I had said at a media conference in Ipoh this morning that the Home Minister, Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar and Deputy Home Minister, Datuk Chor Chee Heung, should resign from their Cabinet positions for the three-month suspension of Harakah and Suara Keadilan as one of first decisions of Datuk Seri Najib Razak on being sworn in as the sixth Prime Minister yesterday was to immediately revoke their ban which had entered into its 11th day.
Now, I say that Hamid and Tan Sri Musa Hassan should be sacked as Home Minister and Inspector-General of Police respectively for failing within 24 hours of Najib’s premiership one of the three Najibian thematic slogans – “1Malaysia. People First. Performance Now.”
It is most disgraceful and testimony of gross incompetence and ineptitude that although Najib announced in his maiden address to the nation over television last night that his government had decided “with immediate effect” the release of 13 detainees from ISA detention, none of the 13 could be released today and the earliest they could regain their freedom is tomorrow.
B. Buvaneswary, the wife of detained Hindraf leader Ganapathi Rao, travelled all the way from her home in Shah Alam to Kamunting with their two children, Janani 1 and Gowri 4, to be at the Kamunting Detention Centre at 7 am this morning for his release, only to be disappointed because the papers for the release of the 13 had not arrived at the centre.
Musa Hassan released a statement in Kuala Lumpur at midday that the 13 would only be allowed to leave the Kamunting Detention Centre tomorrow as the documentation process for their release had to be completed first!
Is this what Najib meant by “Performance Now” in his maiden address to the nation last night?
Were the IGP and the Home Minister kept completely in the dark about Najib’s announcement of the “immediate release” of the 13 ISA detainees, learning only about it when the new Prime Minister’s maiden address was telecast live last night?
If so, it reflects a shambolic government with no notion whatsoever about “People First” or “Performance Now”!
When Najib announced the “immediate release” of the 13 ISA detainees in his direct telecast at 8 pm last night, I had expected the two Hindraf leaders, Ganabairau and R. Kenghadharan, and the other 11 ISA detainees to be released last night itself – especially when Najib ended his maiden speech with the flourish of urging Malaysians to “rise up to the challenge of building 1Malaysia. People First. Performance Now.”
Obviously, Najib forgot to ask the Cabinet and the public service to equally “rise up” to the triple challenge of “1Malaysia. People First. Performance Now.”
When Najib said “with immediate effect”, could it be so elastic as to be stretched not only overnight, but to be over 24, 36 or even 48 hours?
Najib should learn from the lessons of his predecessor Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, whose “cemerlang, gemilang, terbilang” slogan swiftly became a national joke. But Najib’s substitute of “1Malaysia. People First. Performance Now” is in danger of becoming a national joke within 24 hours – thanks to the Home Minister and the Inspector-General of Police!
Can Najib ensure that Ganabatirau, Kengaharan and the 11 others ISA detainees would be able to leave the Kamunting Detention Centre to breathe the air of freedom latest by 8 am tomorrow?
In fact, the government is guilty of unlawful detention of the 13 ISA detainees as they should be released “with immediate effect” by the time of Najib’s telecast at 8 p.m. last night.
Is the government going to pay the 13 ISA detainees compensation for illegal detention for 24, 36 or 48 hours to demonstrate the seriousness of Najib’s “Performance Now” slogan?
#1 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:07 pm
“I am not going to reply to your last post and stoop so low as what you (and some of your other `friends’ have done You are not worth my time unless you start speaking with some intelligence like maybe trying to debate what I have put forward as a possible concept of 1Malaysia?”
imranj78
see what i mean? you did in fact reply to my last post.
but in it you said you were not going to reply to it.
another example of your sheer stupidity.
#2 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:08 pm
imranj78
your stupidity has been providing me
with a lot of laughs since last night.
i enjoy seeing you dig yourself stupidly
into a hole. a shit hole.
:D
#3 by monsterball on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:12 pm
Computation….”One Malaysia”….only smart imranj78 understands.
He put out so many shit messages….trying to replace Limkamput.
