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		<title>By: ayasofea</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-152058</link>
		<dc:creator>ayasofea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Lim,
Tiada paksaan dalam agama kami Islam. Saya menyeru Brother Lim kepada Islam dengan cara menyembah kepada Tuhan yang satu iaitu Allah maksudnya di sini mengeluarkan segala kebesaran makhluk dan harta benda dalam diri Brother Lim dan memasukkan kebesaran Allah. Juga memperakui bahawa Nabi Muhammad s.a.w itu adalah pesuruh Allah yang diutuskan untuk seluruh umat manusia. Walaubagaimanapun TIADA paksaan untuk brother Lim menerima Islam. Begitu juga halnya TIADA paksaan untuk Brother Lim menerima hudud, kerana brother Lim tidak islam. Hudud ni untuk mereka yang bersalah sahaja kenapa pula Brother Lim nak kecoh-kecoh lain la kalo brother Lim Islam dan buat salah.
Sebagaimana Allah perentahkan sembahyang, puasa, zakat dll dalam kitab suci kami Al-Quran, begitu jualah Allah perentahkan agar kami melaksanakan hukum hudud ini didalm KITAB yang sama. Antara rukun iman kami sebagai orang islam adalah beriman kepada Kitab Al-Quran, Injil, Taurat dan Zabur (3 yang terakhir mestilah dari kitab yg asal). Mana munkin kami mengakui kami beriman tetapi hanya mengambil perentah sembahyang tetapi menolak hudud. Jadi harap Brother Lim faham. Pernah ke kami mempertikaikan ajaran kaum lain. Pasti tidak kerana dalam kitab kami mengatakakan Untuk kami agama kami, untuk kamu agama kamu. Sekian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Lim,<br />
Tiada paksaan dalam agama kami Islam. Saya menyeru Brother Lim kepada Islam dengan cara menyembah kepada Tuhan yang satu iaitu Allah maksudnya di sini mengeluarkan segala kebesaran makhluk dan harta benda dalam diri Brother Lim dan memasukkan kebesaran Allah. Juga memperakui bahawa Nabi Muhammad s.a.w itu adalah pesuruh Allah yang diutuskan untuk seluruh umat manusia. Walaubagaimanapun TIADA paksaan untuk brother Lim menerima Islam. Begitu juga halnya TIADA paksaan untuk Brother Lim menerima hudud, kerana brother Lim tidak islam. Hudud ni untuk mereka yang bersalah sahaja kenapa pula Brother Lim nak kecoh-kecoh lain la kalo brother Lim Islam dan buat salah.<br />
Sebagaimana Allah perentahkan sembahyang, puasa, zakat dll dalam kitab suci kami Al-Quran, begitu jualah Allah perentahkan agar kami melaksanakan hukum hudud ini didalm KITAB yang sama. Antara rukun iman kami sebagai orang islam adalah beriman kepada Kitab Al-Quran, Injil, Taurat dan Zabur (3 yang terakhir mestilah dari kitab yg asal). Mana munkin kami mengakui kami beriman tetapi hanya mengambil perentah sembahyang tetapi menolak hudud. Jadi harap Brother Lim faham. Pernah ke kami mempertikaikan ajaran kaum lain. Pasti tidak kerana dalam kitab kami mengatakakan Untuk kami agama kami, untuk kamu agama kamu. Sekian</p>
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		<title>By: veddy.lum74</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151169</link>
		<dc:creator>veddy.lum74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see how our PDRM put these business in their palm:disco,massage parlour,hotel spa,underground 4-digits,football betting game,boggie,dadah trafficking,car robbing syndicate,&#039;korek dan menang&#039; syndicate,blablabla......

i will guarantee you dat they will never want to completely terminating these businesses because of huge rewards(corruptions) they are going to get right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see how our PDRM put these business in their palm:disco,massage parlour,hotel spa,underground 4-digits,football betting game,boggie,dadah trafficking,car robbing syndicate,&#8217;korek dan menang&#8217; syndicate,blablabla&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>i will guarantee you dat they will never want to completely terminating these businesses because of huge rewards(corruptions) they are going to get right?</p>
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		<title>By: veddy.lum74</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151167</link>
		<dc:creator>veddy.lum74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dont be so simple minded dat hukum hudud has nothing to do with non-malays!!!

see the way muslims destroying temples,banning pig farms and their hidden agenda to close 4-digits guessing games,casino,liquor stores,haram markets,haram foodcourts,sekolah    rendah jenis kebangsaan primary schools and so on......

