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	<title>Comments on: Usurper Perak MB convening Assembly on 7th May – Federal Court decision against Perak Speaker  defective, null and void</title>
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		<title>By: kerishamuddinitis</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170872</link>
		<dc:creator>kerishamuddinitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1Sultan...stripped of personal immunity; caught in an impasse

1LORD PRESIDENT...no longer believes the ideals he once upheld

1SLIME BALL...equally caught in the impasse with no time now to play the end-game

1JUDICIARY...takes the cue from the former LORD PRESIDENT

1SPEAKER...up against the &#039;now non-believer&#039;, the slime-ball and the judges working to cue from their former ex-righteous example

1MB...now MP, ousted but loved and respected by Malays, Chinese and Indians. May Allah bless him.

1Un-MB...Dumbry, may Allah forgive him.

1PERAK STATE...in a constitutional crisis with no end in sight except to RETURN TO THE PEOPLE FOR A CLEAR MANDATE

1Malaysia...may Allah help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1Sultan&#8230;stripped of personal immunity; caught in an impasse</p>
<p>1LORD PRESIDENT&#8230;no longer believes the ideals he once upheld</p>
<p>1SLIME BALL&#8230;equally caught in the impasse with no time now to play the end-game</p>
<p>1JUDICIARY&#8230;takes the cue from the former LORD PRESIDENT</p>
<p>1SPEAKER&#8230;up against the &#8216;now non-believer&#8217;, the slime-ball and the judges working to cue from their former ex-righteous example</p>
<p>1MB&#8230;now MP, ousted but loved and respected by Malays, Chinese and Indians. May Allah bless him.</p>
<p>1Un-MB&#8230;Dumbry, may Allah forgive him.</p>
<p>1PERAK STATE&#8230;in a constitutional crisis with no end in sight except to RETURN TO THE PEOPLE FOR A CLEAR MANDATE</p>
<p>1Malaysia&#8230;may Allah help us.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170863</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 01:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is worrying is this. BN don&#039;t see that its pointless to keep going with so many issues involved.  If they go ahead, everything they do and happen under their govt is subject to legal law suits and the courts would be jammed.

Imagine a businessman who goes start a business with a license/approval from the state. His competitor or enemies can sue him saying his license comes from an illegitimate govt and take it all the way. A housing developer who buys a piece of land from the state can be sued by buyers/contractors for negligence because he got his approval from an illegitimate govt.  A drug dealer or a criminal can claim wrongly prosecution of an illegitimate govt...

Its a whole can of worm going ahead with a BN govt that the courts would be overwhelmed. IN THE END REASON THE LETTER OF THE LAW IS SUPREME IS BECAUSE OF PRACTICALITY OR IT BECOMES CHAOS... Its not just niceties to follow the letter of the law...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is worrying is this. BN don&#8217;t see that its pointless to keep going with so many issues involved.  If they go ahead, everything they do and happen under their govt is subject to legal law suits and the courts would be jammed.</p>
<p>Imagine a businessman who goes start a business with a license/approval from the state. His competitor or enemies can sue him saying his license comes from an illegitimate govt and take it all the way. A housing developer who buys a piece of land from the state can be sued by buyers/contractors for negligence because he got his approval from an illegitimate govt.  A drug dealer or a criminal can claim wrongly prosecution of an illegitimate govt&#8230;</p>
<p>Its a whole can of worm going ahead with a BN govt that the courts would be overwhelmed. IN THE END REASON THE LETTER OF THE LAW IS SUPREME IS BECAUSE OF PRACTICALITY OR IT BECOMES CHAOS&#8230; Its not just niceties to follow the letter of the law&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Taxidriver</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170800</link>
		<dc:creator>Taxidriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LKS,

