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		<title>By: Taxidriver</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/17/elizabeth-wong-and-our-hope-for-a-new-politics-in-malaysia/comment-page-5/#comment-161899</link>
		<dc:creator>Taxidriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;............rakyat mahu tahu, lagi pun rakyat perlu tahu.&quot; - Kassim Amat
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Apakah encik Kassim orang Islam? Adakah encik Kassim bersembahyang? Dan kalau jawapan encik Kassim adalah &#039;YA&#039;, maka janganlah encik Kassim &#039; kaypo &#039; nak tahu hal peribadi orang lain. Kenapa encik Kassim sanggup pijak seseorang yang telah jatuh tepi jalan. Itu bukannya amalan orang Islam; pun bukan ajaran Agama Islam. Nampaknya encik Kassim kena sembahyang lebih kuat lagi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;rakyat mahu tahu, lagi pun rakyat perlu tahu.&#8221; &#8211; Kassim Amat<br />
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Apakah encik Kassim orang Islam? Adakah encik Kassim bersembahyang? Dan kalau jawapan encik Kassim adalah &#8216;YA&#8217;, maka janganlah encik Kassim &#8216; kaypo &#8216; nak tahu hal peribadi orang lain. Kenapa encik Kassim sanggup pijak seseorang yang telah jatuh tepi jalan. Itu bukannya amalan orang Islam; pun bukan ajaran Agama Islam. Nampaknya encik Kassim kena sembahyang lebih kuat lagi.</p>
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		<title>By: Taxidriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxidriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to Eli Wong is purely a personal matter. But it is very unfortunate she got into this mess. On the question of whether she should resign as state assemblyman and state councillor, I believe only she herself knows best. I think the public and her supporters should let her make her own decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to Eli Wong is purely a personal matter. But it is very unfortunate she got into this mess. On the question of whether she should resign as state assemblyman and state councillor, I believe only she herself knows best. I think the public and her supporters should let her make her own decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasim Amat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasim Amat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenapa Tian Chua tiba-tiba naik angin apabila ditanya apakah beliau adalah salah seorang teman lelaki Elizabeth Wong? Apabila ditanya oleh pemberita Agendadaily, beliau lantas berkata, “If you ask me again, I smash your head”. Tak salah wartwan Agendadaily menyoal beliau kerana rakyat mahu tahu, lagi pun rakyat perlu tahu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenapa Tian Chua tiba-tiba naik angin apabila ditanya apakah beliau adalah salah seorang teman lelaki Elizabeth Wong? Apabila ditanya oleh pemberita Agendadaily, beliau lantas berkata, “If you ask me again, I smash your head”. Tak salah wartwan Agendadaily menyoal beliau kerana rakyat mahu tahu, lagi pun rakyat perlu tahu.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops  - &quot;with a steady focus on what – to me – is true and real.&quot; in second para above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops  &#8211; &#8220;with a steady focus on what – to me – is true and real.&#8221; in second para above.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TheWrathOfGrapes, 

Thanks for your comments Today at 08: 56.33 (2 hours ago)
Behind the mutual mudslingings between Crapfather and me – which looks “personal” and an obvious irritation to the rest – is something actually not really “personal” but a wide gulf in world view and ideological approach including to use in this blog. It is this part that cannot be bridged and will always be a source of mutual hostility.

Although my tilt is in favour of change by PR – on the premise of every change from an existing moribund system always represents a notch better than existing status quo in the slow march to a better society – yet my partisanship is always on the side on what, in my opinion, is good and best interest of Malaysians and country in general, without a steady focus on what – to me – is true and real.

Hence I am not in this sense partisan for or against BN or PR for its own sake and knowing my profound distrust of politicians in general I reserve the right to criticise/praise whichever camp – BN or PR – they belong to if they’re inconsistent or unprincipled and not acting what to me (right or wrong) is in interest of best interest of Malaysians (including our children) and country in general – or otherwise the opposite…..

