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		<title>By: StevePCH</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157872</link>
		<dc:creator>StevePCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LTL is sleeping, dengue and chikugunya on the sharp rise since last year.

I did mentioned much earlier as in Karak, so many were infected with Chikugunya. It&#039;s a very painful disease where joints are affected and body weakness persists even after a few months. sometimes years. 

Useless Health Minister. I would prefer previous Sex Health Minister over him.

He does not know nuts bout health at all. Putting him there is pathetic. MCA is going down the drain with him. People in Bentong and Karak is so Mad with him and next round .... BYE BYE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LTL is sleeping, dengue and chikugunya on the sharp rise since last year.</p>
<p>I did mentioned much earlier as in Karak, so many were infected with Chikugunya. It&#8217;s a very painful disease where joints are affected and body weakness persists even after a few months. sometimes years. </p>
<p>Useless Health Minister. I would prefer previous Sex Health Minister over him.</p>
<p>He does not know nuts bout health at all. Putting him there is pathetic. MCA is going down the drain with him. People in Bentong and Karak is so Mad with him and next round &#8230;. BYE BYE.</p>
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		<title>By: kingkenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingkenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once traveled to Madrid. Most people (including our leaders) here would not have imagined how they manage a simple department like public works and services personnel like Spain.

Those who collects garbage, street cleaners and other public works personnel there are young, tidy, well groomed and professional in their work. You could tell by the way they operate their machines and the way they carry out their work. By looking at them, one can tell that they are paid well and have a good life working as a garbageman. 

Unlike Malaysia, our garbageman here might not even be a local, most probably a foreigner, earning a meagre income that could barely buy three meals a day. Lives by the dumpsite, untidy, and does his job according to his given (or not given) resource.

Ever notice our garbage truck letting out streams after streams of sweet smelling juices as they prod along the roads??!! (Quite often isn&#039;t it?)

Well, I don&#039;t see that happening to garbage trucks in Spain for the six months I was there. Their public buses emits so much less fumes I just thought it&#039;s surreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once traveled to Madrid. Most people (including our leaders) here would not have imagined how they manage a simple department like public works and services personnel like Spain.</p>
<p>Those who collects garbage, street cleaners and other public works personnel there are young, tidy, well groomed and professional in their work. You could tell by the way they operate their machines and the way they carry out their work. By looking at them, one can tell that they are paid well and have a good life working as a garbageman. </p>
<p>Unlike Malaysia, our garbageman here might not even be a local, most probably a foreigner, earning a meagre income that could barely buy three meals a day. Lives by the dumpsite, untidy, and does his job according to his given (or not given) resource.</p>
<p>Ever notice our garbage truck letting out streams after streams of sweet smelling juices as they prod along the roads??!! (Quite often isn&#8217;t it?)</p>
<p>Well, I don&#8217;t see that happening to garbage trucks in Spain for the six months I was there. Their public buses emits so much less fumes I just thought it&#8217;s surreal.</p>
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		<title>By: kingkenny</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157577</link>
		<dc:creator>kingkenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One look at GLCs&#039; employees and you would know that all these companies are collaborating with the government in legalizing &quot;get-rich-quick-scheme&quot; just like what Citizen Nades was writing today in the Sun. 

To summarize it: &quot;THEY (government &amp; local authorities) JUST DON&#039;T CARE! As simple as that, whether you are paying cukai or not! Period. It&#039;s all about the dough.

I have mentioned it before in this blog, that our filthy politicians and their filthy businessmen friends are plundering the country&#039;s wealth. 

Malaysia is a country where a human is not valued (very honest view). Malaysia is in the state it is in now because of her own doing with the government as the leading cause. 

As all of us knows, one way to improve the quality of service in this country (or any country for that matter) is to improve its people. 

And how do we improve its people? People will to need to have a certain level of living standard that could satisfy their personal and family needs. This is possible by getting a good salary. How can a person concentrate on giving his best service while his home is in shambles and is worrying over the next meal?

Let give me you an example, restaurants in Malaysia. We used to see locals working in Chinese, Indian and Malay restaurants, somehow, not long ago, they disappeared. The main reason is of course the low wages and the non-existent employee benefits. 

