The United Nations Secretary-General Bank Ki-moon must spearhead the world condemnation of Israeli invasion of Gaza.
The failure of the United Nations Security Council to call for an immediate ceasefire and the role of the United States government in blocking a United Nations Security Council ceasefire resolution must be deplored by all peace-loving nations and peoples.
The United States President-Elect Barrack Obama, who will be inaugurated as US President in a forthnight’s time, should pledge to end all US carte blache support to Israeli aggression under his administration.
The Israeli invasion of Gaza, wreaking death and destruction, chalking up a death toll of more than 510 people, mostly civilian casualties including women and children, is a crime against humanity.
Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on the planet with roughly 1.5 million people which even prior to the most recent escalation was undergoing a humanitarian crisis as the region has been held under siege for almost 18 months and was already struggling with lack of food, medical supplies, power, and other necessities.
The governments of the world must support all international efforts to condemn the Israeli invasion of Gaza, call for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza imposed by the United Nations and backed unequivocally by the United States to create sustainable peace in the Middle East.

#1 by Godfather on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 12:34 pm
“An eye for an eye leaves both parties blind.” Mahatma Gandhi.
So Hamas lobs hundreds of rocket shells into Israel territory. A few Israelis get killed. Now Israeli uses all its US sponsored military might against Hamas, and kills hundreds in return. The punishment does not fit the crime.
Reminds me of the little red dot which puts all its political opponents into bankruptcy for saying the wrong things. Sigh. This is the world we live in.
#2 by Godfather on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 12:36 pm
We all know that might is right. Bolehland is so full of such examples. Unless the Palestinians have some might, they can never be right.
#3 by OrangRojak on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 12:57 pm
Ban Ki-moon did call for a ceasefire:
BBC News Monday, 29 December 2008
Ban Ki-moon: Ceasefire must be declared
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7803881.stm
I’d be shocked and delighted if you got Obama to do anything remotely similar. As president of the USA, I think he’d have an easier time banning guns. Israel must not be supported if it is going to impose collective punishment on its neighbours.
I was pleased to read about the demonstrations in London, and people throwing shoes at the gates of Downing Street. Leaders don’t represent all of their people, all of the time, in any country.
#4 by Prasad on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 12:59 pm
If the world were to condemn and voice out their outrage against Hamas attacks then I can see the point of condemning Israel’s attack.
The world response seem equally unfair in their responce. If you are going to condemn condemn both side for starting the wars. Who is sponsoring Hamas.
You condemn the US and Israel but you need to condemn Syria and Hamas too.
Every life is precious, both sides should be condemn.
#5 by AhPek on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 1:09 pm
Hamas is not completely the innocent party they would want the rest of the world to see.If we have to condemn,then we must condemn both sides for choosing bloodshed over talk to settle their differences.
#6 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 1:46 pm
There have been claims and counter-claims on both sides. Frankly, I do not really know which side of the story I should believe. Thus, I’ve got no strong opinion on this matter. However, most of us in Malaysia are only exposed to one side of the story. It’s high time that we heard the other side of the story. Below is an article exerpted from Jerusalem Post. I’ve got no opinion on the claims and arguments of the article. Readers have to make up their own minds. My purpose of posting it here is not to endorse its content, but to encourage Malaysians to hear both sides of the story.
Sunday Jan 04, 2009
Double Standard Watch: Israel’s actions are lawful and commendable
by Alan M. Dershowitz
Israel’s military actions in Gaza are entirely justified under international law, and Israel should be commended for its act of self-defense against international terrorism. Article 51 of the United Nations Charter reserves to every nation the right to engage in self-defense against armed attacks. The only limitation international law places on a democracy is that its actions must satisfy the principle of proportionality. Israel’s actions certainly satisfy that principles.
When Barack Obama visited the city of Sderot this summer, he saw the same things that I had seen during my visit on March 20 of this year. Over the last four years, Palestinian terrorists – in particular, Hamas and Islamic Jihad – have fired more than two thousand rockets at this civilian area, which is home to mostly poor and working-class people. The rockets are designed exclusively to maximize civilian deaths, and some have barely missed schoolyards, kindergartens, hospitals, and school buses. But others hit their targets, killing more than a dozen civilians since 2001, including in February 2008 a father of four who had been studying at the local university. These anticivilian rockets have also injured and traumatized countless children.
The residents of Sderot have fifteen seconds from the launch of the rocket to run into a shelter. The rule is that everyone must always be within fifteen seconds of a shelter, regardless of what they are doing. Shelters are everywhere, but the aged and the physically challenged often have difficulty making it to safety. On the night I was in Sderot, a rocket landed nearby, but there had been no “red alert.” The warning system is far from foolproof.
Part 1 (to be continued)
#7 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 1:47 pm
(part 2)
In most parts of the world, the first words learned by toddlers are “mommy” and “daddy.” In Sderot, they are “red alert.” The police chief of Sderot showed me hundreds of rocket fragments that had been recovered. Many bore the name of the terrorist group that had fired the deadly missiles. Although firing deliberately to kill civilians is a war crime, the terrorists who fired at the civilians of Sderot were proud enough of their crimes to “sign” their murderous weapons. They know that in the real world in which we live, they will never be prosecuted for their murders and attempted murders.
Barack Obama reacted to what he had seen in Sderot by saying that if his two daughters were exposed to rocket attacks in their own homes, he would do everything in his power to stop such attacks. I hope and believe that President Obama will take the same position he did as candidate Obama.
The residents of Sderot were demanding that their nation take action to protect them. Most seem to agree with the Israeli decision to end its occupation of the Gaza Strip, to withdraw its soldiers and settlers despite the reality that during the occupation, rocket attacks increased against the residents of Sderot. But Israel’s post-occupation military options were limited, since Hamas deliberately fires its deadly rockets from densely populated urban areas, and the Israeli Army has a strict policy of trying to avoid civilian casualties.