As what i have mentioned so many times,they will close one eye on issues such as corruption,mat rempit,snatching,criticising non-malays,bias policies,ethnic quotas,licenses,illegal mamak and malay hawkers scattered everywhere.......

now,while muslims population is at 65%,maybe they will tolerate in certain extend,when it becomes 80%,85% or 90%,do you think you still have a &#039;say&#039; in every issues?

dun be so dumb n stupid to say dat hudud laws has nothing to do with us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dont be so simple minded dat hukum hudud has nothing to do with non-malays!!!</p>
<p>see the way muslims destroying temples,banning pig farms and their hidden agenda to close 4-digits guessing games,casino,liquor stores,haram markets,haram foodcourts,sekolah    rendah jenis kebangsaan primary schools and so on&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>As what i have mentioned so many times,they will close one eye on issues such as corruption,mat rempit,snatching,criticising non-malays,bias policies,ethnic quotas,licenses,illegal mamak and malay hawkers scattered everywhere&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>now,while muslims population is at 65%,maybe they will tolerate in certain extend,when it becomes 80%,85% or 90%,do you think you still have a &#8216;say&#8217; in every issues?</p>
<p>dun be so dumb n stupid to say dat hudud laws has nothing to do with us!</p>
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		<title>By: anakreformasi</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151153</link>
		<dc:creator>anakreformasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terima kasih greenlander....


Yups, setiap agama tidak suka akan perkara-perkara yang mungkar......

diharap non-Muslim pun tidak menghalang Orang Islam menjalankan kewajipan terhadap agamanya......


- Adios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terima kasih greenlander&#8230;.</p>
<p>Yups, setiap agama tidak suka akan perkara-perkara yang mungkar&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>diharap non-Muslim pun tidak menghalang Orang Islam menjalankan kewajipan terhadap agamanya&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>- Adios.</p>
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		<title>By: greenlander</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151145</link>
		<dc:creator>greenlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I m a chinese...
&amp; i m totally setuju dgn pendapat &quot;anakreformasi&quot; ...

kita mesti sanjungi kelakuan yg baik dan hapuskan yg buruk,
tak kira buddhist , christian atau islam....

still not understand why non-muslim ....so scare of hudud law??????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I m a chinese&#8230;<br />
&amp; i m totally setuju dgn pendapat &#8220;anakreformasi&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>kita mesti sanjungi kelakuan yg baik dan hapuskan yg buruk,<br />
tak kira buddhist , christian atau islam&#8230;.</p>
<p>still not understand why non-muslim &#8230;.so scare of hudud law??????</p>
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		<title>By: vsp</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151132</link>
		<dc:creator>vsp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>…it is not the hudud laws that we are scared of, is the men who implement the laws we should watch out for. – dawsheng

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I totally agree. Remember all good intentions will turn bad when absolute power are given to man. Personally, I don&#039;t have any problem with hudud, but…the problems is with man.

The BN that was given absolute power to rule the country for half a century also have good intentions. They wanted to protect the country from all enemies and so the ISA, OSA, the University Acts, the Printing Act, the Police Act were all justified and the good citizens of Bolehland swallow these justifications hook, line and sinker. And what are the results? Journalist being arrested for her own protection and all types of nonsense.