So, there we have the start of the influx of foreign workers into our restaurants - Indians, Indonesians, Bangladeshis &amp; etc. to do the &quot;dirty &amp; unglamorous job&quot; of table waiting (waiter) / table cleaner / dish washer with a monthly salary of anywhere between RM450 to RM900. (10 years ago until now - the locals who are willing to do the job are asking between 1000 - 1800 per month and usually 1 month yearly bonus depending on the position, this is of course not accepted by local entrepreneurs even if they are making net profit of around half a million to few millions of ringgit annually). 

The influx of foreigners coupled with the &quot;tidak apa&quot; attitude of Malaysians created a chain reaction that is detrimental to the growth of our country and the people, or more precisely the lower income bracket. These foreigners are NOT investing in local services provider when they get their salary, but locals do, thus stimulating our local market with more purchasing power.

From unhygienic food handling, food poisoning, diseases caused by foreigners who prepares food, bad service &amp; etc., you name it...I am sure many of you agree but are less bringing it up because of troublesome, &quot;tidak apa&quot; attitude and many silly excuses. If we keep on like this, we will forever have this kind of sub standard restaurant preparing sub standard dirty food to us and our children. And it&#039;s not going to stop and change for the better, a better and more sustainable way of doing things.

With the next two years (2009 &amp; 2010) mooted as possible catastrophic times ahead, I sincerely feel at the moment change has come too late for Malaysia. With everything skyrocketing and essential items being more expensive, we might find ourselves even more vulnerable from external influences, or by what one senile leader always said, colonialism (this bugger is one who don&#039;t understand history and the purpose of mankind). And this is self inflicted.  

&quot;The people are hungry: It is because those in authority eat up too much in taxes&quot; - Lao Tzu

The above saying by the great sage Lao Tzu summarize why I said the government is the leading cause of all inefficiencies and slow growth of our people. (It carries many indications, not just taxes, authority might mean employer or the government)

If the levels below don&#039;t advance, neither will the levels above. All will remain stagnant and lag behind the world and the need to progress in order to protect ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One look at GLCs&#8217; employees and you would know that all these companies are collaborating with the government in legalizing &#8220;get-rich-quick-scheme&#8221; just like what Citizen Nades was writing today in the Sun. </p>
<p>To summarize it: &#8220;THEY (government &amp; local authorities) JUST DON&#8217;T CARE! As simple as that, whether you are paying cukai or not! Period. It&#8217;s all about the dough.</p>
<p>I have mentioned it before in this blog, that our filthy politicians and their filthy businessmen friends are plundering the country&#8217;s wealth. </p>
<p>Malaysia is a country where a human is not valued (very honest view). Malaysia is in the state it is in now because of her own doing with the government as the leading cause. </p>
<p>As all of us knows, one way to improve the quality of service in this country (or any country for that matter) is to improve its people. </p>
<p>And how do we improve its people? People will to need to have a certain level of living standard that could satisfy their personal and family needs. This is possible by getting a good salary. How can a person concentrate on giving his best service while his home is in shambles and is worrying over the next meal?</p>
<p>Let give me you an example, restaurants in Malaysia. We used to see locals working in Chinese, Indian and Malay restaurants, somehow, not long ago, they disappeared. The main reason is of course the low wages and the non-existent employee benefits. </p>
<p>So, there we have the start of the influx of foreign workers into our restaurants &#8211; Indians, Indonesians, Bangladeshis &amp; etc. to do the &#8220;dirty &amp; unglamorous job&#8221; of table waiting (waiter) / table cleaner / dish washer with a monthly salary of anywhere between RM450 to RM900. (10 years ago until now &#8211; the locals who are willing to do the job are asking between 1000 &#8211; 1800 per month and usually 1 month yearly bonus depending on the position, this is of course not accepted by local entrepreneurs even if they are making net profit of around half a million to few millions of ringgit annually). </p>
<p>The influx of foreigners coupled with the &#8220;tidak apa&#8221; attitude of Malaysians created a chain reaction that is detrimental to the growth of our country and the people, or more precisely the lower income bracket. These foreigners are NOT investing in local services provider when they get their salary, but locals do, thus stimulating our local market with more purchasing power.</p>
<p>From unhygienic food handling, food poisoning, diseases caused by foreigners who prepares food, bad service &amp; etc., you name it&#8230;I am sure many of you agree but are less bringing it up because of troublesome, &#8220;tidak apa&#8221; attitude and many silly excuses. If we keep on like this, we will forever have this kind of sub standard restaurant preparing sub standard dirty food to us and our children. And it&#8217;s not going to stop and change for the better, a better and more sustainable way of doing things.</p>
<p>With the next two years (2009 &amp; 2010) mooted as possible catastrophic times ahead, I sincerely feel at the moment change has come too late for Malaysia. With everything skyrocketing and essential items being more expensive, we might find ourselves even more vulnerable from external influences, or by what one senile leader always said, colonialism (this bugger is one who don&#8217;t understand history and the purpose of mankind). And this is self inflicted.  </p>
<p>&#8220;The people are hungry: It is because those in authority eat up too much in taxes&#8221; &#8211; Lao Tzu</p>
<p>The above saying by the great sage Lao Tzu summarize why I said the government is the leading cause of all inefficiencies and slow growth of our people. (It carries many indications, not just taxes, authority might mean employer or the government)</p>
<p>If the levels below don&#8217;t advance, neither will the levels above. All will remain stagnant and lag behind the world and the need to progress in order to protect ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157566</link>
		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there is actually a good reason why in florida engineers were engaged for the job. They are definately one bunch of practical people. Its their training from day one in university. They dont deal in hypothesis at all. They identify problems and solve them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there is actually a good reason why in florida engineers were engaged for the job. They are definately one bunch of practical people. Its their training from day one in university. They dont deal in hypothesis at all. They identify problems and solve them.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157510</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OrangRoajk,