The firing of rockets at civilians from densely populated civilian areas is the newest tactic in the war between terrorists who love death and democracies that love life. The terrorists have learned how to exploit the morality of democracies against those who do not want to kill civilians, even enemy civilians. In one recent incident, Israeli intelligence learned that a particular house was being used to manufacture and store rockets. It was a clear military target since their rockets were being fired at Israeli civilians. But the house was also being lived in by a family. So the Israeli military phoned the house, informed the owner that it was a military target, and gave him thirty minutes to leave with his family before the house was attacked. The owner called Hamas, which immediately sent dozens of mothers carrying babies to stand on the roof of the house. Hamas knew that Israel would never fire at a home with civilians in it. They also knew that if, by some fluke, the Israeli authorities did not learn that there were civilians in the house, and fired on it, Hamas would win a public relations victory by displaying the dead civilians to the media. In this case, Israel did learn of the civilians and withheld its fire. The rockets that were spared destruction by the human shields were then used against Israeli civilians.
(to be continued)
#8 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 1:48 pm
(part 3)
This, in a nutshell, is the dilemma faced by democracies with a high level of morality. The Hamas tactic would not have worked against the Russians in Chechnya. When the Russians were fired upon, they fired against civilians without hesitation. Nor would it work in Darfur, where janjaweed militias have killed thousands of civilians and displaced 2.5 million in order to get the rebels who were hiding among them. Certain tactics work only against moral enemies who care deeply about minimizing civilian casualties.
Over the past months, a shaky cease-fire, organized by Egypt was in effect. Hamas agreed to stop the rockets and Israel agreed to stop taking military action against Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip. The cease-fire itself was morally dubious and legally asymmetrical.
Israel, in effect, was saying to Hamas: if you stop engaging in the war crime of targeting our innocent civilians, we will stop engaging in the entirely lawful military acts of targeting your terrorists. Under the cease-fire, Israel reserved the right to engage in self-defense actions such as attacking terrorists who were in the course of firing rockets at its civilians.
Just before the hostilities began, Israel offered Hamas both a carrot and a stick. Israel reopened checkpoints to allow humanitarian aid to reenter Gaza. It had closed these point of entry after they had been targeted by Gaza rockets. Israel’s prime minister also issued a stern, final warning to Hamas that unless it stopped the rockets, there would be a full scale military response. This is the way Reuters reported it:
Israel reopened border crossings with the Gaza Strip on Friday, a day after Prime Minister warned militants there to stop firing rockets or they would pay a heavy price. Despite the movement of relief supplies, militants fired about a dozen rockets and mortar shafts from Gaza at Israel on Friday. One accidentally struck a house in Gaza, killing two Palestinian sisters, ages 5 and 13…the deliveries could ease the tensions that might have led to a military action to end the rocket attacks. Palestinian workers at the crossings said fuel had arrived for Gaza’s main power plant and about a hundred trucks loaded with grain, humanitarian aid and other goods were expected during the day.”
The Hamas rockets continued and Israel kept its word, implementing a carefully prepared targeted air attack against Hamas targets.
(to be continued)
#9 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 1:49 pm
(Part 4)
On Sunday, I spoke to the Air Force General, now retired, who worked on the planning of the attack. He told me of the intelligence and planning that had gone into preparing for the contingency that the military option might become necessary. The Israeli Air Force had pinpointed with precision the exact locations of Hamas structures, in an effort to minimize civilian casualties. Even Hamas sources acknowledged that the vast majority of those killed have been Hamas terrorists though some civilian casualties are inevitable when–as BBC’s Rushdi Abou Alouf, who is certainly not pro Israel–reported that “the Hamas security compounds are in the middle of the city.” Indeed his home balcony from which he observed the bombing of a compound was 20 meters from that military target.
There have been three types of international response to the Israeli military actions against the Hamas rockets. Not surprisingly, Iran, Hamas, and other knee-jerk Israeli-bashers have argued that the Hamas rocket attacks against Israeli civilians are entirely legitimate, and that the Israeli counterattacks are war crimes. Equally unsurprising is the response of the United Nations, the European Union, Russia, and others who, at least when it comes to Israel, see a moral and legal equivalence between terrorists who target civilians and a democracy that responds by targeting the terrorists.
The most dangerous of the three responses is not the Iranian-Hamas absurdity, which is largely ignored by thinking and moral people, but the United Nations and European Union response, which equate the willful murder of civilians with legitimate self-defense pursuant to Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This false moral equivalence only encourages terrorists to persist in their unlawful actions against civilians. The United States has it exactly right by placing the blame on Hamas, while urging Israel to do everything possible to minimize civilian casualties.
There are some who claim that Israel has violated the principle of proportionality by killing so many more Hamas terrorists than the number of Israeli civilians killed by Hamas rockets. That is an absurd misapplication of the concept of proportionality for at least two reasons.
First, there is no legal equivalence between the deliberate killing of innocent civilians and the deliberate killings of Hamas combatants. Under the laws of war, any number of combatants can be killed to prevent the killing of even one innocent civilian.
Second, proportionality is not measured by the number of civilians actually killed, but rather by the risk of civilian death and the intentions of those targeting civilians. Hamas seeks to kill as many civilians as it can. It aims its rockets in the general direction of schools, hospitals, playgrounds and other entirely civilian targets. The fact that it has not killed as many civilians as it would have liked to is a tribute to Israel’s enormous devotion of resources to the building of shelters and to the construction of early warning systems.