PAS must remember they are not angels. They are basically politicians and politicians usually change their tunes when absolute power are given to them. If PAS can swear on the koran that they are immune to such temptations, they should not be living in this bad, bad world of ours. They should have their address in heaven!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…it is not the hudud laws that we are scared of, is the men who implement the laws we should watch out for. – dawsheng</p>
<p>–––––––<br />
I totally agree. Remember all good intentions will turn bad when absolute power are given to man. Personally, I don&#8217;t have any problem with hudud, but…the problems is with man.</p>
<p>The BN that was given absolute power to rule the country for half a century also have good intentions. They wanted to protect the country from all enemies and so the ISA, OSA, the University Acts, the Printing Act, the Police Act were all justified and the good citizens of Bolehland swallow these justifications hook, line and sinker. And what are the results? Journalist being arrested for her own protection and all types of nonsense.</p>
<p>PAS must remember they are not angels. They are basically politicians and politicians usually change their tunes when absolute power are given to them. If PAS can swear on the koran that they are immune to such temptations, they should not be living in this bad, bad world of ours. They should have their address in heaven!</p>
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		<title>By: vsp</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151131</link>
		<dc:creator>vsp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that every now and then PAS loves to throw in a monkey wrench into the works and upset the whole applecart. 

During the height of the Reformasi movements the opposition parties agreed to use the reform slogan to topple the BN which PAS initially agreed. But as time went by PAS got its head too big because they reasoned that they have the most disciplined and effective teamwork among the Opposition at that time, which was true. So they slowly jettisoned the reformasi plank and hitched on to the Islamic rhetorics: hudud, segregation of women from society and other favourites at that time. When the election was held PAS was the most successful party among the Opposition in the number of seats garnered. The DAP was decimated with stalwarts such as Lim Kit Siang and Karpal Singh being ditched by the voters. Mahathir&#039;s hinds was saved by the non-Malays inspite of many Malays that went to the Opposition.

Next, immediately after the 2008 electoral tsunami, a group of PAS leaders led by Hadi Awang secretly made a pact with archenemy Tojo to topple the Pakatan government in Selangor. Fortunately, it was not successful. One of the utterances that was attributed to Hadi Awang was that it is better to have a bad Muslim leader to lead than for a good and honest non-Muslim leader to rule over the faithful. With this type of mentality from a top PAS leader I shudder to think if PAS can be a reliable partner at all.

I hope that the non-Malays in the coming by-election would teach PAS for such loose and arrogant talk and vote against them. This will knock some senses into their thick skulls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that every now and then PAS loves to throw in a monkey wrench into the works and upset the whole applecart. </p>
<p>During the height of the Reformasi movements the opposition parties agreed to use the reform slogan to topple the BN which PAS initially agreed. But as time went by PAS got its head too big because they reasoned that they have the most disciplined and effective teamwork among the Opposition at that time, which was true. So they slowly jettisoned the reformasi plank and hitched on to the Islamic rhetorics: hudud, segregation of women from society and other favourites at that time. When the election was held PAS was the most successful party among the Opposition in the number of seats garnered. The DAP was decimated with stalwarts such as Lim Kit Siang and Karpal Singh being ditched by the voters. Mahathir&#8217;s hinds was saved by the non-Malays inspite of many Malays that went to the Opposition.</p>
<p>Next, immediately after the 2008 electoral tsunami, a group of PAS leaders led by Hadi Awang secretly made a pact with archenemy Tojo to topple the Pakatan government in Selangor. Fortunately, it was not successful. One of the utterances that was attributed to Hadi Awang was that it is better to have a bad Muslim leader to lead than for a good and honest non-Muslim leader to rule over the faithful. With this type of mentality from a top PAS leader I shudder to think if PAS can be a reliable partner at all.</p>
<p>I hope that the non-Malays in the coming by-election would teach PAS for such loose and arrogant talk and vote against them. This will knock some senses into their thick skulls.</p>
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		<title>By: juno</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151130</link>
		<dc:creator>juno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though we need a secular outlook - we may not have to fear much because the only ones who have to worry about hudud laws is BN itself (Could be the reason why they demonize PAS to the overall public) . They for sure have to think twice about loosing their limbs..
http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/  The evil,.. men do..are.. they themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though we need a secular outlook &#8211; we may not have to fear much because the only ones who have to worry about hudud laws is BN itself (Could be the reason why they demonize PAS to the overall public) . They for sure have to think twice about loosing their limbs..<br />
<a href="http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/</a>  The evil,.. men do..are.. they themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: eloofk</title>
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		<dc:creator>eloofk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although i&#039;m a chinese, if i have to vote in order to decide for a change of governance, i&#039;ll still vote for PAS. This hudud laws doesnt scare me since i know that the laws are applicable only for our muslim friends as enshrined in the constitution written by our forefathers. 

