Baradan – Comment is free but facts are sacred


Just phoned Baradan Kuppusamy whose “Analysis” in the Star today made the mischievous claim that I had defended hudud and qisas laws as they apply only for Muslims.

He has also dragged DAP National Organising Secretary and MP for Seputeh Teresa Kok into the picture, alleging that she had taken the same stand.

When I spoke to Baradan, he said he had not read the Star.

I asked Baradan when I had ever made such a claim. He said he read it in a report but he was unable to recall which report.

As a veteran journalist, Baradan should know the important maxim for ethical and responsible journalism – Comment is free but facts are sacred.

I will like to know what is the news report which Baradan is claiming as his source and authority as neither Teresa nor I had ever made the claim he had alleged.

Is Baradan prepared to do the most decent thing and get a correction published prominently and immediately in the Star?

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  1. #1 by ch on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 12:04 pm

    Dear All,

    Star has recently roped in two new pairs of able hand with the view of “re-branding” the tabloid and such comments from their journalists are of no surprise. As I have said before, in Malaysian politics, what is unreal can be real and vice-versa. However, the challenge is on the affected individual or party to counter the claim(s). Million of Malaysians are reading the newspaper but then again I really wonder how many of these million readers actually complete the reading of the entire article.

    A friend once told me that Malaysians on average read only 3 fullpages of a book yearly. True?

  2. #2 by madmix on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 12:15 pm

    He is writing a BN propaganda piece.

  3. #3 by Jong on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 12:19 pm

    That’s highly irresponsible of a veteran journalist, Baradan Kuppusamy! Shame on you, how low can you go Baradan!!!

    Either he takes full responsiblity of the “Analysis” or paste a full page “apology” to you YB Kit and YB Teresa Kok in all mainstream media. The Star afterall has lost all basic journalistic credibility!

  4. #4 by juno on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 12:26 pm

    Well said YB, to quote what he said ……..
    .”"unable to recall which report.”" So tomorrow I should say that the PM has divorced Jeene, and just say —could not recall who said that . Time for Baradan to go back to pushing pencils. His dark schemes has to be exposed. http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/ one of UMNOs messengers of evil !

  5. #5 by OrangRojak on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 12:46 pm

    he said he had not read the Star
    So he doesn’t know what he said? How odd.

  6. #6 by dawsheng on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 1:03 pm

    Another classic example of journalism prostitution.

  7. #7 by sinnerconman on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 1:05 pm

    Non-Muslims have been always assured that they will not be subject to any Islamic laws like the hudud and the qisas. Assurances are just words which after a period of time will be put aside and by then it will be too late with 3 consequences.

    1) Non-Muslims converting to Islam by force.
    2) Non-Muslims paying a humiliating tax (jizzia).
    3) Non-Muslims be put to death.
    4) Non-Muslims be forced to go to “hell or the garden”. Thanks and no thanks.

    http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/2008/11/23islam-is-the-true-religion-other-religions-are-false.

  8. #8 by GreenBug on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 1:23 pm

    YB Kit, demand a correction and an apology. These BN propagandists should know better than to do such shameless things. Otherwise, take the legal recourse! We are all just as fed-up with the entire BN machinery!

  9. #9 by Kelvenho on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 1:52 pm

    Everybody knows that the Star has changed its management.
    Therefore the paper will report more anti opposition news and lies.
    We should boycott the Star paper and read more online information
    news.

  10. #10 by Saint on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 2:00 pm

    Salary for Baradan is from UMNO – I guess only.
    Comment is free but Facts are sacred.

  11. #11 by Anak KenyahLang on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 3:29 pm

    Baradan MUDAH LUPA = Mahathir Melayu Mudah Lupa.

  12. #12 by wanderer on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 4:06 pm

    Lapdog journalists have no sense of resposiblity for whatever they write, as long as they can please their masters. OTK has continued harping on the same tune…is’nt this obvious the beggars are at work?
    MCA scumbags, let me remind you that DAP has better moral standing and integrity than all you BN parties put together.
    As for this journalist Baradan, verifies your facts. Take the challenge up to YB LKS if you think you were correct in your posting or, apologise like a man if you have distorted the facts.

  13. #13 by eloofk on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 4:16 pm

    A Star in the making from the spinning mill.

  14. #14 by A true Malaysian on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 4:23 pm

    This Baradan Kuppusamy appears in everywhere. His articles can be found in Malaysiakini and The Malaysian Insider.

