A video uploaded on youtube.
Irrefutable evidence showing UMNO Youth goons obstructing and menacing wheelchair-bound DAP National Chairman and MP for Bukit Gelugor Karpal Singh in the precincts of Parliament last Thursday (26th February 2009) from carrying out his parliamentary duties.
#1 by Dominique on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 10:07 am
I regulary drive past Mr. Karpal House in Penang and everytime I pass by, I say a short prayer that God would protect him and his family from those celaka UMNO youth
#2 by abdul on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 10:16 am
From what I see from the video clip just now and what KJ said was contradicting..as a Malay I was little bit of angry when people said Karpal singh is the one started the commutation but it was wrong..KJ didnt watch this video I guess..Pemuda umno is a real celaka as they were the one started everything..In this democracy country how could you do that to MP’s for whatever they said in Pariment. Even umno members attacked other races in the Parliament and no opposition supporters do this kind of thing outside parliament…Can we go and stop the Prime ministers or any other minister who always use nasty words on other people outside the parliament house? Definately not and ofcoz the police /fru will use water canon and tear gas as will clasify that as illegal assembly…why didnt police do that in this case…because all celaka…all Pro bn and Umno….whatever we say is wrong..whatever they say is right..what mentality is this…I think longkang mentality..I as a muslim and malays feel very sad and ashamed with my malay Pemuda umno…God sees everything..they will get punishment one day…believe me..alfatihah..
#3 by ekans on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 10:25 am
When they claimed to be defending Malay royalty, they took to the streets/public areas to demonstrate.
When they want to defend their own party, they were willing to go a few steps further by barging into the Parliament grounds to block and harass their political opponent MP who is wheelchair bound.
It appears that they place the action of defending their own party above the action of defending Malay royalty…
#4 by taiking on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 11:16 am
Tuan Rempit McBullys working in full force and vigour.
#5 by Jason Ng on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 12:09 pm
sakai memang sakai. more embarassing is that the police allowed that to heppen in front of us. royal police? the police cause shame to the royal family. can we sue the police for causing shame to the royal family? or better change their name to umno police.
#6 by grace on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 12:11 pm
Dear IGP,
If you cannot arrest one of those mobsters, then the police must be blind!
Don’t go round to say that the recording is not authentic.
The very act of confrinting Karpal who is helpless is already a crime. Then those gangsters coyuld be seen roughing up one other state assemblyman.
Are those idiots assembly legal.
In case your lawyers are moronic, even though am no lawyer, I can think of filing a few charges against those crooks:
1. illegal assembly
2. trespassing the compund of parliament
3. disturbiing the peace
4. criminal intimidation and assault.
5. preventing Karpal from discharging his duty as an MP
6. Seditious speeches
Yes, those with criminasls knowlegde could think of more.
Yes, IGP we are waiting for you to arrest them. Don’t wait till kingdom come to act!!!
#7 by grace on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 12:20 pm
Don’t equate UMNO to Malays.
Malays are far higher than what UMNO stands for.
Malays bersopan and have high respect for old and handicapped.
Yes, i know Malays are very respectful people and go to any kampong you will find what I mean. They are very sincere and truthful, trustworthy and friendly. Yes, Malays are not greedy and are God-fearing.
For Malays, being rude to old man is already kurang ajar. But to come out in such big number to threaten an old and wheelchair bpund man, I believe the Malays would regard it is “mother of all kurang ajar”
#8 by democrate on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 1:23 pm
Uncivilised
Cultureless
frogs under the well
uneducated
brain born at their back
These are the NEP products brought up by BN uMNO ,GOOD FOR NOTHING !
#9 by limaho on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 1:28 pm
I’ve just watched the clip. The way those people tried to block Karpal from performing his parliamentary duties is disgusting. Malaysia is a democracy and those “gangsters” should be ashamed of themselves. What has the PM got to say? Surely, he has to make a strong statement that this sort of incidents cannot be tolerated in a democracy. Will action be taken against those people?
