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	<title>Comments on: Perak State Assembly under a rain-tree – history made today</title>
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		<title>By: voice out</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/03/03/perak-state-assembly-under-a-rain-tree-%e2%80%93-history-made-today/comment-page-3/#comment-163832</link>
		<dc:creator>voice out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malaysian is fond by the foreigners as we are multi racial and friendly. But after the PERAk fiasco, I really dont know what is &quot;MULTIRACIAL&quot; in the minds of foreigners..

They may think we are racist lot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malaysian is fond by the foreigners as we are multi racial and friendly. But after the PERAk fiasco, I really dont know what is &#8220;MULTIRACIAL&#8221; in the minds of foreigners..</p>
<p>They may think we are racist lot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: voice out</title>
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		<dc:creator>voice out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If PAKATAN finally take over the government of the day, make sure this episode should be recorded in our history book so that future generation will learn how BN behave and think rational by themnselves so that they dont fall into the same trap...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If PAKATAN finally take over the government of the day, make sure this episode should be recorded in our history book so that future generation will learn how BN behave and think rational by themnselves so that they dont fall into the same trap&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: i_love_malaysia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/03/03/perak-state-assembly-under-a-rain-tree-%e2%80%93-history-made-today/comment-page-2/#comment-163732</link>
		<dc:creator>i_love_malaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cintanegara,

Go by your arguments and logic, Obama could never become the President of USA!!! First, he is a black, Second, he is a minority, 3rd, he is not a muslim, 4th, he is too competent!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cintanegara,</p>
<p>Go by your arguments and logic, Obama could never become the President of USA!!! First, he is a black, Second, he is a minority, 3rd, he is not a muslim, 4th, he is too competent!!!</p>
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		<title>By: i_love_malaysia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/03/03/perak-state-assembly-under-a-rain-tree-%e2%80%93-history-made-today/comment-page-2/#comment-163729</link>
		<dc:creator>i_love_malaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Azalina got nothing to show for the past except wasting hundreds of millions ringgits of taxpayers money!!! She got no brain to talk about anything except spending money the wasteful ways!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Azalina got nothing to show for the past except wasting hundreds of millions ringgits of taxpayers money!!! She got no brain to talk about anything except spending money the wasteful ways!!!</p>
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		<title>By: i_love_malaysia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/03/03/perak-state-assembly-under-a-rain-tree-%e2%80%93-history-made-today/comment-page-2/#comment-163728</link>
		<dc:creator>i_love_malaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is time for every one in Malaysia to pay tax!!! There should be no exemption because of who you are!!! Be a role model to every one, pay tax!!! Malaysia is having deficit budget!!! Time for those in highest places to show the ways!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time for every one in Malaysia to pay tax!!! There should be no exemption because of who you are!!! Be a role model to every one, pay tax!!! Malaysia is having deficit budget!!! Time for those in highest places to show the ways!!!</p>
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		<title>By: schk</title>
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		<dc:creator>schk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you confident rakyat is supporting you, why dont you just dissolve the assembly...and go for re-election?

if the speaker have not right to call for emergency sitting, why you need to get PDRM to close the entrance?

if the secretary can over right the speaker, then LKS can sack PL also.....

if speaker is against sultan.... who vote to take away the privilege in few years back?

if nizar is traitor, then those BN supporter are samseng.....

if you are good will you worry rakyat not vote you???????

Kiasu is belong to Sing, not you ppl, please show us you got balls....let the silver ppl to make decision who they want........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you confident rakyat is supporting you, why dont you just dissolve the assembly&#8230;and go for re-election?</p>
<p>if the speaker have not right to call for emergency sitting, why you need to get PDRM to close the entrance?</p>
<p>if the secretary can over right the speaker, then LKS can sack PL also&#8230;..</p>
<p>if speaker is against sultan&#8230;. who vote to take away the privilege in few years back?</p>
<p>if nizar is traitor, then those BN supporter are samseng&#8230;..</p>
<p>if you are good will you worry rakyat not vote you???????</p>
<p>Kiasu is belong to Sing, not you ppl, please show us you got balls&#8230;.let the silver ppl to make decision who they want&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: chengho</title>
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		<dc:creator>chengho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AAB is no match to the maestro Anwar in the street fight
The FED and AG too weak with AAB at the helm probably AAB need Ambiga to asst him
The scene was like in Jakarta many years back with professional demo
on the street almost every day , in any case they did supplied with nasi bungkus...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AAB is no match to the maestro Anwar in the street fight<br />
The FED and AG too weak with AAB at the helm probably AAB need Ambiga to asst him<br />
The scene was like in Jakarta many years back with professional demo<br />
on the street almost every day , in any case they did supplied with nasi bungkus&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tonberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Skeatx Says:
Cintanegara,
are you C4 or Mat rempit in disguise?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
He&#039;s neither C4 nor mat rempit. He is just a celaka.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Skeatx Says:<br />
Cintanegara,<br />
are you C4 or Mat rempit in disguise?</p></blockquote>
<p>He&#8217;s neither C4 nor mat rempit. He is just a celaka.</p>
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		<title>By: 1to1</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/03/03/perak-state-assembly-under-a-rain-tree-%e2%80%93-history-made-today/comment-page-2/#comment-163640</link>
		<dc:creator>1to1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it important for a state or a country to be democratic?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/democracy/