Time and time again, BN has been playing up racial and religious issues to divide and rule, just for their selfish and corrupt ends.

I hope chinese voters at KT are wise enough not to fall into the traps of BN in their forth-coming by-elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although i&#8217;m a chinese, if i have to vote in order to decide for a change of governance, i&#8217;ll still vote for PAS. This hudud laws doesnt scare me since i know that the laws are applicable only for our muslim friends as enshrined in the constitution written by our forefathers. </p>
<p>Time and time again, BN has been playing up racial and religious issues to divide and rule, just for their selfish and corrupt ends.</p>
<p>I hope chinese voters at KT are wise enough not to fall into the traps of BN in their forth-coming by-elections.</p>
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		<title>By: mifadzil</title>
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		<dc:creator>mifadzil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fairness does not mean that everyone need to use the same system. Fairness only you can feel when the person is treated according to the law that he feel confident. Let&#039;s the referendum held and see who are voting in or out. Do not prejudge or make assumptions. Let&#039;s the people decide what their say on this for once and for all. Otherwise, politicians will continue to fool around with assumption and ignorance views and heartening the related communities. DAP needs to study Hudud &amp; Qisas and discuss with Muslims clerics and relevant authorities and not their secular lawyers only before making any assumption and ignorance statement. Without discussion, consultation and listening to Muslim communities about their feeling, feedback and expectation about their preference, DAP is just making mockery of democracy in this country. Please note that not all non-Muslims are against Hudud &amp; Qisas for Muslims. Check your facts before decide anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairness does not mean that everyone need to use the same system. Fairness only you can feel when the person is treated according to the law that he feel confident. Let&#8217;s the referendum held and see who are voting in or out. Do not prejudge or make assumptions. Let&#8217;s the people decide what their say on this for once and for all. Otherwise, politicians will continue to fool around with assumption and ignorance views and heartening the related communities. DAP needs to study Hudud &amp; Qisas and discuss with Muslims clerics and relevant authorities and not their secular lawyers only before making any assumption and ignorance statement. Without discussion, consultation and listening to Muslim communities about their feeling, feedback and expectation about their preference, DAP is just making mockery of democracy in this country. Please note that not all non-Muslims are against Hudud &amp; Qisas for Muslims. Check your facts before decide anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kit:

Which are the &quot;media reports&quot; you are referring to ?  We all know what the mainstream press can do, so unless Husam is quoted in the Harakah, you should take whatever the agent provocateurs report with a pinch of salt.  A rather large pinch of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kit:</p>
<p>Which are the &#8220;media reports&#8221; you are referring to ?  We all know what the mainstream press can do, so unless Husam is quoted in the Harakah, you should take whatever the agent provocateurs report with a pinch of salt.  A rather large pinch of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: singma</title>
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		<dc:creator>singma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_kBT3eV5U


