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	<title>Comments on: Do Have some humility for P. Patto’s family</title>
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		<title>By: AhPek</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-148181</link>
		<dc:creator>AhPek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You haven&#039;t understood,zak_hammaad, you only like to think that you&#039;ve understood.In the first place you haven&#039;t caught the reason why in the first place I was prompted to bring up the article concerning some bit of Malaya&#039;s early history and is this a piece of fairy tale?How well versed are you in malaya&#039;s or malaysian history?Maybe well versed in the history that is sanctioned by UMNO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven&#8217;t understood,zak_hammaad, you only like to think that you&#8217;ve understood.In the first place you haven&#8217;t caught the reason why in the first place I was prompted to bring up the article concerning some bit of Malaya&#8217;s early history and is this a piece of fairy tale?How well versed are you in malaya&#8217;s or malaysian history?Maybe well versed in the history that is sanctioned by UMNO?</p>
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		<title>By: katdog</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-148035</link>
		<dc:creator>katdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know very well BN has been in the past busy with their Ketuanan Melayu stuff renaming road&#039;s to Malay names.

But why is DAP following in the footsteps of BN? So what&#039;s the purpose of renaming the road? Ketuanan India? No one is belittling P Patto&#039;s contribution, but as people have pointed out, there are other ways to honour this man. How will renaming the road help the hardcore poor Indian&#039;s? How about scholarship awards for poor students in honour of P Patto? Isn&#039;t that way better?

tsk...tsk... DAP, most of your leaders are impractical and unpragmatic and incapable of thinking beyond their everyday (loser) politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know very well BN has been in the past busy with their Ketuanan Melayu stuff renaming road&#8217;s to Malay names.</p>
<p>But why is DAP following in the footsteps of BN? So what&#8217;s the purpose of renaming the road? Ketuanan India? No one is belittling P Patto&#8217;s contribution, but as people have pointed out, there are other ways to honour this man. How will renaming the road help the hardcore poor Indian&#8217;s? How about scholarship awards for poor students in honour of P Patto? Isn&#8217;t that way better?</p>
<p>tsk&#8230;tsk&#8230; DAP, most of your leaders are impractical and unpragmatic and incapable of thinking beyond their everyday (loser) politics.</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-148013</link>
		<dc:creator>zak_hammaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AhPek, I can read very well thank you. Selective &#039;education&#039; is neither healthy nor makes for an impartial debate. Furthermore, your post is full of too many suppositions and unsubstantiated folklore and fairytales. That is why if you brought up one point at a time, we could deal with it comprehensively before moving to your next misinformed point.

p.s. My reproduction of chedet.com (on 2 occasions) was noted and marked with &quot;in case you missed it&quot; - It shows that you certainly did miss it :^)

Good day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AhPek, I can read very well thank you. Selective &#8216;education&#8217; is neither healthy nor makes for an impartial debate. Furthermore, your post is full of too many suppositions and unsubstantiated folklore and fairytales. That is why if you brought up one point at a time, we could deal with it comprehensively before moving to your next misinformed point.</p>
<p>p.s. My reproduction of chedet.com (on 2 occasions) was noted and marked with &#8220;in case you missed it&#8221; &#8211; It shows that you certainly did miss it :^)</p>
<p>Good day.</p>
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		<title>By: AhPek</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-147996</link>
		<dc:creator>AhPek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zak_hammaad,
                     Can you not read and understand properly?I&#039;ve said I reproduce an article to educate and not like you doing copying and pasting your mentor mamak&#039;s opinion as if it was your own.It was pointed out to you not so long ago.You know the meaning of &#039;plagiarize&#039; don&#039;t you??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zak_hammaad,<br />
                     Can you not read and understand properly?I&#8217;ve said I reproduce an article to educate and not like you doing copying and pasting your mentor mamak&#8217;s opinion as if it was your own.It was pointed out to you not so long ago.You know the meaning of &#8216;plagiarize&#8217; don&#8217;t you??</p>
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		<title>By: ykcir</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-147969</link>
		<dc:creator>ykcir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear AhPek, loved your comments. U have a blog of your own that I can visit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear AhPek, loved your comments. U have a blog of your own that I can visit?</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-147965</link>
		<dc:creator>zak_hammaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AhPek, copying and pasting alternative propaganda reflects your desperation. Perhaps it would be condusive to keep your questions short, so as to give others an opportunity to counter your views and perceptions on racial history.

Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AhPek, copying and pasting alternative propaganda reflects your desperation. Perhaps it would be condusive to keep your questions short, so as to give others an opportunity to counter your views and perceptions on racial history.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: AhPek</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-147946</link>
		<dc:creator>AhPek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must apologise for being off topic here (but then again one might also argue it is not entirely) but I am peeved by cintanegara&#039;s innuendo that there is no attempt to marginalise contributions by non Malays.I am reproducing an article below to educate cintanegara,his fellow UMNO apologists like melurian,kasim amat and Malaysians who have been taught Malaysian History over the last 15 to 20 years or so.

 A Small Piece Of HISTORY For Our Future Generation

Hitler&#039;s public relations manager Goebbels once said &quot;If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.&quot;.Looks like that is what UMNO has been doing ever since Mamakthir came into power. This has spawned a new generation of Malaysians who do not know their own history. 
Once again our government had to wipe out any references to a famous Melaka prince as being Hindu and belonging to the powerful Hindu empire Sri Vijaya. So all of a sudden our museums,school text-books etc all refer Parameswara as a Malay prince,just like the fairy who turns a pumpkin into a grand carriage to take Cindarella to the ball with a magic wand.It&#039;s just that easy.That&#039;s how magical the wand of &quot;Ketuanan Melayu&quot; is---can turn an Indian into a Malay.
What race ruled or did not rule is besides the point. What is important is not butchering history to create your own truths. You cannot change your race even if you convert--Parameswara could not have been responsible to UMNO&#039;s stupidity and false sense of heritage thro &#039;Ketuanan Melayu&#039;. If this is what it is based on,there is no &#039;Ketuanan Melayu&#039; because the lineage of Melaka Sultans was an Indian and a Hindu Prince.It is clear from records that Parameswara never converted to Islam.He was an Indian Hindu who fled Palembang in Sumatra to eventually found Melaka circa 1400 AD and start the entire Malaysian royalty.Malaysian royalty was and is of Indian/Hindu origin.On the other hand it was Sri Maharaja who converted himself and the court of Melaka to Islam,and as a result took on the name of Mohammed Shah sometime after 1435.
But what is really sad is that our children are taught as though Malaysian history suddenly began in 1400 with an Islamic Melaka. Even the Malays themselves are being cheated by UMNO into believing that everything started around 1400.WE are also led to believe that the Indians and Chinese first arrived on the shores of Malaysia only around 1850 as desparate indentured labourers,farmers and miners.NOTHING COULD BE FURTHUR FROM THE TRUTH.
The cultural influence of India in particular,and China in South East Asia span over 2000 yearsstarting perhaps with the arrival from India of the Brahmanical prince/scholar--Aji Saka in Java in AD 78, thro to Vietnam,Cambodia(Indo-China)Thailand,Burma,Indonesia,Bali,Borneo and beyond.Malay culture is Indian culture.In fact the whole of South East Asia is heavily influenced by Indian culture.
The findings at Bujang valley speak of an ancient Indian/Hindu presence in Kedah.There were Chinese settlements in Pahang and Kelantan around the 13th-14th century and in the 12th century Singapore.The early Brunei Sultanate had a Chinese Queen.One need not ponder at length the implications of Angkor Wat and Borobudur or that 40%-50% of Bahasa Malaysia comprises Sangkrit/Tamil words.But all of these are hidden away from the rakyat inc the Malays themselves so the Malays in particular grow up with limited knowledge of their own country and heritage.
An important archeological find that pointed to one of the greatest empires of
all times in history--Raja Cholan empire that ruled from the Maldives thro India,Sri Lanka and right down to South East Asia found deep in the jungles of Johore a few years ago and made headlines in the main stream newspapers in 2005 suddenly disappeared from the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must apologise for being off topic here (but then again one might also argue it is not entirely) but I am peeved by cintanegara&#8217;s innuendo that there is no attempt to marginalise contributions by non Malays.I am reproducing an article below to educate cintanegara,his fellow UMNO apologists like melurian,kasim amat and Malaysians who have been taught Malaysian History over the last 15 to 20 years or so.</p>