#10 by taiking on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 1:43 pm
Have you guys seen a Mat Rempit in suit before and one who can actually utter some sentences in english. Presenting: Tuan Rempit McBully. Those bullies embarassed the rest of us and that inlucdes our malay countrymen and women who are non-umnoputras and the sultans as well.
#11 by taiking on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 1:47 pm
Linggam is famous for uttering: “Correct Correct. Correct. Correct.”
The idiot (who is he?) is now famous for uttering: “I want to hear. I want to hear. I want to hear.”
#12 by despin on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 1:53 pm
Security procedures and processes around Parliament house need to be reviewed immediately to prevent any MPs from being physically attacked or injured by fanatics. If nothing is done, the probability of something bad happening (due to political tensions) is very high.
#13 by zorgen on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 2:06 pm
Well said VSP. Fully resonates with VSP on the statements “Instead of contributing positively to society, they are a burden. They grab, lepak, ampu-bodek, become lawless and don’t want to struggle to earn a honest living. They think everyone should feed them forever.”
Btw, the incident at the same time showed who are the real educated persons, politicians and gentlemen. I admire Kapal Singh and those people that standed up and helped him in this incident. They are the real heroes. I have to admit that I might not be able to stand up strong against these thugs if I were there.
#14 by StevePCH on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 2:10 pm
grace, you’re right. UMNO is definately not Malay. Malay is much better than UMNO.
What Rafidah said when rejecting the “unity” government is such a BIG joke. BN is a “unity” government ? I do not think she even know what unity government is
#15 by MyPeoplePower on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 2:24 pm
These UMNO Youth are the scrap of the earth!
#16 by Loh on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 2:38 pm
A civilized approach for UMNO youth was to issue public notification for Karpal Singh to repeat what he had said, if UMNO youth intended to be civil and to take the matter to the proper place, the court. But UMNO youth challenged Karpal to repeat whatever said for them to hear. Had Karpal obliged, they would be expected to use brute force, rather than taking legal action.
The way UMNO youth members acted shows that they intended to intimidate the public by showing that they were able to get away from the law for doing what they did.
The UMNO youth chief shows that he is not fit to be even a kampong leader when he considered a wrong response to a wrong statement is justified. His bosses in UMNO have been very quiet. That could be because the ruffians that went to parliament might have been given the green light to do so. It was the intention to tell the public that the country is a police state, and the police is under total control of UMNO. The people then should not expect the UMNO to follow the law, if they did not want to. The regime change is just a harbinger of other unpleasant events come April.
#17 by boh-liao on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 2:51 pm
Is Umno Youth the big fat father of mat rempit?
To those who objected, Umnoputras will most likely respond: If you don’t like our style, then leave Malaysia.
#18 by fr33dom on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 2:52 pm
This is just a sneak preview of what UMNO is capable of doing if BN is wipe out in the 13th GE. The UMNO Youth, which is made up of samsengs, barbarians and Mat Rempits will create havoc and the government will declare emergency, just like 69.
UMNO Youth, please do not proclaim that you are championing the Malays. The Malays are more cultured and civilized than you goons. You are an embarrassment to everyone.
Sadly the police force are impotent when it comes to dealing with these imbeciles, but for some reason, are extremely efficient when dealing with the opposition. We are heading towards a failed state.
#19 by AhPek on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 3:37 pm
What a group of scumbags we see here descending on to the precinct of Parliment trying to cow Karpal Singth, displaying such ‘great bravery’ hiding under the safety of the group? Real shame on UMNO!!
#20 by Dominique on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 3:43 pm
Well said Grace
#21 by cintanegara on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 4:16 pm
Malaysians, especially ‘a’ particular ethnic group represented by DAP must be grateful to live in a country where everyone is treated equally and fairly without discrimination. The special rights, privileges and supremacy of the majority should not be questioned as racial harmony is an integral part in any multi racial society. The practice of power sharing among the major ethnic groups has served Malaysia well. This formula has succeeded in uniting Malaysia from various different religions and ethnic groups.