&quot;Strategically, democracy has an advantage because it forces decision-makers to take into account the interests, rights and opinions of most people in society. Since democracy gives some political power to each, more people are taken into account than under aristocracy or monarchy.&quot;

&quot;Epistemologically, democracy is thought to be the best decision-making method on the grounds that it is generally more reliable in helping participants discover the right decisions. Since democracy brings a lot of people into the process of decision making, it can take advantage of many sources of information and critical assessment of laws and policies. Democratic decision-making tends to be more informed than other forms about the interests of citizens and the causal mechanisms necessary to advance those interests. Furthermore, the broad based discussion typical of democracy enhances the critical assessment of the different moral ideas that guide decision-makers.&quot;

&quot;Some argue in addition that the above effects on character tend to enhance the quality of legislation as well. A society of autonomous, rational, and moral decision-makers is more likely to produce good legislation than a society ruled by a self-centered person or small group of persons who rule over slavish and unreflective subjects.&quot;

As individuals in a state or country, what are the benefits of democracy to us?

&quot;Some argue that the basic principles of democracy are founded in the idea that each individual has a right to liberty. Democracy, it is said, extends the idea that each ought to be master of his or her life to the domain of collective decision making. First, each person&#039;s life is deeply affected by the larger social, legal and cultural environment in which he or she lives. Second, only when each person has an equal voice and vote in the process of collective decision-making will each have control over this larger environment.&quot;

&quot;Democracy embodies a kind of peaceful and fair compromise among these conflicting claims to rule. Each compromises equally on what he claims as long as the others do, resulting in each having an equal say over decision making. In effect, democratic decision making respects each person&#039;s point of view on matters of common concern by giving each an equal say about what to do in cases of disagreement.&quot; 

&quot;The facts described above, and the principle of equality, suggest that each person ought to have an equal say in determining the common legal, economic and political institutions they live under. In the light of these interests each citizen would have good reason to think that his or her interests were not being given the same weight as others if he or she had less decision making power than the others. And so each person who is deprived of a right to an equal say would have reason to believe that she is being treated publicly as an inferior.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it important for a state or a country to be democratic?</p>
<p><a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/democracy/" rel="nofollow">http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/democracy/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Strategically, democracy has an advantage because it forces decision-makers to take into account the interests, rights and opinions of most people in society. Since democracy gives some political power to each, more people are taken into account than under aristocracy or monarchy.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Epistemologically, democracy is thought to be the best decision-making method on the grounds that it is generally more reliable in helping participants discover the right decisions. Since democracy brings a lot of people into the process of decision making, it can take advantage of many sources of information and critical assessment of laws and policies. Democratic decision-making tends to be more informed than other forms about the interests of citizens and the causal mechanisms necessary to advance those interests. Furthermore, the broad based discussion typical of democracy enhances the critical assessment of the different moral ideas that guide decision-makers.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Some argue in addition that the above effects on character tend to enhance the quality of legislation as well. A society of autonomous, rational, and moral decision-makers is more likely to produce good legislation than a society ruled by a self-centered person or small group of persons who rule over slavish and unreflective subjects.&#8221;</p>
<p>As individuals in a state or country, what are the benefits of democracy to us?</p>
<p>&#8220;Some argue that the basic principles of democracy are founded in the idea that each individual has a right to liberty. Democracy, it is said, extends the idea that each ought to be master of his or her life to the domain of collective decision making. First, each person&#8217;s life is deeply affected by the larger social, legal and cultural environment in which he or she lives. Second, only when each person has an equal voice and vote in the process of collective decision-making will each have control over this larger environment.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Democracy embodies a kind of peaceful and fair compromise among these conflicting claims to rule. Each compromises equally on what he claims as long as the others do, resulting in each having an equal say over decision making. In effect, democratic decision making respects each person&#8217;s point of view on matters of common concern by giving each an equal say about what to do in cases of disagreement.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;The facts described above, and the principle of equality, suggest that each person ought to have an equal say in determining the common legal, economic and political institutions they live under. In the light of these interests each citizen would have good reason to think that his or her interests were not being given the same weight as others if he or she had less decision making power than the others. And so each person who is deprived of a right to an equal say would have reason to believe that she is being treated publicly as an inferior.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/03/03/perak-state-assembly-under-a-rain-tree-%e2%80%93-history-made-today/comment-page-2/#comment-163639</link>
		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malaysia is a nation famous for nice speeches. PERIOD.
But when &quot;push&quot; comes to &quot;SHOVE&quot;, very few will walk their talk.
This one episode in Perak has cancelled out all the nice speeches of Raja Nazrin over the past 10 years.
It may even affect the long term fortune of the royal house as we know it.
I hope for the sake of Malaysia that wise deeds will follow the wise words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malaysia is a nation famous for nice speeches. PERIOD.<br />
But when &#8220;push&#8221; comes to &#8220;SHOVE&#8221;, very few will walk their talk.<br />
This one episode in Perak has cancelled out all the nice speeches of Raja Nazrin over the past 10 years.<br />
It may even affect the long term fortune of the royal house as we know it.<br />
I hope for the sake of Malaysia that wise deeds will follow the wise words.</p>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/03/03/perak-state-assembly-under-a-rain-tree-%e2%80%93-history-made-today/comment-page-2/#comment-163635</link>
		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After all that has been said and done, the royal household of Perak cannot just sit quietly by as if nothing has happened which they should they be interested in, or all that is happening does not interest them at all.