    One of his article that attracted me is titled In Chennai, a new party for Indians in Malaysia, where he also implicated DAP as a Chinese party. But from the readers comments, almost all don’t buy his ‘logic’. You all can read here,

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/15344-in-chennai-a-new-party-for-indians-in-malaysia

    A comment by Honest view gained the most popularity votes of 26 out of 31 comments. I reproduce here for all to read,

    Malaysian Indian should give full support to DAP
    written by Honest view, January 06, 2009
    My honest view on Malaysian Indian marginalization which gave birth to Hindraf should be tackled not on racial point of view, which in this case Indian.

    DAP, one of the oldest multiracial party in Malaysia, are being perceived as a Chinese party simply because its memberships are Chinese majority. No thank to MSM to this wrong perception. If DAP is a racist Chinese party, by right we can’t see MPs like P.Patto, V David, Karpal Singh, Kulasegaran, just to name a few, being nominated to contest and win in general elections. Just compare to BN, how many Indian MP that they have as compared to the whole of Pakatan Rakyat or just at DAP level.

    Setting up of another Indian party would not help in solving the Malaysian Indian dilemma. One thing for sure, Hindraf should not have the mentality of only Indian can help Indian. They must discard such mentality. If not, you guys are back to square like BN mentality.

    _____________

    All these responses proved to Baradan that Malaysians are not blind and stupid. Their eyes are clear and not being blurred by these smokescreens that he created all over. He in fact, has lost his creditability as far as I am concerned.

  15. #15 by shortie kiasu on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 5:17 pm

    Many people like us do not read Star anyway.

    One of the reasons is the poor standard and the low quality of reporting and editing by the paper, such as what is now happening with this kind of journalists of the like of Baradan Kuppusamy, hanging around in the pffice of the Star.

    Not to worry, we give no credence to what are being written or reported in the Star. We have our minds and our cross reference sources.

    In any case Star belongs to MCA. So, what more can the public expect from the standard and quality of reporting and editing by the Star other than those skewed in favour of the owner (controlling stakeholder) of the paper, MCA and be its propaganda machine?

  16. #16 by jedyoong on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 5:18 pm

    It’s highly unlikely that you or Teresa would have taken such a stand.
    The Star is highly fictional at times…..

  17. #17 by FY Lim on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 5:30 pm

    YB Kit,

    Although Baradan may apologised, the damage is already done.
    His twisting and spinning of facts is a mastery and art done under the veil of journalism which had been prostituted to an extent beyond repair.

    The piece was wriiten and calculated to appear at the time of the KT by-election to ” scare ” the Chinese voters and to vote for BN.
    Fat hopes as the voters are now more informed and could not be fooled by such scum reporting.

    Putting words in politicians mouth has now become an art among BN’s sponsored spin journalists.

    Just imagine what you write in the paper, you did not view it as yet ! Rubbish reply and the article is not even fit for the wastepaper basket.

    Others like MCA’s Roger Tan who were given space in the Star and NST to spin stories.

    However, their piece cannot fool all the people all the time.Thats why the readership for the Star and NST is not going up as expected.

  18. #18 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 5:39 pm

    Baradan Kuppusamy (“BK”) is supposedly a veteran journalist.

    I believe the statement written by him in The Star “Analysis” that LKS takes exception is “they (meaning LKS & Theresa Kok) defend their association with PAS by arguing that hudud and qisas laws are only for Muslims, an argument also advanced by Opposition Leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim while campaigning in Kuala Terengganu”.

    BK is right about Anwar though, who is attributed to have said that the party (meaning PKR) will not reject outright PAS’s plan to implement the Hudud, as it was solely for Muslims, a point immediately contradicted publicly by DAP national chairman Karpal Singh who said Anwar was wrong on this score, and went on to reiterate Malaysian Constitution/law was secular as confirmed by 1988 Supreme Court case [Che Omar bin Che Soh vs Public Prosecutor (1988)] presided by Tun Salleh Abas.

    I don’t know about whether Teresa Kok did agree or not agree with what Anwar said but as far as I know, LKS is simply too veteran a politician to have followed Anwar’s mistake.

    As far as I know LKS’s response (on 22nd December 08) to PAS Husam Musa’s statement that PAS would implement hudud if Pakatan Rakyat took over the Federal Government was that “Hukum hudud is not Pakatan Rakyat policy and it is for Husam to clarify what he actually said” – which is a stretch from what BK attributed to LKS (jointly with Theresa) to have taken position of.

    There is a world of difference in what Anwar has said (which he has not denied) and what LKS has said, whi ch is different, and to that extent BK has committed a error of fact.

    Unless BK could cite the exact report by which LKS has made such a claim attributed to him by BK, it would be appropriate for BK to retract and apologise to LKS.

