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	<title>Comments on: Irene Fernandez: The Best or Worst of Malaysia?</title>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/03/irene-fernandez-the-best-or-worst-of-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-145011</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She should be freed for &#039;time served&#039; waiting for the trial and then the appeal seeing her life in ruins. Unfortunately there is no such thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She should be freed for &#8216;time served&#8217; waiting for the trial and then the appeal seeing her life in ruins. Unfortunately there is no such thing.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/03/irene-fernandez-the-best-or-worst-of-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-144894</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Freedom of speech is not freedom to say anything you like. It must be confined and cannot hurt the public or national interest,” said Augustin.”


Who defines &#039;national interest&#039; and in the case of legislation like the Internal Security Act, &#039;national security&#039;. Who decides who is and is not a threat to national security. What is or is not national security??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Freedom of speech is not freedom to say anything you like. It must be confined and cannot hurt the public or national interest,” said Augustin.”</p>
<p>Who defines &#8216;national interest&#8217; and in the case of legislation like the Internal Security Act, &#8216;national security&#8217;. Who decides who is and is not a threat to national security. What is or is not national security??</p>
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		<title>By: lee wee tak_</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee wee tak_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give her a formal post in 1 of the Pakatan State ... Ex-Co, Adviser in Human Resource or Environment or something to her strength. 

Or better, let the 5 Pakatan state form a sort of &quot;pseudo-federal gomen&quot; to co-ordinate their policies and let this angel of compassion and fairness to have an advisory / executive role&quot;. She will make a heck of a shadow minister.

A form of recognition and also empower her to a certain extent to help address the inequality that exist. She might be the best person in the know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give her a formal post in 1 of the Pakatan State &#8230; Ex-Co, Adviser in Human Resource or Environment or something to her strength. </p>
<p>Or better, let the 5 Pakatan state form a sort of &#8220;pseudo-federal gomen&#8221; to co-ordinate their policies and let this angel of compassion and fairness to have an advisory / executive role&#8221;. She will make a heck of a shadow minister.</p>
<p>A form of recognition and also empower her to a certain extent to help address the inequality that exist. She might be the best person in the know</p>
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		<title>By: lee wee tak_</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee wee tak_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“The court must take into account the interest of the nation. Freedom of speech is not freedom to say anything you like. It must be confined and cannot hurt the public or national interest,” said Augustin.&quot;

-- I agree absolutely....but will there be a consistency of application by the court in Malaysia without regards to any affiliation?

-- I suppose the tearing up of Koh Tsu Koon&#039;s photos does not hurt the public or national interest; nor the words uttered during that particular emotional day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“The court must take into account the interest of the nation. Freedom of speech is not freedom to say anything you like. It must be confined and cannot hurt the public or national interest,” said Augustin.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; I agree absolutely&#8230;.but will there be a consistency of application by the court in Malaysia without regards to any affiliation?</p>
<p>&#8211; I suppose the tearing up of Koh Tsu Koon&#8217;s photos does not hurt the public or national interest; nor the words uttered during that particular emotional day</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is one of those cases where the punishment is not in being found guilty as charged but to have to live under a cloud for 13 years and seeing your life ruined.&quot; - undergrad2

But it will only make us stronger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is one of those cases where the punishment is not in being found guilty as charged but to have to live under a cloud for 13 years and seeing your life ruined.&#8221; &#8211; undergrad2</p>
<p>But it will only make us stronger.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The findings of her report cannot be false. Nor is truth ever malicious. Fernandez has been a role model of right living, despite the sword of Damocles that has dangled over her head for the past 13 years. That’s a long time to live under restricted freedoms..&quot;

This is one of those cases where the punishment is not in being found guilty as charged but to have to live under a cloud for 13 years and seeing your life ruined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The findings of her report cannot be false. Nor is truth ever malicious. Fernandez has been a role model of right living, despite the sword of Damocles that has dangled over her head for the past 13 years. That’s a long time to live under restricted freedoms..&#8221;</p>
<p>This is one of those cases where the punishment is not in being found guilty as charged but to have to live under a cloud for 13 years and seeing your life ruined.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of those cases where the punishment is the trial itself and not its verdict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of those cases where the punishment is the trial itself and not its verdict.</p>
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		<title>By: rubini</title>
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		<dc:creator>rubini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reminded of a saying &quot; No Good Deed Goes Unpunished&quot;. The end of evil has come, justice will prevail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded of a saying &#8221; No Good Deed Goes Unpunished&#8221;. The end of evil has come, justice will prevail.</p>
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		<title>By: CSKUEH</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/03/irene-fernandez-the-best-or-worst-of-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-144796</link>
		<dc:creator>CSKUEH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The findings of her report cannot be false
Being a principled lady and receiver of the Right Livelihood Award
May the injustice towards her finally come to a close               Freedom for her to be a helping hand to bring the nation forward&quot;