Godfather’s focus is diametrically opposed. He thinks that our peoples and nations’ first and immediate interest is to rid the Great Oppressor (BN) and for that nothing must be done by way of serious criticism of Pakatan Rakyat or  its defacto head, Anwar or any other leaders because such a thing will sow confusion, undermine unity amongst PR’s supporters, destabilise PR and slow its advancement of PR towards the victory line – for the first time so near after 308. Anyone who does that – as I do – is therefore traitorous and better hounded out of this blog since it does no good to the Common Cause.

This is a position I profoundly disagree. 

I think if PR or its leaders cannot withstand constructive criticism and pointing failure to their faults even at this juncture – and will be destabilised by legitimate criticisms based on the truth -  then I think it would make no difference  whether now or later it is destabilised, as it will be, they not grounded on principles that perenially enduring.

Secondly I also think even from perspective of a focussed supporter such as Godfather, there must be a recognition that criticisms of a valid nature againt PR &amp; its leaders are a good thing because they are a mirror to their weaknesses which if they could correct and rectify, which would then serve their cause in the longer run…..  Now if the criticisms are invalid they may be argued against and disputed civilly but if they are valid then they should stand and not be silenced by hostility of supporters who view them as destructive/traitorious to the Opposition Cause.

In the first place, I take LKS Blog as serving the Malaysian Cause and not just the PR’s Cause, so I yield the ground to no one who wants to suppress a democratic free flow/exchange of debate of ideas (including criticisms of PR or its leaders) based on service of what is true rather than what is partisan for one side, and I will debate whether civilly or uncivilly, trade insult for insult, reason for reason to defend this ground!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheWrathOfGrapes, </p>
<p>Thanks for your comments Today at 08: 56.33 (2 hours ago)<br />
Behind the mutual mudslingings between Crapfather and me – which looks “personal” and an obvious irritation to the rest – is something actually not really “personal” but a wide gulf in world view and ideological approach including to use in this blog. It is this part that cannot be bridged and will always be a source of mutual hostility.</p>
<p>Although my tilt is in favour of change by PR – on the premise of every change from an existing moribund system always represents a notch better than existing status quo in the slow march to a better society – yet my partisanship is always on the side on what, in my opinion, is good and best interest of Malaysians and country in general, without a steady focus on what – to me – is true and real.</p>
<p>Hence I am not in this sense partisan for or against BN or PR for its own sake and knowing my profound distrust of politicians in general I reserve the right to criticise/praise whichever camp – BN or PR – they belong to if they’re inconsistent or unprincipled and not acting what to me (right or wrong) is in interest of best interest of Malaysians (including our children) and country in general – or otherwise the opposite…..</p>
<p>Godfather’s focus is diametrically opposed. He thinks that our peoples and nations’ first and immediate interest is to rid the Great Oppressor (BN) and for that nothing must be done by way of serious criticism of Pakatan Rakyat or  its defacto head, Anwar or any other leaders because such a thing will sow confusion, undermine unity amongst PR’s supporters, destabilise PR and slow its advancement of PR towards the victory line – for the first time so near after 308. Anyone who does that – as I do – is therefore traitorous and better hounded out of this blog since it does no good to the Common Cause.</p>
<p>This is a position I profoundly disagree. </p>
<p>I think if PR or its leaders cannot withstand constructive criticism and pointing failure to their faults even at this juncture – and will be destabilised by legitimate criticisms based on the truth &#8211;  then I think it would make no difference  whether now or later it is destabilised, as it will be, they not grounded on principles that perenially enduring.</p>
<p>Secondly I also think even from perspective of a focussed supporter such as Godfather, there must be a recognition that criticisms of a valid nature againt PR &amp; its leaders are a good thing because they are a mirror to their weaknesses which if they could correct and rectify, which would then serve their cause in the longer run…..  Now if the criticisms are invalid they may be argued against and disputed civilly but if they are valid then they should stand and not be silenced by hostility of supporters who view them as destructive/traitorious to the Opposition Cause.</p>
<p>In the first place, I take LKS Blog as serving the Malaysian Cause and not just the PR’s Cause, so I yield the ground to no one who wants to suppress a democratic free flow/exchange of debate of ideas (including criticisms of PR or its leaders) based on service of what is true rather than what is partisan for one side, and I will debate whether civilly or uncivilly, trade insult for insult, reason for reason to defend this ground!</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
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		<dc:creator>zak_hammaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wish those who blindly support one party or another really read my posts properly, instead of assuming and putting words in my mouth. I specifically used the words &quot;...rise in ugly politics...&quot;, it does not whitewas the ugly politics that have existed in Malaysia prior to March 08. It was a mere expression of the RISE in ugly politics, neither did I specifically mention who is more responsible for it. It can&#039;t be denied however, that the tactics used by Pakatan and it&#039;s incompetent figure heads have indeed backfired; not only on their hold on Perak, but possibly on other states under their control. We also see an internal rift by the statements of Karpal. There can be no denying that Pakatan are on the slide while the BN are gaining momentum once again.