We are sure they know the happenings on the ground. But it is not necessary to wait till there be an &quot;earthquake&quot; or &quot;tsunami&quot; before making clear their stand and call for required actions.

As Raja Nazrin has oft said and repeated in fora and conferences that, to quote him,

The courts should not be used for political influence or perceived by the people as “a place for theatrical performance with pre-written scripts,” (the star feb 6 2009)

“Practice according to the highest code of ethics to strengthen the democratic system in line with check and balance mechanisms for the three pillars — the legislative, executive and judiciary,” he said. (the star feb 6 2009)

“A fair legal system is the pre-condition to ensure peace in the country.

“It is an effective instrument to distance a citizen from seeking other alternatives and lead to a state of anarchy.

“Rule of law implemented in a transparent manner is an important component to boost the confidence of outsiders, especially foreign investors,’’ he said. ( the star 6 feb 2009)

To ensure the Rulers’ integrity is not questioned and the throne remains respected, Raja Nazrin said, the Rulers shall always be intelligent and wise, master knowledge, understand the surroundings and changes, and possess a group of advisers comprising experts and people knowledgeable in the relevant fields.

“This will enable the Rulers to fulfil their roles with integrity and make the smart, accurate, just and fair decisions,” he said. (the star nov 7 2008)

“The Rulers reside at a special position, have the opportunity to give smart views to influence and determine the direction of the nation positively and constructively through counsel, encouragement, persuasion, reminder and admonition,” he said. (the star nov 7 2008)


“No segment of society must be disrespected, discredited and disenfranchised. No group should feel that their efforts and contributions go unrecognised and unwanted.

“We must abandon the ‘silo’ mentality where we only look up at what is happening and not beside us at what others are experiencing,” Raja Nazrin said at the 21st LawAsia Conference. (the star 30 oct 2008)

Very well said and articulated.