Coolies?? Which one? The origin of the word can be traced back to the 18th century. The Tamil ‘quli’, Hindi ‘quli’ or the Bengali ‘kuli’?? Or even the Urdu ‘kuli’? Or the Turkish ‘kole’ meaning slave? Whatever it means, in Malaysia if you leave your wife to do all the work, it is said you’re making her your coolie.

Care should be taken, however, not to confuse ‘kuli’ with T*engku R*azaleigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OrangRoajk,</p>
<p>Coolies?? Which one? The origin of the word can be traced back to the 18th century. The Tamil ‘quli’, Hindi ‘quli’ or the Bengali ‘kuli’?? Or even the Urdu ‘kuli’? Or the Turkish ‘kole’ meaning slave? Whatever it means, in Malaysia if you leave your wife to do all the work, it is said you’re making her your coolie.</p>
<p>Care should be taken, however, not to confuse ‘kuli’ with T*engku R*azaleigh.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157509</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Malaysians need to exercise a little more breadth in their own thinking, and observe that your ex-oppressors no longer employ coolies in their more attractive neighbourhoods, but well paid, hard working individuals who have a job and families with their own needs and dreams just like everyone else.” OrangRojak

Coolies?? Which one? The origin of the word can be traced back to the 18th century. The Tamil ‘quli’, Hindi ‘quli’ or the Bengali ‘kuli’?? Or even the Urdu ‘kuli’? Or the Turkish ‘kole’ meaning  slave? Whatever it means, in Malaysia if you leave your wife to do all the work, it is said you’re making her your coolie.

Care should be taken, however,  not to confuse &#039;kuli&#039; with Tengku Razaleigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Malaysians need to exercise a little more breadth in their own thinking, and observe that your ex-oppressors no longer employ coolies in their more attractive neighbourhoods, but well paid, hard working individuals who have a job and families with their own needs and dreams just like everyone else.” OrangRojak</p>
<p>Coolies?? Which one? The origin of the word can be traced back to the 18th century. The Tamil ‘quli’, Hindi ‘quli’ or the Bengali ‘kuli’?? Or even the Urdu ‘kuli’? Or the Turkish ‘kole’ meaning  slave? Whatever it means, in Malaysia if you leave your wife to do all the work, it is said you’re making her your coolie.</p>
<p>Care should be taken, however,  not to confuse &#8216;kuli&#8217; with Tengku Razaleigh.</p>
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		<title>By: alaneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>alaneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IEM can help to solve this problem......