May God bless you, Irene Fernandez, our Malaysian heroine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The findings of her report cannot be false<br />
Being a principled lady and receiver of the Right Livelihood Award<br />
May the injustice towards her finally come to a close               Freedom for her to be a helping hand to bring the nation forward&#8221;</p>
<p>May God bless you, Irene Fernandez, our Malaysian heroine.</p>
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		<title>By: negarawan</title>
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		<dc:creator>negarawan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irene Fernandez, God bless you for your fearless and exemplary fight for the oppressed. \Happy are those who are persecuted in My name, for the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to them\ It is only because of people like you that I am proud to say I am Malaysian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irene Fernandez, God bless you for your fearless and exemplary fight for the oppressed. \Happy are those who are persecuted in My name, for the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to them\ It is only because of people like you that I am proud to say I am Malaysian.</p>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
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		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irene Fernandez, I salute you for your courage, integrity, magnanimity, humility, selflessness, and for defending and upholding the sense of justice.

May God bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irene Fernandez, I salute you for your courage, integrity, magnanimity, humility, selflessness, and for defending and upholding the sense of justice.</p>
<p>May God bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
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		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will we ever learn, when will we ever learn...

If life&#039;s a stage,we have it all in Malaysia...and one which is filled with hypocrisy, discrimination, exploitation, manipulation, bigotry, pretension, religious perversion, judiciary malpractices, political hegemony, financial plunder an embezzlement of the highest and worst case scenario ( though made to look nice and reasonable on the outside ), hidden racialism.

On this stage the evil appears holy and magnanimous; the good ever silenced and sterilised. 

On this stage some are more equal than others.

On this stage you have to be of the right colour to be able to see the light of the day.

On this stage you have to believe as they do in order that contracts or opportunity come your way.

Else, you are doomed.

The scripts are written, perhaps in stone.

Perhaps it&#039;s time that the stone be thrown to the sea for the &quot;moral arc towards justice&quot; to exert its presence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will we ever learn, when will we ever learn&#8230;</p>
<p>If life&#8217;s a stage,we have it all in Malaysia&#8230;and one which is filled with hypocrisy, discrimination, exploitation, manipulation, bigotry, pretension, religious perversion, judiciary malpractices, political hegemony, financial plunder an embezzlement of the highest and worst case scenario ( though made to look nice and reasonable on the outside ), hidden racialism.</p>
<p>On this stage the evil appears holy and magnanimous; the good ever silenced and sterilised. </p>
<p>On this stage some are more equal than others.</p>
<p>On this stage you have to be of the right colour to be able to see the light of the day.</p>
<p>On this stage you have to believe as they do in order that contracts or opportunity come your way.</p>
<p>Else, you are doomed.</p>
<p>The scripts are written, perhaps in stone.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s time that the stone be thrown to the sea for the &#8220;moral arc towards justice&#8221; to exert its presence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The moral arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice” - Martin Luther King.

Great and comforting words for the Oppressed but are they true?

I don’t see it happening here. Did Altantuya Shaariibuu or Irene Fernandez get justice so far? Or Noritta Samsudin or 14 year -old Chinese national student, Xu Jian Huang when those suspected are rich and powerful and could pull cables?

Barack Obama, April 4, 2008 said this moral arc “doesn&#039;t bend on its own. It bends because each of us puts our hands on that arc and bends it in the direction of justice. Because we organize and we mobilize, we march, we vote, we parent, we’re active in our community, we’re active in our schools.&quot; 

So he said but here the rich and powerful could stronger bend the arc more the other way towards injustice. 

So many of our political elites escape accountability . 

Take the masses, the ordinary people. If majority have evolved to stage in which they are imbued with a clear moral sense of what is right and wrong and how to deal right and avoid wrong in conduct towards one&#039;s fellow men, then fine they can coalesce in Obama&#039;s fashion to form a united front against the forces of Oppression - to bend the moral arc in the direction of justice, so to speak. 

However what is the point of a only a proprtionately select few have this moral sense or conscience whilst the preponderance of majority lack it and could be galvanised to act the other way?

Do the select few stay and fight for justice taking comfort in final vindication in Martin Luther King’s terms or - considering that it may take eons to change the rest - they ought to now fast exit, take flight and separate permanently from the rest? 

We are reminded of Hamlet&#039;s dilemma.

To fight or not to fight: that is the question: 
Whether &#039;tis nobler in the mind to suffer 
the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
The oppressor&#039;s wrong, the proud man&#039;s contumely 
bear the whips and scorns of time, 
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, 
And by opposing fight to end them - or be ended by them!

