Comments on: RMK9 – Does It Benefit The Orang Asli? http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:45:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ktteokt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-149053 ktteokt Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:36:58 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-149053 These "robbers" not only robbed the Orang Asli of their land but also their status when they proclaim themselves as "BUMIPUTRA"! These “robbers” not only robbed the Orang Asli of their land but also their status when they proclaim themselves as “BUMIPUTRA”!

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-149011 undergrad2 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:38:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-149011 In the U.S. native Americans are mostly found in Indian Reservations. Their numbers estimated at a mere 3.0 million have been decimated by disease brought by the white men. They had their lands stolen from them from under their feet. In the U.S. native Americans are mostly found in Indian Reservations. Their numbers estimated at a mere 3.0 million have been decimated by disease brought by the white men. They had their lands stolen from them from under their feet.

]]> By: cemerlang http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148991 cemerlang Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:26:44 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148991 In many countries, the first people who live on the land are not given the same status as the ones controlling the land. Think about the aboriginies of Australia. Think about the Red Indians of USA. Think about the Eskimos of Alaska, USA. Think about the Mayans of Central America. Think about the Bedouins of the Sahara. Closer to home. Think about our orang asli and think about our orang ulu. In order to have an easier lifestyle, some of the orang asli decided to embrace Islam and lose their real identity. Why is it that these first people of the land do not like to be in the mainstream of the society ? Why is it that they prefer to live like their ancestors ? God willing, they will understand the importance of being in the mainstream of the society. Hasn't God been willing all this time ? If not, He would have stopped life from ever going on the moment He discovered Adam and Eve sinned. In many countries, the first people who live on the land are not given the same status as the ones controlling the land. Think about the aboriginies of Australia. Think about the Red Indians of USA. Think about the Eskimos of Alaska, USA. Think about the Mayans of Central America. Think about the Bedouins of the Sahara. Closer to home. Think about our orang asli and think about our orang ulu. In order to have an easier lifestyle, some of the orang asli decided to embrace Islam and lose their real identity. Why is it that these first people of the land do not like to be in the mainstream of the society ? Why is it that they prefer to live like their ancestors ? God willing, they will understand the importance of being in the mainstream of the society. Hasn’t God been willing all this time ? If not, He would have stopped life from ever going on the moment He discovered Adam and Eve sinned.

]]> By: Structured Settlement Questions - Frequently Asked Questions & Answers | save onblog http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148987 Structured Settlement Questions - Frequently Asked Questions & Answers | save onblog Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:41:55 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148987 [...] Lim Kit Siang » Blog Archive » RMK9 – Does It Benefit The Orang Asli? [...] [...] Lim Kit Siang » Blog Archive » RMK9 – Does It Benefit The Orang Asli? [...]

]]> By: AhPek http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148981 AhPek Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:29:04 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148981 In New Zealand the whole seas surrounding the country are given back to the Maoris and the fishing industry is completely dominated by the Maoris.In Kaikura where tourists go for the whale watching experience the boats that take you are maori-owned.In fact Jeffrey I think has said sometime ago that even the sky over new zealand are in Maori hands.So what is the 2M talking about?Even trying to have a dig at the British who have left more than 50 years ago!! The orang aslis of this land are the original people of this land and are the most marginalised group in the country,the most aggrieved people here. In New Zealand the whole seas surrounding the country are given back to the Maoris and the fishing industry is completely dominated by the Maoris.In Kaikura where tourists go for the whale watching experience the boats that take you are maori-owned.In fact Jeffrey I think has said sometime ago that even the sky over new zealand are in Maori hands.So what is the 2M talking about?Even trying to have a dig at the British who have left more than 50 years ago!!
The orang aslis of this land are the original people of this land and are the most marginalised group in the country,the most aggrieved people here.

]]> By: bc http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148953 bc Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:48:29 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148953 It is wasting times to ask UMNO Malay be the caretaker of Orang Asli. They are so racist, they never want any goodb improvement to Orang Asli. I sure they only interest their best to cover the Orang Asli under the cloud, never want any issue of Orange Asli voice up. They do not want any challenge from Orange Asli about who is the first being landed and lived in Malaysia, to protect what they tell others thier special privilege illusion by greed. They will lose in the International Court to Orang Asli. They only interest their greed. It is wasting times to ask UMNO Malay be the caretaker of Orang Asli.

They are so racist, they never want any goodb improvement to Orang Asli.

I sure they only interest their best to cover the Orang Asli under the cloud, never want any issue of Orange Asli voice up.

They do not want any challenge from Orange Asli about who is the first being landed and lived in Malaysia, to protect what they tell others thier special privilege illusion by greed.

They will lose in the International Court to Orang Asli.

They only interest their greed.