There&#039;s this Civil &amp; Environmental Engineering program in UPM...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IEM can help to solve this problem&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s this Civil &amp; Environmental Engineering program in UPM&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157413</link>
		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Who do we engage then???&lt;/i&gt;
Must...not...post...silly...comments. It&#039;s no good, either you need GhostBusters or....

&lt;i&gt;If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... The A-Team&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who do we engage then???</i><br />
Must&#8230;not&#8230;post&#8230;silly&#8230;comments. It&#8217;s no good, either you need GhostBusters or&#8230;.</p>
<p><i>If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire&#8230; The A-Team</i></p>
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		<title>By: rainbowseahorse</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157411</link>
		<dc:creator>rainbowseahorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In most cases, city hall need to hire cleaners to keep open drains unclogged to prevent stagnant water becoming breeding ground for mosquitoes. 
I have personally seen such clogged drains which are infested with thousands of mosquito larva. 

If the government can hire full time cleaners to keep some beaches clean, then they can also hire cleaners to keep open drains clean and free flowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In most cases, city hall need to hire cleaners to keep open drains unclogged to prevent stagnant water becoming breeding ground for mosquitoes.<br />
I have personally seen such clogged drains which are infested with thousands of mosquito larva. </p>
<p>If the government can hire full time cleaners to keep some beaches clean, then they can also hire cleaners to keep open drains clean and free flowing.</p>
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		<title>By: Thor</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157398</link>
		<dc:creator>Thor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mosquitoes sucks blood but some kind of idiot sucks all of our money.
Who do we engage then???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mosquitoes sucks blood but some kind of idiot sucks all of our money.<br />
Who do we engage then???</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157383</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about mosquitoes. Vampires are more important to eradicate. The latest made-in-malaysia blockbuster is coming to town. --&gt;http://crete.globat.com/~mob1900.com/temp/blogpics3/mob1900_buying_them_over.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about mosquitoes. Vampires are more important to eradicate. The latest made-in-malaysia blockbuster is coming to town. &#8211;&gt;<a href="http://crete.globat.com/~mob1900.com/temp/blogpics3/mob1900_buying_them_over.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://crete.globat.com/~mob1900.com/temp/blogpics3/mob1900_buying_them_over.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker Politics</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157373</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mosquitoes have a range of about half a mile. Even if you were to keep your drains flowing and your yards trimmed, but if your neighbors were slothful, you still would have to endure the nuisance of mosquitoes. Hence a neighborhood approach is needed.&quot;  (M. Bakri Musa)

Throughout the whole passage of M. Bakri Musa, I find that the above paragraph is the most impressive one.  The world renown clean cities like Singapore and Kota Kinabalu would also find problems with Dengue outbreak.  Therefore there may not be a high correlation between Dengue outbreak and the competency of civil engineers who are being employed by the Town Councils.   

It is also questionable to compare Florida&#039;s climate to that of Malaysia.  As far as I know, the northern part of Florida is situated in the temperate zone.  Most insects cannot survive during the winter in some densely populated cities in Florida like Pensacola, Tampa, Tallahassee, Jacksonville, Gainesville, Titusville, De Land, Sarasota, Sanford, Orlando, Bartow, Clearwater, and Dade City.  The floridan cities which are said to have similar hot and humid climate like that of Malaysia may be Miami, West Palm Beach, Fort Myers, Fort Lauderdale, Naples, and Key West, which are situated at the southern part of Florida.

Even in the southern part of Florida, we will still find that the sea breeze may be too cold for insects like mosquitoes to proliferate and survive for a long period of time.