#4 by imranj78 on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:17 pm
Imranj78, yesterday, you were talking about “majority” in the GE 12th. And now, you’re contradicting yourself here (Tonberry)
Tonberry,
Care to tell me specifically how my earlier posts contradict with my statement on the GE12? I am open to admit mistakes but you need to show me where and what it is first!
#5 by imranj78 on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:24 pm
computation,
When i mean reply to your last posts, I mean I am not going to reply to your name calling and insults with further name callings/insults! Expand your mind a bit please.
Why use BM as the language that binds us together? BM and other languages similar to it have been the language of the region for hundreds of years and is the first language for the majority of Malaysians. So isn’t it natural that it be made the country’s national language? This of course should not be at the expense of learning other languages If not what language do you propose to be used as the country’s primary communication tool?
#6 by wvee on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:25 pm
Stupid imranj78 asking for a debate,
A few responded to his deceiving posts;
Yet stupid imranj78 talking nonsence,
The more he farts the worse it gets.
How the shit you would have been a Malaysian,
For you don’t even understand Malaysia history;
Pretending like commanding good English,
Infact, you can’t even differentiate ‘too’ and ‘to’.
Forget about your misuse of ‘then’ and ‘than’,
You are simply an idiot of your kind;
This will be the first and last post of mine,
Coz even your name is not worth for us to pronounce!
#7 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:36 pm
imranj78
you see if you mean to say something then
say it correctly. think through carefully what you mean
to say and then say it. you are not a child so
i assume you are able to do it.
again i fail to understand our sentence
“So isn’t it natural that it be made the country’s national
language?”
nobody is disputing that BM is the country’s national language.
what i am disputing is whether or not BM should be used
(as you call it) “the language that binds malaysians together”.
why should it? the chinese and indians certainl don’t use
it as their first language.
furthermore you claim that “BM and languages similiar
to it have used in the region for hundreds of years”
the questions are , what region are you talking about?
in singapore which certainly is part of the region
teochew , hokkien , cantonese, english, tamil
were all used predominantly there. so what region
are you talking about?
have the ibans and dayaks been using BM???
is that their original language??
now the language i proposed be used
as the country’s primary communication tool be
english. why? because it is a neutral language
to all the races. two the world uses english
mostly to communicate. (and to reduce the chances
of one of the umno goons from embarrasing the country)
in short basically all the reasons why LKY choose
to push for english as the working language can be applied here.
now you answer my questions. and tell me what is so natural
about using BM as the country’s working language amongst
my other questions in this post.
#8 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:38 pm
imranj78
whilst you are about it
do you care to share you views on
“ketuanan melayu” ?
do you agree with that view?
do you agree with that concept???
is it even a concept?
#9 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:45 pm
imranj78
you say that
“BM and languages similiar
to it have used in the region for hundreds of years”
lets assume you mean the hundreds of years to be
two to three hundred years. so basicall we are talking
about the 1700′s onwards. now
think carefully about whether or not
the colonials were around having a good time.
were they using BM? to communicate with the
malays yes. with the others?
#10 by a g on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:48 pm
Dear imranj78,
refer to your reply to computation:”…what I have put forward as a possible concept of 1Malaysia..”.
You mean you are also not sure what is that “1Malaysia” thing all about?
That’s why many here have surmised that it could mean nothing but an empty slogan.
Does “Bersih, Cekap, Amanah” mean anything to you?
Does ” Cemerlang, Gemilang, Terbilang” mean anything to you?
#11 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:51 pm
imranj78
by the way. what do you understand by the
word “immediately”
suppose someone says i will release my prisoners
(suppose its your nephew) “immediately”
and then later you make a trip tp where he is
held and find out that actually he hasn’t been released
how do you think you will feel??
do you think perhaps the person who
used the word “immediately” doesn’t know what
the word means? don’t you think it is natural he/she
learns how to use words correctly?
would you think the person should actually mean what
he says and be honest and truthful? what are your
views on the latest “immediate” release which
actually hasn’t turned out to be so immediate afterall?
suppose its you that got locked up. can you be considered
to be impatient if you were to complain that
you were not released immediately when someone said
you would be?
you ask lots of questions. now i ask you mine.
you answer.
