A call for the review of NEP is not a call for the review of Article 153 or attack on Malay special rights. This is because NEP cannot be equated with Article 153.
This argument on the differences between Article 153 and the NEP surfaced in Parliament on Wednesday, October 29th October 2008 in exchanges during the winding-up debate on the 2009 Budget involving two Ministers in the Prime Minister’s Department, Datuk Seri Nazri Abdullah and Senator Datuk Amirsham Aziz, as illustrated by the videos here.
#1 by Jan on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 1:08 pm
Kasim Amat, nobody can change the NEP except the Malays themselves, the demographics are in the Malays’ favor. Therefore your people can keep it till eternity and there’s nothing the Non Malays can do about it except complain. However please bear in mind the NEP does NOT create a investor friendly environment thus it drives away foreign investors who can provide jobs and it also drives away good talented non Malays who can help develop this country of ours. Worse of all it makes your race cacat and crutch dependent. This is something we are worried about. If the majority race of a country are not competitive we the non Malays will be affected whether we like it or not. We are together in this ship called Malaysia, we sink or swim together.
So do you want to sit on your fat behind looking arrogant waving your keris or do you want to fight for our country together?
#2 by veddy.lum74 on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 1:10 pm
kasim amat,i thought you were one of them been ‘hijacked’ to taiwan recently,nevermind,if you didnt go,use your head to think!
taiwan’s bumi is ‘shanti ren’,they didnt ask for quotas,but today, they were well taken care of,not like you unmo country parasites here,minta quota macam minta sedekah,tak kasi berlagak macam samseng,penyamun!whatever uncle kit said was right,you umno putras are penghisap darah!!!!!!a small tiny umno mosquito like ahmad ismail is possessing new S320 merze,and with a chauffer!
looking at senator datuk amirsham aziz’s performance,i wonder how he managed to be a ex-Maybank CEO,ambil gaji buta-buta macam phucklah sajalah!!!! :-)
#3 by shortie kiasu on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 1:10 pm
“A call for the review of NEP is not a call for the review of Article 153 or attack on Malay special rights. This is because NEP cannot be equated with Article 153.”
In actual fact, NEP had been replaced by NDP (New Development Plan), but, as expected, NEP was so ingrained in the mind of those enjoying the ‘quota’ that NEP cannot be shaken off their mind.
Some of them, especially the members of a political party, are obsessed with such rhetorics, and they are going bersek, day in and day out, just shouting such slogan. We do not understand such stupidity of theirs, which is over nothing, and for what? fighting their own shadows indeed.
These people are their own enemies, that is all. They become bersek, and moving round in circle, while other move forward.
It is pathetic to see them going bersek and moving round in circle, nothing productive is achieved, and more so, the reasson these people remain static. Give them the ‘quota’, they would be happy, but’ that is all that they are capable of acquiring, nothing beyond the ‘quota’.
Their mind and spirit is forever ensave and cocooned within the ‘quota’, and that is all they stand & live for. Who support the the underlying ‘quota’ by creating and expanding the economic cake here in the country? It is none otherthan those who are outside the realm of ‘quota’ provided by the NEP or NDP (New Development Plan)?
At the end who will be doomed, the answer is obvious.
#4 by lofuji on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 2:01 pm
TQ Tonberry for the info on M2Day .Wiil Do it afterwards.As for those writers rebutting this fellow Kaseem AhMAD,just 4get it.
Mo sai hei.He is a plant by UMNO to infiltrate blogsites such as this to stir shit.He is not stupid but just want to show his UMNO bosses that he is working by writing nonsense on this blog.
We got more pressing issues to tackle than waste time with this boot licker.
#5 by imranj78 on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 2:14 pm
Nobody seems to be proposing a solution here. As what I have posted before, if not for some mechanism like NEP/NDP, what should we Malaysians be doing to ensure an equitable wealth distribution for all???
Don’t just say abolish NEP/NDP but then have no proposed alternative solution in mind.
#6 by trublumsian on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 2:39 pm
check out this article:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/10/5/focus/1995393&sec=focus
Malaysia is included in the 11 countries to face stiff restrictions when applying for visa to the UK. Ask Rais the crack head why the estimated 30,000 mostly chinese visa violators did what they did. tell it to the brits what NEP has to do with it.