<p> A Small Piece Of HISTORY For Our Future Generation</p>
<p>Hitler&#8217;s public relations manager Goebbels once said &#8220;If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.&#8221;.Looks like that is what UMNO has been doing ever since Mamakthir came into power. This has spawned a new generation of Malaysians who do not know their own history.<br />
Once again our government had to wipe out any references to a famous Melaka prince as being Hindu and belonging to the powerful Hindu empire Sri Vijaya. So all of a sudden our museums,school text-books etc all refer Parameswara as a Malay prince,just like the fairy who turns a pumpkin into a grand carriage to take Cindarella to the ball with a magic wand.It&#8217;s just that easy.That&#8217;s how magical the wand of &#8220;Ketuanan Melayu&#8221; is&#8212;can turn an Indian into a Malay.<br />
What race ruled or did not rule is besides the point. What is important is not butchering history to create your own truths. You cannot change your race even if you convert&#8211;Parameswara could not have been responsible to UMNO&#8217;s stupidity and false sense of heritage thro &#8216;Ketuanan Melayu&#8217;. If this is what it is based on,there is no &#8216;Ketuanan Melayu&#8217; because the lineage of Melaka Sultans was an Indian and a Hindu Prince.It is clear from records that Parameswara never converted to Islam.He was an Indian Hindu who fled Palembang in Sumatra to eventually found Melaka circa 1400 AD and start the entire Malaysian royalty.Malaysian royalty was and is of Indian/Hindu origin.On the other hand it was Sri Maharaja who converted himself and the court of Melaka to Islam,and as a result took on the name of Mohammed Shah sometime after 1435.<br />
But what is really sad is that our children are taught as though Malaysian history suddenly began in 1400 with an Islamic Melaka. Even the Malays themselves are being cheated by UMNO into believing that everything started around 1400.WE are also led to believe that the Indians and Chinese first arrived on the shores of Malaysia only around 1850 as desparate indentured labourers,farmers and miners.NOTHING COULD BE FURTHUR FROM THE TRUTH.<br />
The cultural influence of India in particular,and China in South East Asia span over 2000 yearsstarting perhaps with the arrival from India of the Brahmanical prince/scholar&#8211;Aji Saka in Java in AD 78, thro to Vietnam,Cambodia(Indo-China)Thailand,Burma,Indonesia,Bali,Borneo and beyond.Malay culture is Indian culture.In fact the whole of South East Asia is heavily influenced by Indian culture.<br />
The findings at Bujang valley speak of an ancient Indian/Hindu presence in Kedah.There were Chinese settlements in Pahang and Kelantan around the 13th-14th century and in the 12th century Singapore.The early Brunei Sultanate had a Chinese Queen.One need not ponder at length the implications of Angkor Wat and Borobudur or that 40%-50% of Bahasa Malaysia comprises Sangkrit/Tamil words.But all of these are hidden away from the rakyat inc the Malays themselves so the Malays in particular grow up with limited knowledge of their own country and heritage.<br />
An important archeological find that pointed to one of the greatest empires of<br />
all times in history&#8211;Raja Cholan empire that ruled from the Maldives thro India,Sri Lanka and right down to South East Asia found deep in the jungles of Johore a few years ago and made headlines in the main stream newspapers in 2005 suddenly disappeared from the news.</p>
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		<title>By: AhPek</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-147943</link>
		<dc:creator>AhPek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure I agree with those who are peeved by the act of altering road names that are already in existent for a long time to new names honouring their comrades.Nothing against Mr. Patto but if you have to honour him,why not name a new residential Taman after him or a new state road or any public place built by the state.That would not provoke any controversy from current existing residents or businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure I agree with those who are peeved by the act of altering road names that are already in existent for a long time to new names honouring their comrades.Nothing against Mr. Patto but if you have to honour him,why not name a new residential Taman after him or a new state road or any public place built by the state.That would not provoke any controversy from current existing residents or businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: bentoh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-147939</link>
		<dc:creator>bentoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the comments make me roll my eyes like mad...