#12 by imranj78 on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 10:52 pm
computation,
BM might not be the first language for maybe 20 – 30% of our population, but almost 100% of Malaysians speak BM competently; from our corporate and government leaders, all the way to the makciks, aunties etc in the villages. This is a different case for English. Now don’t get me wrong, it is very important that we also master English. Its not about choosing a `neutral’ language; its about choosing a language that is common across a majority of our population.
When I mean region, I am primarily talking about Peninsular Malaysia and also Sabah, Sarawak. Singapore is a different case. It is natural that they choose English as their main language as that is the most widely spoken language there.
#13 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:00 pm
imranj78
why is it not about using a neutral language?
why is it about choosing a language common
across the population?
you want a language that binds people together.
should it not be neutral? is it not natural that it
be neutral? in fact is it not critical that it be neutral?
another question. what would you view be if the malays
in singapore had to use chinese as the working
language over there?
#14 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:01 pm
imranj78
further more you havent answered as to
whether the indigenous people in
sabah and sarawak use BM as their language.
#15 by vsp on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:02 pm
This is the “1 Malaysia” that imranj is envisioning and advocating:
1. Najib is the great maharaja of Bolehland. Every one will have to kowtow before him – no exception, even the agong has to eat humble pie.
2. Najib is the omnipotent god of this Bolehland. He is above all the laws of this country and whatever crime that he commits is not considered a crime, why? because he can personally interceded with Allah.
3. He is the ultimate iman of this country. He is Allah’s keeper and he can ban anyone from using the name of Allah and in the process any attributes of Allah, so that you cannot beseech for justice, truth, love and fairness in any court in Bolehland. These become just commodities that he can dispense out of his whim and fancy with a price.
4. Status quo is the name of the game. Only UMNOputras (the castrated crazy Malays and the Mamak-Arab-Indo-China fake Malays) have complete privileges and say over the fates of the Malays, Chinese, Indians and Sabah and Sarawak’s originals. Whatever rubbish that is being uttered in UMNO’s general assembly will become the norms and practices of Bolehland.
5. The PDRM will be the official goons and protectors of the privileged Ketuanan Melayu class and the Mat-rempits will be the spoilt holy terrors.
6. The Attorney General and the MCCA will be the running dogs that will be let loose on any dissidents.
7. The Speaker of the Dewan Raayat and the backbencers’ court jesters will rule the roost over the proceedings in Parliament.
8. Bolehland will be overwhelmed with multi-billion projects that are mainly been dreamt, proposed and implemented by cronies and warlords from the BN coalition. Everything in Bolehland will have its price.
So there you are imranj, say that you disagree with the realities.
#16 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:04 pm
imranj78
you still haven’t given your views about “ketuanan melayu”
but you happily ask for peoples views
on one malaysia…
why not you ask them about one utama?
#17 by imranj78 on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:05 pm
computation,
The principle of ketuanan melayu does not resonant with me. I am not even sure what it means to be honest with you.
When the colonists were here, I am sure they initially had translators to bridge the language gap between them and the locals. Over time more locals could speak English and some of the colonists also learnt to speak Malay hence the language barrier became less of an issue but I am sure it never went away. This is my hypothesis of course. Someone with more detailed history of knowledge could maybe correct me if I am wrong.
What does immediately mean? Well to be technically correct, immediately means that it should happen at the same second you speak about it! But practically, unless you have planned for it way up front, immediately would normally mean the time when you start to take action to make it happen. In the case of the ISA detainees, the latter applies as Najib of course could not bypass Pak Lah as the PM prior to yesterday. Hence the ball only stared rolling when Najib became PM and unfortunately there was too much red tape until the detainees can be released.
#18 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:07 pm
imranj78
suppose i say fine you want a one school system.
then everyone goes to chinese style schools.
what would you say to that.
i say this. chinese style schools produce more
capable students. they learn english, math science
well. hell they can even learn BM there.
the chinese schools produce better results.
furthermore i say national schools don’t perform as well.
they don’t produce the best. malaysia must have the
best so all go to chinese style schools. scrap the national
schools.
what do you say to that?