Hamas, on the other hand, refuses to build shelters, precisely because it wants to maximize the number of Palestinian civilians inadvertently killed by Israel’s military actions. It knows, from experience, that when it forces Israel to take military actions that result in the deaths of even a small number of innocent Palestinian civilians, many in the international community will condemn Israel. Israel understands this sad reality as well, and goes to enormous lengths to reduce the number of civilian casualties, even to the point of foregoing legitimate targets that are too close to civilian areas. Accordingly, Israel’s actions satisfy the principle of proportionality as well as the principle of self-defense against armed attack.
Until and unless the United Nations and the rest of the international community recognize that Hamas is committing three war crimes–targetting Israeli civilians, using their own civilians as human shields and seeking the destruction of a member state of the United Nations–and that Israel is acting in self-defense and out of military necessity, the conflict will continue and perhaps escalate. If Israel succeeds in destroying the terrorist organization Hamas, it may well lay the foundation for a real peace between the Palestinian Authority and Israel. But if Hamas persists in its capacity to target increasing numbers of Israeli citizens, Israel will have no choice but to persist in its self-defense efforts.
No democracy would do otherwise.
(the end)
#10 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 1:55 pm
oops… ‘…excerpted…’
#11 by sheriff singh on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 2:06 pm
It is most unfortunate that about 20% of those killed are innocent civilians but to say that Israel is commiting a cruel act against humanity is I think not fair.
Who are the Hamas? No matter what you might want to label them, they are still militant terrorists who kill and spread terror. Their actions too must be condemned as they deliberately target innocent civilians unlike the Israelis.
Their provocative rocket bombings have resulted in Israeli reaction and retaliation to protect its citizens; this Hamas should have expected. Now 80% of the dead are Hamas militants and I think given that Gaza is the most densely populated region in the world, the “low” civilian casualties might be acceptable although it is much regretted and unfortunate.
Who are Hamas members? Do they wear uniforms and have “Hamas” printed on their foreheads? Most of the time they are somebody’s father, mother, son or daughter – you just really don’t know who. Many of them appear in public in civilian clothes with their faces hidden in balaclavas to hide their identities. And they all live and hide among the general population using the innocent public as shields. Well it would appear that most of them got killed this time along with innocent lives.
The Israelis certainly didn’t wake up one morning and decided to bomb and invade Gaza for no reason. Why did they attack only Gaza and not Jordan, the West Bank, Syria or Lebanon? Why only Gaza?
The Middle East situation is complex and war and violence is not the solution. The people there need to sit down and talk and see what solutions can be achieved peacefully to everyone’s satisfaction. Arafat realised this late in his life and he pursued peace. So is Mahmoud Abbas. But it would appear that Hamas only know the power of the gun and rockets and they are all out to ensure that peace does not happen, else they cease to be relevant.
Why are many people, Malaysian demonstrators included, glorifying and supporting the actions of Hamas and its leaders? Are they not for the peace process? Do they fear peace?
And political parties here must not simply and blindly condemn this
or that because it is the popular thing to do to gain support. I certainly like them, DAP included, to come out with proposals to solve the crisis and bring lasting peace.
#12 by k1980 on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 2:34 pm
The 10 Mumbai jihadists without blinking an eye slaughtered 300 humans in 2 days. If the Israelis had followed the jihadists’ example, 1,500 Gazans would had been killed by 10 Israelis during the past 10 days, that is to say 150,000 Gazans would be killed by 1,000 Israelis since the offensive began.
I am not advocating the taking of human lives, but just to show that Israelis are angels compared to the jihadists.
#13 by waterfrontcoolie on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 2:41 pm
Such incidents bleed all our hearts, that is, casualties of the innocents. So who is to be blamed? Certainly those who claim that they are acting on behalf of the CREATOR!
Having said so, I am equally shocked to read the actions of the Hindus religious leaders in the State of Orissa. To ‘preserve’ their interests, they burnt a young Christian convert to death!
I would certainly sympathize with this poor girl who had not hurt anyone than what I read about the posting here!
By the way, I am NOT a Christian.
Do these people ever think that the CREATOR actually ask them to kill what HE had created?
So long that people are blinded to follow teachings without thinking, a process given by the CREATOR HIMSELF to the human race, then all the results of such stupid interactions should only be read and cast aside!
There is NOTHING anyone can do. As the saying goes ” Do not trouble trouble unless you want trouble to trouble you’!
#14 by Saint on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 3:09 pm
Please let me be a bit cynical this time.
Why are we so worried about the Palestinian issue.
Korea, Vietnam, India and even Euproe was divided after the war.
People have learned to patch up, accommodate and evolve accordingly by their own determination.
To me the Israel / Palestinian / Arab issue is more then just politics. It is “animistic” survival instincts guided by the “eye for an eye” theological doctrine. By freeing Palestine, the Muslim world is not going to stop its atrocious theological concept, nor Israel is going to be satisfied with the limited water resources in has.
This “Israel / Palestinian / Arab” war will go on till kingdom comes. Best we stay clear of the “sins” these people are creating everyday. We must not take sides when the Satan and the Devil is fighting.
#15 by sizzerpac on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 3:15 pm
I wouldn’t condemn Israel at all. They’re just protecting their territory. Wouldn’t any country do the same? After a week of bombing, hundreds of bombs unloaded by Israel, 500 dead. Are they targeting civilians? i don’t think so. Because with that level of bombardment, if they wanted to kill civilians they would’ve killed thousands already.
Palestine and all Arab countries should just accept that Israel is a country, and its a country that showes you a finger when you f@#$ed with them.
#16 by LBJ on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 3:24 pm
Why is the world condemning Israel?
Hamas is the guilty party. Initiating and provoking the violence. It is putting the people at risk. For what?