Husam say it clearly !!!</description>
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<p>Husam say it clearly !!!</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why DAP is against ... whatever policies [apply only to] Muslim community&quot;
Because, I presume, that they&#039;re of the mind that one nation can only have one law. Having one law for one community, and another for everybody else is not fair. Not fair = more differences = more tension, forever and ever. And not all crimes are committed within communities. If a crime occurs between people of different communities, which community&#039;s law should be applied?
As for freedom to practice religion - what aspect of practice of Islam runs counter to secular law? Secular law guarantees freedom of religion, so long as the practice of religion does not interfere uninvited with another citizen&#039;s rights. I see no reason why Malaysian Muslims should not practice Hudud, so long as it isn&#039;t a means of evading penalties due under federal law, and so long as subjects of hudud law personally consent to the imposition of Hudud.
I think the other parties in PR could easily agree to PAS championing federal Hudud-for-devout-Muslims, while maintaining it&#039;s not &quot;their cup of tea&quot;. If there are never enough Malaysians to carry the vote, it&#039;s a non-issue. If there are enough Malaysians to carry the vote, then I suspect there&#039;ll be very long queues at KLIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why DAP is against &#8230; whatever policies [apply only to] Muslim community&#8221;<br />
Because, I presume, that they&#8217;re of the mind that one nation can only have one law. Having one law for one community, and another for everybody else is not fair. Not fair = more differences = more tension, forever and ever. And not all crimes are committed within communities. If a crime occurs between people of different communities, which community&#8217;s law should be applied?<br />
As for freedom to practice religion &#8211; what aspect of practice of Islam runs counter to secular law? Secular law guarantees freedom of religion, so long as the practice of religion does not interfere uninvited with another citizen&#8217;s rights. I see no reason why Malaysian Muslims should not practice Hudud, so long as it isn&#8217;t a means of evading penalties due under federal law, and so long as subjects of hudud law personally consent to the imposition of Hudud.<br />
I think the other parties in PR could easily agree to PAS championing federal Hudud-for-devout-Muslims, while maintaining it&#8217;s not &#8220;their cup of tea&#8221;. If there are never enough Malaysians to carry the vote, it&#8217;s a non-issue. If there are enough Malaysians to carry the vote, then I suspect there&#8217;ll be very long queues at KLIA.</p>
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		<title>By: anakreformasi</title>
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		<dc:creator>anakreformasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saya ada tinggalkan komen, saya harap Y.B. Lim Kit Siang dapat pamerkan.....


HUDUD.....

Adakah Y.B. Lim faham makna sebenar disebalik HUDUD tuh?

Kami Ummat ISLAM wajib melaksanakan HUDUD tersebut!!!

Kami tidak menghalang penganut non-Muslim makan babi walhal, agama kami melarang makan babi.

Kami juga tidak pernah menghalang upacara perarakan kematian non-Muslim yang menyebabkan jalanraya jammed.

Kami juga tidak pernah menghalang upacara menghalau hantu yang dilakukan oleh penganut non-Muslim, padahal ianya menganggu, kerana ada sesuatu dibakar di atas di jalan raya.

Saya harap Y.B. Lim Kit Siang dapat memahami HUDUD ini....

&quot;Amar Makruf Nahi Mungkar&#039; maksudnya, menyuruh kearah kebaikan dan menghalang kemungkaran.......

jadi, harap Y.B. Lim Kit Siang bangkit dengan semangat Demokrasi.

sekian, terima kasih.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saya ada tinggalkan komen, saya harap Y.B. Lim Kit Siang dapat pamerkan&#8230;..</p>
<p>HUDUD&#8230;..</p>
<p>Adakah Y.B. Lim faham makna sebenar disebalik HUDUD tuh?</p>
<p>Kami Ummat ISLAM wajib melaksanakan HUDUD tersebut!!!</p>
<p>Kami tidak menghalang penganut non-Muslim makan babi walhal, agama kami melarang makan babi.</p>
<p>Kami juga tidak pernah menghalang upacara perarakan kematian non-Muslim yang menyebabkan jalanraya jammed.</p>
<p>Kami juga tidak pernah menghalang upacara menghalau hantu yang dilakukan oleh penganut non-Muslim, padahal ianya menganggu, kerana ada sesuatu dibakar di atas di jalan raya.</p>
<p>Saya harap Y.B. Lim Kit Siang dapat memahami HUDUD ini&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Amar Makruf Nahi Mungkar&#8217; maksudnya, menyuruh kearah kebaikan dan menghalang kemungkaran&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>jadi, harap Y.B. Lim Kit Siang bangkit dengan semangat Demokrasi.</p>
<p>sekian, terima kasih.</p>
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		<title>By: greenlander</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151116</link>
		<dc:creator>greenlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAP no need response to such issue again....