Furthermore Old.observer says: 

&gt;&gt; DSAI invited Pak Lah to discuss transition of power

DSAI is not worth the paper his name is written on. His asking or discussing anything is futile because he is a liar and a fraud. He is also of an unstable mental state. There was NO evidence whatsoever that Pakatan had the nos to topple the federal government and it was a public stunt that backfired on Anwar.

As for Perak, once the party hopping of the 3 individuals came to light and established as fact, there was no need to suspect them as they made their intention clear and in public!

The two situations are diametrically different, with all due respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wish those who blindly support one party or another really read my posts properly, instead of assuming and putting words in my mouth. I specifically used the words &#8220;&#8230;rise in ugly politics&#8230;&#8221;, it does not whitewas the ugly politics that have existed in Malaysia prior to March 08. It was a mere expression of the RISE in ugly politics, neither did I specifically mention who is more responsible for it. It can&#8217;t be denied however, that the tactics used by Pakatan and it&#8217;s incompetent figure heads have indeed backfired; not only on their hold on Perak, but possibly on other states under their control. We also see an internal rift by the statements of Karpal. There can be no denying that Pakatan are on the slide while the BN are gaining momentum once again.</p>
<p>Furthermore Old.observer says: </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; DSAI invited Pak Lah to discuss transition of power</p>
<p>DSAI is not worth the paper his name is written on. His asking or discussing anything is futile because he is a liar and a fraud. He is also of an unstable mental state. There was NO evidence whatsoever that Pakatan had the nos to topple the federal government and it was a public stunt that backfired on Anwar.</p>
<p>As for Perak, once the party hopping of the 3 individuals came to light and established as fact, there was no need to suspect them as they made their intention clear and in public!</p>
<p>The two situations are diametrically different, with all due respect.</p>
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		<title>By: TheWrathOfGrapes</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/17/elizabeth-wong-and-our-hope-for-a-new-politics-in-malaysia/comment-page-5/#comment-161568</link>
		<dc:creator>TheWrathOfGrapes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/// Godfather Says:
“He won’t photograph his sleeping woman unless he is legally sure that on the one hand there are no liabilities on his side, and on the other hand he gets compliments for his handiwork”

Jeffrey Says:
A perceptive comment from personal experience of someone who, whilst having assets on one hand, gets a rebuke for his handiwork on the other! ///

Don &amp; Jeff,

I waded into the DMZ &amp; no-man&#039;s-land in order to inject a bit of humour and light-heartedness to diffuse the tension and mounting animosity.

Got to HAND it to you guys. One is accusing the other of being a three-HANDED economist (on the one HAND this, and on the other HAND that, and on the third HAND...).

It takes two HANDS to clap (note not crap, as in crapshooting), so if we can HANDLE this hand-wringing issue more politely and civilly, I am sure those observers who are sidelined who lend you guys a HAND to stop man-HANDLING each other.

Come on guys, stretch out your HAND of friendship. In this time of looming recession (and dare I say it, depression), it is depressing to see you otherwise mature guys MISHANDLING each other, instead of extending a helping HAND.