#7 by imranj78 on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 2:46 pm
trublumsian,
Disagreement to a policy in a persons home country is no excuse for breaking the law! So whatever link it has with NEP (if there is any in the first place!) is not an allowable excuse. A person can always apply for a proper working Visa to UK as many have done.
#8 by Jan on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 3:25 pm
If they could apply for a proper working visa they would have done so but they couldn’t because they lack the qualifications.
Many non bumis with good grades could not find education opportunities back home due to the NEP. Neither could they find work with govt agencies also due to NEP(Malays only policy). One of the things they could do is to find work overseas whether legal or illegal so that they can make a better life for themselves and their families. I am not saying what they do is right but when one is discriminated and pushed to the wall they will do anything to survive. The least you could do imranj78 is be sympathetic to such people and hope the govt will be fair to all its citizens and provide the opportunities to all races.
Not only the govt does not give equitable opportunities they demand that non bumiputra companies to give up 30% of their share for the bumiputras. If you are Chinese businessman would you want to give up part of your hard work to others who are not deserving. Do you feel encouraged to expand with this requirement from the govt? This policy is wrong, no country can thrive without a free market economy and NEP is not free market friendly.
The Malays are the majority race and they can keep the NEP as long as they want but once the oil runs out and most of its talented people leave the country will be reduced to the standard of Zimbabwe or Burma. Mark my words.
#9 by Loh on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 3:26 pm
///what should we Malaysians be doing to ensure an equitable wealth distribution for all??? ///Imraj 78
Marxist ideology did very well in equitable wealth distribution. Eventually it was poverty that got distributed.
In years past, the Malay leaders wanted to ensure that their people will not be left behind after Independence, and asked for 15 years to catch up, in accordance to special protection given under Article 153. The late Tun Ismail said that he was pleasantly surprised that the non-Malay leaders then had no problems with the proposal and were supportive of the Article, (They did not bargained like the current leaders wanted people to believe, Read ‘the reluctant politician?’). Tun Dr. Ismail said then that Malays out of pride for the community would not want to continue enjoying the protection of Article 153 when they no longer required them. The leaders then did not say anything about distribution of wealth.
The Malays today who are most vocal about the special position of Malays are very different from the Malays who joined the non-Malays in negotiating with the British for Malaya’s independence. The prominent heroes of the present Malays are TDM and Ahmad Ismail of “Penumpang” notoriety, just to name a few. TDM’s father was an Indian migrated from India to Kedah. Ahmad Ismail grandfather came from India too. So, in 1957 before independence they would be known as Indians, like all paternal society, the race of the children follows the father. When Tun Dr.Ismail made his comments regarding the pride of Malays, he must be thinking that the leaders that would honor the pledge of Tun Dr Ismail and the early UMNO leaders would be the Malays, the race that Tun Dr Ismail knew. He certainly knew that Malays true to their adat and culture would honour the pledge out of pride.
When one talks about the pride of the family, one must truly be a member of that family to feel the obligation. If one does not belong, the pride or otherwise of the family means nothing. So, it is not the pride when the Malay leaders today feel about the pledge made by Tun Dr Ismail and his cohorts. It is the opportunity they see how that article 153 could be utilized in perpetuity. When that article can be utilized to create the mindset that modern Malays are weak and need UMNO for protection, and they should fight and follow the leaders. History shows that UMNO leaders are ever so happy that their followers are convinced that they require special assistance, to the extent that they forgo the pride to proclaim that the Malays had attained the target of acquiring 30% of the corporate share capital, that too, two decades ago. Only UMNO leaders think that Malays can be fooled though they know very well that non-Malays knew the truth. UMNO leader were not bothered that non-Malays knew all along that UMNO use their number to bully, and that is why they exhibited such arrogance before the 308 election. The Malays in that election told UMNO leaders that they too knew the truth!