Got no idea why you can name a garden using a person&#039;s name but not the roads...

In KL, Jalan Alor was renamed to some weird planet name... In Kepong, roads are renamed into little Sarawak...

In KL again, Jalan Tun Tan Siew Sin used to called Jalan Silang, which was of &quot;historical significance&quot; if you ask me...

Jalan Tun HS Lee used to be High Street...

Just to give my hypocritic friends a suggestion, let&#039;s petition to restore the name Jalan Silang, High Street and a lot more, shall we?!

Anyway, I do think that changing a significant road&#039;s name such as Jalan Alor is not good, if Jalan Silibin is there for years, then don&#039;t bother to change it, simple as that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the comments make me roll my eyes like mad&#8230;</p>
<p>Got no idea why you can name a garden using a person&#8217;s name but not the roads&#8230;</p>
<p>In KL, Jalan Alor was renamed to some weird planet name&#8230; In Kepong, roads are renamed into little Sarawak&#8230;</p>
<p>In KL again, Jalan Tun Tan Siew Sin used to called Jalan Silang, which was of &#8220;historical significance&#8221; if you ask me&#8230;</p>
<p>Jalan Tun HS Lee used to be High Street&#8230;</p>
<p>Just to give my hypocritic friends a suggestion, let&#8217;s petition to restore the name Jalan Silang, High Street and a lot more, shall we?!</p>
<p>Anyway, I do think that changing a significant road&#8217;s name such as Jalan Alor is not good, if Jalan Silibin is there for years, then don&#8217;t bother to change it, simple as that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: m.hwang</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-147934</link>
		<dc:creator>m.hwang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choose another road, park, whatever and put an end to all this unwanted publicity. Please spare the family of the great man from this humiliation. The idea, though noble, has been turned into a PR nightmare.

P.Patto deserves better. May his soul rest in peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choose another road, park, whatever and put an end to all this unwanted publicity. Please spare the family of the great man from this humiliation. The idea, though noble, has been turned into a PR nightmare.</p>
<p>P.Patto deserves better. May his soul rest in peace.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-147920</link>
		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the problem with DAP, now busy over renaming of roads and putting up multilingual road signs.  Please lah, clean up the towns and cities rather than spending valuable resources making new road signs in different languages. In what ways  are you different from BN, Guan Eng? I think you are living under the coconut shell, not us.  Typical third world mentality!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the problem with DAP, now busy over renaming of roads and putting up multilingual road signs.  Please lah, clean up the towns and cities rather than spending valuable resources making new road signs in different languages. In what ways  are you different from BN, Guan Eng? I think you are living under the coconut shell, not us.  Typical third world mentality!</p>
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		<title>By: max2811</title>
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		<dc:creator>max2811</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Ipoh. Is it that necessary to name the road after Mr Patto? Silibin Road has been around for so many years. You can name a new road or a new building after him but not something that has been around for so long. I think DAP Perak is playing gutter politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Ipoh. Is it that necessary to name the road after Mr Patto? Silibin Road has been around for so many years. You can name a new road or a new building after him but not something that has been around for so long. I think DAP Perak is playing gutter politics.</p>
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		<title>By: rubini</title>
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		<dc:creator>rubini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Malaysian, i truly feel disgusted the manner which a simple proposal to change road names have become. Must we engage in gutter politics. Some will agree &amp; some will not, does this mean we must act/speak. I think it would  appropriate that a person of Mr. Patto should have a School, Park, Public Building or any Private/public institution which serves the public diligently named after him. That would honor the man and his legacy. So DAP, what&#039;s do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Malaysian, i truly feel disgusted the manner which a simple proposal to change road names have become. Must we engage in gutter politics. Some will agree &amp; some will not, does this mean we must act/speak. I think it would  appropriate that a person of Mr. Patto should have a School, Park, Public Building or any Private/public institution which serves the public diligently named after him. That would honor the man and his legacy. So DAP, what&#8217;s do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/21/do-have-some-humility-for-p-patto%e2%80%99s-family/comment-page-1/#comment-147895</link>
		<dc:creator>zak_hammaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonberry, it was exactly seven years ago when the DAP made a big hue and cry over the Ipoh city council renaming Jalan Koo Chong Kong to Jalan Tabung Haji.