It is common in this country to see high-ranking military (i.e Brig General, Colonel, etc) officers from the minority ethnic…Furthermore it is not something unusual to witness fighter jet pilot of the minorities flying the state of the art jet…..The Government NEVER question their loyalty and faithfulness to the country….
Unlike a TINY country where a particular minority ethnic, for the past 44 years, being systematically marginalized and discriminated by the Government… despite having a composition of 14% of the country population, they are DENIED to hold ‘Senior’ positions in the Government and in the military as well….Nonetheless, their loyalty to the TINY country has been unfairly questioned…..Flying a fighter for them jet is just a dream as the Government would not allow…Surprisingly, DAP admires that TINY country very much…..So far, we never come across any negative comment made by DAP except praises and all the good things….
Last but not least, how lucky we are living in this country where such things never happened….
#22 by m.malaysia on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 4:27 pm
Pemuda UMNO is just a group of gangsters practising hooligan politics! They are not only hooligans, but also racists. Unfortunately the Youth Chief and also the education minister, Kerismuddin condone this kind of uncivilised act. By doing so, I am not sure whether he is still fit to be an education minister anymore.
We Malaysians should worry of our future if this country is led by a group of hooligans!
#23 by OrangRojak on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 5:02 pm
Malaysians, especially ‘a’ particular ethnic group … must be grateful to live in a country where everyone is treated equally and fairly without discrimination
I’m sure there are plenty of ‘new Canadians’ of any heritage who would agree with you, cintanegara.
If the rest of the world practices colour-blind immigration based on merit, and Malaysia continues to practice immigration based on race, won’t that inevitably increase the proportion of stupid racists in the population? I think it’s possible to have sufficient.
#24 by Loh on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 5:12 pm
///The special rights, privileges and supremacy of the majority should not be questioned as racial harmony is an integral part in any multi racial society. ///
That is a basic and primary cause of the breakdown of a society. If it was not because people can get away from natural justice, they will know what shame is. It was because of the desire to help those who were weak, however Tun Dr Ismail considered them to be, that the leaders of the three major communities in the country decided prior to Malaya independence that special assistance was provided to the community which was said to have the largest number of such needy people, and that the assistance was to be euphemistically known as special privilege. It was a euphemism used to preserve the pride of those who needed assistance. It should be reminded that as the late Tun Ismail put it, the Malays themselves would be willingly giving up the special assistances, the crutch as others call it, when they no longer require them, out of pride. Now, when people argue that special privilege is there because of birth right, then it says that Tun Ismail did not anticipate that some Malays would not give up the special assistance, out or pride, because they have no sense of shame.
#25 by ekpoptani on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 5:20 pm
Enough said. We should work towards the next GE. That should be the goal. Peoples eyes and minds have been awaken by this explosion of news and the rights of the People shold never be questioned as written in the constitution. Every right minded citizen should excercise their right and make their VOTES count. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
#26 by wesuffer on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 5:23 pm
50 years ago. BN using racial issue to cheated rakyat for 50 years.
today they still using old tactic to cheat rakyat. but 50 years after, all malaysian are smart and educated enough
#27 by voice on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 5:25 pm
During my last visit to the parliament, I thought that the security was first class, as we are required to walk pass the metal detector gate and clear up our pockets, a different story in this scene, why they can do anything freely in the parliament compound? they are not MPs, not even the parliamentary staff, and the security guards were not in sight, is this our true parliament? otherwise it is clear that double or multiple standards exists even in the parliament!
And the cops are saying they cant act in the parliament, remember last year they went into the parliament and make arrests on the opposition guests there?
UMNO youth is playing racial card again, Karpal Singh said that UMNO youth are celaka, not the malays, please be smart and think, do not let them get over you and undermine your intelligence, in fact their intelligence is lower than the normal level.
#28 by oedipus on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 5:28 pm
cintanegara should stick to the topic of discussion, taking the discussion off its course into a racial slanted one is very cunning and irresponsible.
the discussion is about a group of ppl breaking into parliament and roughing up a senior politician and getting away with it. if DAPSY were to do it, i think the whole DAP will be locked up within the same day!!!
cintanegara may be a racist, but thank goodness we are not. dont fall for his/her trick.