That is exactly the problem with the Malaysian Judiciary when top judges are promoted not .based on merit but rather on their loyalty to UMNO leaders. All the while I have been wondering if those 5 judges passed their law examination. If they did not, how come they got promoted to their present positions? Aha! ......... using &#039;pintu belakang&#039; again. Correct, correct, correct ............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LKS,</p>
<p>That is exactly the problem with the Malaysian Judiciary when top judges are promoted not .based on merit but rather on their loyalty to UMNO leaders. All the while I have been wondering if those 5 judges passed their law examination. If they did not, how come they got promoted to their present positions? Aha! &#8230;&#8230;&#8230; using &#8216;pintu belakang&#8217; again. Correct, correct, correct &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Taxidriver</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170795</link>
		<dc:creator>Taxidriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 08:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha Ha Ha Hee Hee Hee Ha Hee Ha Hee Kee Kee Kee. Malaysian Federal Court judges don&#039;t know their job! Never even studied the fact of the case, passed judgement and now the whole is laughing.......Ha Ha Ha Hee Hee Hee Ha Ha Hee Hee Kee Kee Kee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha Ha Ha Hee Hee Hee Ha Hee Ha Hee Kee Kee Kee. Malaysian Federal Court judges don&#8217;t know their job! Never even studied the fact of the case, passed judgement and now the whole is laughing&#8230;&#8230;.Ha Ha Ha Hee Hee Hee Ha Ha Hee Hee Kee Kee Kee</p>
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		<title>By: DAP man</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170769</link>
		<dc:creator>DAP man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..must be resolved in the shortest possible time, without dragging more and more institutions into the mud..&quot;

But then aren&#039;t all these institution (PDRM, MASS, EC, Judiciary, AG, State Sec, etc) already wallowing in mud . There&#039;s no need to drag them in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..must be resolved in the shortest possible time, without dragging more and more institutions into the mud..&#8221;</p>
<p>But then aren&#8217;t all these institution (PDRM, MASS, EC, Judiciary, AG, State Sec, etc) already wallowing in mud . There&#8217;s no need to drag them in.</p>
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		<title>By: voice</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170761</link>
		<dc:creator>voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the darkest era of modern democracy, the country situation has turned from bad to worst, who would want to invest in this country governed by a bunch of robbers who uses police force and even military at their will to keep them in power? 
We need a true, fast and swift reformation. PR, please save us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the darkest era of modern democracy, the country situation has turned from bad to worst, who would want to invest in this country governed by a bunch of robbers who uses police force and even military at their will to keep them in power?<br />
We need a true, fast and swift reformation. PR, please save us!</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170753</link>
		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Federal Court decision is not wrong. Its just pointless. Who has power to suspend those assemlymen? Siva the speaker or the Committee of Privileges? The suspension was effected by the latter which I shall for the purposes of argument assume to be the proper body with the power to suspend assemblyman. [I dont think I am wrong with this assumption.] If that is the case then Siva the speaker has no power to suspend those clowns. Those clowns sued Siva the speaker and the Federal Court was correct to say that Siva the speaker has no right to suspend them. Indeed. 

Although the decision is correct, for all intent and purposes it is really devoid of any practical sense. Those jokers remained suspended and properly so by the - up till now still unchallenged in court - decision of the Privilege Committee which was headed by Siva as chairman. Challenging such decision must be by way of judicial review and the Committee ought to be named by as the responding party. Application for judicial review is subjected to a very short time limit which I fear by now is long past. In other words, the right to challenge the suspension order has expired. The decision to suspend the seven clowns stands firm and good now and forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Federal Court decision is not wrong. Its just pointless. Who has power to suspend those assemlymen? Siva the speaker or the Committee of Privileges? The suspension was effected by the latter which I shall for the purposes of argument assume to be the proper body with the power to suspend assemblyman. [I dont think I am wrong with this assumption.] If that is the case then Siva the speaker has no power to suspend those clowns. Those clowns sued Siva the speaker and the Federal Court was correct to say that Siva the speaker has no right to suspend them. Indeed. </p>
<p>Although the decision is correct, for all intent and purposes it is really devoid of any practical sense. Those jokers remained suspended and properly so by the &#8211; up till now still unchallenged in court &#8211; decision of the Privilege Committee which was headed by Siva as chairman. Challenging such decision must be by way of judicial review and the Committee ought to be named by as the responding party. Application for judicial review is subjected to a very short time limit which I fear by now is long past. In other words, the right to challenge the suspension order has expired. The decision to suspend the seven clowns stands firm and good now and forever.</p>
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		<title>By: DAP man</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170752</link>
		<dc:creator>DAP man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kit,
In any case, as NH Chand had said,  the Federal Court has no bloody business to interfere in the affairs of the state assembly. even if the order was against the COP, the FCourt could be told to go fly kite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kit,<br />
In any case, as NH Chand had said,  the Federal Court has no bloody business to interfere in the affairs of the state assembly. even if the order was against the COP, the FCourt could be told to go fly kite.</p>
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		<title>By: lopez</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170742</link>
		<dc:creator>lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there appears a parallel ...where the feww poor blokes who manage to halt a crime but were instead being charged.