Uncle Lim was apparently so upset that he called upon Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Mohd Tajol Rosli Ghazali to sack the whole city council for committing the ultimate Malaysian offence.

&quot;The menteri besar should dissolve the Ipoh city council - as a lesson to all city, municipal and district councillors to guard against the ultimate Malaysian offence of total insensitivity and lack of pride and respect for Malaysian history and the country&#039;s multiracial heritage,&quot; he said.

Following protests from numerous quarters, the city council buckled under pressure and subsequently reinstated the original name after a few days.

The road was named after Tan Sri Koo Chong Kong who was appointed Perak police chief in 1975 to quell the communist threat in the state. He was shot dead in his car by two terrorists while on his way home on Nov 13, 1975 and was accorded a hero&#039;s funeral in Seremban attended by 20,000 people, including Prime Minister Tun Abdul Razak Hussein.

Hill Road between the city police headquarters and the newly-built Tabung Haji building was renamed after him in 1985 to acknowledge his contribution and sacrifice.

Since early this month, the same scenario is slowly taking shape but this time around it is the DAP that is pushing to rename Jalan Silibin after the former DAP state party chairman P. Patto.

This has not gone down well with the residents and business community there who viewed the party as trying to bulldoze its way through despite DAP representatives producing a street survey claiming that more than 70 per cent of Jalan Silibin folks agreed with the proposal - should have been conducted by an independent body and within the wider Ipoh area if you ask me.

As protests from the various quarters grew, the Pakatan state government finally relented and said that it would hear the people&#039;s views first before deciding on the matter. Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Mohammad Nizar Jamaluddin has already agreed in principle to honour the late Patto by renaming one of the roads in Little India.

State DAP leaders, however, seemed reluctant to accept Nizar&#039;s offer, perhaps due to the prominence, or the lack of it, of the road in question. &quot;Nizar has offered to rename Lorong Lahat after Patto and I think the DAP leaders are not going to agree as they want something more prominent for him,&quot; said a source.

With the state government planning to hold a forum on this issue, a community leader noted that while Patto might deserve to be honoured, subjecting his name to public discussion and possible ridicule should be avoided at all costs. He said that placing a monument at the roundabout at Jalan Silibin would be more meaningful than renaming the road which has now become a controversy.

This might seem the rational way to solve the problem and save the state government from being accused of being under the thumb of the DAP. As the state chief executive officer, Nizar must put his foot down and resolve the matter once and for all.

After all, he has made the DAP an offer and should not be seen acceding to their whims and fancies.