The only reason I can think of – oil price. Is Hamas the surrogate for the middle east oil companies. Creating a crisis to raise the price of oil.
#17 by 1 United Bangsa Malaysia on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 3:44 pm
Together For 1 Nation, 1 Malaysia as 1 United Bangsa Malaysia
Israel Must Be Stopped From Committing Further War Crimes in the Holy Land
Dear YB LKS and All Malaysians,
Conflicts in Gaza between Israel and Palestine had been so frequent that it is not news anymore. After every incident of aggression and termination of innocent lives in The Holy Land peace will be restored under pressure from The Rest of World not aligned to Israel and citizens of Israel’s allied itself.
The calm achieved is deceptive since permanent solution is not achieved because the real Root Cause(s) to the conflict is not accepted fully. While the World’s leaders heaved a sight of relieve to the dousing of The Conflicts with haphazard Corrective and Preventive Actions like Peace Treaty, Sanctions, Military Aids, Food and Financial Aids, Trade Boycotts etc. the animosity and vengeful hatred of the OPPRESSED who lost their LOVE ONES to THE AGGRESOR sow future CONFLICTS.
The real ROOT CAUSE(s) to the conflict must be accepted fully by both Israel and Palestine for an objective prescription of the right CORRECTIVE and PREVENTIVE ACTIONS to end the CONFLICT PERMANENTLY for lasting peace. To this end one must be ISSUES CENTRED regardless of race and religion and be COURAGEOUS without fear and favor to address THE ISSUES fully.
While Malaysians Leaders showed their outpour of anger against THE AGGRESSOR and SUPPORT for the OPPRESSED from a distance, it is noble but not effective without hands on involvement at the HOT BED of CONFLICTS. Only if the Leaders of The World are UNITED as 1 VOICE and COURAGEOUS to congregate at the HOT BED of CONFLICTS to face the AGGRESSOR, restrain and immediate peace would have been restored instead of Aids and Sanctions , Protests and Boycotts from a distance.
All Malaysians must similarly be UNITED as 1 BANGSA MALAYSIA to be COURAGEOUS to be ISSUES CENTRED to bridge our differences and divides along race/religion/language/political affiliation/believes/cultures/gender; etc etc. as the Time Bomb is Ticking Minutes by Minutes!
Malaysians Leaders; in particular those Privileged Leaders with Power as claimed by some leaders must be ISSUES CENTERED to be with the PULSE of THE RAKYATS at the HOT BED of ISSUES before THESE ISSUES full blown into CONFLICTS. Lets tinker and remember that all man are born equal in the eyes of the Almighty God and yet The World had never been at peace because of WARS by use of Weapons of Mass Destruction which results in physical death, and abuses and manipulation of rights to power of 1 human race over another human race which results in SELF PROCLAIMED SUPERIORITY of the dominant race over all other mankind.
This selfish SELF PROCLAIMED SUPERIORITY of the dominant group will result in oppression and sufferings of the minority groups which sow hatred and SELF AWARENESS of the OPPRESSED GROUPS to their RIGHTS.
Malaysia is made to looks small by the very human race because of human weaknesses of SELF GRATIFICATION, GREED, PRIDE, EGO, and SELF DENIAL of all our failings and SELF DESTRUCTION.
1 United Bangsa Malaysia seek the same issue focus attention of fellow Malaysians to resolve a 11 years old issue close at Home faced by Malaysians Condominium (MC).
Malaysians Condominium (MC) jointly developed by a private developer with land from the Local Council which is now managed by a Joint Management Body (JMB) formed under Act 663 with effect from April 2008 .
The JMB is Chaired by a cohesive minority group with 3 foreigners of the small traders and working class. 4 of the Joint Management Committee members are also related by marriage and blood tie. No audited accounts was presented for 1 decade since 1998. The JMB is also not able to provide any monthly accounts since April 2008 and buy time under Act 663 that the accounts will be audited in due course!
A sum of RM3.2 millions Sinking Funds billed by the developer/property manager appointed by the Local Council since Day 1 was not accounted for.
No action was taken by the JMB on the RM3.2 millions and instead JMB now intends to collect further Sinking Funds from owners although JMB have given notice on 8 May 2008 to owners that JMB waived the 7 sens psf Sinking Funds.
All these are happening with full knowledge of the Authority without any enforcement action made against the JMB to address the issues.
What a fall from grace and Rakyats Malaysia continue to face shoddy maintenance and services and facilities not provided but billed for by the developer/property manager and now The JMB!
Perhaps privileged Malaysian Leaders with Authority and fellow 1 Bangsa Malaysia, may be able to assist to resolve the 1 decade old issues faced by MC?
Rakyats MC do not want a repeat of Bukit Antarabangsa when the 40 odd storey’s MC lifts crashed with lost of lives.
Thank you.
Together for 1 Nation, 1 Malaysia and 1 United Bangsa Malaysia.
#18 by cwimalaysia on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 4:35 pm
The only way to bring real, lasting justice, peace and prosperity to Palestinians and to all the peoples of the region is through common mass struggle against oppression and the pro-capitalist, corrupt regimes. The overthrow of capitalism and landlordism and the creation of a genuine socialist society – putting people before profit and ending poverty – would see real collaboration between all working people of the region, pooling together all the rich resources for the benefit of the many and bringing about real self-determination for the oppressed.
#19 by Tonberry on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 4:37 pm
After giving them Gava, Israel got nothing but rockets in return.
So, it’s clear to all the world that the Palestinians don’t want peace, and never did…
Israel is exercising its legitimate right of self-defense in a conflict triggered by Hamas.