such is the type school of judicial thought , worse than a neighbhour of ours</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there appears a parallel &#8230;where the feww poor blokes who manage to halt a crime but were instead being charged.</p>
<p>such is the type school of judicial thought , worse than a neighbhour of ours</p>
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		<title>By: Lee HS</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170723</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee HS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A corrupt government will siphone more money out of the government coffer than a few by-elections. By-election is peanut in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A corrupt government will siphone more money out of the government coffer than a few by-elections. By-election is peanut in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170718</link>
		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First they want to control all water resources....
Now they also want to control the states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First they want to control all water resources&#8230;.<br />
Now they also want to control the states.</p>
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		<title>By: boh-liao</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170716</link>
		<dc:creator>boh-liao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The judgement of the Federal Court is not valid.

According to NH Chan: The judgement is perverse because it is a decision that was made in blatant defiance of Article 72 (1) of the Federal Constitution which says,”The validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any State shall not be questioned in any court”. 

Perak Sultan should command the Federal Court to respect and uphold the Federal Constitution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The judgement of the Federal Court is not valid.</p>
<p>According to NH Chan: The judgement is perverse because it is a decision that was made in blatant defiance of Article 72 (1) of the Federal Constitution which says,”The validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any State shall not be questioned in any court”. </p>
<p>Perak Sultan should command the Federal Court to respect and uphold the Federal Constitution!</p>
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		<title>By: eyuppie</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170704</link>
		<dc:creator>eyuppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YB LKS,
Please don&#039;t just talk, do and act something more constructive! If you said that the Federal Court&#039;s decision is defective, null and void, then Speaker Sivakumar should NOT be afraid to challenge the Federal Court&#039;s decision by IGNORING the order from the Federal Court. And call upon the legislature (State Assembly) issues contempt orders against the Judiciary. If Sivakumar knows what he has been doing is within the Constitution, then continue to do what he suppose to do to uphold the Constitution and not disappoint the Perakians. Otherwise, we are very tired of following all your comments but seem nothing can be done by you or DAP or the Pakatan Rakyat, only empty talk. Like a saying ... NATO ... NO ACTION TALK ONLY! Also, where is your Opposition Leader Anwar that only know how to dream of becoming the PM but contribute or helping very little to the Pakatan Rakyat especially when PR facing attack from the BN???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YB LKS,<br />
Please don&#8217;t just talk, do and act something more constructive! If you said that the Federal Court&#8217;s decision is defective, null and void, then Speaker Sivakumar should NOT be afraid to challenge the Federal Court&#8217;s decision by IGNORING the order from the Federal Court. And call upon the legislature (State Assembly) issues contempt orders against the Judiciary. If Sivakumar knows what he has been doing is within the Constitution, then continue to do what he suppose to do to uphold the Constitution and not disappoint the Perakians. Otherwise, we are very tired of following all your comments but seem nothing can be done by you or DAP or the Pakatan Rakyat, only empty talk. Like a saying &#8230; NATO &#8230; NO ACTION TALK ONLY! Also, where is your Opposition Leader Anwar that only know how to dream of becoming the PM but contribute or helping very little to the Pakatan Rakyat especially when PR facing attack from the BN???</p>
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		<title>By: wesuffer</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170700</link>
		<dc:creator>wesuffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MB VS MB case still pending in court
how come they fix the state assembly date already</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB VS MB case still pending in court<br />
how come they fix the state assembly date already</p>
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		<title>By: despin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170689</link>
		<dc:creator>despin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a couple of weeks, the new war-cry by Najib has almost completely unravelled.

&quot;1Malaysia&quot; - damaged by Muhyiddin in his &quot;ungrateful&quot; remarks.

&quot;People First&quot; - destroyed by three unlearned judges who ignored the wishes of the people of Perak.