Former Datuk Bandar Datuk Talaat Husain, moments after putting back the &quot;Jalan Koo Chong Kong&quot; signboard in 2001, humbly said: &quot;It was an oversight on our part...we are now aware of the sensitivity involved and we didn&#039;t have any intention to offend anyone.&quot;

Is the Pakatan Rakyat state government willing to do the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonberry, it was exactly seven years ago when the DAP made a big hue and cry over the Ipoh city council renaming Jalan Koo Chong Kong to Jalan Tabung Haji.</p>
<p>Uncle Lim was apparently so upset that he called upon Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Mohd Tajol Rosli Ghazali to sack the whole city council for committing the ultimate Malaysian offence.</p>
<p>&#8220;The menteri besar should dissolve the Ipoh city council &#8211; as a lesson to all city, municipal and district councillors to guard against the ultimate Malaysian offence of total insensitivity and lack of pride and respect for Malaysian history and the country&#8217;s multiracial heritage,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Following protests from numerous quarters, the city council buckled under pressure and subsequently reinstated the original name after a few days.</p>
<p>The road was named after Tan Sri Koo Chong Kong who was appointed Perak police chief in 1975 to quell the communist threat in the state. He was shot dead in his car by two terrorists while on his way home on Nov 13, 1975 and was accorded a hero&#8217;s funeral in Seremban attended by 20,000 people, including Prime Minister Tun Abdul Razak Hussein.</p>
<p>Hill Road between the city police headquarters and the newly-built Tabung Haji building was renamed after him in 1985 to acknowledge his contribution and sacrifice.</p>
<p>Since early this month, the same scenario is slowly taking shape but this time around it is the DAP that is pushing to rename Jalan Silibin after the former DAP state party chairman P. Patto.</p>
<p>This has not gone down well with the residents and business community there who viewed the party as trying to bulldoze its way through despite DAP representatives producing a street survey claiming that more than 70 per cent of Jalan Silibin folks agreed with the proposal &#8211; should have been conducted by an independent body and within the wider Ipoh area if you ask me.</p>
<p>As protests from the various quarters grew, the Pakatan state government finally relented and said that it would hear the people&#8217;s views first before deciding on the matter. Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Mohammad Nizar Jamaluddin has already agreed in principle to honour the late Patto by renaming one of the roads in Little India.</p>
<p>State DAP leaders, however, seemed reluctant to accept Nizar&#8217;s offer, perhaps due to the prominence, or the lack of it, of the road in question. &#8220;Nizar has offered to rename Lorong Lahat after Patto and I think the DAP leaders are not going to agree as they want something more prominent for him,&#8221; said a source.</p>
<p>With the state government planning to hold a forum on this issue, a community leader noted that while Patto might deserve to be honoured, subjecting his name to public discussion and possible ridicule should be avoided at all costs. He said that placing a monument at the roundabout at Jalan Silibin would be more meaningful than renaming the road which has now become a controversy.</p>
<p>This might seem the rational way to solve the problem and save the state government from being accused of being under the thumb of the DAP. As the state chief executive officer, Nizar must put his foot down and resolve the matter once and for all.</p>
<p>After all, he has made the DAP an offer and should not be seen acceding to their whims and fancies.</p>
<p>Former Datuk Bandar Datuk Talaat Husain, moments after putting back the &#8220;Jalan Koo Chong Kong&#8221; signboard in 2001, humbly said: &#8220;It was an oversight on our part&#8230;we are now aware of the sensitivity involved and we didn&#8217;t have any intention to offend anyone.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is the Pakatan Rakyat state government willing to do the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Tonberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just go ahead with the renaming of Jalan Silibin to Jalan P.Patto.
Umno &amp; MCA have been very busy inciting people to oppose this move for the past few weeks. Some years ago, Umno changed the well-known road Jalan Kampar to Jalan(apa nama)..Bainun(i forgot the name) That was 100 times worse than renaming Jalan Silibin as Jalan Kampar is a main road!

I am from Ipoh too and i support renaming Jalan Silibin to Jalan P.Patto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just go ahead with the renaming of Jalan Silibin to Jalan P.Patto.<br />
Umno &amp; MCA have been very busy inciting people to oppose this move for the past few weeks. Some years ago, Umno changed the well-known road Jalan Kampar to Jalan(apa nama)..Bainun(i forgot the name) That was 100 times worse than renaming Jalan Silibin as Jalan Kampar is a main road!</p>
<p>I am from Ipoh too and i support renaming Jalan Silibin to Jalan P.Patto.</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh! Should have been &quot;...renaming a road is a BAD idea...&quot;!