  19. #19 by Godfather on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 6:02 pm

    Money talks, bullsh!t walks.

  20. #20 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 6:42 pm

    “However, non-Malays bottled their fears and accepted PAS on March 8 after it dropped its Islamic state dreams for a welfare state. They also believed Anwar would be able to bottle up the worst aspects of PAS.”

    All this is good for the local bottling industry.

  21. #21 by Godfather on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 6:53 pm

    You mean the local betting industry, don’t you ?

  22. #22 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 6:57 pm

    Kaki botol, not kaki judi.

  23. #23 by Godfather on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 7:00 pm

    Is there a brewery in KT ?

  24. #24 by Jong on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 7:02 pm

    I think Anwar should stop playng with words. It may not be good for PKR.

  25. #25 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 7:07 pm

    So what do you want him to play with?

  26. #26 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 7:12 pm

    They say if you play too much you may go blind.

  27. #27 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 7:39 pm

    YB Kit,

    You & the DAP have so far tried to navigate and walk the thin line between (1) collaborating with PAS in an electoral coalition PR to fight the BN and (2) reject, at the same time, PAS’s reiteration of their commitment to form the theocratic Islamic state in deviation from PR’s common manifesto or objectives.

    Yours and DAP’s intentions are good. The “good” intentions are to join force with PKR & PAS in a united electoral front, to fight the BN at KT by election to bring the much overdue sky change in Malaysian political landscape by dislodging the moribund BN.

    We know the arguments. An electoral coalition like PR – as distinct from a governing coalition – does not, at this stage, require ideologically compatible partners. The main imperative is to win the next election, which neither of the 3 of its alone or even in combination of 2 could otherwise achieve without the combined force of 3.

    You are also cheered on by all alienated Malaysians. The prevailing sentiments of many are that the BN has 50 years of proven depredations as compared to ‘yet to be proven’ ‘horrors’ of PAS’s theocratic state, which in any case is not so easily achievable in view of present demographic realities (over 40% Non Muslims) not to count an unknown number of moderate Muslims, Civil Society & NGOs, PKR & DAP and whatever other parties that have joined by then PR, when it wins, as well as whatever left of BN in the opposition. So weighing proven evils against unproven one, subject in any case to the above caveats, many would back the continued collaboration of DAP with PAS within PR, as a lesser unpalatable choice in light of the existing constraints of the absence of viable alternative.

    Even then it is clear that yours and DAP actions must not be seen as helping and strengthening PAS to facilitate or accelerate its realisation of its agenda through the platform of collaboration within PR.

    This is because your good intentions by themselves alone are not enough or translatable to permissibility of actions. What ultimately matters is the expected probable consequences of the actions that flow from such intentions, and the fact intentions are good make no difference if they result in “bad” consequences of PAS’s agenda being facilitated or accelerated. (Just like providing large quantities of sleeping pills to a neighbour to help in his insomnia when one also knows that he has neurotic and suicidal tendencies does not justify the good intention of helping him sleep, when he actually takes all to go into a permanent sleep!)

  28. #28 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 7:42 pm

    Jong is right that “Anwar should stop playing with words”.

    Here your position, as elder statesman of DAP is challenged as to why you continue electoral collaboration with PAS, helping its candidate to win KT by election, when even Anwar has made clear that the party (meaning PKR) will not reject outright PAS’s plan to implement the Hudud, as it was solely for Muslims.

    Yes Anwar was refering to PKR’s position – and not PR’s position but in a coalition consisting of only 3, 2 (PAS with PKR’s acquiescence) is majority and tantamount to the same thing that PR is ok (by majority) to ac quiescence if not endorsement of PAS’s objectives.

    Does that not imply your statement “Hukum hudud is not Pakatan Rakyat policy” is now contradicted albeit indirectly by Anwar’s statement (uncontradicted by you) and has no basis to stand within the PR political firmament?

    Does this not mean that you & the DAP are ineffective to stop the establishment of PAS’s theocratic Islamic state when PR is provided the opportunity to make the transition from an electoral coalition to a governing coalition if PR wins the next election with DAP’s help?

    Does that not mean that you and DAP have, in spite of good intentions, facilitated or accelerated an undesirable result of helping PAS’s realisation of its agenda sooner than it otherwise could have done on its own?

    There may be good pragmatic reasons why you have not contradicted Anwar, like the way Karpal did but this is one of the thrusts of Baradan Kuppusamy’s accusations going far beyond and arguably of greater importance than his commission of error of fact of what you allegedly said (with Theresa).