#19 by TTDI_KL on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:15 pm
A constitution of the country is a product of the majority of the people’s wishes. When the constitution was amended, it was amended by a group of parliamentarians who were put there again by the majority of the people. imranj78
If constitution can be amended at will and with the slightest excuses, may I know then why we have a constitution? You talk about majority rules but you must know the difference between rule of law and rule by law. There are enduring principles like fairness and justice, the equal right of minorities and freedom of religions and association that everybody, including the majority, must respect. The reality is UMNO mentality like you never believe in fair play and earning your own upkeep. You people just love to colonise, lord over, exploit and subjugate others, never mind your own work ethics, culture and values may not be in sync with others. You can argue whatever you want about the lesser rights of migrant races. But may know how you fellows are treating those natives in Sabah and Sarawak. Do they not have more rights than you? I want you to answer me who is administrating, controlling and managing the states of Sarawak and Sabah? I think it is not wrong for many here to brand you as racist, bigot, supremacist, and colonialist.
#20 by imranj78 on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:16 pm
computation,
what the singaporeans choose as their working language is up to them.. whether it be english or chinese. whats wrong with malays speaking chinese? i am starting to think that you have something about using malay as the main language in Malaysia.
For Sabahans and Sarawakians, I believe the main language would be different depending on who specifically you are talking about but the languages all have some commonality with BM, similar with BM having commonalities with Bahasa Indonesia.
whats the point of using a language that is neutral but not well understood by the majority of the population? it makes sense to use a language that is common to people. You seem to have something chauvinistic against using BM?
vsp,
wow you really have a wild imagination. You really did well in twisting and spinning my post to come up with `my’ supposedly 1Malaysia ideals. As a matter of fact, the list that you made up are all way off.
#21 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:16 pm
imranj78
you still haven’t answered as to why BM is natural.
more critcally you haven’t answered as to why a neutral
language to to “bind” people is not critical.
you haven’t answered still whether the indigenous
people in sabah and sarwak use BM as their language.
my question about the colonials is meant to remind you
of the huge population of different races
in malaya at that time. BM was not used predominantly
except by the malays.
your answer about “immediately” is less than
satisfactory. it appears you are presuming
that the current pm could not order
the release to coincide with his statement.
further more you seem to be claiming
indirectly that abdullah wanted to block
the release. i think that is strange.
do you not find that strange?
#22 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:19 pm
“what the singaporeans choose as their working language is up to them.. whether it be english or chinese. whats wrong with malays speaking chinese? i am starting to think that you have something about using malay as the main language in Malaysia.”
imranj78
you see you still haven’t answered about why you say
neutrality is not important.
and please as you say keep an open mind. i am merely
asking for YOUR views about the situation in singapore.
it may or may not be directly relevant. you still haven’t
shown a case for why BM should be used as the binding language
for malaysia.
you haven’t answered my question on the chinese style schools/
do you dispute that malaysia should have the best?
#23 by upholdjustice on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:23 pm
Imranj78,
In Chedet blog,I reprimanded Mamakthir for being ignorant for so many years before introducing teaching Science and Math in English.
Surprisingly,he replied to me by saying there was always a group of narrow-minded people like you who forced him to wait.
After Independence ,former Malaysian Prime Ministers(excluding Tunku) were stupid enough to introduce Malay language as a formal language just to satisfy a group of Malay extremists .
As a consequence,so many graduates here become unemployed due to poor English proficiency.This is so embarrassing given Malaysia was a former British colony but did not know how to take advantage of it.
It is high time we reverted to English medium national school.
#24 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:23 pm
imranj78
“whats the point of using a language that is neutral but not well
understood by the majority of the population? it makes sense to
use a language that is common to people. You seem to have
something chauvinistic against using BM? ”
you see you want a language that “binds”.
how do you know that something that is understood by the
majority “binds”? why should it? why does it?
does it really??
#25 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:26 pm
“You seem to have
something chauvinistic against using BM? ”
imranj78
please let me exhort you by the way to keep
an open mind. does an objection or indeed
what appears to be objections imply, mean
or suggest that i am chauvinistic against using BM?
please grow up. do not label me as chauvanistic
just because you are asked questions.
please by the way be more open minded
#26 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:27 pm
imranj78
you still haven’t answered a whole lot of
my other questions.
