

Family virtues start at the home, father is the head he takes lead, if family goes holland the rest must follow.

So for fathers and fathers to be please lead your family to your chosen values…and learn from the mistakes of others

then we have nation of good values teh tarik values…

kurang manis jom

By: frankyapp

frankyapp — Sat, 02 May 2009 08:46:33 +0000

Religion is a choice,it’s an international norm,all persons under 18th years old should not be converted to a religion either by the father or the mother,or any guardian. When justice is perverted in count or in any other places,everyone should applied the international rule to correct it..Hence I totally agree that Indira’s three young children islamic conversion should be invalid.Politicians and religious leaders are educated and consider well verse in their in respective trade or both should have used their common sense in the first place to prevent this kind of sensitive religious problem,knowing pretty well we are a multi racial and multi religious nation.It’s very unfortunate that our top leaders {political and religious} have been over come by political opportunism and hypocrisy.

By: sotong

sotong — Sat, 02 May 2009 05:58:43 +0000

Our country do not need ‘ politicians” fighting for the rights of different races or religious groups.

All it need is good leadership and fair and good management of the country…..for far too long the ordinary people had been divided and exploited to create jobs and wealth for the ” politicians ” at the great expense of our country.

By: james111

james111 — Sat, 02 May 2009 05:03:43 +0000

gerakan leaders are just pure hypocrites. they will just play along with UMNO. Their stupid leaders like Koh Tsu Koon & Teng Chang Yeow who abandon Penang, Chang Ko youn who is as useless as pointed out by LKS, Tan Keng Liang (who pakat with Mukhriz and Nazri) who is just lacked of “grey matters” as pointed by LKS, Tan Lian Hoe who called Melayu as pendatang asing but chicken out after being scolded by UMNO.

MCA with Ong Tee Keat will be dead ship soon. Chua soi lek already said considering going to Pakatan soon. Team A and team B issue coming out again!!! Wee ka siong is just kow tow to UMNO everyday. Liow Tiong Lai got to change swine flu (or pig flu) to dunno what stupid name just because pressure from UMNO.

By: taiking

taiking — Sat, 02 May 2009 03:21:55 +0000

In generally this is a difficult problem with divorce cases especially the acrimonious type. H & W are bound to fight and argue and make things impossible for each other. And children will be used as pawns in their great match sometimes by one party and often by both parties. Children in such environment mature rather quickly, mentally. But unfortunately they are likely to be emotionally less balance and could be problematic. Some never quite overcome their difficult childhood and carry them for the rest of their lives. Secret conversion is not an abnormal game plan for those who are caught in an acrimonious divorce proceeding. Religion ought not to be used for such purpose or in such situation. That is not the objective of any religion. And it must not be encouraged. Besides, conversion to islam is governed by islamic principles and for indera’s case, those principles had not been complied with. These are strong reasons for MCA Gerakan etc etc to make a clear stand.

BTW, I often see marbles rolling about in the vicinity of MCA and Gerakan HQs. Some of them were crushed to bits by passing vehicles. Others got kicked about by unknowing passer-bys. It isnt a nice sight at all. Really, those fellas ought to clean up the mess.

By: kerishamuddinitis

kerishamuddinitis — Sat, 02 May 2009 01:55:54 +0000

MCA will never do what is right now because Only Talk Kok is at the helm of the party. He is even more two-faced and double-speaking than Peletup Mongolia. So, MCA members continue to lie to themselves that the party continues to be relevant to Malaysian Chinese. That’s why they could only command 11% support from the Chinese. The rest of the 89% went to Pakatan Rakyat made up of an Islamic party (omigosh-hudud!), a multiracial party with a Malay at the helm and a multiracial party with a Chinese at the helm.

I dare say Gerakan got 0% support from the Chinese. Either that or the Chinese who supported them must have been stupider than the MCA members. Crowd-surfing a DEAD BODY is not the best way of burying a bitter fiasco of being wiped out from Malaysian politics. GERAKAN is dead and just a short way a way from putrefying. BURY IT AND GET OUT NOW!

And actually, the whole sorry issue of the 3 Hindu kids converted to Islam by their dad should have been picked up by Semi Value and his totally-irrelevant party. Hmmm, maybe that’s why Semi Value kept talking about himself and they didn’t do anything…he is now officially a self-serving geriatric, decaying loudmouth leading the Malodorous Irrelevant Congress.

By: negarawan

negarawan — Sat, 02 May 2009 00:58:45 +0000

Do DAP, PAS and PKR have a common stand on conversion issues? It seems like there is also politics of opportunism and hypocrisy within “Pakatan” Rakyat itself. Please work out your own differences before pointing fingers at others. Many supporters of PR are getting frustated at the infighting and internal conflicts. At its best, PR is still a loose coalition.