#29 by voice on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 5:57 pm
Races and etnics are not the same.
I’m a Malaysian with chinese etnic.
PR must stay united, I will not join DAP but either PKR or PAS.
More young Malaysians should care of the country and politics, we are rallying for a Malaysia with Malaysians, we are colour-blind.
#30 by Godfather on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 6:21 pm
Don’t bother about cinta-sendiri. He’s trying to deflect attention to the little red dot down south. Relevance has no place in his little mind. Same as his masters.
#31 by tjwork on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 6:22 pm
cintanegara,
My assumption is that you are too young to evaluate this country.
What we have here is a system form over substance. The minorities are given just enough for them to survive & shut up, while the rich & in power exploit the rest.
We live in a country that it seems legal to harass, assault, cheat, rape & even kill our sons & daughters & there’s not a dam thing you can do about it.
We live in a country where temples are demolished.
We live in a country that the young bright & deserving students are denied what should be rightfully theirs.
We live in a country that the education system doctrines us in believing that the minorities are slaves & we should be thankful to 1 race that saved them & allowed them to live.
We live in a country that when a party lost its elections, it seeks riots & subsequently the creation of another city.
We live in a country that youngsters no longer respect their elders.
We live in a country that asks the minorities to leave the country if they don’t like it.
We must be very lucky aren’t we?
Well the list goes on, But i Love this country & being a 7th generation minority, Im not going to let goons like you spoil the fun. There’s another blog to be racist, not this.
Yes, we must stay united, democracy is about to crumble & If it does, our sons and daughters will pay for it.
#32 by ekans on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 6:32 pm
Some one had mentioned about this tiny country (again) where he/she claims that a particular minority ethnic group, whom for the past 44 years, has been systematically marginalized and discriminated by its government. If that’s the case, how is it that the people from this particular minority had not migrated in droves to the larger country next door, where their ethnic group makes up the majority, to escape this alleged ethnic persecution?
This same person had also mentioned people from that particular minority ethnic group are not allowed to hold ‘senior’ positions in the Government and in the military as their loyalty to this tiny country has been unfairly questioned, and flying a fighter jet for them is just a dream as their government would not allow them do so.
Well, wasn’t the first head state of this tiny country from that particular minority group?
Is the loyalty of the citizens from that particular minority group in that tiny country being questioned so much until their government had banned them totally from serving in the government, military, law enforcement, and even disallowing them from becoming civilian pilots?
The fact is no country is perfect, but through out the world, nobody wants his/her country to be ruled by a government that is run by corrupt politicians who think that they are above the law.
#33 by isahbiazhar on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 7:15 pm
Future Malaysian leaders should not come from UMNO youth.They are not fit to lead.They should be sent to the Felda palm oil plantation to work to take over from the Indonesians.Our educational system grooming the Malays without competition will produce such people who show no respect to the other races.In parliament anything can be said and if it had to be corrected it will be done there.If they feel the police will support them, they are mistaken.The police are also made up of the citizens of the country and they can show their support as they want.My sympathy to Karpal;he is indeed a leader to be emulated.Will the police take action against the Umno youth ?They should have sprayed chemical but they did not do.The police have turned to be a bully.It looks like they pick on the weak Indians.Perhaps India will come to their rescue!
#34 by vincent on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 8:08 pm
PEMALU PEMALU SAMSENG INI MEMANG BERKELAKUAN CELAKA.
#35 by ALtPJK on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 8:13 pm
“… You can still be charged under the Sedition Act 1948 if remarks are seditious …” – undergrad2 at 09: 34.15
Point taken about it not being absolute but if I blurt out to fellow associates ‘Ce La Ka engkau!!’ either tersely or in jest, is that seditious?
#36 by limkamput on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 8:19 pm
Godfather, I don’t understand why you keep talking to a pondan (who think he is an admiral from China) and this cintadiri fellow.
Looking at the development in Perak, I think we are no longer a country based on the constitution and law. All along the constitution was working only because there was a monopoly of power by one single party. As we see now, the constitution does not provide for peaceful and gentlemanly transfer of power. Can we venture to think there may be coup should opposition gains substantive power through the ballot boxes?