#27 by imranj78 on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:27 pm
TTDI_KL,
I agree that whatever changes to the constitution must be for the betterment of the country and should not cause the country to go backwards. I can’t say I agree to many of the amendments done so far myself but I was focusing more on the legality of such amendments and the fact that they were done by parliamentarians who were representing the rakyat who voted for them.
#28 by gyp on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:41 pm
Why cant the Malay understand that the Special Malay Positon in the Constitution is in temporary terms to help the Malay grow not in permanent basic.
Original it is supposed to review after 15 years recommend but lastly all Malayan parties agreed to review this temporary Special Malay position from times to times (anytimes) should caused a review by the Agong and cabinet not years or 15 years.
Please read and study the consitution clearly and properly.
#29 by imranj78 on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:42 pm
computation,
I have already answered all your questions but for your sake, let me repost them again in a simpler format that will be more understandable for you:
1. `you still haven’t answered as to why BM is natural.
more critcally you haven’t answered as to why a neutral
language to to “bind” people is not critical.’
Ans: whats the point of using a language that is neutral but not well understood by the majority of the population? it makes sense to use a language that is common (& understandable) to (the majority) of the people. (which in our case is BM). Note that I am not saying neutrality is not important nor important, I am just saying that neutrality is irrelevant if that neutral language is not well understood by the majority of the people.
2. `you haven’t answered still whether the indigenous
people in sabah and sarwak use BM as their language.’
Ans: For Sabahans and Sarawakians, I believe the main language would be different depending on who specifically you are talking about but the languages all have some commonality with BM, similar with BM having commonalities with Bahasa Indonesia. (i.e. agreed that not everyone uses BM as their main language but again a majority is competent in BM, more so due to the close similarity between BM and the local languages in Sabah/Sarawak)
3. `how do you know that something that is understood by the
majority “binds”? why should it? why does it? does it really??’
Ans: Language alone cannot bind if there are no common values among the people; but it facilitates. To be able to facilitate such process, the language must be understood by the majority of the people. How can a language not well understood by the majority of the people facilitate such binding?
4. `you haven’t answered my question on the chinese style schools. do you dispute that malaysia should have the best?
Ans: I don’t dispute that Malaysia should have the best. Thats not the question here. The question is about formation of a binding Malaysian identify among the population of our country. And for as long as our children go to different schools, such a common identity will be difficult to be achieved.
#30 by Godfather on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:55 pm
“….while he strongly espouses getting rid of the Bumiputera’s position as enshrined in the constitution, he seems to have conveniently forgot what he should have also included (on matters pertaining to other races) if he truly believed in what he was proposing.” imranj78
Why do you guys want to engage a typical UMNOputra mindset ? “oh, you want us to adopt a meritocratic system, but you people of other races must give something back.” “oh, the system may be flawed, but for us to correct the flaw, you the innocent must pay for something.” “We must be given something in order to correct a wrong.”
This is so typical of a feudal mindset, and I suggest that you guys just stop engaging this Mahathirite.
#31 by computation on Saturday, 4 April 2009 - 11:57 pm
imranj78
i refer to your points made in (1)
above. you again fail to answer as to why
a language that is used by the majority binds people.
you keep repeating that the majority use BM
and understand BM but thats all you do.
point (3) you are right that language alone cannot
bind. the point is why BM then if it is not neutral.
you want something to bind. make it neutral.
BM is currentl understood by the majority but thats
not to say people cannot and adopt a neutral language
in the future right?
point(4)
you do not dispute that malaysia should have the best.
do you agree then that the national school system be
scrapped and everyone goes to chinese style schools?
i am not disputing that shaping a common identity is
difficult if children go to different school systems.
all children go to chinse style schools. you get the best
and you get one school system. would it not work?
#32 by computation on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:01 am
i meant to say
BM is currently understood by the majority but thats
not to say people cannot learn and adopt a neutral language
in the future right?
i suggest neutrality is very important. surely you can hardly hope
to convice others to come together if you are not neutral.
an abscence of neutrality must imply biasness.
and that can hardly be expected to bind peeople
together.
