And winning in these 2 by-elections would then show all and sundry that those in power should not usurp and destroy the constitutional and democratic processes in the country.

The mild disagreement got Stephen Kalong Ningkam reinstated.

A similar observation will give Perak voters a chance to express their reactions to kataks. His Highness could still claim that he was legally correct, in keeping with his standing as expert in law.

If Pakatan Rakyat is prevented from taking the case to court, it proves only that the country has moved backward from what had been achieved in 1966. The ministers who claim to base on rule of law to run the country are actively prompting party members to take the case to the streets. That could be the reason why they are afraid of facing fresh election in Perak.

Karpal has asked Anwar to step down and that “Pakatan Rakyat needed another leader, a good leader”. He also lashed out at PKR and DAP leaders who had fallen sway to Anwar’s rhetoric in supporting crossovers of elected representatives.

As the saying goes: “so you reap, so…”

If you see a snake and a polio-afflicted frog (that is to say, it hops with a limp), which would you wallop first?

wonder which sewer he ca be found hiding after the dust settles.

A Ruler/Judge incurring a debt and not paying it to the bnak/creditor or a committing a civil crime should be taken to court because here Ruler/Judge himself is “disrespecting” institution of Monarchy/Judiciary.

It is more difficult when a Monarch exercised a constitutional duty and made a call that is widely perceived wrong or even bias – just as in the case when a Judge in exercise of judicial function decides a case which is wrong in law or facts , can one sue either the Monarch or the Judge for making a wrong call in the exercise of their lawful functions (given no human being is infallible)? I agree this is especially a problem when the person who made wrong call –whether monarch or Supreme/Federal Court has no higher authority above him to correct his wrong decision.

However there must be more than 1 way to skin a cat, isn’t it?
Don’t get me wrong : I am not saying PR takes what is happening in Perak lying down. It should respond but respond in a way that makes sense serving of its interest than the opposite.

Response that makes sense would include for example taking the case for judicial review but naming parties other than Royalty (exercising constitutional function). Its not that PR will win the case. Case takes years besides no one is certain Courts will decide in PR’s favour : its more symbolic to demonstrate that PR does not yield or concede to unconstitutional takeover of the Perak State Govt that may be necessary for other counter actions like the one suggested by Nik Aziz ie PAS (and maybe perhaps other Opposition parties or their states) do not recognise Perak new state govt.

However I don’t take its very smart to sue Royalty that may be twisted by the other side against PR as elaborated by shah pinang in posting February 7th, 2009 at 21: 36.21

I am not sure that its even smart for Nizar to continue “running” the state as 2nd “shadow” MB from MB’s residence without pay, car, recognition by Fed Govt, trying to schediule appointments with investors and consultants who won’t be seeing him.

How long can this pathetic charade go on without damage to one’s dignity? It doesn’t mean that if Nizar were not doing all this, he is necessarily conceding the constitutionality of the coup. There are other ways to make a point : ceertainly not the extreme and thoughtless way of returning the Datoship/title to the Sultan, as suggested by Godfather, which makes it personal…and may be (again) twisted by the other side as a slight/insult to Royalty Institution.

If it is indeed true that she has acquired millions under such circumstances, then she will not be able to enjoy those millions as Chinese believe that one will have to endure painful sufferings to waste away all such ill gotten gain, e.g. from serious illnesses, bad luck, misfortunes in the family and etc.

Congratulations to Hee for having earned herself a permanent spot in Malaysian history, a name that every rakyat will remember for many generations to come, a name that every rakyat will show extreme disgust!!!

//i think nothing much PR can do now…. just pack and say.. “We will be back…!!!” Let BN have Perak. Let them dig themselves deeper into the hole.

//I agree that PR should let the matter rest and leave now as everyone knows they had been stab in the back and snatched from them. The Rakyat knows and Perakians will not forget.

//Now its, BN + Police + State Secretary + Sultan + Bar Council (Ambiga) agst the Rakyat – RESPECT FOR THE SULTAN”S ORDER IS VERY IMPORTANT!

//Go back to your camps to lick your wounds. Learn from the Chinese kung fu films……lose this round…learns more tricks…stay close and intimate to Rakyat and then when GE 13 comes….victory is yours. Cool down now. Fight another day!

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//Thank you YAB Dato’ IR Nizar. You have ‘fought’ well. You are the very few individuals that we can look up to as a role model. A true Malaysian, Perakian and in actual fact the true servant of HRH of Sultan. Not those ’snakes’ who rather see Perak in ruins for their own interest.

//To Ah Jib, Yes, you take over Perak, don’t forget your rating sink even more because of your illegal means. Soon you will be the Most-Rotten & disgraceful PM in the history of Malaysia. Like George Bush. Despise by the world including his countrymen. Got a gift of a shoe before he stepped down.