Natural justice knows about recompense. That is Ah Q thought which should not be encouraged. But since Tun Dr.Ismail is not around, and no more Tun Dr. Ismail would be born to his position, Article 153 that gave birth to NEP has doomed Bolehland. The worst was non-Malays also bought into the idea of wealth distribution as though people in power should play God. In the days of Huangti 5000 years ago, the ruler knew that they should help those that needed assistance. In modern days even in USA, Obama is talking about spreading wealth around. When Obama gets elected, Malaysia would claim that Obama had been inspired by NEP philosophy. That would be a reaffirmation of NEP.
#10 by UzMiNoOnist on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 7:31 pm
UMNO is still poisoning the Bumiputra’s mind that in this country they need the special economic privilege protection.
I say continue the good work UMNO putras, I am so happy that you still believe that Bumis are competing with the non-Bumis for business.
Today all our competitors are no more from another non-Bumi Malaysians but businesses from India, China, the Arabs, the Jews, the Whites, the Africans, the Aussies, the Kiwis, the Indons, and everybody else other than non-Bumis in Malaysia.
This is simply because after 51 years of marginalization and discrimination, non-bumis has no more the competence and financial strength to succeed in Malaysia even in sundry businesses.
The non-bumis is also left scrapping for crumps with Malaysianized Indons, Pakistanis, and the Arabs.
So, if the CEO of Maybank (ex-) still profess that NEP is still relevant, then I am a happy man today as we are all going to sink together.
Cheers to you UMNO putras.
See you all in the sink hole soon.
#11 by imranj78 on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 9:40 pm
Jan,
While I am sympathetic to those who have been truly been deprived of an appropriate opportunity to thrive, those who break the law deserve no sympathy in my view. And I still disagree that these Malaysian illegal immigrants in UK are pushed to go there due to NEP. To those who say it is, what is your basis for saying so?
Even when the oil runs out, I am sure we will still have more then enough talented people in the country to continue on. Putting Malaysia in the same light as Zimbabwe and Burma is too extreme in my view. Care to share similarities, facts, figure to back up your claim? If you have none, may I suggest you think critically before making such ignorant statements.
To those who think that NEP/NDP equates to UMNO you are wrong. I am no fan of UMNO and it is my firm believe that NEP/NDP will still be around with or without UMNO as I have stated before.
Still no good proposals on wealth distribution anyone? Maybe many here are just selfish and only concerned about their own/group’s economic pie and are not concerned about the bigger picture on how to ensure equitable wealth distribution in the country. Please proof me wrong and put forward your ideas.
#12 by Loh on Sunday, 2 November 2008 - 10:27 pm
Wealth is what people create and save after spending. Is it fair to grab what other save to be one’s own? Should that even be a way of life to be encouraged?
Has the wealth of any ethnic group ready to be shared with members of the community. Daim is very very rich, but is his money shared around? When nobody can claim to have a share of the wealth belong to other members of the community what concern should one have, and much less selfish about the community’s wealth.
What is objectionable about NEP is the use or rather misuse of statistics by summing up figures, even in a misleading way, and claim that the privileged community is still lagging behind others, and that reason alone is a license to implement discriminatory policies, and the powers-that-be could play God to award wealth to whomever they like.
After 50 years of asking non-Malays to smart the pain of the unfair practices, and now they are told that all the sufferings did not work towards a day where they will end the sufferings. There are destined to suffer by birth, save for others of the right race who were willing to be religious converts.
Wealth distribution is not even practiced in socialist countries. Equitable distribution of means of life sound nice under the Karl Marx axiom of take what you need, and give what you can. Karl Marx did not even say take a bit more as private wealth. So the concept of equitable distribution needs to be fleshed out as to what purpose it serve, beyond the slogan that it would not cause jealousy when the state is eagerly promoting the virtue of jealousy which delivered the birth of NEP.
#13 by katdog on Monday, 3 November 2008 - 12:20 am
imranj78 Says:
“Still no good proposals on wealth distribution anyone?”
Ha! ha! imranj you really are a funny ignoramus. There are already many methods of wealth distribution existing in the world today. Honestly, do you want someone on this blog to explain to you about socialism and its many tools? That’s why no one is bothering to answer an ignoramus like you.
