Yesterday at 21: 48.47
Undergrad2,

“I told you some time ago that you are free to exibit your knowlege or the lack of it…”

Like I said earlier, to equate the Middle East conflict to a game of badminton is to trivialize the deaths of thousands who laid down their lives in defense of what they believe is just and fair. It has nothing to do with lack of knowledge. It is common sense.

As from Jan.20th, the President of the US will be a black (or colored to be more precise). I very much doubt the KKK will hang their President.

I told you some time ago that you are free to exibit your knowlege or the lack of it, but please do not involve me. This is just a reminder.

Today at 11: 22.15 (9 hours ago)
“Are the facts listed below “proportionate”? Islamic terrorists murder more people everyday than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years”

If you let KKK have their way, they’d hang you and every Jew, Asian and not just blacks they see from the nearest tree. I don’t believe they will do the same with a white Muslim.

This harangue would be nothing new on television in the Islamic world; in fact, it is commonplace. What is unique about Sultan’s threats against America is that he holds U.S. permanent residency status and, according to one federal law enforcement official, travels regularly on a U.S. passport. And as I have reported elsewhere, Sultan is pursuing U.S. citizenship (the status of his application is unknown due to federal privacy laws). Thus, Salah Sultan has lived quite comfortably for more than a decade under the protections of the very country he now threatens with death and destruction.

pajamasmedia.com/blog/top-american-islamic-cleric-threatens-us-on-egyptian-tv/

Mao Zedog 43 million
Pol Pot 3 million

and your point is what? Who should we bomb first? I think of Farish Noor as ‘an Islamist’, but I don’t think he kills anyone, although I thought on one occasion he had bored me almost to death. Even if I had actually shuffled off my mortal coil while reading one of his articles, I still wouldn’t wish him any harm.

I prefer to think of people who slaughter perfectly reasonable, normal people as ‘criminals’, ‘the insane’ or ‘idiots’, regardless of their claimed affiliations. It is on this basis I decry military action on the scale of mass destruction against them. It doesn’t matter how many people they kill, a state declaring war on individuals doesn’t make any sense, and it never will. The only consequence of war on individuals is dead non-combatants and a surge in recruitment to whatever idiotic ideal the individuals espouse.

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

Islamic terrorists murder more people everyday than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the total number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.

Article Seven: The Universality of Hamas

By virtue of the distribution of Muslims, who pursue the cause of the Hamas, all over the globe, and strive for its victory, for the reinforcement of its positions and for the encouragement of its Jihad, the Movement is a universal one………
The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

Right where I’ve always been when small groups have been making life a misery for very much larger groups: wondering what the answer is. I don’t think comparing the situation in Gaza to the UK and the IRA is very useful in the long run – it’s too easy to find any small difference between the two situations. The problem in Ireland was arguably caused by the UK’s expansion, and went on for more than a hundred years. Israel’s formation and expansion is much more recent, and more painful for the amount of information available and how quickly news travels today.

Israel is not the only country in the world, even last month, to suffer misery at the hands of small groups of murdering malcontents. South of Thailand? While I continue to wonder what to do, I observe that very few countries respond to similar problems by blockade and full scale military assaults.

What is so much worse in Israel that full scale military assault is justified there and not elsewhere? I do not claim to have an understanding of the problems in the Middle East as complete as a referee at a chess match. In my ignorance, I cannot equate recent events there with ‘proportionate’.

Somw may say it ultimately boils down to this: If u worry about morals, don’t get into a war; and if u worry about a war, there isn’t time for morals.

Yesterday at 21: 41.42
When the term ‘disproportionate use of power’ is used as a basis to condemn a war, would it mean then that a proportionate response is acceptable? It would then imply that a proportionate use of power would be able to keep both parties engaged in a war …”

Stop bloviating!

You must be using the Circle Line going back and forth from Nottinghill Gate to Tower Hill (where Jack the Ripper used to walk). I lived at the end of the Central Line. Nowhere near Small India where everybody is a Paki (short for potential terrorist).

It is such a premise (true or imagined ) that leads to confrontation among peoples.

If inflicted death and suffering are so despised and unacceptable, then the wars waged are equally despicable and objectionable and should be avoided at all cost.

Hence the current military conflict cannot be accepted or justified, either by the Israelis or the Palestinians. The perpetrators on both divide must be charged and indicted for war crimes, mostly for the killing of the innocents and the unnecessary destruction of properties and belongings, and the right to peaceful existence.

By right, no war is justifiable or could be justified.

When there is such a diversity of opinions and interests (self ), there are bound to be conflicts and disagreements. This is very evident even in this particular blog. Just imagine how such a small difference in world-view could multiply to become a full-blown and large scale war ( of words, and in the very real, cunning, selfish and cruel, and sometimes evil world of ours, into a real physical military war).

The question is how do we come to a compromise and come to a peaceful and amicable conclusion which is acceptable and good for all?

The distorted human nature is such that people would try to secure their own position and interest first, and then only would they consider those of others. It is this selfish and inconsiderate trait of human that contributes most to the turbulence, atrocities, inhumane conclusions, and all the troubles and problems that had besieged mankind since time immemorial.

Back to the question : when will we ever learn, just when will we ever learn…?

Surely there must be a permanent solution to this seemingly elusive and paradoxical human failing.

Therein, lies FAITH.

If there is true faith, most of the sufferings and shortcomings of mankind would be solved. It is precisely due to the lack of faith that the problems that we see and observed continue to stalk mankind. Evil begets evil. And surely, faith begets faith.

There must be a convergence of faiths in order to usher in true peace and harmony amongst the peoples of the world. If we choose to be confrontational, how do we expect to achieve agreement, let alone a long lasting one? If we choose to be belligerent, how could there be peace and calm? If we choose to be cynical, how could we have trust?

In the quest for more knowledge, material wealth and positions, it seems that mankind had forgotten to be human. Human nature in the uncorrupted state is amiable; until it is twisted and affected by conflicting and me-first positioning that the evil form begins to take shape. And, as often said, the rest is history.

What we will accomplish eventually depends entirely on how true we are to our senses and how sensible we choose to be. Simple, but true.

I applaud such concern for the sufferings of fellow human beings. So, where and when were you objecting when the rockets were fired at Israel where other human beings were being put in danger?

At no point in the Irish Republican Army’s campaign did the UK use bombs or tanks against them. Even over-zealous SAS ‘hits’ were heavily criticised and even the subject of successful legal actions against. I remember a Private Eye front cover, just after the “Death on the Rock” episode in Gibraltar, showing SAS snipers on rooftops with speech bubbles “why did you shoot him 39 times?” “because I ran out of bullets”. Perhaps the Troubles could have been brought to a precipitous end by carpet bombing Ireland, but I suspect it would have hardened people’s attitudes in the long run.

“Bombing back to the Stone Age” has only recently become fashionable again. Objecting to it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, and everything to do with concern for my fellow humans.