#20 by melurian on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 5:11 pm
ppl who condemn palestinians are so ignorant and hypocrite, do you know how life’s so difficult for innocent palestinians being bombarded by israelis? do you know that many of them have no homes like what we have in malaysia, and constantly shifting and moving away what they called home? so hamas killing israelis 1000 ppl, kill 1 and they kill you thousands, dhoes that justify?
pakistani killed hundred indians during mumbai incident, but indians din launch war towards pakistan, at least they are civilized like wat tdm describe – war is barbaric. the same to australia when indon killed them with bali bombings. perhaps un should send a stern message to israel don play big bully in middle east..
#21 by melurian on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 5:14 pm
in fact, like ahmadinejad said, they shouldn’t be israel, israel shouldn’t exist – that land suppose belongs to palestines. what 2/3 israel, 1/3 palestine – it’s totally unfair… if suddenly an organzation appear infront of you and say give your 2/3 land/house to other ppl, you agree or not. israel/gaza/jerusalem/teheran always belong palestines…
#22 by waterfrontcoolie on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 6:56 pm
melurian, going back to history will bring back all kinds of memories to this inequitable world. Remember between nations, tit for tat holds no boundary. I’m neither for either party but not everyone is saintly, you get a slap on your right cheek offer your left; are you personally good enough to offer such practice?
Are you prepared to be haunted every day and night by ‘expected’ bombardment? Only that you are not sure if you gonna be the next corpse?
Having gone through the web, one need not listen to propoganda, the message is clear enough! If you are different, then we will treat you differently! The Creator created varieties in this world to do away with monotony, coupled with reasoning brains but the creatures so created insist that only one colour is the option.
Hence we have all these problems! Please do not conclude that I believe in the liberal views of those Westerners who have gone bonker. Life is such that the old saying : an eye for an eye is still the norm around this materialistic world.
Those with better brain would not create situations where they could not control; they would wait for a better day, if they can find one through hard work and grey matter. Slogan and chanting to the Creator, which everyone involved is doing, can only confuse the scenario! Who is HE going to listen to?, especially pleading to Him to allow more murders!! This man made!!
#23 by Loh on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 7:31 pm
///Yet if we pause to think we cannot help but notice that these acts began with the forceful seizure of the land of the Palestinian Arabs in order to create the formerly non-existent state of Israel; the expulsion of the Arab Palestinians from their homes and their country, the killings of the Arabs by Zionist terrorists, and the incarceration of the Arab Palestinians in makeshift refugee camps for the last 60 years or so.
Terror attacks will not diminish for as long as the Palestinians are forced to remain as refugees, are denied the right of return. ///TDM at http://chedet.co.cc/chedetblog/2008/12/terrorism.html#more
If the intention is to make the formerly non-existent state of Israel to revert to its non-existent status, would Israel sit idly by to wait for that to happen? TDM does not help the situation in the Middle east, or reduction of terrorism in the world with his writing just like he did not help reduce racial tension in the country with his comment that non-Malays should not be attached to their language but perhaps follow instead his grandfather’s example or was that his father, to become NEWMalays.
#24 by de_Enigma on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 7:40 pm
A very detailed story by Lee Wang Yen.
We can’t really blame Israel to go all out on Hamas. They are just destroying the military power of the terrorists as far as I can see. Using human shield for terrorism purpose, and you guys are playing into Hamas’s game. Wake up guys!
#25 by Justitia on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 7:59 pm
Why are we in Malaysia always making such one sided condemnations? Have you seen the Israeli and Hamas spokesman on TV? Reminds you of children fighting. “Well, he hit me.” “No, he hit me first.” “He took my things.” Sounds familiar? The truth is that there is enough fault to go around everywhere. Hamas has full control of the territories and started firing rockets at Israel. So Israel hit back. Surprise! Surprise! This once again illustrates when you have poor government, the people suffers. History has enough examples of this. So, if we want to condemn, then let’s balanced about it. Otherwise, we should shut up as there is no strategic interest for Malaysia with respect to the Palestinian/Israeli conflicts. There are enough conflicts all over the world. We should not use the misery of others for political posturing as is happening right now!
#26 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 8:07 pm
That article is taken from Jerusalem Post. I provided the link to the website in another post, but it seemed that posts with website links went into moderation.
#27 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 8:11 pm
Islamic fundamentalism is indeed a problem. I really hope that Islamic fundamentalism won’t gain ascendancy in our beloved country.
We should support progressive and liberal Muslim leaders. I’ve met some really charming progressive Muslim scholars from Indonesia. Those are the type we should support.
#28 by melurian on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 8:30 pm
one simple question – do you agree that when japanese invaded/conquered malaya, the ppl should comply with the harsh rule, continue being oppressed/harrased/molested, condemn the act of mpaja against the invaders and backstab the freedom fighters ? do agree that iraqis should not against the us and obediently submitted to us invaders ? the palestines are the victims here – they are fighting for their land. and when the killed < 10 israelis and israelis retaliated with thousands death, do the palestines deserve it ? no wonder most post-war gen are so apathetic.
maybe this site be a good reminder:
http://ablogination.tn420.org/blog/index.php/2008/12/01/israel_s_oppression_of_palestine_starvin
#29 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 9:06 pm
An editorial from the Jerusalem Post online:
A Moral War
‘For pacifists who believe that all wars are immoral, Israel’s self-defense operation against Hamas in Gaza is necessarily wrong. To such people we invoke the 18th-century philosopher Edmund Burke: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Confronted by a movement that amalgamates fascism with religious extremism and a genocidal platform, our moral imperative demands Jewish self-defense.
Few of the voices slamming Israel for conducting an “immoral” war in Gaza are those of pacifists.