//Prediction of 13th state GE results in Perak: Pakatan 59 B end 0 – and Najib (N) is definately “the last PM” (R.A.H.M.A.N) – Now Perak is having “27 YBs + 4 YTs” (YT = Yang Terkutuk) and Sultan Perak has just C4ed the democracy in Perak

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//Sampai hati Sultan mengkhianati Rakyat sendiri. Sebelum ni, Rakyat benci UMNO/BN. Janganlah sampai SULTAN pun dibenci oleh RAKYAT sendiri. Dulu orang Cina DAP sahaja disalahkan kerana tidak taat pada sultan. TAPI SEKARANG???

How you can come come up with such a conclusion about power struggle in UMNO that resulted in Nizar’s govt collapsing is rather “mind boggling” to everybody.

Let us examine the case. Nizar’s govt played dirty by “bribing” ADUn Bota. BN reacted by inducing Hee and the 2 PKR assemblymen to switch camp.

Perhaps you forgot how Anwar tried so hard to “bribe” BN MPs just to fulfill his long time ambition of becoming PM. He started the the dirty phsychological campaign. And he was beaten by BN using the very way he promoted .

The moral of the story is that if Anwar is willing to play dirty, he must be willing to pay the price. So, now, please accept the result of your greed; your govt collapsed in Perak.

In no way, switching camp is honourable. But spare the double standard . What did Uncle Lim say about Anwar’s telling the whole world aboit toppling the govt that had received the mandate to rule Malaysia. Why Uncle Lim goes along with the plan? I never heard him saying anthing about not joining PKR’s greed to capture Federal govt.

I never heard him saying to Anwar to respect the mandate accorded to BN. I never heard Uncle Lim saying to Anwar about the right way is winning the next election in order to be PM.

Why on earh cry out loud when just days ago, Anwar “bribed” ADUN Bota to join PKR. Why now cry out loud when BN also play using the same strategy. What make PR so special that its sins can be absolved but the same act being condemned as heinous if done by BN?

Why the double standard? why? Why Uncle LIm? Why?

What make you think that Nizar had performed admirably( if admirably means relegating Malays to 3rd class race)?.

As for suing the Sultan, do remember that that options goes hand to hand to losing Malay support considerable if not entirely.

Anyhow here I just cut and paste my other points:

Ku Li: Why Nizar is still the MB
“Datuk Seri Mohammad Nizar Jamaluddin is still the Perak Mentri Besar until he resigns of his own accord, or is removed by a vote of no-confidence in a formal sitting of the State Assembly”, said Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah.
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Dato Seri IR Nizar will always be the Perakian’s MB! I agree with Jeffrey- PR/Nizar’s decision to maintain legal recourse (but not directed at the HRH Sultan) is a measured and well calculated strategy. Before am accuse of adopting a ‘flip-flop’ mentality-(no pun intended Godfather) I have said all along this is part of the ‘regrouping’ process. We are ‘retreating’ from the battle-and now engaging in a war of attrition. We seek to strengthen the constitutional position of the Pakatan administration and delegitimize BN’s coup de tat. Zambry might still be the MB at the end of the day-but severely weaken in the eye of the people and the rules of law. And the silver lining in the cloud- The illegal administration might collapse and HRH Sultan will have no choice but to call for a fresh election.
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Pertaining to the legal recourse, I was like ‘here we go again’ when the BN main stream medias like a happy katak -airing the statement YB Karpal made of the issue(yesterday). The one sentence they make sure everybody listen to was “Sultan Perak will be the first defendant”………..and then today both YAB Dato IR Nizar & Dato Seri Anwar had to clean up the ‘PR” mess- PR can be Pakatan Rakyat or Public Relation- the irony *sigh* some people never learn do they? and Lo and Behold the next half and hour of the news report is about Monarchy vs Pakatan,Raja-raja Melayu vs the disrespectful Pakatan members and supporters, Malays who love their sultan vs those basically non-Malays who do not give a hoot to kedaulatan sultan etc.
Regardless of your views, you are just playing to Najib’s tunes when you start waging a war against the very institution which symbolizes the unity and the courage of the people to accept Pakatan’s rule in Selangor,Kelantan,Kedah and Perak of course before the coup de tat. What YB Karpal and some Pakatan members are doing at the moment is akin to “throwing one’s toys out of the pram”. HRH Sultan is not infallible of course, but considering HRH is still one of the ‘respected’ Malay rulers in the country- this is NOT the right time to antagonize the public opinion by making such a blatant ‘threat’. Want to sue somebody- yeah go ahead and sue Zambry, Najib, UMNO Perak, whoever for making a mockery of the constitution and for blackmailing or misleading HRH Sultan into believing that MB Nizar cease to command the majority etc. Focus on the four kataks-force a ruling to get them vacate the seats and so forth. They are so many ‘battles’ or ways of approaching this war- so what’s the obsession with ‘defaming’ HRH Sultan?

http://www.nkkhoo.com/2009/02/07/the-rakyats-say-no-to-zamry-cyber-campaign/

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