Instead of learning from Florida, it is much better for Malaysians to learn from our close neighbour, i.e. Singapore.  The Singaporean Government has identified that the water-captured flower vases and flower pots are the major mosquito nursery beds.  Therefore it is highly advisable for Malaysians to learn to add some salt into the water of the flower vases and sow some salt at the base of the flower pots.  This idea looks very simple but it works well to control the proliferation of the mosquitoes in our living compounds.

No matter what, to maintain the environmental cleanliness and to eradicate all the water retention media in our living compound and workplace at individual&#039;s initiative are the most important steps towards a safer living environment which is free from the threat of mosquito-borne diseases such as Dengue, Chikungunya or Malaria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mosquitoes have a range of about half a mile. Even if you were to keep your drains flowing and your yards trimmed, but if your neighbors were slothful, you still would have to endure the nuisance of mosquitoes. Hence a neighborhood approach is needed.&#8221;  (M. Bakri Musa)</p>
<p>Throughout the whole passage of M. Bakri Musa, I find that the above paragraph is the most impressive one.  The world renown clean cities like Singapore and Kota Kinabalu would also find problems with Dengue outbreak.  Therefore there may not be a high correlation between Dengue outbreak and the competency of civil engineers who are being employed by the Town Councils.   </p>
<p>It is also questionable to compare Florida&#8217;s climate to that of Malaysia.  As far as I know, the northern part of Florida is situated in the temperate zone.  Most insects cannot survive during the winter in some densely populated cities in Florida like Pensacola, Tampa, Tallahassee, Jacksonville, Gainesville, Titusville, De Land, Sarasota, Sanford, Orlando, Bartow, Clearwater, and Dade City.  The floridan cities which are said to have similar hot and humid climate like that of Malaysia may be Miami, West Palm Beach, Fort Myers, Fort Lauderdale, Naples, and Key West, which are situated at the southern part of Florida.</p>
<p>Even in the southern part of Florida, we will still find that the sea breeze may be too cold for insects like mosquitoes to proliferate and survive for a long period of time.</p>
<p>Instead of learning from Florida, it is much better for Malaysians to learn from our close neighbour, i.e. Singapore.  The Singaporean Government has identified that the water-captured flower vases and flower pots are the major mosquito nursery beds.  Therefore it is highly advisable for Malaysians to learn to add some salt into the water of the flower vases and sow some salt at the base of the flower pots.  This idea looks very simple but it works well to control the proliferation of the mosquitoes in our living compounds.</p>
<p>No matter what, to maintain the environmental cleanliness and to eradicate all the water retention media in our living compound and workplace at individual&#8217;s initiative are the most important steps towards a safer living environment which is free from the threat of mosquito-borne diseases such as Dengue, Chikungunya or Malaria.</p>
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		<title>By: DannyKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>DannyKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One need not look afar at the US or Europe, just take a peek across the causeway to Singapore and one would realised that design for any project have to comply with the regulations and requirements of the Building Construction Authority and Ministry of Environment to prevent stagnant water in roof gutters, drainage, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One need not look afar at the US or Europe, just take a peek across the causeway to Singapore and one would realised that design for any project have to comply with the regulations and requirements of the Building Construction Authority and Ministry of Environment to prevent stagnant water in roof gutters, drainage, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: tjwork</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157353</link>
		<dc:creator>tjwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

OrangRojak, I share your view, especially since i was staying in various parts of Europe before coming back.

Since we are young, we re taught that anything that happens outside our house compound is not our problem. its the authorities problem. I didnt learn this from home, but in primary school.

Since my dad travels alot at work, we moved often, &amp; at one time I was staying in a malay kampong, which I might say, never encountered any racial or religious issues. My friends will eat at my house or we will shelter at the surau when it rains, no problems at all.

We had some informal gotong royong, and the beauty of it is that when some one starts to gotong royong to clean up, all the neighbors follow with it, no questions asked, everyone cleaned up around the area. Then the wifes will bring us cakes &amp; tea. 

I miss this environment where all of us get along so well.

Anyway. I must agree that we cant rely on the authorities to do all the work, we should pitch in as well. But considering whats happening, many would prefer not to do their part even if they could, why:

1. They feel its not their job to clean outside their area.

2. They feel that they paid way too much for the Dewan/Majilis * to do the work. In fact they didnt do  good job at all.

3. Its not safe outside. Many that I know will not risk being seen outside their home working, unaware of who is watching them.