don&#039;t fall into the trap of BN.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAP no need response to such issue again&#8230;.</p>
<p>don&#8217;t fall into the trap of BN&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvenho</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151115</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvenho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This stupid Datuk Husam Musa has fallen into the trap of this Khairy.
Now I believe BN will have more bullets to shoot at PR and the PAS candidate in the KT by election. Looks like BN will have a better chance this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This stupid Datuk Husam Musa has fallen into the trap of this Khairy.<br />
Now I believe BN will have more bullets to shoot at PR and the PAS candidate in the KT by election. Looks like BN will have a better chance this time.</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151114</link>
		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wesuffer, it is not the hudud laws that we are scared of, is the men who implement the laws we should watch out for. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, what makes you think PAS will always remain holy? You chopped off a thief&#039;s hand, you threw him in jail and you ask him to repent? Laws are made to seek fairness and justice, but fairness and justice cannot be found in laws, regardless of man made or god&#039;s laws. Anyone who think that given more or stricter laws are the way forward to solve this country&#039;s problems must be insane, on the contrary, more laws or stricter laws reflect how lawless a country can be or has become, in that sense, innocence people are the one who should be scared the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wesuffer, it is not the hudud laws that we are scared of, is the men who implement the laws we should watch out for. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, what makes you think PAS will always remain holy? You chopped off a thief&#8217;s hand, you threw him in jail and you ask him to repent? Laws are made to seek fairness and justice, but fairness and justice cannot be found in laws, regardless of man made or god&#8217;s laws. Anyone who think that given more or stricter laws are the way forward to solve this country&#8217;s problems must be insane, on the contrary, more laws or stricter laws reflect how lawless a country can be or has become, in that sense, innocence people are the one who should be scared the most.</p>
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		<title>By: mifadzil</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151113</link>
		<dc:creator>mifadzil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why DAP is against to whatever policies that compliance to Muslim community. DAP want democracy to work fairly, why don&#039;t we suggest referendum to all Malaysians to choose  either they are against or not to Hudud and Qisas law for Muslim. Before apply this law, let the Islamic authorities to convey the right version of Hudud and Qisas to all Malaysia. No need for any politician to make any assumption. Get the feedback and do the referendum to decide. Let the majority to choose the Malaysia&#039;s direction and make it final. No more politics on this anymore. Remember DAP is claiming to champion for all Malaysian including Muslim community. Just don&#039;t think Muslims are not watching or hearing your point of views on this. Be open and listen before making any conclusion. Muslims are also need freedom to practice their true religious needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why DAP is against to whatever policies that compliance to Muslim community. DAP want democracy to work fairly, why don&#8217;t we suggest referendum to all Malaysians to choose  either they are against or not to Hudud and Qisas law for Muslim. Before apply this law, let the Islamic authorities to convey the right version of Hudud and Qisas to all Malaysia. No need for any politician to make any assumption. Get the feedback and do the referendum to decide. Let the majority to choose the Malaysia&#8217;s direction and make it final. No more politics on this anymore. Remember DAP is claiming to champion for all Malaysian including Muslim community. Just don&#8217;t think Muslims are not watching or hearing your point of views on this. Be open and listen before making any conclusion. Muslims are also need freedom to practice their true religious needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151112</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PAS is telling the Chinese in Terengganu that it does not need their votes in the coming by-elections. So be it. DAP should boycott the by-election and teach these religious bigots a lesson.
Let us tell them, &quot;You want Hudud then forget about our votes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAS is telling the Chinese in Terengganu that it does not need their votes in the coming by-elections. So be it. DAP should boycott the by-election and teach these religious bigots a lesson.<br />
Let us tell them, &#8220;You want Hudud then forget about our votes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/12/22/hukum-hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-151111</link>
		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such an interesting topic...
&quot;Malaysia is a secular country with Islam as the official religion&quot; - I see Article 3 of the Constitution (I&#039;m looking at wikisource, as there&#039;s STILL no gov.my source. The one linked from gov.my appears to be a BM translation at a private sector website. When did the constitution of Malaysia switch to one in BM? That must be an important date. I&#039;d like to add the info to wikipedia, if anybody has it) - says &quot;Islam is the religion of the Federation&quot;, which is so vague, it could be interpreted &#039;All for the road&#039;s way, or the way Badruddin put it so memorably.