]]> By: OrangRojak http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148945 OrangRojak Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:13:33 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148945 Woah! Malaysia a member of the UN Human Rights Council? That must have been cheap! I read: "the Council specified that "members elected to the Council shall uphold the highest standards in the promotion and protection of human rights" and will be subject to periodic review" Is there anything that can be done to guarantee Malaysia is reviewed before its membership lapses in 2009? I note it has escaped the 2008 list: http://www.humanrights-geneva.info/article.php3?id_article=2248 Woah! Malaysia a member of the UN Human Rights Council? That must have been cheap! I read:

“the Council specified that “members elected to the Council shall uphold the highest standards in the promotion and protection of human rights” and will be subject to periodic review”

Is there anything that can be done to guarantee Malaysia is reviewed before its membership lapses in 2009? I note it has escaped the 2008 list:

http://www.humanrights-geneva.info/article.php3?id_article=2248

]]> By: HJ Angus http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148942 HJ Angus Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:14:54 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148942 but definitely this is a good example of a civilised debate. Well done to the speakers for showing that not all MPs are unworthy but definitely this is a good example of a civilised debate. Well done to the speakers for showing that not all MPs are unworthy

]]> By: HJ Angus http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148941 HJ Angus Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:12:52 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148941 One of the unpublished programs for the Orang Asli I heard about was that those who converted to Islam received a monthly payment. Since most of them are animists, why should such a program exist when most taxpayers' are mainly non-Muslim? One of the unpublished programs for the Orang Asli I heard about was that those who converted to Islam received a monthly payment. Since most of them are animists, why should such a program exist when most taxpayers’ are mainly non-Muslim?

]]> By: Bigjoe http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148940 Bigjoe Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:45:33 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148940 The basic problem of Orang Asli is a problem of private rights especially land rights which is traditionally absent. Not only must Orang Asli be given land and other rights (access to education by paying teachers more for teaching them for example) extradordinary from other groups but assistance must be given to them to help protect their rights because their concept of it is poor. They need their own governing system and group protection that is free from state control. Only by doing so can the be brought into the mainstreams. Its not state largesse that they need but legal protection and process that they can avail themselves. The basic problem of Orang Asli is a problem of private rights especially land rights which is traditionally absent. Not only must Orang Asli be given land and other rights (access to education by paying teachers more for teaching them for example) extradordinary from other groups but assistance must be given to them to help protect their rights because their concept of it is poor. They need their own governing system and group protection that is free from state control. Only by doing so can the be brought into the mainstreams. Its not state largesse that they need but legal protection and process that they can avail themselves.

]]> By: disapointed86 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148930 disapointed86 Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:48:30 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148930 mosterball..from the way he delivered his speech.. i can see that he is better of compare to MOST of the BN Mps'..Just that i dont know wheather he really did what he spoke...but still he gave a pleasant reply..this is more like a parliament meeting to me..rather than seeing "pasir salak" utter craps..Monsterball, i think we must understand his situation..he is just working for the BN..many things is beyond his control..only change govt can make things different.. mosterball..from the way he delivered his speech.. i can see that he is better of compare to MOST of the BN Mps’..Just that i dont know wheather he really did what he spoke…but still he gave a pleasant reply..this is more like a parliament meeting to me..rather than seeing “pasir salak” utter craps..Monsterball, i think we must understand his situation..he is just working for the BN..many things is beyond his control..only change govt can make things different..

]]> By: Tonberry http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148929 Tonberry Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:44:50 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148929 He certainly has his own abilities(e.g. sweet-talking). Not everybody can run away with a Sultan's daughter. He certainly has his own abilities(e.g. sweet-talking). Not everybody can run away with a Sultan’s daughter.

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/29/rmk9-%e2%80%93-does-it-benefit-the-orang-asli/comment-page-1/#comment-148927 monsterball Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:33:09 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=2047#comment-148927 Listening to that Mat bin Mat...confirms that throughout the whole world...only in Malaysia...a ruling government will decorate a crook..and install him as a Senator....now ..a Minister. He keep saying.."God's will"...in between.. answering a question. I wonder what God will support a proven crook. Enough of that....he spoke with a soft and pleasing tone...answering LKS...but not to the point. Who cares he sleeps with Alsi people...in few small villages.....when not one Alsi person.. is a Minister...not one heads an important UMNO company..not one is head of ..so many...government departments. LKS talk about a bad road...that takes 4 hours to reach ..when it should be one. All it takes...is UMNO do up the simple job...paving the road...for the benefits of the Asli people there. Mat bin Mat again ignore.....and went on talking something else.. This is a good actor..who tell lies and cheat......cannot be trusted at all....yet a hero..now in UMNO. THat's how low....UMNO is right now. Listening to that Mat bin Mat…confirms that throughout the whole world…only in Malaysia…a ruling government will decorate a crook..and install him as a Senator….now ..a Minister.
He keep saying..”God’s will”…in between.. answering a question.
I wonder what God will support a proven crook.
Enough of that….he spoke with a soft and pleasing tone…answering LKS…but not to the point.
Who cares he sleeps with Alsi people…in few small villages…..when not one Alsi person.. is a Minister…not one heads an important UMNO company..not one is head of ..so many…government departments.
LKS talk about a bad road…that takes 4 hours to reach ..when it should be one. All it takes…is UMNO do up the simple job…paving the road…for the benefits of the Asli people there.
Mat bin Mat again ignore…..and went on talking something else..
This is a good actor..who tell lies and cheat……cannot be trusted at all….yet a hero..now in UMNO.
THat’s how low….UMNO is right now.

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