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With the current issue in hand. The doctors can only treat &amp; provide recommendations to patients. 

And engineers can only identify &amp; analyze situations when outbreaks happen with the feedback from the doctors or cdc.

To solve this problem effectively, We need a third party that is unbias to the docs &amp; engineers &amp; only focus on solving this problem.

Perhaps, They could:

1. Create a task force, Its all about PR, get a number Posted, email &amp; web information to tackle the issues.

2. Get feedback from people. Im very sure when you ask someone, they will complain. Use this opportunity to identify the hotspots &amp; send a team to test, analyze &amp; fog the area.

3. Contact the people again &amp; get their evaluations.

4. What would help is that they monitor this problem &amp; liaise with the people without over promising them, there must be a time range to resolve the issue, And if it takes too long, someone must be accountable.

5. Perhaps it help some people, there could be a custom service to do this fogging coordinated by the majilis (i hope without corruption) to help those that are willing to pay for a better overall service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>OrangRojak, I share your view, especially since i was staying in various parts of Europe before coming back.</p>
<p>Since we are young, we re taught that anything that happens outside our house compound is not our problem. its the authorities problem. I didnt learn this from home, but in primary school.</p>
<p>Since my dad travels alot at work, we moved often, &amp; at one time I was staying in a malay kampong, which I might say, never encountered any racial or religious issues. My friends will eat at my house or we will shelter at the surau when it rains, no problems at all.</p>
<p>We had some informal gotong royong, and the beauty of it is that when some one starts to gotong royong to clean up, all the neighbors follow with it, no questions asked, everyone cleaned up around the area. Then the wifes will bring us cakes &amp; tea. </p>
<p>I miss this environment where all of us get along so well.</p>
<p>Anyway. I must agree that we cant rely on the authorities to do all the work, we should pitch in as well. But considering whats happening, many would prefer not to do their part even if they could, why:</p>
<p>1. They feel its not their job to clean outside their area.</p>
<p>2. They feel that they paid way too much for the Dewan/Majilis * to do the work. In fact they didnt do  good job at all.</p>
<p>3. Its not safe outside. Many that I know will not risk being seen outside their home working, unaware of who is watching them.</p>
<p>&#8211; </p>
<p>With the current issue in hand. The doctors can only treat &amp; provide recommendations to patients. </p>
<p>And engineers can only identify &amp; analyze situations when outbreaks happen with the feedback from the doctors or cdc.</p>
<p>To solve this problem effectively, We need a third party that is unbias to the docs &amp; engineers &amp; only focus on solving this problem.</p>
<p>Perhaps, They could:</p>
<p>1. Create a task force, Its all about PR, get a number Posted, email &amp; web information to tackle the issues.</p>
<p>2. Get feedback from people. Im very sure when you ask someone, they will complain. Use this opportunity to identify the hotspots &amp; send a team to test, analyze &amp; fog the area.</p>
<p>3. Contact the people again &amp; get their evaluations.</p>
<p>4. What would help is that they monitor this problem &amp; liaise with the people without over promising them, there must be a time range to resolve the issue, And if it takes too long, someone must be accountable.</p>
<p>5. Perhaps it help some people, there could be a custom service to do this fogging coordinated by the majilis (i hope without corruption) to help those that are willing to pay for a better overall service.</p>
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		<title>By: Taxidriver</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157333</link>
		<dc:creator>Taxidriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Bakri,
          Your article is very informative. I like it. But as long as our town council officers do not have the proper work attitude to carry out their job responsibly, things will remain as they are. I once complained to our area town council about a leaked sewage pipe on my friend&#039;s behalf, who told me that nothing was done despite numerous complaints. The officer attended to my complaint said that the area in question will be taken over by Indah Water very soon. When I reasoned with him to at least do something before the takeover by Indah, he agreed, reluctantly though. And.......do you know what he did? He tore a small piece of paper from the newspaper which was on his table and took down my name and the location. So you can see their work attitude!! And just to let you know, three weeks after the complaint, the residents pulled together their contributions and engaged a private contractor. So, how can we compare malaysia with other countries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Bakri,<br />