    Whilst he was wrong about what you said, he wasn’t, regarding what you did not say.

    This will remain fodder for critics like Baradan Kuppusamy to continuously question and point contradictions of yours and the DAP’s moral position in continuing in this ideologically mismatched coalition for so long as DAP still maintains its stand for Secular Malaysia against PAS’s Islamic state.

  29. #29 by OrangRojak on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 8:53 pm

    Jeffrey did you see Anwar in the BBC videos I referred to in another recent thread? He looks as though he could use a bit more practice at fielding questions from criticial journalists.

    In the video he says he won’t compromise on freedom of conscience and freedom of expression, and that includes the right to demand an Islamic state. He gets his message out in the end, I think. If I understand him correctly, he’s saying nothing that need upset DAP nor PAS.

  30. #30 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 8:57 pm

    He’s saying “Everything is fair, in love and in war”.

  31. #31 by Jong on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 9:29 pm

    YB Kit,

    Jeffrey has a point there. What you did not say, they are needling for your comment and stand.

    Time to nip it in the bud, Sir!

  32. #32 by LBJ on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 9:34 pm

    I guess with the change in management in STAR, the professionals there will have to sell their souls to continue working there. The rice bowl will have to take precedence of one’s professionalism.

    Sad time indeed.

  33. #33 by simon041155 on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 10:57 pm

    “He said he read it in a report but he was unable to recall which report.”

    And you call that veteran? That’s degrading the term “veteran”. The standard of journalism in Malaysia is indeed atrocious, or is it just the Star? And I wonder whether Baradan will be able to recall if he had wrongfully reported on UMNO leaders and standing in front of the police. (Well, in Malaysia, the ruling party and government is one and the same as far as the Malaysian police is concerned.)

  34. #34 by Godfather on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 10:57 pm

    Just don’t listen to the anti-Islamists in our midst. The type that talks a lot of hot air with no substance.

  35. #35 by Godfather on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 11:00 pm

    Some people will just shamelessly continue to push for a divorce when both parties have agreed to reconcile. Worse, these people are not even supporters or members of the DAP.

  36. #36 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 11:43 pm

    Jong Says:

    Today at 21: 29.13 (2 hours ago)
    YB Kit,

    Time to nip it in the bud, Sir!”

    Nipped in the butt?? Ouch…!

  37. #37 by limkamput on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 11:45 pm

    smile and walk away. go back to kampung attap.

  38. #38 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 11:50 pm

    Godfather Says:

    Today at 23: 00.32 (42 minutes ago)
    Some people will just shamelessly continue to push for a divorce when both parties have agreed to reconcile.”

    If a partner is unwilling or/and unable to consummate the marriage, or have irreconcilable differences divorce would end the pain and suffering. Jeffrey QC feels the pain.

  39. #39 by chengho on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 11:51 pm

    Kit and ms Kok just make pr announcement like Karpal outright rejection under the constitution . According to the report from KT Hadi did said that Kit fully understood the Huddud law now.
    Makaal Sakthi..

  40. #40 by Godfather on Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 11:53 pm

    Who is the lawyer to dictate as to what the two mature parties should do ? I mean the advice has been given ad nauseam, and the advice has been rejected, and the two parties are still seen in public together. Yet the lawyer is still sniping at their heels.

    Kit should just say “beat it, dog” and try to kick it away. Now that could make the dog feel the pain.

  41. #41 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 12:20 am

    “Yet the lawyer is still sniping at their heels.” Gerodfather

    The lawyer is only trying to make sure he gets paid. he is only trying to collect what is his.

  42. #42 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 12:26 am

    But we don’t know what the Cambridge upstart is trying to collect! Maybe he’s just trying to show off his ‘skills’.

  43. #43 by imranj78 on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 12:32 am

    Baradan should clearly back up its claim to support his report and his credibility. Failing so, the least he could do is retract his statement.

  44. #44 by Jong on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 12:37 am

    Yeah, and the lawyer needs to settle his mortgage too and put food on the table.

  45. #45 by m.hwang on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 12:45 am

    I continue to read The Star these days…for the classifieds! The first 6 pages is utter rubbish and the Sports page can’t beat NST. IMHO The Sun is still the best English MSM at present.

  46. #46 by wanderer on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 12:56 am

    chengho are you paid to sing your balless OTK’s tune. As expected, MCA dogs are good at sniffing between the legs. Be warned, if Hudud Law is introduced, MCA top leaders will not only be armless, they will be balless!