With HANDS over backs, I say &quot;shake HANDS and peace be with you&quot;, otherwise I will throw up my HANDS in dismay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/// Godfather Says:<br />
“He won’t photograph his sleeping woman unless he is legally sure that on the one hand there are no liabilities on his side, and on the other hand he gets compliments for his handiwork”</p>
<p>Jeffrey Says:<br />
A perceptive comment from personal experience of someone who, whilst having assets on one hand, gets a rebuke for his handiwork on the other! ///</p>
<p>Don &amp; Jeff,</p>
<p>I waded into the DMZ &amp; no-man&#8217;s-land in order to inject a bit of humour and light-heartedness to diffuse the tension and mounting animosity.</p>
<p>Got to HAND it to you guys. One is accusing the other of being a three-HANDED economist (on the one HAND this, and on the other HAND that, and on the third HAND&#8230;).</p>
<p>It takes two HANDS to clap (note not crap, as in crapshooting), so if we can HANDLE this hand-wringing issue more politely and civilly, I am sure those observers who are sidelined who lend you guys a HAND to stop man-HANDLING each other.</p>
<p>Come on guys, stretch out your HAND of friendship. In this time of looming recession (and dare I say it, depression), it is depressing to see you otherwise mature guys MISHANDLING each other, instead of extending a helping HAND.</p>
<p>With HANDS over backs, I say &#8220;shake HANDS and peace be with you&#8221;, otherwise I will throw up my HANDS in dismay.</p>
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		<title>By: gitf701</title>
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		<dc:creator>gitf701</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cintanegara says.......

Nothing much to say except……serve you right MUMMY……you deserve the punishment that you received.......because you gave birth to scums like me....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cintanegara says&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Nothing much to say except……serve you right MUMMY……you deserve the punishment that you received&#8230;&#8230;.because you gave birth to scums like me&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.thenutgraph.com/poll-sultans-decision-contrary-to-peoples-will

Apparently, according to the Merdeka Poll -- &quot;74% of respondents felt that the state assembly should be dissolved to pave the way for elections&quot;

74%!

That&#039;s nearly three-quarters who wants State Assembly to be dissolved!

What Najib did in Perak is totally DISGUSTING, and clearly does NOT reflect the will of the People!

If disagree, put it to the test.

Dissolve the Assembly and call for fresh elections in Perak!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/poll-sultans-decision-contrary-to-peoples-will" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenutgraph.com/poll-sultans-decision-contrary-to-peoples-will</a></p>
<p>Apparently, according to the Merdeka Poll &#8212; &#8220;74% of respondents felt that the state assembly should be dissolved to pave the way for elections&#8221;</p>
<p>74%!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s nearly three-quarters who wants State Assembly to be dissolved!</p>
<p>What Najib did in Perak is totally DISGUSTING, and clearly does NOT reflect the will of the People!</p>
<p>If disagree, put it to the test.</p>
<p>Dissolve the Assembly and call for fresh elections in Perak!</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zak_hammaad,

Don&#039;t even compare what Perak BN did with DSAI.

DSAI invited Pak Lah to discuss transition of power - Pak Lah declined.  DSAI then invited Pak Lah to test it in a Vote of No Confidence - Pak Lah chickened out.

Whereas, in this case, did Perak BN invite PR to discuss transition of power?  No.

Did Perak BN invite PR to test it in a Vote of No Confidence?  No.

Instead, what Perak BN did and what Najib did is totally DISGUSTING!

My own 2 sen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zak_hammaad,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t even compare what Perak BN did with DSAI.</p>
<p>DSAI invited Pak Lah to discuss transition of power &#8211; Pak Lah declined.  DSAI then invited Pak Lah to test it in a Vote of No Confidence &#8211; Pak Lah chickened out.</p>
<p>Whereas, in this case, did Perak BN invite PR to discuss transition of power?  No.</p>
<p>Did Perak BN invite PR to test it in a Vote of No Confidence?  No.</p>
<p>Instead, what Perak BN did and what Najib did is totally DISGUSTING!</p>
<p>My own 2 sen.</p>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
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		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;New Politics&quot; is just only a rallying cry for justice, integrity, accountability, impartiality, transparency, and a sensible and clean government.

Don&#039;t read too much into the slogan, though. Because action always speaks louder than words do.

The focus should be trained at getting rid of unwanted historical, social, economic, and political baggages which had been encumbering the nation for far too long and in the process holding the nation back in terms of lost opportunities, opportunity costs and the lost years of possible development and progress.