&quot;Performance Now&quot; - from an XXXL-size cabinet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a couple of weeks, the new war-cry by Najib has almost completely unravelled.</p>
<p>&#8220;1Malaysia&#8221; &#8211; damaged by Muhyiddin in his &#8220;ungrateful&#8221; remarks.</p>
<p>&#8220;People First&#8221; &#8211; destroyed by three unlearned judges who ignored the wishes of the people of Perak.</p>
<p>&#8220;Performance Now&#8221; &#8211; from an XXXL-size cabinet?</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170682</link>
		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HEREBY PRONOUNCE THE ORDER OF THE FEDERAL COURT DATED 16 April 2009 ULTRA VIRES.

How does it sound? Is it effective? Valid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HEREBY PRONOUNCE THE ORDER OF THE FEDERAL COURT DATED 16 April 2009 ULTRA VIRES.</p>
<p>How does it sound? Is it effective? Valid?</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170680</link>
		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suing wrong party huh? So wot is the effect of the order issued? Valid? Invalid? Effective? Ineffective? Enforceable? Unenforceable? Is it a futile order? Well not quite because it is more a meaningless order.

But at the same time it is not totally meaningless. It would be completely meaningless if the hearing is exparte (one sided only) and the wrong respondent was cited (note: not just wrongly named).

Here we have inter partes hearing where a wrong respondent was cited. I shall assume this to be the case at hand and not the case of a wrongly named respondent which is a less severe (and therefore may be treated as a mere technical) error. The difficulty is when &quot;a respondent&quot; actually responded to the action without protest or objection. 

Let use an example. If ABC Sdn Bhd is to be sued for debt due and owing and instead the legal action was instituted against XYZ Sdn Bhd. But ABC Sdn Bhd nevertheless went ahead to defend and the plaintiff and the court merrily went along without anyone noticing the error. At the end of the day an ordered was made against XYZ Sdn Bhd as the named respondent/defendant. Wot happens? It would be enforceable against ABC Sdn Bhd. An amendment could be made to correct the mistake. ABC Sdn Bhd knew they were sued and therefore actually defended the suit. They were not prejudiced at all. Hence there is in fact no error except for the technical error of naming the wrong party.

Lets look again at the example. Wot if instead of ABC Sdn Bhd defending the action, XYZ Sdn Bhd believing that they were sued went ahead to defend the suit. Assuming no one realised the error and an order was issued at the end of the case against XYZ Sdn Bhd. That order would be meaningless against XYZ Sdn Bhd and would not be enforceable against XYZ Sdn Bhd. Wrong party sued must be the answer. But the real defendant was suppose to be ABC Sdn Bhd. Can that order be enforced against ABC Sdn Bhd? No and unlike the first instance above, here the order cannot even be amended to correct the wrong party. As a result of the error, ABC Sdn Bhd who was the intended defendant was not in court at all unlike the scenario above.

The two examples above could happen in a chinaman deal where multiple subsidiary or associated or related companies on both sides are involved where obligations and benefits of the proper parties are not clearly defined or observed. And the error would be carried over into the courtroom.

Wot about perak? Its a grey patch. Looking at the chinamen deal involving a meshed-up assortment of entities. Inevitably there would be common directors and other common officers of the companies. Say ABC and XYZ are related companies with common directors. XYZ through its directors defended the action. Can their action in defending the action as directors of XYZ be considered in argument that being directors of ABC as well, the order issued against XYZ can therefore be enforced against ABC with the proper amendment being made?

In perak siva the speaker was sued when it was suppose to be siva the chairman of the privilege committee. Wot should the answer be? I dont know the correct answer. Going by strict technicality, Siva the speaker is not siva the chairman of the privilege committee. This is one way of looking at the issue. It is the better way. Otherwise we would be traversing a nebulous realm. Things would become uncertain. Laws must be certain to be fair and enforceable.