[Adapted from Hamlet&#039;s Soliloquy – Shakespeare].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The moral arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice” &#8211; Martin Luther King.</p>
<p>Great and comforting words for the Oppressed but are they true?</p>
<p>I don’t see it happening here. Did Altantuya Shaariibuu or Irene Fernandez get justice so far? Or Noritta Samsudin or 14 year -old Chinese national student, Xu Jian Huang when those suspected are rich and powerful and could pull cables?</p>
<p>Barack Obama, April 4, 2008 said this moral arc “doesn&#8217;t bend on its own. It bends because each of us puts our hands on that arc and bends it in the direction of justice. Because we organize and we mobilize, we march, we vote, we parent, we’re active in our community, we’re active in our schools.&#8221; </p>
<p>So he said but here the rich and powerful could stronger bend the arc more the other way towards injustice. </p>
<p>So many of our political elites escape accountability . </p>
<p>Take the masses, the ordinary people. If majority have evolved to stage in which they are imbued with a clear moral sense of what is right and wrong and how to deal right and avoid wrong in conduct towards one&#8217;s fellow men, then fine they can coalesce in Obama&#8217;s fashion to form a united front against the forces of Oppression &#8211; to bend the moral arc in the direction of justice, so to speak. </p>
<p>However what is the point of a only a proprtionately select few have this moral sense or conscience whilst the preponderance of majority lack it and could be galvanised to act the other way?</p>
<p>Do the select few stay and fight for justice taking comfort in final vindication in Martin Luther King’s terms or &#8211; considering that it may take eons to change the rest &#8211; they ought to now fast exit, take flight and separate permanently from the rest? </p>
<p>We are reminded of Hamlet&#8217;s dilemma.</p>
<p>To fight or not to fight: that is the question:<br />
Whether &#8217;tis nobler in the mind to suffer<br />
the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,<br />
The oppressor&#8217;s wrong, the proud man&#8217;s contumely<br />
bear the whips and scorns of time,<br />
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,<br />
And by opposing fight to end them &#8211; or be ended by them!</p>
<p>[Adapted from Hamlet's Soliloquy – Shakespeare].</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can get an idea of what tenaganita.net was about by seeing archived pages from the Wayback Machine. The latest copy is over a year old, but I saw the site online only a month ago.

http://web.archive.org/web/20071010054940/http://www.tenaganita.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can get an idea of what tenaganita.net was about by seeing archived pages from the Wayback Machine. The latest copy is over a year old, but I saw the site online only a month ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071010054940/http://www.tenaganita.net/" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20071010054940/http://www.tenaganita.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/03/irene-fernandez-the-best-or-worst-of-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-144696</link>
		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bad time to let the tenaganita.net domain lapse. If it&#039;s a money / personnel problem, let me know and I&#039;ll pay / help get the site back online. Organisations like Tenaganita are vital to Malaysia&#039;s future prosperity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bad time to let the tenaganita.net domain lapse. If it&#8217;s a money / personnel problem, let me know and I&#8217;ll pay / help get the site back online. Organisations like Tenaganita are vital to Malaysia&#8217;s future prosperity.</p>
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		<title>By: isahbiazhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>isahbiazhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To have sacrificed for the poor and downtrodden and at the same time punished by the government for telling the truth she should be extolled and made exemplary but in Malaysia the heartless UMNO/BN government had  made  her to stand trial to prove that everyone must toe their line; time will be on her side.She will be freed  and that is assured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To have sacrificed for the poor and downtrodden and at the same time punished by the government for telling the truth she should be extolled and made exemplary but in Malaysia the heartless UMNO/BN government had  made  her to stand trial to prove that everyone must toe their line; time will be on her side.She will be freed  and that is assured.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She should be bestowed a datukship by one of the Pakatan states. She deserves the title more than Sharukh Khan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She should be bestowed a datukship by one of the Pakatan states. She deserves the title more than Sharukh Khan.</p>
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		<title>By: Toyol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toyol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the problem in this country. People of principles are victimised by the BN govt. M&#039;sian heroes are blacklisted and sham accusations are hurled against them. When will we as a country grow up and embrace sound principles as a way of life and progress truly as a nation? We have too many narrow minded and corrupt leaders and unless this changes we will always be third world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the problem in this country. People of principles are victimised by the BN govt. M&#8217;sian heroes are blacklisted and sham accusations are hurled against them. When will we as a country grow up and embrace sound principles as a way of life and progress truly as a nation? We have too many narrow minded and corrupt leaders and unless this changes we will always be third world.</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
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		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umno government is uncomfortable with truth and reality. That is quite obvious. They would rather not know. So they silence anyone who breath any word about them. How long more can they go on like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umno government is uncomfortable with truth and reality. That is quite obvious. They would rather not know. So they silence anyone who breath any word about them. How long more can they go on like this?</p>
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		<title>By: mata_kucing</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/11/03/irene-fernandez-the-best-or-worst-of-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-144659</link>
		<dc:creator>mata_kucing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irene Fernandez is a folk hero in the mould of RPK. Malaysians should be proud of her. There are few who is so compassionate and courageous as her. To me, I put her comfortably within the 10 most admired personalities in the country. More Malaysians and in particular the opposition and the those in the law fraternity should come out and support her in her fight against injustices committed by our government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irene Fernandez is a folk hero in the mould of RPK. Malaysians should be proud of her. There are few who is so compassionate and courageous as her. To me, I put her comfortably within the 10 most admired personalities in the country. More Malaysians and in particular the opposition and the those in the law fraternity should come out and support her in her fight against injustices committed by our government.</p>
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