#33 by Godfather on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:03 am
It would work, but then Bolehland will have to be renamed Cinakuiland.
#34 by imranj78 on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:04 am
Godfather,
Its not about giving something back as you try to put it. It is about being consistent. I thought we all want to create a true Malaysian identity right? Where everyone is the same and equal and share the same values and outlook? Then having a common education system for all makes absolute sense!
#35 by TTDI_KL on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:08 am
To cut the long story short, the lack of unity in this country is NOT due to different languages or cultures. Each time a disunity issue emerge, the vernacular schools would be the natural target. This is obviously the working of bigots and racists who simply cannot stand the sight of other languages, religions and cultures other than their own.
The government must honestly and sincerely embrace multiracialism. The era of lip service aiming at truncating the clamour for change and inclusiveness is over. HEAR ME PROPERLY: Racial unity and integration can not be promoted by asking people to give up their identities for some illusionary notion of commonality. National unity and integration is brought about by genuine desire of individuals to sacrifice a little of themselves in exchange for the greater common good that they can see happening in the society and country they live in. Do you see this happening in Malaysia?
#36 by computation on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:11 am
imraj78
prior to BM becoming the
national language
what was the language people used
to communicate with each other at that time.
prior to and after the war when the british
were around?
what is you estimate of national cohesion
then and now after BM became the national
language. what are you conclusions?
#37 by imranj78 on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:17 am
computation,
In my view, I’ve already answered your questions pretty clear. If you still don’t get it, its either we’re misunderstanding each other or you’re just reading but not understanding my posts which is unfortunate. I’m afraid I have much better things to do then repeating answers which I have already given. I suggest you just re read my posts and if you still don’t get it; just forget it lah.
why do you say chinese style schools are the best? care to elaborate? use chinese schools for everyone? lets be practical; you know as well as i do that is not going to happen. There is so much opposition even when we want to teach Maths & Science in English. So your proposal which is even wilder is too out of this world. Lets be practical shall we.
I am starting to believe that you have something against BM. So whatever I say, no matter how practical and logical will not satisfy you.
#38 by dawsheng on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:19 am
” It is about being consistent.” – imraj78
How is consistent and having common education system for all makes absolute sense? Shouldn’t it be the best education for all, even that it can’t be consistent, the reason is very simple, some people are clever, some people are stupid, and some people think they are clever but actually they are stupid.
#39 by computation on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:21 am
imranj78
i further claim
the countries that are going to shape the
coming world will be china and india.
i further say the us will be around for a whole lot
more.
i further claim malaysia doesn’t have the wherewithal
to go it alone. it needs to have people
conversant in chinese, tamil and english
of its survival to trade and compete with the
above mentioned countries. i further claim
given the dismal way the country is being run
the country will soon face severe economic
troubles. tensions will rise in this country
if it is poor. claim that no amount
of BM will help the country stay united if it is poor
and unable to compete successfully. i say there will be chaos.
i further claim that to ease
the possible troubles everybody should start learning
tamil and chinese and english now. given that the majority
of people cannot learn more than two or three languages
equally well i say spend less time on learning BM
because ultimately learning it isn’t going to help the
country.
what do you say?
#40 by HJ Angus on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:21 am
I think it is a good move by the new PM even though there is a technical delay.
Government cannot operate with mere announcements.
The more correct procedure for him was to announce an immediate review of all ISA cases and a special committee including opposition MPs to change the ISA laws.
That special committee could have worked out some issues and perhaps within 2 to 3 weeks, he could have issued the order to release all ISA detainees except those that really are a danger to peace in the nation.
The changes to the ISA would be debated in the next P session as urgent business.
http://malaysiawatch4.blogspot.com/2009/04/malaysiakini-on-new-pms-interesting.html
#41 by a g on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:25 am
imranj78 talks quite a lot. But he may know what he is talking about, e.g. when he talks about, let me rephrase, “going to the same type of schools in order to ‘achieve a common identity’”, what “common identity”? What I know is, after I go to school with my classmates for 6-12 years, 40 of us have 40 different identities! And in accordance with today’s educational theories, churning out students of a “common identity” like what a factory is churning out products, is the greatest nightmare for a good educational system.