To get someone to answer you, maybe you should be a bit more specific. You see, what you are talking about is not general wealth distribution, but more specifically how to distribute wealth from one race to another. In this case normal socialism doesn’t work, as socialism is merely concerned with distributing wealth from the rich to the poor, not from one race to another.
Unfortunately, i won’t offer any answer to your question because i personally don’t believe that transferring wealth from one race to another is the answer to our country’s problems. Transferring wealth from the rich to poor is fine by me and the answers are already out there.
For imranj, have a look to Zimbabwe for a disastrous example of attempts to transfer wealth from one race to another. White farms were seized by the black government and transferred to black cronies who proceeded to enrich themselves. Farm production dropped by 70% and 50% of farmland was abandoned. These then led to massive inflation (250 000%) and Zimbabwe’s economy collapsed. At the end, the common black man in Zimbabwe become 250 000 times poorer than before the white farms had been seized to ‘redistribute wealth’. Therein lies the trap of ‘race based wealth redistribution’.
#14 by imranj78 on Monday, 3 November 2008 - 12:35 am
katdog,
We are not looking at general models out there but we need specific measures for Malaysia. I am not ignorant, but I would rather be practical. To be practical we need concrete tangible proposals rather then just say `follow the socialist model’ as you have simplistically indicated. Saying that the `answers are already out there’ also does not help in solving the problem does it?
I am not advocating the transfer of wealth from one race to another like you have wrongly indicated. What I am advocating is the equitable distribution of wealth in the country so as to maintain Malaysia in a harmonious state. It just so happen that in Malaysia the wealth is heavily skewed to a particular group of people and for as long as this continues, there will always be some tensions in the country. Or do you disagree with this?
As such, for the long term viability of Malaysia, there needs to be some social engineering to equalize wealth distribution. But to me, it seems that those that are eating the economic pie the most is not willing to share the pie with the majority of the people. Of course this is expected as they will selfishly try to safeguard their wealth. As such, some mechanisms have to be in place to `encourage’ such sharing.
But as I said, there has to be an element of non-racial bias especially when it comes to the hardcore poor.
katdog,
You said: `Unfortunately, i won’t offer any answer to your question because i personally don’t believe that transferring wealth from one race to another is the answer to our country’s problems. Transferring wealth from the rich to poor is fine by me and the answers are already out there.’
Can you share some of the answers already out there (as you mentioned above) that are applicable to Malaysia?
#15 by ktteokt on Monday, 3 November 2008 - 8:43 am
Xiao He, you must be one of those who read only the Rukunegara printed behind school exercise books. Read the full text of the Rukunegara beginning with “Bahawasanya………membina sebuah masyarakat yang ADIL…….” and tell me if EQUALITY is not mentioned there!!!!!!!
#16 by veddy.lum74 on Monday, 3 November 2008 - 10:02 am
yes,who cares if you were ex-ceo of # 1 local banks,good insult to this bugger by uncle kit to ask him to return to senate,dont make shame to the BN’s mps,at least they know a little bit about constitutional affairs,but you dont,so,go back where you belong!!!
infact,the truth is,those mps who knew about it,are dumb,those who dont know like tajuddin,will yell like monkey!the mp phuckers from batu pahat and the only independant melayu mp,you all behave yourselves!this is a place for debate,not showing angers!
#17 by ktteokt on Monday, 3 November 2008 - 5:26 pm
Xiao He must be one of those “new generation” misled by the RUKUNEGARA (censored and mutated form) printed behind school exercise books which only contain the five principles. They miss out what is written in the preamble which clearly states “…membina sebuah masyarakat ADIL…..”.
In fact, school children these days are being misled by this mutated form of the Rukunegara. Perhaps the government realized it has not been sticking to what was written in the Rukunegara that they decide to “hide” the unexposable parts from the younger generation. Imagine if a non-Malay pupil were to raise the question of equality or special rights before a school teacher, how do you expect the school teacher to answer him/her?
And I just can’t imagine the Rukunegara which was formulated in 1970 when I was still in secondary school and everyone was made to SWEAR it under the hot sun during school assembly! This would mean each and every student of that time would have committed BLASPHEMY – swearing to something which is untrue, never intended to be true and never will be true!