Much had been said about the affirmative action policy hatched thirty years ago and its consequences.  Something drastic needs to be done on this to right what&#039;s wrong.

And there are a myriad of contentious issues which Malaysians thought had long past their useful lives and needed to be revisited.

Well, all those possible changes and restructuring, in a nutshell, would constitute the &quot;New Politics&quot; that Malaysians are crying for.

The will needed to do it would be nothing short of herculean and only the honest and impartial, peppered with compassion and magnanimous, would qualify.

Good luck Malaysia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;New Politics&#8221; is just only a rallying cry for justice, integrity, accountability, impartiality, transparency, and a sensible and clean government.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t read too much into the slogan, though. Because action always speaks louder than words do.</p>
<p>The focus should be trained at getting rid of unwanted historical, social, economic, and political baggages which had been encumbering the nation for far too long and in the process holding the nation back in terms of lost opportunities, opportunity costs and the lost years of possible development and progress.</p>
<p>Much had been said about the affirmative action policy hatched thirty years ago and its consequences.  Something drastic needs to be done on this to right what&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>And there are a myriad of contentious issues which Malaysians thought had long past their useful lives and needed to be revisited.</p>
<p>Well, all those possible changes and restructuring, in a nutshell, would constitute the &#8220;New Politics&#8221; that Malaysians are crying for.</p>
<p>The will needed to do it would be nothing short of herculean and only the honest and impartial, peppered with compassion and magnanimous, would qualify.</p>
<p>Good luck Malaysia!</p>
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		<title>By: katdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>katdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the rise in ugly politics since March 08 elections&quot; - zak_hammaad 

Zak_hamaad, where have you been the past 20 years? Not in Malaysia i expect.

Politics in Malaysia has been dirt ridden ugly even before Mar 8.
Here&#039;s some examples of dirty politics being played prior to Mar 8.
- CSL sex videos being released to destroy him politically.
- A prominent political threat is sent to jail via trumped up charges of sodomy and a sham trial.
- Takeover of Sabah by BN after PBS won the elections via katak&#039;s.
- A prominent politician is photographed wearing a traditional tribal costume with a cross in order to discredit him among the muslim voters.

Hello! All these has been happening even before Mar 8. Where have you been all these time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the rise in ugly politics since March 08 elections&#8221; &#8211; zak_hammaad </p>
<p>Zak_hamaad, where have you been the past 20 years? Not in Malaysia i expect.</p>
<p>Politics in Malaysia has been dirt ridden ugly even before Mar 8.<br />
Here&#8217;s some examples of dirty politics being played prior to Mar 8.<br />
- CSL sex videos being released to destroy him politically.<br />
- A prominent political threat is sent to jail via trumped up charges of sodomy and a sham trial.<br />
- Takeover of Sabah by BN after PBS won the elections via katak&#8217;s.<br />
- A prominent politician is photographed wearing a traditional tribal costume with a cross in order to discredit him among the muslim voters.</p>
<p>Hello! All these has been happening even before Mar 8. Where have you been all these time?</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;New Politics in Malaysia&quot; ? 

I think Pakatan set the agenda and pace for the new politics in Malaysia... And it does not look healthy. In fact Farish should be impartial enough to look at the rise in ugly politics since March 08 elections. Pakatan set the precedent and now it must bear the consequences and reverse its amoral politicking rather than rising to the slogan of &quot;if you can&#039;t beat &#039;em, join them attitude.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;New Politics in Malaysia&#8221; ? </p>
<p>I think Pakatan set the agenda and pace for the new politics in Malaysia&#8230; And it does not look healthy. In fact Farish should be impartial enough to look at the rise in ugly politics since March 08 elections. Pakatan set the precedent and now it must bear the consequences and reverse its amoral politicking rather than rising to the slogan of &#8220;if you can&#8217;t beat &#8216;em, join them attitude.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pulau_sibu Says: 

Today at 06: 50.51 (10 hours ago) 
No one here have speculated that the man who took the photos lost the phone. That could be his argument, if caught. Then he will also be a victim.
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pulau_sibu,