It is indeed time to allow the preachings to be realised and practised. The people are suffering and crying for justice and real actions so that they could exercise their rights and liberties and carry on with their ordinary lives without unnecessary distractions.
And that the government should and could carry out their certain duties and responsibilities accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all that has been said and done, the royal household of Perak cannot just sit quietly by as if nothing has happened which they should they be interested in, or all that is happening does not interest them at all.</p>
<p>We are sure they know the happenings on the ground. But it is not necessary to wait till there be an &#8220;earthquake&#8221; or &#8220;tsunami&#8221; before making clear their stand and call for required actions.</p>
<p>As Raja Nazrin has oft said and repeated in fora and conferences that, to quote him,</p>
<p>The courts should not be used for political influence or perceived by the people as “a place for theatrical performance with pre-written scripts,” (the star feb 6 2009)</p>
<p>“Practice according to the highest code of ethics to strengthen the democratic system in line with check and balance mechanisms for the three pillars — the legislative, executive and judiciary,” he said. (the star feb 6 2009)</p>
<p>“A fair legal system is the pre-condition to ensure peace in the country.</p>
<p>“It is an effective instrument to distance a citizen from seeking other alternatives and lead to a state of anarchy.</p>
<p>“Rule of law implemented in a transparent manner is an important component to boost the confidence of outsiders, especially foreign investors,’’ he said. ( the star 6 feb 2009)</p>
<p>To ensure the Rulers’ integrity is not questioned and the throne remains respected, Raja Nazrin said, the Rulers shall always be intelligent and wise, master knowledge, understand the surroundings and changes, and possess a group of advisers comprising experts and people knowledgeable in the relevant fields.</p>
<p>“This will enable the Rulers to fulfil their roles with integrity and make the smart, accurate, just and fair decisions,” he said. (the star nov 7 2008)</p>
<p>“The Rulers reside at a special position, have the opportunity to give smart views to influence and determine the direction of the nation positively and constructively through counsel, encouragement, persuasion, reminder and admonition,” he said. (the star nov 7 2008)</p>
<p>“No segment of society must be disrespected, discredited and disenfranchised. No group should feel that their efforts and contributions go unrecognised and unwanted.</p>
<p>“We must abandon the ‘silo’ mentality where we only look up at what is happening and not beside us at what others are experiencing,” Raja Nazrin said at the 21st LawAsia Conference. (the star 30 oct 2008)</p>
<p>Very well said and articulated.</p>
<p>It is indeed time to allow the preachings to be realised and practised. The people are suffering and crying for justice and real actions so that they could exercise their rights and liberties and carry on with their ordinary lives without unnecessary distractions.<br />
And that the government should and could carry out their certain duties and responsibilities accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: voice out</title>
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		<dc:creator>voice out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make sure the &quot;TREE&quot; is given the recognition and the TREE deserve to be recorded as one of the Visit Malaysia place of tourism...

Malaysia Boleh!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make sure the &#8220;TREE&#8221; is given the recognition and the TREE deserve to be recorded as one of the Visit Malaysia place of tourism&#8230;</p>
<p>Malaysia Boleh!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/03/03/perak-state-assembly-under-a-rain-tree-%e2%80%93-history-made-today/comment-page-2/#comment-163625</link>
		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considerations and characteristics which are of utmost importance when the assembly was convened are the spirit and substance of the sitting:

The spirit and substance of convening the assembly should be seen in the context of its:

&gt;&gt; Legality . 

There are many more legal experts who argued that the assembly sitting is legal and valid than those who who argued against it; and that it was held in accordance with the laws as provided for in the state and federal constitutions. 

The conclusions coming out of the courts of law are just extensions and reflections of the interpretation of the laws. It is the minds of the laws in our legal institutions and legal bodies which reflect of the sum total of the nation&#039;s legal expertise and direction that matter most in the final analysis.

If we extend those minds to the courts of laws, surely we can see that what happened in Perak today will be considered as legal and valid. Those who do not agree are just those with self-serving interest or are directed to do so, against their better judgments.

&gt;&gt; Democracy and people&#039;s affairs.

The state assemblymen are exercising the democratic rights of the electorate by convening the assembly, no matter where the premise is. They are attempting to resolve contentious issues which affect people&#039;s livelihood and their day to day affairs which are of prime urgency and importance. Failure to do so would result is grave repercussions and reflect the inaction and ineffectiveness of the elected people&#039;s representatives and the government.

To obstruct the assembly sitting would be an even graver crime and should be frowned upon. What else to say about those who forcibly attain the power of administration through dubious and illegal means and without the express approval of those whom the serve. Such anomaly should be rejected and disapproved and purged.

&gt;&gt; Mandate of the people.

Surely the most basic way to achieve a valid and truly democratically elected government is through the ballot box. No other methods or instruments could be considered more acceptable or robust than through the people&#039;s mandate.

Hence the assembly&#039;s vote under that tropical tree to return the mandate to the people is most appropriate and sensible.