Take Riyad Mansour, Mahmoud Abbas’s man at the UN. He claimed on CNN that “3,000 Palestinians had been killed or injured” in Gaza, then denounced Israel’s “targeting 1.5 million Palestinians” as “immoral” and a “crime against humanity.”
Even as Mansour was pontificating, Hamas gunmen in Gaza were shooting Fatah activists in the knees as a preventive security measure lest they take advantage of the unstable situation.
In the West Bank, meanwhile, Mansour’s Fatah has been ruthlessly hunting down Hamas members to keep the Islamists from seizing power there when Abbas’s presidential term expires next week.
Far from there being “3,000 killed and wounded,” more like 500 have been killed – 400 of them Hamas “militants,” according to Palestinian Arab and UN sources inside Gaza cited by the Associated Press. Israeli sources put the Palestinian civilian death toll at some 50.
Pointing this out does not diminish the dreadful loss of dozens of innocent Palestinian lives in a week’s worth of fighting. It does show, however, that the IDF continues to do everything possible to avoid “collateral damage.” But its prime mandate is to protect the lives of Israeli civilians and minimize risks to our citizen-soldiers. ‘
(Part 1 – to be continued)
#30 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 9:07 pm
(Part 2)
Over the weekend, glitterati including Annie Lennox and Bianca Jagger joined tens of thousands of mostly Muslim protesters in rallies held worldwide against the Israeli “genocide.”
In fact, we’d be surprised if any other army currently on the battlefield is more conscientious about avoiding civilian casualties. Before it attacks and whenever possible, the IDF leaflets, telephones or sends text messages to residents of buildings used to launch rockets at our territory, warning them of the impending air-strike.
Conversely, what sort of “resistance” movement deliberately uses mosques, schools and homes as weapons depots and rocket launching pads? Answer: one that also uses its children and women as human shields.
AMONG those troubled by Israel’s actions are Jews whose connections to things Jewish are limited to the occasional bagel or lox sandwich. They too march to make clear they’re nothing like those pitiless Israelis. “As a Jew, it is very moving to see so many people… outraged at Israel’s actions,” said comedian Alexei Sayle, who was raised in a strictly orthodox Communist Liverpool household.
Not all uncomfortable Jews are cut off from the community. Take Isaac Luria – not the ancient kabbalist, but the young Internet director of J Street, which is devoted to redefining what it means to be pro-Israel. Luria thinks that the IDF is “pushing the long-running Israeli-Palestinian conflict further down a path of never-ending violence.” He’s strictly against “raining rockets on Israeli families” (this is bad, he knows, because he spent a year in Israel), but “there is nothing ‘right’ in punishing a million and a half already-suffering Gazans for the actions of the extremists among them.”
Wouldn’t it be more intellectually honest to admit that Palestinian suffering is mostly self-inflicted? And that Hamas’s anti-Israel agenda is wildly popular among Gaza’s masses? And doesn’t Luria owe it to himself to look a little closer at the nature of the Israeli military response.
The folks at J Street believe “there is no military solution to what is fundamentally a political conflict….” Hamas would beg to differ. Indeed, Hamas has been trying to prove the contrary, forcing Israel’s hand.
What Israel’s critics need to understand is that there can be no political solution while we are under Palestinian bombardment. Those who are sincere about fostering coexistence should stop bashing the IDF and start telling the Palestinians: Stop the violence.
#31 by alaneth on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 9:08 pm
AAB has donated US$1M to Palestine – that was very fast! Where did he get the money from? Rakyat’s taxes? Never mind that, but during the cyclone Nargis (Myanmar – Irrawaddy), Sichuan (China) earthquake – how slow & little did the aid trickle in from Malaysia???
Hurricane Katrina – none fr Malaysia! Dec 4 Tsunami – lots of govt funds channeled mostly only to Aceh. Only a trickling amount of govt funds went to other countries such as Sri Lanka & India… The Bam (Iran) earthquake also got Malaysia govt eyes opened fast with huge sums of money from govt coffers being donated there.
The question is why the vast difference of govt money spent on say, Palestine, Iran, Aceh (Indon), Pakistan but so little & slow money to Myanmar, China, Sri Lanka, India etc….. ? We the rakyat wants to know.
#32 by undergrad2 on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 9:09 pm
” So, if we want to condemn, then let’s balanced about it. Otherwise, we should shut up as there is no strategic interest for Malaysia with respect to the Palestinian/Israeli conflicts. There are enough conflicts all over the world. We should not use the misery of others for political posturing as is happening right now.”
Don’t forget to tell that to the many demonstrators all round the globe – London, Vancouver, New York, Paris just to name a few.
#33 by alaneth on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 9:12 pm
Forgot to comment on this conflict.
The solution is soooo simple. Ask any 3-yr old:
1. Hamas stops firing rockets to Israel first.
2. Israel stops all offensive & withdraw troops.
Game over!
#34 by undergrad2 on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 9:12 pm
Somebody breaks into your house and occupy some of the rooms and say to you let’s negotiate. We’ll let you have the back room. We’ll occupy the master bedroom.
What’s wrong with this picture?
#35 by monsterball on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 9:27 pm
This is a religious war ..on going for centuries.
USA Govt. can stop it anytime…but the Jews are too powerful in America…for any US President to dare and do it.
When one did made the peace so real and coming…it needs Arafat to blow it out of proportion.
So many times..peace was close….and just look at those cunning Israel politicians…twisting and turning…making it a never ending war.
Yes…the Christians under their flagship of Judaism are killing the Great Pretenders….the Muslims.
The Muslims are fighting for jihad….jihad for their family and jihad for anything..as the Palestinians know nothing…except jihad wars now.
Yes……these two religions are nuts…. brothers fighting against brothers.
This present war…is to show Obama what is Israel and somewhat .a farewell present to Bush.
