Please investigate the discrepancy between the acquisition price of Eurocopter EC-725 paid by Malaysia and Brazil. Brazil signed a contract to purchase 50 Cougar EC-725 for a price of US$1.2 billion in June 2008 while Malaysia paid a whooping RM2 billion for only 12 helicopters. This is the REAL SCANDAL.

Do the maths and you will see that each Cougar EC-725 bought by Malaysia is overpriced by RM100 million compared to the price paid by Brazil. With 12 helicopters that equals to RM1.2 billion extra paid into the hands of third parties in the form of commissions and consultancy fees. Meanwhile Brazil gets added technology transfer to factories and additional jobs out of the deal. What else did Malaysia get except another scandal?

Please press on this issue. If Najib and the Ministry of Defense has a credible explanation for the huge price difference, then let’s hear it.

This is why the defense contractors backed Najib to the hilt in UMNO, he is their golden goose.

“Canadian Kelowna Flightcraft Ltd. Model Kazan MI-172 buatan Russia
- US$312 juta (RM1.061 billion)”

It says quite clearly Mi-172, which is the civilian variant of the Mi-17. So now i do not know who is misinforming me. The government or the opposition.

Btw, just to add, the the Eurocopter aircraft involved in the deal with India was the Squirrel AS 350B3 a light recon aircraft. Quite far away from the Eurocopter EC725 Combat SAR Cougar.

I sense much misinformation here.

“Such ignorant posts such as some of those we see on this website is a result of people who know nothing about the topic they are talking about trying to act `smart’ and `ethical’ when in fact they are doing themselves a dis-service when they do not do sufficient research prior to writing their posts.”

And presumably you know a lot about it? LOL!

Too bad that even PR and DAP is being ignorant and simplistic on this matter and choose to bark on the wrong tree… again and again!

“For this matter, the Opposition or potential opportunitist itching to capitalise on this issue for their own mileage should just shut up and leave it to our capable people at Mindef to handle this because it is their business to ensure the country is safe, with the aid of good defence capabilities.”

Telling others to shut up because there are large shades of gray in this would-be purchase is tantamount in stating that Malaysia is a dictatorship. You might as well state that no-one should be questioning the policies of ANY Ministry in the malaysian government, not just mindef if your convoluted train of thoughts was extended to all spheres of the govt.

Malaysia is still a parliamentary democarcy even though it is a warped one so everyone has the right to question purchase of big-ticket items by govt ministries – take your own advice and shut yourself up if you can’t post anything beyond insulting the intelligence of Malaysians and contributors here.

Well, maybe quality is better than quantity? The EC 725 is designed especially for Combat SAR (search and rescue). It is a brand new design (year 2000) for the French military based on the proven Cougar chassis . The Mi-17 however is a 1961 design, and note that the Mi-172 (which is what is actually being offered) is actually a civilian variant of the Mi-17.

But yes USD50 million per cougar may be overpriced. The EC 725 should probably be more within the price range of USD 25 million each.

India’s Sukhoi Su-MKI costs USD40 million,a 4.5 generation fighter which costs less than Malaysia’s Sukhoi Su-MKM, a 4th generation fighter.Even more perplexing for corrupt India can still wrangle out a deal which is less than Malaysia’s Eurocopter deal at USD50 million per helicopter.

As a military aviation enthusiast, I have been following the progress of the government’s intention to replace the aging Nuri choppers with great interest, hoping that the folks at the Ministry of Defence (Mindef) would make a good choice for RMAF’s long term use. I was quite happy when the government announced it has made a decision to purchase the Cougars, outbidding 3 other short-listed contenders – the American-made Sikorsky S92; the EH-101 (AW-101) Merlin of British-Italian firm Agusta Westland; and Russia’s Mil Mi-17 Hip manufactured by Kazan Helicopters (under license from Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant which is the original manufacturer). I had always anticipated that it was either going to be the Cougar, Sikorsky or the Merlin, based on RMAF’s requirement for a long-range versatile chopper with high capability for troop transportation and Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR). The Mil Mi-17 on the other hand, is more popular among Eastern bloc nations, with slightly older technology and less options / compatibility to be fitted with current state-of-the-art avionics and eletronic warfare systems.

To me, Zahar’s two letters dated Oct 7 and 9, addressed to Deputy Prime Minister and former Defence Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak (also copied to the Prime Minister’s Office, the Anti-Corruption Agency (ACA), the Public Accounts Committee and the Public Complaints Bureau) is a classic case of being a sourgrape. Obviously angry because his company Mentari Services Sdn Bhd who represented Kelowna Flightcraft of Canada (for Kazan Helicopters) lost the bid, he is now out to get Najib and those at Mindef, hoping to get full support from the Prime Minister, the ACA and the Member of Parliaments in the PAC.