But my view means nothing to the umnoputras. To them the more uncertain the better. It means more room for them to manoeuvre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suing wrong party huh? So wot is the effect of the order issued? Valid? Invalid? Effective? Ineffective? Enforceable? Unenforceable? Is it a futile order? Well not quite because it is more a meaningless order.</p>
<p>But at the same time it is not totally meaningless. It would be completely meaningless if the hearing is exparte (one sided only) and the wrong respondent was cited (note: not just wrongly named).</p>
<p>Here we have inter partes hearing where a wrong respondent was cited. I shall assume this to be the case at hand and not the case of a wrongly named respondent which is a less severe (and therefore may be treated as a mere technical) error. The difficulty is when &#8220;a respondent&#8221; actually responded to the action without protest or objection. </p>
<p>Let use an example. If ABC Sdn Bhd is to be sued for debt due and owing and instead the legal action was instituted against XYZ Sdn Bhd. But ABC Sdn Bhd nevertheless went ahead to defend and the plaintiff and the court merrily went along without anyone noticing the error. At the end of the day an ordered was made against XYZ Sdn Bhd as the named respondent/defendant. Wot happens? It would be enforceable against ABC Sdn Bhd. An amendment could be made to correct the mistake. ABC Sdn Bhd knew they were sued and therefore actually defended the suit. They were not prejudiced at all. Hence there is in fact no error except for the technical error of naming the wrong party.</p>
<p>Lets look again at the example. Wot if instead of ABC Sdn Bhd defending the action, XYZ Sdn Bhd believing that they were sued went ahead to defend the suit. Assuming no one realised the error and an order was issued at the end of the case against XYZ Sdn Bhd. That order would be meaningless against XYZ Sdn Bhd and would not be enforceable against XYZ Sdn Bhd. Wrong party sued must be the answer. But the real defendant was suppose to be ABC Sdn Bhd. Can that order be enforced against ABC Sdn Bhd? No and unlike the first instance above, here the order cannot even be amended to correct the wrong party. As a result of the error, ABC Sdn Bhd who was the intended defendant was not in court at all unlike the scenario above.</p>
<p>The two examples above could happen in a chinaman deal where multiple subsidiary or associated or related companies on both sides are involved where obligations and benefits of the proper parties are not clearly defined or observed. And the error would be carried over into the courtroom.</p>
<p>Wot about perak? Its a grey patch. Looking at the chinamen deal involving a meshed-up assortment of entities. Inevitably there would be common directors and other common officers of the companies. Say ABC and XYZ are related companies with common directors. XYZ through its directors defended the action. Can their action in defending the action as directors of XYZ be considered in argument that being directors of ABC as well, the order issued against XYZ can therefore be enforced against ABC with the proper amendment being made?</p>
<p>In perak siva the speaker was sued when it was suppose to be siva the chairman of the privilege committee. Wot should the answer be? I dont know the correct answer. Going by strict technicality, Siva the speaker is not siva the chairman of the privilege committee. This is one way of looking at the issue. It is the better way. Otherwise we would be traversing a nebulous realm. Things would become uncertain. Laws must be certain to be fair and enforceable.</p>
<p>But my view means nothing to the umnoputras. To them the more uncertain the better. It means more room for them to manoeuvre.</p>
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		<title>By: ReformMalaysia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170677</link>
		<dc:creator>ReformMalaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The

&quot;correct...correct...correct&quot; ...it is &#039;fixed,.......&#039;all is not lost&#039;... ocrrect.. correct...correct!!&#039;   

court?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The</p>
<p>&#8220;correct&#8230;correct&#8230;correct&#8221; &#8230;it is &#8216;fixed,&#8230;&#8230;.&#8217;all is not lost&#8217;&#8230; ocrrect.. correct&#8230;correct!!&#8217;   </p>
<p>court?</p>
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		<title>By: ekans</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170675</link>
		<dc:creator>ekans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Federal court or farcical court?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Federal court or farcical court?</p>
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		<title>By: sightseeing</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/17/usurper-perak-mb-convening-assembly-on-7th-may-%e2%80%93-federal-court-decision-against-perak-speaker-defective-null-and-void/comment-page-1/#comment-170666</link>
		<dc:creator>sightseeing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#124;&#124;the Federal Court was striking out an order that does not exist - as the suspension order was that of the Committee of Privileges.&#124;&#124;
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The five judges must be either blind or being blindfolded. Malaysia has shown the world how to have a fair judiciary. Judges are blindfolded before, during and after the court hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>||the Federal Court was striking out an order that does not exist &#8211; as the suspension order was that of the Committee of Privileges.||<br />
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<p>The five judges must be either blind or being blindfolded. Malaysia has shown the world how to have a fair judiciary. Judges are blindfolded before, during and after the court hearing.</p>
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