#37 by Ramesh Laxman on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 8:39 pm
Inconsistent application of the law has emboldened Third World Government all over the world. It would be a sad day if we too come down to that.
#38 by Godfather on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 9:23 pm
Could there be a coup should the Opposition gain substantive power through the ballot box ? There’ll be the usual bribes to promote party hopping. If that fails, there will be the usual legal challenges on everything that a new government tries to do. If that fails, then there is the possibility of a military coup. So far, the “insurances” put in place by the den of thieves – the AG, the IGP, the CJ, the MACC Commissioner – have not included our military leaders but under Najis, this void could be filled.
It will finally boil down to whether the wishes of the rakyat could be overruled by those who seek all means, fair and foul, to cling on to power. I think not.
#39 by lextcs on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 9:53 pm
who wouldnt get popular ‘championing’ the rakyat? be they right or wrong….question…the voice of the rakyat perhaps is only 1-5% more….so where will all these politics leads us?…perhaps full blown bloodshed…thanks to all YBs…uncle kit including. Stop all these shit…
#40 by lbl on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 10:44 pm
One has to remember that one day one of the UMNO youths might be our PM. If this is how they discuss matters?
Looks like the UMNO youths are exempted from Security in Parliament.
It really frightens me to see how the UMNO youths behave and get away with it.
I hope the UMNO leaders know that the non-Malays will vote for the Opposition in any election, after this episode.
#41 by taiking on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 10:52 pm
From start to end its some over-fed stupid umnoputras screaming and later squeaking away. If I were in karpal’s shoes, I would be confused by all the screaming and squeaking. I may just be too dumbstruck to respond. Karpal actually did quite well.
Umnoputra: 0 Karpal: 1
Umno: 0 DAP: 1
Umno youth: 0 DAP: 1
BN: 0 Pakatan: 1
Overall Kerajaan umno: 0, Opposition: 4
You see the stupid illogical insensible screaming and squeaking and bullying affected umnoputras, umno, umno youth and bn adversely.
#42 by voice on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 10:53 pm
In the matter of fact, we don’t have the right to choose our prime minister.
#43 by cintanegara on Monday, 2 March 2009 - 11:12 pm
I really sympathize with DAP’s core supporters here who think their party is stronger than ever before. As a matter of fact, they are just wasting their precious time dreaming of something which would never happen, unfortunately (PR took over the Federal Government).
Time to wake up and face the reality…..Kindly note that barking dogs never bite…. A dog without teeth barks more viciously….
#44 by pky103 on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 1:08 am
- I am appalled by UMNO Youth’s barbaric behaviour towards YB Karpal.
- These monkeys should be SUED for assault and intimidation!
#45 by kerishamuddinitis on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 1:10 am
cintanegara…
1. ‘everyone is treated equally and fairly without discrimination…’?
FACT – discrimination is institutionalised here in Malaysia. Even Nik Aziz says ‘bumiputra’ should not be used to differentiate from ‘non-bumiputra’ in official government forms for assistance. But then again, Nik Aziz is not Melayu UMNO who need such distinction in order to discriminate and deprive.
2.’racial harmony is an integral part in any multi racial society’? – harmonious like uttering ‘ini bumi Melayu..,’ ‘…bath this keris in Chinese blood…,’ ‘…pendatang…,’ ‘…ketuanan Melayu…’ and the incessant reminder of ‘…special privileges…’???
3. ‘power sharing among the major ethnic groups has served Malaysia well’ – except for Melayu UMNO, everyone else knows that MIC and MCA can’t even pee without UMNO’s permission. MCA is known as the ‘running dog’ party. OTK’s talk about ‘we live and own the land together…’ and ‘…because we are not squatters who came to share in the gains of the country…’ is sandiwara for the MCA imbeciles who cannot see the truth of their impotence.