By: Bigjoe

Bigjoe — Sat, 02 May 2009 00:52:52 +0000

I’ll say it again. For all the good religion does, it still get crazy at some point – that is the fundamental superiority of secularity…

By: chengho

chengho — Fri, 01 May 2009 23:52:14 +0000

Uncle Kit , ur comment on Mahfuz remarks??

By: Jeffrey

Jeffrey — Fri, 01 May 2009 22:57:40 +0000

…”reservations” in last para

By: Jeffrey

Jeffrey — Fri, 01 May 2009 22:54:58 +0000

YB should be slow & hesitant to accuse MCA and Gerakan of double game/hypocrisy in giving full support to the Cabinet decision to resolve predicatment of Indira Ghandi and forced conversion of her children and yet at Perak state level for MCA Exco member and Gerakan appointed adviser to be a party to “the usurper Perak Barisan Nasional state government” refusal to support such “common religion” position.

For those accused can turn around and accuse YB and DAP for supporting the “common religion” position of the Cabinet and yet be party to a Pakatan Rakyat Coalition in which the other two component parties (PKR and PAS) are not supporting it either – in fact PAS slammed the cabinet’s recent decision for betraying Islam. Speaking to The Malaysian Insider, Mahfuz Omar, a PAS parliamentarian, said the government in making appeared to have bypassed and disrespected the country’s rulers and Islam in general.

It will be asked why you are not slamming PAS whose appointee Datuk Seri Mohammad Nizar Jamaluddin you & DAP support as MB for Perak over Datuk Dr Zambry ?

They will ask what is position of Perak Pakatan Rakyat state government led by MB Mohammad Nizar then? Does it support the Cabinet decision on “common religion” for children as what you/DAP do? If so will this be also a case of Mohammad Nizar not towing his party PAS’s line or (even Anwar’s PKR) and therefore a stooge for DAP (as your detractors lable)?

Or will Perak Pakatan Rakyat state government led by MB Mohammad Nizar heed PAS & PKR’s reservations on Cabinet’s decision and therefore also NOT give full support to it – just exacly like Zambry’s usurper Perak Barisan Nasional state government’s position?

In such a case would it not be hypocritical for the DAP to attack MCA Exco member and Gerakan appointed adviser for being part of Zambry’s usurper Perak Barisan Nasional state government’s position/serservations that the Perak Pakatan Rakyat state government led by MB Mohammad Nizar, supported by you/DAP, also share?? :)

By: mauriyaII

mauriyaII — Fri, 01 May 2009 11:43:31 +0000

Wonder what will happen if KTK and/or OTK’s wife converts, together with their children, without KTK and/or OTK’s prior knowledge.
k1980
If the above should take place, rest assured those two towkays would not hesitate to embrace Islam on the sly with the blessings of Najis/UMNO/BN and put on a great show to their idiotic followers that such a news was rumours spawned by the Opposition and the alternate media.

The MCA and the GERAKAN shameless towkays have for the past 50 years hood-winked ordinary members into believing they are fighting for their rights as citizens of this country. It is a fact they have connived with UMNO into depriving their communities what is rightfully theirs.

Have they really fought to get rid of the ISA? Have they openly questioned UMNO about forced body snatching and the conversion of minors by a parent who had converted for his self interest without the consent of his spouse?

In fact they have supported UMNO blindly so as to enrich themselves, their cronies and families at the expense of the ordinary members. These so-called leaders have only eyes for politically motivated awards such as Datuk, Tan Sri, etc.

Which coalition leader in the BN is not a Datuk, Tan Sri or Tun? Do they really deserve such awards? What have they done or contributed to the welfare of their communities? Aren’t each and everyone of these leaches multi-millionaires?

By: sheriff singh

sheriff singh — Fri, 01 May 2009 10:30:02 +0000

I believe there are similar enactments in other states? This (these) enactment(s) might solve alot of conversions of minors by one of their parents?

Operative words – “attained 18 years, free will, must be aware that the two clauses mean… ” .

But then there will be those who will solely rely on Syariah laws and not some man made civil enactments.

By: good coolie

good coolie — Fri, 01 May 2009 09:15:12 +0000

Yang Berhormat Lim,
The Cabinet directive on forced conversion is based on a sound sense of justice.
The sticky question is this: why was not the same sense of justice obvious before the political tsunami? Why could not the Cabinet/Courts see the light of day then?
If the Cabinet/Courts had asked the opinion of the roti-chanai seller then, the correct decision could have been reached much earlier.

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