This is a very small matter, but makes me wonder about a &#039;sky change&#039;. If hundreds of politicians who have been doing (to whatever level of efficiency or public benefit) their jobs for decades are suddenly replaced by well intended but badly prepared people who have never done those jobs, won&#039;t we see a lot more of this kind of thing?

Maybe PR could offset fears of a well-meaning, but novice government by making transparent quality management part of their manifesto, if not the foundation of the way they approach politics.

Stop me if I&#039;m being &#039;too foreign&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh! Should have been &#8220;&#8230;renaming a road is a BAD idea&#8230;&#8221;!</p>
<p>This is a very small matter, but makes me wonder about a &#8216;sky change&#8217;. If hundreds of politicians who have been doing (to whatever level of efficiency or public benefit) their jobs for decades are suddenly replaced by well intended but badly prepared people who have never done those jobs, won&#8217;t we see a lot more of this kind of thing?</p>
<p>Maybe PR could offset fears of a well-meaning, but novice government by making transparent quality management part of their manifesto, if not the foundation of the way they approach politics.</p>
<p>Stop me if I&#8217;m being &#8216;too foreign&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in rough agreement with anybody who thinks renaming a road is a good idea, no matter how impressive the person it is intended to honour. Why not maintain a list of &#039;those to be honoured&#039; and a list of &#039;proposed developments which can be named in honour&#039;? I&#039;m sure there must be some new roads, parks, public amenities, rooms in public buildings etc, being built in Ipoh that could be named in honour of those who dedicated themselves to a better Malaysia.

I feel sympathy for his family to be caught up in the affair, I imagine they would feel rightly proud of a monument to their loved one. The letter itself reads as though it&#039;s written by a lover spurned - the plan to rename a road was ill-conceived. It was a mistake, and people make mistakes- it&#039;s okay! Now just think of a better way of carrying out your plan. No need to accuse people of uproar - you got it wrong, now you have some humility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in rough agreement with anybody who thinks renaming a road is a good idea, no matter how impressive the person it is intended to honour. Why not maintain a list of &#8216;those to be honoured&#8217; and a list of &#8216;proposed developments which can be named in honour&#8217;? I&#8217;m sure there must be some new roads, parks, public amenities, rooms in public buildings etc, being built in Ipoh that could be named in honour of those who dedicated themselves to a better Malaysia.</p>
<p>I feel sympathy for his family to be caught up in the affair, I imagine they would feel rightly proud of a monument to their loved one. The letter itself reads as though it&#8217;s written by a lover spurned &#8211; the plan to rename a road was ill-conceived. It was a mistake, and people make mistakes- it&#8217;s okay! Now just think of a better way of carrying out your plan. No need to accuse people of uproar &#8211; you got it wrong, now you have some humility.</p>
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		<title>By: frankyapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankyapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah,Mr.P patto deserved it. He was my opposition hero.My congratulation to family,esp.Mrs patto. Yeap,I saw Jalan Yap Ah Loy somewhere in KL.Is it true that he was the founder of Kuala Lumpur ? If it&#039;s true,I think we should build a permanent statue of this man in the middle of the city.Any guys wanna be defered ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,Mr.P patto deserved it. He was my opposition hero.My congratulation to family,esp.Mrs patto. Yeap,I saw Jalan Yap Ah Loy somewhere in KL.Is it true that he was the founder of Kuala Lumpur ? If it&#8217;s true,I think we should build a permanent statue of this man in the middle of the city.Any guys wanna be defered ?</p>
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		<title>By: negarawan</title>
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		<dc:creator>negarawan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PKR and DAP got more important things to do than changing road names. Please focus on good governance and toppling BN</description>
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		<title>By: homeblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>homeblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to belittle the contributions of Patto, but there are more important things to worry about than the name of a road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to belittle the contributions of Patto, but there are more important things to worry about than the name of a road.</p>
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