I feel sad because a sore loser is attempting to screw up the purchase of a helicopter with a proven track record, both during peace and war times. Of course good things come at a price. Here’s a simple analogy. Why do people spend a bomb to buy Mercedes Benz or BMW when they can get a Japanese, Korean or even Malaysian marque for a quarter of the price they originally paid for the mentioned German marques? Well, obviously the Benz or the Beemer offers something beyond what Malaysian-made vehicles has – be it performance, ride, handling, safety and other creature comforts, not to the mention state-of-the art features and other options.

Okay, let’s look at another analogy which favours Malaysian-made cars, just to be fair. Let’s talk about Russian-made cars. Would you rather be seen in a box-like Lada or the sleek Proton Gen-2? Common sense would tell you, of course the latter which is definitely sexier and ages apart in terms of technology from every aspect. The fact remains until today that Russian made cars such as Lada, Gaz, Moskyith and Iz are poorly designed and highly questionable in terms of reliability. But one thing is for sure, they are bloody cheap.

Which brings us to the Russian-made Mil Mi-17 Hip chopper, rejected by Mindef in favour of the Cougar. First and foremost, Zahar’s company Mentari Services is obviously several layers down from the chopper’s original parent company back in Russia. It is quite baffling when Zahar claimed his company is representing Kelowna Flightcraft of Canada, which is in fact merely an aviation Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) company in British Columbia which I suspect is the marketing agent for Kazan helicopters in Canada. Even if Mindef decided to choose the Mil Mi-17 choppers, it would be much cheaper for the government to deal direct with Kazan Helicopters or better still, Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant in Russia. Why even the need to deal with Mentari Services which obviously would charge hefty commissions and other hidden / discreet charges anyway? The Malayian government already have a good relationship with the Russian government, having purchased the MIG-29N and Sukhoi MKM-30 air superiority fighters under direct negotiations with the sole Russian government defence-related exporting arm, Rosoboronexport. In fact, the purchase of Mil Mi-17 would have had to be made through Rosobornexport which handles all sales of Russian arms to the international market.

Zahar also claims that the government could have save RM1.5 billion by opting for the Mil Mi-17 instead of the Cougar. He said that the government could have bought 30 units of the Mil Mi-17 for the amount paid to Eurocopter for the 12 Cougars. This is a clear cut case of quantity versus quality. We have lost too many airmen already each time a Nuri crashes. Will Zahar will be responsible for more lives if the Mil Mi-17 malfunctions mid-air?

Although I welcome the ACA and PAC’s move to probe the Eurocopter deal, I hope the investigations would be done professionally and objectively with inputs and feedbacks from those who are experts in military aviation – the RMAF especially must play a pivotal role in defending their selection for the Cougars during the inquiry. When it comes to selecting the Nuri replacements, there should be no compromise for quality and safety. The MPs in the PAC especially, should not use this issue for political mileage. The business of defending our country’s sovereignty via land, sea or air is no joke. It comes with a price. Just look at the defence budget for our southern neighbour and we’ll know why. The last thing we want is Malaysia once again being the laughing stock for poor selection of defence equipments and arms. For this matter, the Opposition or potential opportunitist itching to capitalise on this issue for their own mileage should just shut up and leave it to our capable people at Mindef to handle this because it is their business to ensure the country is safe, with the aid of good defence capabilities. And don’t even think of using the “waste of taxpayers’ money” card for this one. As a taxpayer myself, I want my money to be spent on good defence equipment. I don’t want my money to be associated with mediocre defence technology…

Wah lots of commissions to be earned.

He has done so for some time already and the school out of compassion and in recognition of his assistance, paid him some allowance. A tiny sum. He is a volunteer and did not expect anything anyway.

Last year, some parents in the PTA questioned the payment and the need to have him directing traffic movement and school kids. After some debate he was told to discontinue his good work.

When the school needs contribution of RM25 from each pupil for electricity because of extended school hours (air-con fees), the request came in the form of a page long explanation.

Here, we are talking about billions and not hundreds. Perhaps, as umnoputras kassim like the rest too has become desensitised by large sums. This way, then it makes sense why he spoke of those billions spent as “trivial matter”.

Billions?? Its “sap sap shui” man!

“One should not look at the face value but should look at the details of the copters we are buying.”

Good idea.

Can you pls get the details and post them here for uncle kit’s info.

Our next prime minister is Najis. This botak head ‘C4″ the mongolian women after had anal s*x with her, kaki prostitute, corruption in submarine case, jet fighter and eurocopter, blur-blur not aware of the economy crisis, escape from budget debate, my God, any good things about him?

Next MCA head will be Ong Tee Kiat? talk more than do, talk pusing pusing, Chua ‘porno’ CD? Chua Jui Meng? Speechless…

What future our malaysian have with all these scums as leaders?