Hasbullah Pit&#039;s comment above is reminiscent of comments on USA blogs whenever &#039;secular&#039; is mentioned. &#039;Secular state&#039; means only that religion is not involved in making or applying the laws of the state. One of the most important laws in a secular state is usually &#039;freedom of religion&#039;, just as it is in Malaysia&#039;s constitution. I&#039;m fairly certain that the countries with the fastest-growing Muslim communities, enjoying the greatest freedoms and protection of law, will be secular states. Perhaps the recent USUK-led War On Beards (largely the result of Religious Conservatives, some say) has had a negative effect, but they&#039;re not the only nominally secular states.

Whatever Article 3 means, the only law that can possibly be as fair to Malaysia&#039;s other citizens as it is to Malaysia&#039;s Muslim citizens is a secular law. Even though Islamic apologists say &quot;non-Muslims are provided for&quot; in Islam, they are not in one important aspect: the law is no longer made by all the people, but a restricted-entry group.

I think Jeffrey&#039;s 2 options could admit a third: embrace PAS and say &quot;we&#039;re all Opposition, they&#039;ve got their ideas, we&#039;ve got ours. If we agreed on everything, we&#039;d all be PKR!&quot;. I&#039;m convinced portraying PR as a choir all singing from the same hymn sheet is going to fool no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such an interesting topic&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Malaysia is a secular country with Islam as the official religion&#8221; &#8211; I see Article 3 of the Constitution (I&#8217;m looking at wikisource, as there&#8217;s STILL no gov.my source. The one linked from gov.my appears to be a BM translation at a private sector website. When did the constitution of Malaysia switch to one in BM? That must be an important date. I&#8217;d like to add the info to wikipedia, if anybody has it) &#8211; says &#8220;Islam is the religion of the Federation&#8221;, which is so vague, it could be interpreted &#8216;All for the road&#8217;s way, or the way Badruddin put it so memorably.</p>
<p>Hasbullah Pit&#8217;s comment above is reminiscent of comments on USA blogs whenever &#8216;secular&#8217; is mentioned. &#8216;Secular state&#8217; means only that religion is not involved in making or applying the laws of the state. One of the most important laws in a secular state is usually &#8216;freedom of religion&#8217;, just as it is in Malaysia&#8217;s constitution. I&#8217;m fairly certain that the countries with the fastest-growing Muslim communities, enjoying the greatest freedoms and protection of law, will be secular states. Perhaps the recent USUK-led War On Beards (largely the result of Religious Conservatives, some say) has had a negative effect, but they&#8217;re not the only nominally secular states.</p>
<p>Whatever Article 3 means, the only law that can possibly be as fair to Malaysia&#8217;s other citizens as it is to Malaysia&#8217;s Muslim citizens is a secular law. Even though Islamic apologists say &#8220;non-Muslims are provided for&#8221; in Islam, they are not in one important aspect: the law is no longer made by all the people, but a restricted-entry group.</p>
<p>I think Jeffrey&#8217;s 2 options could admit a third: embrace PAS and say &#8220;we&#8217;re all Opposition, they&#8217;ve got their ideas, we&#8217;ve got ours. If we agreed on everything, we&#8217;d all be PKR!&#8221;. I&#8217;m convinced portraying PR as a choir all singing from the same hymn sheet is going to fool no one.</p>
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