          Your article is very informative. I like it. But as long as our town council officers do not have the proper work attitude to carry out their job responsibly, things will remain as they are. I once complained to our area town council about a leaked sewage pipe on my friend&#8217;s behalf, who told me that nothing was done despite numerous complaints. The officer attended to my complaint said that the area in question will be taken over by Indah Water very soon. When I reasoned with him to at least do something before the takeover by Indah, he agreed, reluctantly though. And&#8230;&#8230;.do you know what he did? He tore a small piece of paper from the newspaper which was on his table and took down my name and the location. So you can see their work attitude!! And just to let you know, three weeks after the complaint, the residents pulled together their contributions and engaged a private contractor. So, how can we compare malaysia with other countries?</p>
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		<title>By: chiakchua</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157332</link>
		<dc:creator>chiakchua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if those fellows who do the fogging are directly under the jurisdiction of Majlis Perbandaran or have to be advised by officers from Ministry of Health (Federal body). If it is under Majlis, the 5 states under PR should show good example! This would be good testimony for the next election. I&#039;m sure someone who has a sound mind, committed to care for others will be able to do the job nicely. Yes, some engineer must look into the effectiveness of &#039;fogging&#039; or some other method has to be used. Personally I&#039;m doubtful if the way the fogging is done is effective to eradicate the growth of larvae; I don&#039;t think the chemical gets down to the stagnant water effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if those fellows who do the fogging are directly under the jurisdiction of Majlis Perbandaran or have to be advised by officers from Ministry of Health (Federal body). If it is under Majlis, the 5 states under PR should show good example! This would be good testimony for the next election. I&#8217;m sure someone who has a sound mind, committed to care for others will be able to do the job nicely. Yes, some engineer must look into the effectiveness of &#8216;fogging&#8217; or some other method has to be used. Personally I&#8217;m doubtful if the way the fogging is done is effective to eradicate the growth of larvae; I don&#8217;t think the chemical gets down to the stagnant water effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Thor</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157326</link>
		<dc:creator>Thor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not forgetting &quot;Bozo&quot; the clown, can be home minister too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not forgetting &#8220;Bozo&#8221; the clown, can be home minister too!</p>
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		<title>By: Thor</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157325</link>
		<dc:creator>Thor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PM can do flip flop!
DPM can lie!
So, in Bolehland! what else cannot be done?
Apa pun boleh!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PM can do flip flop!<br />
DPM can lie!<br />
So, in Bolehland! what else cannot be done?<br />
Apa pun boleh!!!</p>
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		<title>By: chengho</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157324</link>
		<dc:creator>chengho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem is within the Pakatan rule state...</description>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/02/02/engage-engineers-not-doctors-to-control-dengue/comment-page-1/#comment-157306</link>
		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is educating and  the villagers that live in swampy areas....how to be clean and follow up with monthly checks.
Then we have enough trucks...helicopters..to spray whatever needed to kill mosquitoes.
No need to learn from Florida. 
Is Bakri Musa trying to part a message and also trying to impress us...that he has been to USA?
How about Australia...Brunei and S&#039;pore?
Yes....Change the government.
We are their bosses. No good workers must be terminated!!
Since the contract is until next election....lets do that.
What say you.... Bakri Musa??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is educating and  the villagers that live in swampy areas&#8230;.how to be clean and follow up with monthly checks.<br />
Then we have enough trucks&#8230;helicopters..to spray whatever needed to kill mosquitoes.<br />
No need to learn from Florida.<br />
Is Bakri Musa trying to part a message and also trying to impress us&#8230;that he has been to USA?<br />
How about Australia&#8230;Brunei and S&#8217;pore?<br />
Yes&#8230;.Change the government.<br />
We are their bosses. No good workers must be terminated!!<br />
Since the contract is until next election&#8230;.lets do that.<br />
What say you&#8230;. Bakri Musa??</p>
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