Extremely unlikely.  Not only must he lost his phone, it also requires the finder to be a politically opportunistic, knowledgeable, kay-poh-chee to 1. pick up the phone (most people would just ignore it), 2. browse the address book (most people would not necessarily know how to do this with another model handphone), 3. bypass the password (ass-u-me-ing the phone is protected with password), 4. browse all the picture and video files stored in the phone (most ordinary people respect the privacy of others), 5. Made the connection that the girl is Eli (if you&#039;re from out of state, you probably wouldn&#039;t know what Eli looks like, or knows it&#039;s Eli for sure), 6. Go to Malay Mail to give the picture / video (again, I believe the vast majority wouldn&#039;t do this), 7. And how did Toyol knew about this so fast, and is so quick to condemn Eli?

In short, the balance of probability to me indicates that this is definitely malicious, and definitely not accidental.  And to me, the guy who originally took such potentially compromising videos/pictures WHEN ELI is sleeping (when you sleep, can you give your permission to be video-taped / have your photograph taken?) ... - that already speaks volume about his character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pulau_sibu Says: </p>
<p>Today at 06: 50.51 (10 hours ago)<br />
No one here have speculated that the man who took the photos lost the phone. That could be his argument, if caught. Then he will also be a victim.<br />
______________</p>
<p>pulau_sibu,</p>
<p>Extremely unlikely.  Not only must he lost his phone, it also requires the finder to be a politically opportunistic, knowledgeable, kay-poh-chee to 1. pick up the phone (most people would just ignore it), 2. browse the address book (most people would not necessarily know how to do this with another model handphone), 3. bypass the password (ass-u-me-ing the phone is protected with password), 4. browse all the picture and video files stored in the phone (most ordinary people respect the privacy of others), 5. Made the connection that the girl is Eli (if you&#8217;re from out of state, you probably wouldn&#8217;t know what Eli looks like, or knows it&#8217;s Eli for sure), 6. Go to Malay Mail to give the picture / video (again, I believe the vast majority wouldn&#8217;t do this), 7. And how did Toyol knew about this so fast, and is so quick to condemn Eli?</p>
<p>In short, the balance of probability to me indicates that this is definitely malicious, and definitely not accidental.  And to me, the guy who originally took such potentially compromising videos/pictures WHEN ELI is sleeping (when you sleep, can you give your permission to be video-taped / have your photograph taken?) &#8230; &#8211; that already speaks volume about his character.</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jong Says: 
Today at 09: 27.48 (7 hours ago) 

We should all just leave her alone and for her, the right thing to do is to resign and move on with her life. Go somewhere and get on with life.
________________

The &quot;right&quot; thing to do is to resign???

Can someone explain to me how is resigning the &quot;right&quot; thing to do?

If the purpose of resigning is to trigger a by-election, so as to go back to the people to get a fresh mandate, then, I agree this could be one of many &quot;right&quot; things to do.

But if the purpose of resigning is - as Jong suggested - to go away, leave politics - then, how is running away solving the problem?  What about idiots like Toyol who is quick to apply his double-standard hypocrisy to demand Eli to resign - why doesn&#039;t Jong ask Toyol to resign first?  

This country needs more people like Eli to be in office, than people like Toyol.

Jong, if you want to decide who stays in office, then, suggest you tell Toyol to get lost first about 10 times, before you even suggest once for Eli to resign.  10 to 1 is about the right proportion, although I know others might think 1,000 to 1 is a more appropriate proportion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jong Says:<br />
Today at 09: 27.48 (7 hours ago) </p>
<p>We should all just leave her alone and for her, the right thing to do is to resign and move on with her life. Go somewhere and get on with life.<br />
________________</p>
<p>The &#8220;right&#8221; thing to do is to resign???</p>
<p>Can someone explain to me how is resigning the &#8220;right&#8221; thing to do?</p>
<p>If the purpose of resigning is to trigger a by-election, so as to go back to the people to get a fresh mandate, then, I agree this could be one of many &#8220;right&#8221; things to do.</p>
<p>But if the purpose of resigning is &#8211; as Jong suggested &#8211; to go away, leave politics &#8211; then, how is running away solving the problem?  What about idiots like Toyol who is quick to apply his double-standard hypocrisy to demand Eli to resign &#8211; why doesn&#8217;t Jong ask Toyol to resign first?  </p>
<p>This country needs more people like Eli to be in office, than people like Toyol.</p>
<p>Jong, if you want to decide who stays in office, then, suggest you tell Toyol to get lost first about 10 times, before you even suggest once for Eli to resign.  10 to 1 is about the right proportion, although I know others might think 1,000 to 1 is a more appropriate proportion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“He won’t photograph his sleeping woman unless he is legally sure that on the one hand there are no liabilities on his side, and on the other hand he gets compliments for his handiwork” 