To those who agree to disagree, they must consider the welfare of the people first and last and you should not fail to see the correctness of today&#039;s state assembly and hence the necessity to agree to agree. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considerations and characteristics which are of utmost importance when the assembly was convened are the spirit and substance of the sitting:</p>
<p>The spirit and substance of convening the assembly should be seen in the context of its:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Legality . </p>
<p>There are many more legal experts who argued that the assembly sitting is legal and valid than those who who argued against it; and that it was held in accordance with the laws as provided for in the state and federal constitutions. </p>
<p>The conclusions coming out of the courts of law are just extensions and reflections of the interpretation of the laws. It is the minds of the laws in our legal institutions and legal bodies which reflect of the sum total of the nation&#8217;s legal expertise and direction that matter most in the final analysis.</p>
<p>If we extend those minds to the courts of laws, surely we can see that what happened in Perak today will be considered as legal and valid. Those who do not agree are just those with self-serving interest or are directed to do so, against their better judgments.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Democracy and people&#8217;s affairs.</p>
<p>The state assemblymen are exercising the democratic rights of the electorate by convening the assembly, no matter where the premise is. They are attempting to resolve contentious issues which affect people&#8217;s livelihood and their day to day affairs which are of prime urgency and importance. Failure to do so would result is grave repercussions and reflect the inaction and ineffectiveness of the elected people&#8217;s representatives and the government.</p>
<p>To obstruct the assembly sitting would be an even graver crime and should be frowned upon. What else to say about those who forcibly attain the power of administration through dubious and illegal means and without the express approval of those whom the serve. Such anomaly should be rejected and disapproved and purged.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Mandate of the people.</p>
<p>Surely the most basic way to achieve a valid and truly democratically elected government is through the ballot box. No other methods or instruments could be considered more acceptable or robust than through the people&#8217;s mandate.</p>
<p>Hence the assembly&#8217;s vote under that tropical tree to return the mandate to the people is most appropriate and sensible.</p>
<p>To those who agree to disagree, they must consider the welfare of the people first and last and you should not fail to see the correctness of today&#8217;s state assembly and hence the necessity to agree to agree. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The show-down in Ipoh has some purpose even though the outcome may not be so satisfactory.
It shows all loyal Malaysians that it will require a major effort by all to overcome the forces that seek to deny our freedom to elect public officials who can serve the people.
It shows the power of the Executive to determine the outcomes of events controlled by the police and even the Courts as can be witnessed by today&#039;s decisions.
My decision would be to cease all further confrontational actions as the last thing we need to to have Pakatan leaders being charged with grave crimes like treason etc.
You have fought the good fight - now is the time to withdraw and save your energy and skills to fight the next important battle - defeating the BN in the next general elections. 
See the inaction after the findings of the Lingam tapes and you can infer entire systems have been compromised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The show-down in Ipoh has some purpose even though the outcome may not be so satisfactory.<br />
It shows all loyal Malaysians that it will require a major effort by all to overcome the forces that seek to deny our freedom to elect public officials who can serve the people.<br />
It shows the power of the Executive to determine the outcomes of events controlled by the police and even the Courts as can be witnessed by today&#8217;s decisions.<br />
My decision would be to cease all further confrontational actions as the last thing we need to to have Pakatan leaders being charged with grave crimes like treason etc.<br />
You have fought the good fight &#8211; now is the time to withdraw and save your energy and skills to fight the next important battle &#8211; defeating the BN in the next general elections.<br />
See the inaction after the findings of the Lingam tapes and you can infer entire systems have been compromised.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rain tree?? Why not a coconut tree? Anything wrong with a coconut tree?</description>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
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		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After all that had been said and done, the final say ought to go the rakyat.

It is by the rakyat, of the rakyat, for the rakyat.

Without the rakyat, there will be no country, no kings, no nothing.

The rakyat are the eventual kings.

And the eventual kings will always have the final say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all that had been said and done, the final say ought to go the rakyat.</p>
<p>It is by the rakyat, of the rakyat, for the rakyat.</p>
<p>Without the rakyat, there will be no country, no kings, no nothing.</p>
<p>The rakyat are the eventual kings.</p>
<p>And the eventual kings will always have the final say.</p>
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		<title>By: ch</title>
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		<dc:creator>ch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear All,

History may have been made in Perak today under that rain tree. But one should also ask if that history itself been recognized by the court of law. UMNO-Bn has effectively used section 44 of the special relief act to rule that the meeting held under the rain tree null and void. The other issue which we need to clarify is whether or not the Sultan of Perak will grant Nizar an audience to hear the latest development in his state. Am of the opinion that the Sultan will not grant himan audience as he had already relieved him of his duties as MB. In other words, the Sultan is of the opinion that the meeting held under the yum-yum tree is therefiore illegal although Pakatan may say that it is in all manner, legal. So, I am of the opinion that at the end of the day it is whether you have the audients to hear what you are trying to tell all and sundry. In the case of Pakatan, they may have the audients but the real \audience\ will not be listening to them.