It has always been a political war…during our educated era.
I wonder what will it be….next 50 years…scientific and logistic war?
No laughing matters when humans are treated by these political and religious devils….as useless fighting ants.
But if one goes by the events for past 35 years…it is the Palestinians that want real peace more than the Israelites.
Yes…fight to the death to protect Jerusalem.
For this…USA Govt. has proven to be such a big hypocrite and applying double standards…always for their advantages……never for fairness to all humankind.
Their military power must be contained ..sooner or later…as USA is the main player to world unrest and wars……after WW2….to keep selling war weapons..to keep occupying important roles in rich countries….especially for oil…to survive.
#36 by Justitia on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 9:59 pm
\Don’t forget to tell that to the many demonstrators all round the globe – London, Vancouver, New York, Paris just to name a few.\
Sure, there are also billions of people who are aware but are not foaming at the mouth and demonstrating! In fact, quite a lot of them have sympathy for the position that Israel has the right to hit back. No one likes war or the suffering that goes with it. The point that was raised is that it is not always black and white to apportion blame. Clearly, if one side desist from violence the situation would de-escalate rather than escalate. Neither side seems willing to take the steps to de-escalate the situation. So, why condemn only one side.
#37 by ReformMalaysia on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 10:20 pm
When mosquitoes keep attacking human beings , human beings would kill the mosquitoes at sight (even use the weapon of mass destruction such as Ridsect/Sheildtox and killed some innocent insects in the process).
The act of HAMAS launching rockets to Israel territories and killing innocent people has put themselves like the position of mosquitoes . So we cannot just blame the Israelites. The have the right to extinguish ‘the mosquitoes’.
We should hear stories from both side. Both side have their own version of truth.
The Hamas are to blame for provocation. Israel reacted and as a result, innocent people are killed.
#38 by Tickler on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 10:23 pm
Sunday, January 04, 2009
Iranians Announce $1 Million Reward For Assassination of Egyptian President Mubarak
Demonstrators carry pictures of Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak as they shout slogans in front of The Interests Section of the Arab Republic of Egypt in Tehran December 8, 2008. Demonstrators were protesting Egypt’s ties with Israel. (REUTERS/Stringer)
The regime-run news agency, Fars News reported that the Islamic Republic of Iran has announced a one million dollar reward for individuals who assassinate the president of Egypt. The news agency wrote:
“The ceremony for the designation of the reward for the revlutionary execution of the filthy traitor, Husni Mubarak has been organized through the justice-seeking movement of the (militant Basij) students as well as the cooperation of various other organizations. During this ceremony Forooz Rejaii, the secretary general of the organization entitled Rewarding The Martyrs of the World of Islam (and the suicide bombers brigade) spoke.”
It is important to note that the “Rewarding The Martyrs of the World of Islam” is an organization designed and supervised by the Iranian revolutionary guards.
#39 by Tickler on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 10:28 pm
pakistani killed hundred indians during mumbai incident, but indians din launch war towards pakistan, at least they are civilized – melurian
You got it wrong. India has a few billion population – they can afford to sacrifice a few million like they did over the centuries.
It was the famous Gandhiji who said “Muslims are bullies, Hindus are cowards”.
#40 by Tickler on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 10:44 pm
Israeli invasion of Gaza – crime against humanity?
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg arrived in the rocket-stricken city of Ashkelon and said that “if I were the State of Israel, I would do anything to defend my residents, and they would expect nothing less.”
Congressman Gary Ackerman said that New York’s residents supported Israel. Attacking Israel with missiles for years is like telling a woman who is raped that she can’t defend herself, he added.
#41 by undergrad2 on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 11:10 pm
Bloomberg is a blooming Jew. Period.
#42 by undergrad2 on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 11:20 pm
“So, why condemn only one side.” Justitia
Let’s begin with the disproportionate use of power by the powerful and the deaths of some 500 including civilians, mostly innocent children, women and old men and some 2,000 injured.
It is first, a human rights issue.
This is not between Israel and Palestine but between extremists and moderates on both sides.
#43 by vsp on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 11:21 pm
This madness has gone on for decades even before anyone of us here were born.
To tell you the truth, supporters of both sides of the divide do not want the war to end so that they can protect their own objectives and agendas.
The Arab side loves to have a bogeyman, the Israelis, so as to deflect any protential trouble or rebellion from their own subjects. If the Israelis were no more the super bogeyman, the whole Middle East will go up in flames anyway. One despot will attack another despot and so on. Believe me, there are many despots in the Middle East. It’s so ironic that the Israelis serves as a convenient bogeyman to unite the disparate countries in the Middle East.
On the Israelis’ side, the America is interested only in maintaining their hegemony over the region and to also test the effectiveness their war machines. In fact, the arms trade is big business.
From what I see, it human hyprocrisy – the real victims are the Israelis and the Palestinians. If the Palestinians have accepted the partition plan without being egged by the Arab countries to attack the Jews, peace would have been achieved a long time ago.
Remember, before the nation of Israel was born, there were no sympathy for the Jews in Europe, the Middle East and in many other countries. The Jews are the most hated people in the world. They were being gassed by the Nazis, they were being discriminated by nearly all the European countries; in their history as a people they were being invaded and taken prisoners by many empires: the Romans, the Persians, the Egyptians and other powerful kingdoms of those time.
The British were not sympathetic to the Jews when war broke out. They tried their best to seize the weapons that the Jew acquired and also stopped the immigration of the Jews from Europe. They trained and supplied the Arab armies: remember Lawrence of Arabia? At the time when Israel was still not a nation, they were without an army. They were just refugees from all over the world who speak a babel of different languages. With such disparate pieces here and there, they were still able to defeat nations with armies trained by the western nations and whose populations were so numerically superior to that the Israelis. Also, the American at that time were neutral but only later came to support the Israelis.