4. ‘power’ – BN and UMNO is all about ‘power.’ PK is committed to ‘serving the RAKYAT.’ Power is all about usurping a duly elected government, buying MPs, depriving the RAKYAT of the right to choose the government they want, stripping the sovereign rulers of their immunity, dividing the races in order to rule the country, politicising each and every issue based racial and sectarian sentiments, unleashing goons to violate the sanctity of the Parliament, using underhanded tactics to smear reputations, unleashing the ISA on victims who are incarcerated for years without trial or any shred of evidence to support the action, enriching the elite few at the expense of the RAKYAT, bailing out companies with our taxpayer money, holding the nation to ransom with the threat of violence at every occasion of dispute…
5. ‘minorities flying the state of the art jet’ ? – that is a job to feed one’s family. Giving up one’s life in defense of the country is LOYALTY to the nation and LAND of OUR BIRTH. And when that happens, if it does happen, are the lives of these ‘minorities’ any less in worth than the life of a bumiputra who is not called to give up HIS life? Strip our skins away and our blood is red, our flesh white REGARDLESS of race or religion. What makes one life worth more such that there’s the right to discriminate against these so-called ‘minorities.’ The smallest ‘minorities’ in this country are the REAL original people of the land. The rest are immigrants at different phases of time, including Malays. And to divide the nation further, the original people of this land are labelled pribumi such that bumiputras are a ‘special category’ unto themselves.
6. ‘minorities…’ only a racist and a bigot will insist on using such exclusive terms instead of the inclusive nation-building identities such as ‘Malaysians’ and a ‘Malaysian Malaysia’ but then again UMNO strives on divisive politics. MCA and MIC are impotent to stop this even as OTK lies today, ‘…we cannot allow irresponsible politicians to continue playing racial and religious cards..’ – he lies simply because MCA’s reason for existence IS RACISM, the championing of Chinese interests and all things non-Malay and non-Indian, non-’any and all other races.’
7. Making reference to Singapore, China or Taiwan in your attempt to fuel racist sentiments does not work but instead weakens your arguement. Singaporean Malays are not coming in droves over to Malaysia, are they? Unlike UMNO Malays, Singaporean Malays have matured and appeal to nationalism, not racism. They are Singaporeans first, Malays second. They laugh at Malays here for the crutches the government insists on giving on every ocassion possible and through every institution possible. When they succeed, they know they have beaten the odds on an equal basis.
It’s time for you to wake up and know that in the globalised society we live in, the crutches are only real here in Malaysia. Fortunately for non-Malays, we have never had the pleasures of depending on such crutches.
May Allah bestow upon us the wisdom, will and courage to become one nation, one RAKYAT under the leadership of Pakatan Rakyat
#46 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 5:02 am
It’s on YOUTUBE.
Now the world knows the sh**tiness of UMNO Youth.
Now Oxford knows that they are capable of producing Ox-brained graduates like the SIL. Oxford shud know why they need to introduce basic courses on ethics, human rights and democracy for all their programs of study or risk giving the uni a bad name. UMNO youth thinks Oxford produces demi-gods, and now it’s proven, oxen too!
#47 by trublumsian on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 7:02 am
UMNO: this video clip needs to be sent overseas to be authenticated.
Polis: we should take forever.
Polis: in any case, we cant trace the clip to the owner.
UMNO: no owner? so.. it cant be verified?
Polis: betul. no case.
UMNO: i like it.
#48 by kerishamuddinitis on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 7:27 am
NFA – No Further Action
But it doesn’t really matter. As with so many cases past and present, where the interests of BN, UMNO and their lapdog cronies are threatened, it is always NFA. Correct, correct, correct.
Come GE13, we will change this to NFE for BN – NO FURTHER EMPOWERMENT.
#49 by kcb on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 8:07 am
Cintanegara have a very simple mind.
But yes, cintanegara is very right:
“that barking dogs never bite…. A dog without teeth barks more viciously….”
I heard so much barking in the clip above.
That reminds me of a herd of toothless dogs which barked at Dr. Chua Soi Lek and when Dr. Chua just ignored them, they walk away.
#50 by kcb on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 8:08 am
Cintanegara “has” s very simple mind.