Is a long shot, but a good try, but then again, you just missed the hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>History may have been made in Perak today under that rain tree. But one should also ask if that history itself been recognized by the court of law. UMNO-Bn has effectively used section 44 of the special relief act to rule that the meeting held under the rain tree null and void. The other issue which we need to clarify is whether or not the Sultan of Perak will grant Nizar an audience to hear the latest development in his state. Am of the opinion that the Sultan will not grant himan audience as he had already relieved him of his duties as MB. In other words, the Sultan is of the opinion that the meeting held under the yum-yum tree is therefiore illegal although Pakatan may say that it is in all manner, legal. So, I am of the opinion that at the end of the day it is whether you have the audients to hear what you are trying to tell all and sundry. In the case of Pakatan, they may have the audients but the real \audience\ will not be listening to them.</p>
<p>Is a long shot, but a good try, but then again, you just missed the hole.</p>
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		<title>By: cemerlang</title>
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		<dc:creator>cemerlang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A courageous effort ! There is nothing wrong with meeting under the rain tree. After doing a bit of research, the history of democracy started even before the Greeks did it. Primitive democracy was practised in tribes. They had a village council and a headman. Everyone had a say. Think. If during those ancient times when those people were able to understand what speaking up was all about, how come we in this present time and age cannot understand  ? With information technology, aren&#039;t we supposed to know more ? How come some politicians talk like the people do not know as much ? Meeting under the rain tree is more transparent than meeting behind closed doors. Radio television Malaysia can only air selectively as ordered. Under the rain tree, anyone passing by can stop and listen. This is not just transparent but people friendly. It is not uncivilized as commented by some big shot lady UMNO politician. She should know that grabbing power or stealing power or erasing the wishes of the people is barbaric and more uncivilized. If religion fails to teach them about morality, ethics and principles, then they can understand easily what it means to waste money. Suruhanjaya pilihan Malaysia is just wasting money away conducting election after election. Again I say. There are many unfortunate people in Malaysia. There are many suffering people in the world. Use that money for the people. Democracy is insulted in every way. Malaysia has to decide which road to take. Good lawyers should rise up to this occasion. They should lead the people to change the system of government in Malaysia. Knowledge is power. Therefore traditions have to make way for knowledge. Not just any knowledge. But solid provened facts based on scientific minds and not on emotions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A courageous effort ! There is nothing wrong with meeting under the rain tree. After doing a bit of research, the history of democracy started even before the Greeks did it. Primitive democracy was practised in tribes. They had a village council and a headman. Everyone had a say. Think. If during those ancient times when those people were able to understand what speaking up was all about, how come we in this present time and age cannot understand  ? With information technology, aren&#8217;t we supposed to know more ? How come some politicians talk like the people do not know as much ? Meeting under the rain tree is more transparent than meeting behind closed doors. Radio television Malaysia can only air selectively as ordered. Under the rain tree, anyone passing by can stop and listen. This is not just transparent but people friendly. It is not uncivilized as commented by some big shot lady UMNO politician. She should know that grabbing power or stealing power or erasing the wishes of the people is barbaric and more uncivilized. If religion fails to teach them about morality, ethics and principles, then they can understand easily what it means to waste money. Suruhanjaya pilihan Malaysia is just wasting money away conducting election after election. Again I say. There are many unfortunate people in Malaysia. There are many suffering people in the world. Use that money for the people. Democracy is insulted in every way. Malaysia has to decide which road to take. Good lawyers should rise up to this occasion. They should lead the people to change the system of government in Malaysia. Knowledge is power. Therefore traditions have to make way for knowledge. Not just any knowledge. But solid provened facts based on scientific minds and not on emotions.</p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onlooker Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penal Code Section 124 stipulates, &quot;Whoever, with the intention of inducing or compelling or attempting to induce or compel a member of Parliament or of any legislative assembly or of any state executive council to exercise or refrain from exercising in any manner the lawful powers of such member, assaults or wrongfully restrains, or attempts wrongfully to restrain, or overawes by means of criminal force, or the show of criminal force, or attempts so to overawe, such member shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to seven years, and shall also be liable to a fine.&quot;

The State Secretary of Perak, the OCPD of Ipoh and others who obstructed the sate assemblymen from convene of the emergency State Legislative Assembly on 03.03.2009 shall face the music due to their irresponsible actions taken against the 28 State Assemblymen.  Noone shall be put above the law, including of any government officers who committed a criminal offence during the time of their performing the official duty. 

&quot;The Rule of Law shall always prevail!&quot;  Such motto which is voiced out frequently by Sultan Azlan Shah and Raja Nazrin shall become the general guideline for the Law Enforcement Units such as the Police and the A-G&#039;s Chamber in order to see into the matter that the Police Investigation be done on the State Secretary of Perak and the OCPD of Ipoh due to the fact that Police Reports have been lodged by PR State Assemblymen accusing these two government officers for obstructing the Sate Assemblymen from holding a convention of the emergency assembly at the State Legislative Assembly.  