  47. #47 by Godfather on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 12:56 am

    imranj78 Says:

    Today at 00: 32.05 (16 minutes ago)
    Baradan should clearly back up its claim to support his report and his credibility. Failing so, the least he could do is retract his statement.

    You gotta be kidding. According to our world-renowned lawyer, Baradan was right in what Kit did NOT say. Hence the question of retracting his statement does not arise.

  48. #48 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 1:31 am

    Jong Says:

    Today at 00: 37.31 (52 minutes ago)
    Yeah, and the lawyer needs to settle his mortgage too and put food on the table.”

    Some not only want to put food on the table but they want to put their left foot on the table as well.

  49. #49 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 1:37 am

    Godfather Says:

    Today at 00: 56.30 (37 minutes ago)
    You gotta be kidding. According to our world-renowned lawyer…\

    The wannabe lawyer from Cambridge renowned for his logical thinking ways?? Has he got Sijil or not??

  50. #50 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 5:19 am

    Anwar is in a dilemma.

    To lead the Pakatan Rakyat to political victory, he perceives he can’t afford to alienate any segment of the Muslim community including the conservative segment in sympathy with PAS’s ideology. And yet he needs to secure support of alienated non muslim Malaysians as well as moderate muslims against PAS’s hardline approach. So he tries to hone his stand – for he surely knows he will be pressed for it – by the press and BN’s political rivals. He aims at striking a delicate balance – to satisfy and allay concerns of all opposing sides on the Hudud/Islamic state issue, a slight misstep in nuance of which would alienate both sides and satisify no one!

    So he came out with this brain wave : there was no blanket answer on hudud ; he would not emulate what TDM did, ie oppose and reject hudud law out right. If Muslims wanted it, he asked why not. He went on further to say that opposition parties understood Islam and that its legislative aspects should NOT just be confined to Syariah family or civil law. Of course he did not say that if he led the PR government, he would definitely accept Hudud implementation. He added the caveat that PKR was not willing to commit itself until all parameters of the implementation of hudud were clearly defined and deliberated with its Pakatan Rakyat partners (including presumably DAP).

    The salient points are that in saying that its legislative aspects should not just be confined to Syariah family or civil law, he was opening the door ajar for a passage way for demands of PAS to slip through including Hudud, justified on basis that if Muslim wanted it, why not. He also admitted that this divisive issue of Hudud issue had never even been discussed among leaders of the PR coalition.

    This places the DAP in a very difficult position because when it came together with PKR and PAS to form the electoral coalition PR, it was on basis of common agreed principles to oppose bad governance on BN’s part and not pave the way for Hudud/Islamic state. In admitting that this divisive issue of Hudud issue had never even been discussed among leaders of the PR coalition, it means that it is not part of the common understanding forming the common electoral pact. This further means that one can construe what he says as constituting a paradigm shift of at least his and PKR’ s position.

    His caveat that all within PR would be consulted will not assuage Non Muslims and moderate M uslims’ concerns because PR is made up of 3 partners, and such a paradigm shift by 2 out of 3 will put Kit and DAP in a tight corner and mocks at the validity of DAP’s claim ie that “Hukum hudud is not Pakatan Rakyat policy”. How is that tenable any more? [Which in part explains why DAP Karpal Singh broke his silence and said Anwar was wrong, citing 1988 Supreme Court case of Che Omar].

    Anwar may need to do what he thinks he needs to do to defeat BN based on pragmatic realpolitik but whether what he does/says is really “pragmatic” to help PR’ s cause is open to question.

    Although many people want change from BN’s 50 years hegemony, they are not unconcerned as to what or where this change is leading to. They want to know that they can trust a leader who is not a chameleon speaking situationally different tones/nuances to different audiences depending on race, religion and culture based on pragmatic considerations of how to garner maximum votes regardless of principles.

    In trying to hone his message to please all sides of the Hudud debate, he may end up pleasing no one, and certainly embarrasing his coalition partner DAP in a quandary as to how to maintain the claim “Hukum hudud is not Pakatan Rakyat policy”. His ambivalence will infect like a virus the DAP’s leaders who, except for outspoken Karpal, are disinclined to openly contradict the defacto head and show schisms in the coalition. However this will not shield them from being continuously made fodder by the likes of people like MCA OKT who contradicted what Kit said and Baradan Kuppusamy, for what Kit did not say….

    It is difficult to see how by such of Anwar’s actions/words, that basi cally undermies the DAP’s position, he is being “pragmatic” in service of the PR’s cause. It is likely to backfire and alienate the DAP from its traditional supporters in disservice to the P R’s Cause.

    This is the point I want to make in my earlier postings, lest they are being misunderstood.

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