#42 by dawsheng on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:26 am
I promise you, things can only get worst under Najib.
#43 by computation on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:26 am
imranj78
why do you say chinese style schools are the best? care to elaborate? use chinese schools for everyone? lets be practical; you know as well as i do that is not going to happen. There is so much opposition even when we want to teach Maths & Science in English. So your proposal which is even wilder is too out of this world. Lets be practical shall we.
i have already stated my reasons why i said chinese
style schools are the best. i think you are unable to
remember things that i have said.
well lets be practical you want the best you work for the
best. thats being practical. i do no understand
what you mean by “lets be practical”.
i say that objections to somethings doens’t mean
a full stop to implementation. if it makes sense
then work around the objections. i have stated
my reasons for saying one school system. a chinese style
school system. what are your objections?
#44 by imranj78 on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:27 am
computation,
even during the British times, BM was the most prevalent language in the country. As a matter of fact, the use of the Jawi script for BM was even more prevalent then compared to now. The upper echelon of the adminstration I assume would have been in English due to the colonists. I don’t know about national cohesion back then, but I am sure the `divide and rule’ principle that the British used back then didn’t help at all. At least today everyone can speak, read/write and understand one common language i.e. BM.
TTDI_KL
Abolition of vernacular schools is not about asking people to give up their own identities and languages. The setup of our national school must give space for everyone to learn their language of choice besides BM and English, hence everyone can maintain their own identities and languages but all within the confines of a single education system that promotes unity and cohesion as well as a single Malaysian identity. Obviously I can understand that there are some reservations about the biasness of some of our national schools and this is something that obviously needs to be corrected.
#45 by computation on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:27 am
imranj78
you are absolutely wrong
i have nothing against BM.
#46 by computation on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:29 am
imranj78
ok well its been great talking to you.
i have nothing against BM or BM as the national language.
i hope all malaysians regardless of
race etc will come together as one
quickly. becasue its going to get really tough out there.
#47 by OrangRojak on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:31 am
Hey I think having separate education systems is a really, really bad sign. It should be a BM state school system, no doubt in my mind. Problem is, you’ve got an increasingly incompetent and authoritarian government guaranteeing that no person in their right mind would send a child to a BM state school.
A neutral language isn’t that good an idea, from an identity point of view. There are non-white areas of the UK, what should the schools teach in there? Klingon? It is my strong suspicion that if Malaysian parents had some faith in the Malaysian public sector’s ability to deliver superb basic education, there would be very few people trying to educate their child in a foreign language. It’s obviously counter-productive in the long run for all but a tiny minority of people who have the means to develop international careers. Awkwardly, that same minority has a high degree of overlap with the blogosphere, so gentlemen, start your flames! I guess it’s additionally more problematic because of a culture of patronage.
The sooner somebody credible starts a ’1 Malaysia’ programme, prohibits racial and religious profiling of citizens, liberates the media and does something actually effective about income disparity in Malaysia, the sooner we can all stop wasting our time on these ridiculous arguments, get some decent work done and then go and sing Negaraku at the pub with our rainbow coloured friends.
A common education system is a must for Malaysia, or any country for that matter. The sooner you can scrape up someone who isn’t an embarrassingly retarded racist to provide it, the better. Forcing Malaysians into the last-choice education system is not the answer. It wouldn’t surprise me if foreign-language schools did get better results than BM ones in Malaysia. If the statistic is reliable when all other variables are taken into account, that would be a national embarrassment.
The suggestion to switch the national system to a foreign language is ludicrous. That wouldn’t solve the problem, just create a new one. The answer is competent government. It’s going to be a long wait.
#48 by dawsheng on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:32 am
Do you all know why Najib release 13 ISA detainees?
#49 by dawsheng on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:34 am
Why 13? Why not 10, 14 or 16?
#50 by dawsheng on Sunday, 5 April 2009 - 12:40 am
If Najib can release 13 ISA detainees he can also detain another 13 with very good reasons too right?