The Rule of Law must not only be fair, it must also appear to all to be fair all the time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penal Code Section 124 stipulates, &#8220;Whoever, with the intention of inducing or compelling or attempting to induce or compel a member of Parliament or of any legislative assembly or of any state executive council to exercise or refrain from exercising in any manner the lawful powers of such member, assaults or wrongfully restrains, or attempts wrongfully to restrain, or overawes by means of criminal force, or the show of criminal force, or attempts so to overawe, such member shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to seven years, and shall also be liable to a fine.&#8221;</p>
<p>The State Secretary of Perak, the OCPD of Ipoh and others who obstructed the sate assemblymen from convene of the emergency State Legislative Assembly on 03.03.2009 shall face the music due to their irresponsible actions taken against the 28 State Assemblymen.  Noone shall be put above the law, including of any government officers who committed a criminal offence during the time of their performing the official duty. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Rule of Law shall always prevail!&#8221;  Such motto which is voiced out frequently by Sultan Azlan Shah and Raja Nazrin shall become the general guideline for the Law Enforcement Units such as the Police and the A-G&#8217;s Chamber in order to see into the matter that the Police Investigation be done on the State Secretary of Perak and the OCPD of Ipoh due to the fact that Police Reports have been lodged by PR State Assemblymen accusing these two government officers for obstructing the Sate Assemblymen from holding a convention of the emergency assembly at the State Legislative Assembly.  </p>
<p>The Rule of Law must not only be fair, it must also appear to all to be fair all the time!</p>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
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		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Azalina Othman says Perak Assembly &quot;emergency session&quot; uncivilised.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/19564-perak-assemblys-emergency-session-uncivilised-says-azalina

Well, what a compliment!

Uncivilised should be those all housed up illegally in the air-conditioned offices scheming and grabbing power using channels all cooked up in their favour. They are the ones taking the law unto themselves and interpreting and breaching them according to their whims and fancies. And deem it fit that the people accept their treacherous and crafty orchestration of events to favour their taste and greed!!

What actually took place in the courts, state secretariat building, and what-have-you are reflections of laws of the jungle, participated and acted out by desperadoes. Anyway, what can you expect desperate people do, other than desperate things?
Uncivilised ad infinitum. 

For azalina, the juvenile delinquent, what she should read from this episode in Perak is that it takes courageous and brave people to champion and uphold righteousness, rule of law, conscience of the citizenry and exercising and practising whatever that is provided for under the sacred constitution of the land.

No matter where that right is exercised is immaterial. It is the substance that counts, not the form. Even MOTHER NATURE witnessed the sitting of the assembly. Bless them all!

The assemblymen who attended the assembly sitting under that tree are the real champions of the people of Perak. They demonstrated to the rakyat that they are there to protect and serve no matter what obstacles or inconveniences were put up by those who grabbed and robbed their lawful and inalienble rights.

//Azalina said there had never been a time in the country’s history when a state assembly sitting was convened under a tree.//

Well, there had also not been a time in our country&#039;s history that a state building had been cordoned off by illegally by government machineries and apparatus to disallow a legitimate assembly from taking place. Not even in the world&#039;s history, I suppose. What can azalina the delinquent say about this? Such kind of act could only be carried out and orchestrated by the desperate and not so civilised and somewhat barbaric people! NATURE condemns such illicit articulations.

And, according to themalaysianinsider,

//In Melaka, Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam also said that the emergency session was “an insult to the democratic system and a total disregard to the federal and state constitutions.”//

Wondering if he understands what insult means? And who is insulting who?

On the contrary, he is insulting the intelligence of the rakyat! The rakyat can differentiate the right from the wrong. He seems to have forgotten what 308 means when the rakyat demonstrated the actual meanings of democracy and the interpretation of the federal and state constitutions.

//“The people of Perak should not panic with the opposition’s strategy. Datuk Zambry is the legitimate Perak menteri besar and he and his six executive councillors can continue to discharge their duties,” he added.//

Telling Perakians who are in the thick of actions not to panic?? In the first place, when did any Perakians say they are panicky? They are gallant and steadfast people fighting for their rights. Even with the onslaught of the power grabbers to devise and craft all sorts of obstacles and walls to deter the spirit of the crusaders, the Perakians.

Who is he to say that //&quot;Datuk Zambry is the legitimate Perak menteri besar and he and his six executive councillors can continue to discharge their duties,” //?
 