The blame for this sad event still lie with the sponsors of both sides: the Arabs despots and the Americans and all the European hypocrites.
#44 by One4All4One on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 11:28 pm
When one talks about equality, fairness, democracy, peace, unity, kindness, respect, condemns war and atrocities, condemns unfair treatment, condemns hegemony, condemns unilateral actions, etc., etc., one has to look at one’s very own backyard first.
When we demand others not to be cruel and be fair and be magnanimous, we cannot be prejudiced, discriminatory, bigoted, abusive, manipulative, hegemonic, claiming supremacy and demanding special treatments and privileges. No matter what a piece of paper, which is man-made, purportedly says.
When we claim to be religious and pious and God fearing, we cannot live and behave as if others’ religions and beliefs are wrong, inferior, and unacceptable, when the God that we pray to is the one and the same one.
As such, we cannot only blame Israel for all the atrocities and war when the other side of the divide is also scheming and planning a war, shooting missiles and provoking endlessly. It take two to tango.
It is all about sincerity. It is all about sense and sensibility. It is all about being truthful and honest about all matters. To sit opposite one another, or better, side by side, to discuss and negotiate is the most sensible thing to do, if ever either party truly wants everlasting peace and harmony.
Unless and until that is done, the war will go on, people killed and maimed, time and opportunities lost, and the blame game will not stop.
It is only on the premise of true equality, honesty and fairness that true and everlasting peace could be achieved.
When will we ever learn, when will we ever learn?
#45 by undergrad2 on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 11:35 pm
We will learn why when the world comes to an end in 2012.
#46 by Justitia on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 11:38 pm
To Undergrad2, what would you consider to be proportionate use of power (to stop the rockets)? Implicitly, you are implying that some (punitive) action need to be taken to stop the rockets being fired into Israel by your use of “disproportionate”. Israel and Hamas are BOTH responsible for the civilian misery. To be honest, I abhor the civilian deaths and misery. However, I think we need to be balanced to make sure we are not one-sided in our condemnation as we then give the perpetrators of human misery like the Hamas encouragement that their “stupid” actions are acceptable. They are not. This will result in even more misery in the future. I like the analogy of Reform Malaysia on swating mosquitoes. Why pick a military fight with someone who is clearly overwhelmingly more powerful and know that you will get beaten up or kick in the ass?
#47 by undergrad2 on Monday, 5 January 2009 - 11:53 pm
” Why pick a military fight with someone who is clearly overwhelmingly more powerful and know that you will get beaten up or kick in the ass”
Why did David fight Goliath? Same reason.
#48 by cheng on on Tuesday, 6 January 2009 - 12:06 am
Hamas attacked Israel with rocket first? but why Hamas do this? bcos Israel impose many restrictions on Palestine (Gaza n West bank), restrict trade, food supply, medicine, aids, restrict many many things on the excuse that Hamas cannot govern Palestine fairly alone.
In Palestine, there are also Israeli ppl, Christian etc.
Both sides should share the blame, the problem / hatred is already very deep n really NO ONE know how to solve them! Israel get the backing from USA (weapons etc)
#49 by Tickler on Tuesday, 6 January 2009 - 12:12 am
” Why pick a military fight with someone who is clearly overwhelmingly more powerful and know that you will get beaten up or kick in the ass” – Justitia
Hamas Charter
Article 7: “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews) when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: O Muslims (.) there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. “Only the gharkad tree [evidently a certain kind of tree] would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (this hadith, quoted from al-Bukhari and Muslim, both considered as highly reliable sources for the hadith or ‘sayings’ of the Prophet Muhammad).
Article 28 widens the circle of hate to include all Jews: “Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Muslim people: ‘May the cowards never sleep.’” The Charter in its preface quotes Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, as saying: “Israel will exist and continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”
#50 by Tickler on Tuesday, 6 January 2009 - 12:23 am
Israel get the backing from USA (weapons etc) – cheng on
True, but not all. And Israel sells to China as well (amongst others):
In 1987 [Israel Aircraft Industries] was forced to cancel a program to build an indigenous fighter, the Lavi (Lion). The Lavi was a modified version of the Lockheed Martin F-16 already being used by the Israeli Air Force, but cost significantly more than the U.S.-made fighter. So the Israeli Air Force opted to stick with the off-the-shelf model.
Some time later, the technical details of the Lavi were provided to [China's Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group], although no government has ever officially acknowledged this fact. When the J-10 was rolled out in a public ceremony in Beijing late last year, a report in the Singapore Straits Times noted the obvious: “The Jian-10 aircraft that China unveiled recently bears a striking resemblance to the Lavi. . . .
China in turn helps to supply Hamas:
December 31, 2008
Hamas fired 60 rockets at Israel today — another bombardment in an aerial assault that’s totaled 6,300 rockets and mortars since Israeli forces left the Gaza Strip in August, 2005. But today’s weapons were different. These weren’t short-range, home-made Qassam rockets that make up the bulk of Hamas’ arsenal. Nor were they the longer-flying 122 mm Grad rockets, designed by the Soviets and made in Iran. Some of today’s rockets flew an alarming 22 miles, hitting an empty school house in Beersheva, the unofficial capital of the Negev Desert region. And they were made in China.
The Israel military says that these Chinese rockets not only fly twice as far as the Grads, and four times further than the Qassams. They can “potentially cause much greater damage,” too — with “metal pallets that can spread out across a radius of up to 100 meters from the point of impact.”
Israeli officials didn’t specify which model of Chinese rocket is being used. But it’s “most likely the Chinese WS-1E 122mm rocket.”