A perceptive comment from personal experience of someone who, whilst having assets on one hand, gets a rebuke for his handiwork on the other!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“He won’t photograph his sleeping woman unless he is legally sure that on the one hand there are no liabilities on his side, and on the other hand he gets compliments for his handiwork” </p>
<p>A perceptive comment from personal experience of someone who, whilst having assets on one hand, gets a rebuke for his handiwork on the other!</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>taiking Says: 
Today at 09: 30.59 (7 hours ago) 

... 

FIRST.
Did anyone express disgust and demand your resignation? None i dare say except for a few idiots from unmo. They can be ignored without any loss to you. Everyone is symphatatic, gives your his/her support and wants you to continue. You have my support too. So carry on.

____________

Well said and totally agreed.</description>
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Today at 09: 30.59 (7 hours ago) </p>
<p>&#8230; </p>
<p>FIRST.<br />
Did anyone express disgust and demand your resignation? None i dare say except for a few idiots from unmo. They can be ignored without any loss to you. Everyone is symphatatic, gives your his/her support and wants you to continue. You have my support too. So carry on.</p>
<p>____________</p>
<p>Well said and totally agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A BN mole/spy lifts the skirt and photograph his sleeping woman.&quot; -TheWrathOfGrapes 

Then there must be something wrong in PKR/PR: in the light of events, there is a BN mole/spy or may be more than one embedded within PKR/PR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A BN mole/spy lifts the skirt and photograph his sleeping woman.&#8221; -TheWrathOfGrapes </p>
<p>Then there must be something wrong in PKR/PR: in the light of events, there is a BN mole/spy or may be more than one embedded within PKR/PR.</p>
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		<title>By: boh-liao</title>
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		<dc:creator>boh-liao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Elizabeth Wong is single.
Is Hilmi Malek a bachelor boy or a married man?

It looks like PKR politicians are surrounded by Homo sapiens who made use of their close ties with PKR politicians to become millionaires pronto - get close to them and betray them! Sodomy, nude photos, intimate positions, and what have you! 

Enjoy s ex, satisfy lust and libido, record the harum-scarum moments/actions, and sell the records to the highest bidders. Easy money! 

Of course, this can also be said of DAP and PAS so-called supporters. Thank you, DAP, PAS, and PKR for providing such a simple and lucrative avenue to be instant millionaires in Malaysia!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Elizabeth Wong is single.<br />
Is Hilmi Malek a bachelor boy or a married man?</p>
<p>It looks like PKR politicians are surrounded by Homo sapiens who made use of their close ties with PKR politicians to become millionaires pronto &#8211; get close to them and betray them! Sodomy, nude photos, intimate positions, and what have you! </p>
<p>Enjoy s ex, satisfy lust and libido, record the harum-scarum moments/actions, and sell the records to the highest bidders. Easy money! </p>
<p>Of course, this can also be said of DAP and PAS so-called supporters. Thank you, DAP, PAS, and PKR for providing such a simple and lucrative avenue to be instant millionaires in Malaysia!</b><b></b></p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crapshooting show-off is not a BN mole or spy.  He&#039;s just a plant - and a spineless one at that.  He won&#039;t photograph his sleeping woman unless he is legally sure that on the one hand there are no liabilities on his side, and on the other hand he gets compliments for his handiwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crapshooting show-off is not a BN mole or spy.  He&#8217;s just a plant &#8211; and a spineless one at that.  He won&#8217;t photograph his sleeping woman unless he is legally sure that on the one hand there are no liabilities on his side, and on the other hand he gets compliments for his handiwork.</p>
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