That is for the Perakians to say and decide. He and those of his likes seem to know what&#039;s best for others. That may apply to BN-UMNO and their blind and greedy followers, but not to truly liberated minds.

Further to that, in Cheras, KL, 

//Cheras Umno division chief Senator Datuk Wira Syed Ali AlHabshee said the action had marred the institution of the state legislative assembly.

“In presiding over the emergency session, the speaker ignored the role of the Sultan of Perak who is the pillar to the dignity of the state legislative assembly,” he said in a statement.//

This umno man did not also mention that the rakyat are the past, present and future pillars of the country. Such deliberate omission shows that he does not respect the electorates, their rights and contributions to the nation. What an insult to the people. People have their dignities too. Perhaps syed alhabsheee didn&#039;t have any himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Azalina Othman says Perak Assembly &#8220;emergency session&#8221; uncivilised.</p>
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<p>Well, what a compliment!</p>
<p>Uncivilised should be those all housed up illegally in the air-conditioned offices scheming and grabbing power using channels all cooked up in their favour. They are the ones taking the law unto themselves and interpreting and breaching them according to their whims and fancies. And deem it fit that the people accept their treacherous and crafty orchestration of events to favour their taste and greed!!</p>
<p>What actually took place in the courts, state secretariat building, and what-have-you are reflections of laws of the jungle, participated and acted out by desperadoes. Anyway, what can you expect desperate people do, other than desperate things?<br />
Uncivilised ad infinitum. </p>
<p>For azalina, the juvenile delinquent, what she should read from this episode in Perak is that it takes courageous and brave people to champion and uphold righteousness, rule of law, conscience of the citizenry and exercising and practising whatever that is provided for under the sacred constitution of the land.</p>
<p>No matter where that right is exercised is immaterial. It is the substance that counts, not the form. Even MOTHER NATURE witnessed the sitting of the assembly. Bless them all!</p>
<p>The assemblymen who attended the assembly sitting under that tree are the real champions of the people of Perak. They demonstrated to the rakyat that they are there to protect and serve no matter what obstacles or inconveniences were put up by those who grabbed and robbed their lawful and inalienble rights.</p>
<p>//Azalina said there had never been a time in the country’s history when a state assembly sitting was convened under a tree.//</p>
<p>Well, there had also not been a time in our country&#8217;s history that a state building had been cordoned off by illegally by government machineries and apparatus to disallow a legitimate assembly from taking place. Not even in the world&#8217;s history, I suppose. What can azalina the delinquent say about this? Such kind of act could only be carried out and orchestrated by the desperate and not so civilised and somewhat barbaric people! NATURE condemns such illicit articulations.</p>
<p>And, according to themalaysianinsider,</p>
<p>//In Melaka, Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam also said that the emergency session was “an insult to the democratic system and a total disregard to the federal and state constitutions.”//</p>
<p>Wondering if he understands what insult means? And who is insulting who?</p>
<p>On the contrary, he is insulting the intelligence of the rakyat! The rakyat can differentiate the right from the wrong. He seems to have forgotten what 308 means when the rakyat demonstrated the actual meanings of democracy and the interpretation of the federal and state constitutions.</p>
<p>//“The people of Perak should not panic with the opposition’s strategy. Datuk Zambry is the legitimate Perak menteri besar and he and his six executive councillors can continue to discharge their duties,” he added.//</p>
<p>Telling Perakians who are in the thick of actions not to panic?? In the first place, when did any Perakians say they are panicky? They are gallant and steadfast people fighting for their rights. Even with the onslaught of the power grabbers to devise and craft all sorts of obstacles and walls to deter the spirit of the crusaders, the Perakians.</p>
<p>Who is he to say that //&#8221;Datuk Zambry is the legitimate Perak menteri besar and he and his six executive councillors can continue to discharge their duties,” //?</p>
<p>That is for the Perakians to say and decide. He and those of his likes seem to know what&#8217;s best for others. That may apply to BN-UMNO and their blind and greedy followers, but not to truly liberated minds.</p>
<p>Further to that, in Cheras, KL, </p>
<p>//Cheras Umno division chief Senator Datuk Wira Syed Ali AlHabshee said the action had marred the institution of the state legislative assembly.</p>
<p>“In presiding over the emergency session, the speaker ignored the role of the Sultan of Perak who is the pillar to the dignity of the state legislative assembly,” he said in a statement.//</p>
<p>This umno man did not also mention that the rakyat are the past, present and future pillars of the country. Such deliberate omission shows that he does not respect the electorates, their rights and contributions to the nation. What an insult to the people. People have their dignities too. Perhaps syed alhabsheee didn&#8217;t have any himself.</p>
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