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		<title>By: ctc537</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction,

 So, please Dr KTK, be firm, without fears, no more smiling faces, and emulate Tun Lim’s no nonsence approach in politics if you want to lead Gerakan
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<p> So, please Dr KTK, be firm, without fears, no more smiling faces, and emulate Tun Lim’s no nonsence approach in politics if you want to lead Gerakan<br />
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		<title>By: Sagaladoola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sagaladoola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion &quot;On Teresa Kok-initiated Suit, Alhabshee&#039;s Statements, Rocky&#039;s Bru Opinions and Utusan&quot;

Link:
http://sagaladoola.blogspot.com/2008/10/on-teresa-kok-initiated-suit-alhabshees.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion &#8220;On Teresa Kok-initiated Suit, Alhabshee&#8217;s Statements, Rocky&#8217;s Bru Opinions and Utusan&#8221;</p>
<p>Link:<br />
<a href="http://sagaladoola.blogspot.com/2008/10/on-teresa-kok-initiated-suit-alhabshees.html" rel="nofollow">http://sagaladoola.blogspot.com/2008/10/on-teresa-kok-initiated-suit-alhabshees.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AaB is not the Father of Democracy. Rather, he is the Father of Incompetence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AaB is not the Father of Democracy. Rather, he is the Father of Incompetence</p>
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		<title>By: Yee Siew Wah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yee Siew Wah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great comment from one blogger in Teresa blog:-

&quot;This clearly show how racialistic these guys are in Umno. The way the acted are so stupid and brainless.
This case is NOT, I repeat NOT against Malays whatsoever. This garbage reporting UM has twisted the facts and put an innocent woman under ISA. Even the mosque have came out and support her. And yet we have these pea brain idiots distorted the facts and made it a racial issue. How low can they stoop. They not only make themselves look horribly stupid but also with one sided brains.
Teresa go ahead and sue these bums till kingdom comes.
We can also help you in all ways from financial to moral support.
Just go ahead and whack some sense into these nutheads.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great comment from one blogger in Teresa blog:-</p>
<p>&#8220;This clearly show how racialistic these guys are in Umno. The way the acted are so stupid and brainless.<br />
This case is NOT, I repeat NOT against Malays whatsoever. This garbage reporting UM has twisted the facts and put an innocent woman under ISA. Even the mosque have came out and support her. And yet we have these pea brain idiots distorted the facts and made it a racial issue. How low can they stoop. They not only make themselves look horribly stupid but also with one sided brains.<br />
Teresa go ahead and sue these bums till kingdom comes.<br />
We can also help you in all ways from financial to moral support.<br />
Just go ahead and whack some sense into these nutheads.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: riversandlakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>riversandlakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koh and Gerakan are as What Lah is. One word - irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koh and Gerakan are as What Lah is. One word &#8211; irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerakan is basically grasping for straws to survive/revive. If they somehow get hold of one, they may not die for a while but they will never recover for sure. Its just not in the cards. Even Dr. M has said Penang will remain in PR hands...

The odds are Gerakan will be decimated by next General Election. KTK thinking he is not challenged is an idiot if he think his hold on the party is strong. All it means is that Gerakan members have turned the corner in thinking of leaving the party and giving up on their leaders.. 

KTK hold on membership of Gerakan depend on Najib boosting his popularity OUTSIDE of UMNO. The problem is Najib is not likely to do so anytime soon because of his own constraints namely Dr. M. He is likely to just spend money and it won&#039;t be in PR states. When Najib gets hit further with by-election loses in Sabah and more scandals/rhetorics, Gerakan members will really start to leave in droves....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerakan is basically grasping for straws to survive/revive. If they somehow get hold of one, they may not die for a while but they will never recover for sure. Its just not in the cards. Even Dr. M has said Penang will remain in PR hands&#8230;</p>
<p>The odds are Gerakan will be decimated by next General Election. KTK thinking he is not challenged is an idiot if he think his hold on the party is strong. All it means is that Gerakan members have turned the corner in thinking of leaving the party and giving up on their leaders.. </p>
<p>KTK hold on membership of Gerakan depend on Najib boosting his popularity OUTSIDE of UMNO. The problem is Najib is not likely to do so anytime soon because of his own constraints namely Dr. M. He is likely to just spend money and it won&#8217;t be in PR states. When Najib gets hit further with by-election loses in Sabah and more scandals/rhetorics, Gerakan members will really start to leave in droves&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Loh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KTK has gone overboard in calling AAB Father of Democracy. But KTK is at least right in that among the current crop of UMNO leaders, AAB comes closer to allowing democracy. The standard is low, but he is the first who claims the highest marks, say 5 out of 100, but the others don&#039;t make it to even 4. KTK is influenced by the thought of awarding the Father of all corruptions to AAB’s predecessor, and thus was inspired to recognize the wee bit contribution made by AAB to openness in recent history. He has the word father and democracy juxtaposed, wrongly. KTK might be less incorrect to say AAB is Pak Democracy, when the word could mean brother as in Indonesia. AAB has to be remembered for something such as the Father-in-law of the overambitious, Father of NATO (no action talk only, but NATO will dispute).

AAB has finally realized that it would not be fair for Malays in UMNO to decide the fate of the PM, since he is now at the receiving end. If a referendum is held to choose between AAB and Najib to be PM for Malaysia, and that all Malaysians are allowed to vote, it is more likely that AAB would win. Similarly, if all component parties in BN have their proportionate influence (whatever that is measured), AAB might still be the PM until a new leader emerge from UMNO. So, this thought must have spurred AAB to give lib service to the need for a mechanism of direct membership to BN. But it is too late in the day to change his fate in politics.

AAB said it well when he told his foreign colleagues that he did not get a two-third majority {and hence his predicament}, and he told them that &quot;Malaysians are Malaysians, they always like the portion that they are having. Whether they are hungry or not, it does not matter, they always like to have the portion they are used to&quot;

AAB statement could be modified to change Malaysians to Malays, especially the mamak-type, and the portion to be replaced by NEP, and the statement makes good sense. When political party remain race-based, the politicians will not forget to champion the continuation of NEP with wider coverage not envisaged in the original plan whether the followers are &#039;hungry or not, in AAB words&quot;. UMNO leaders like to ignore the reality that NEP is the root cause of the problems, but recent history showed that NEP provided politicians the raison d’etre for their participation, and the protection for corrupt practices. The virus of national ills is the race-based political structure, and since those who are the beneficiaries would not want to give it up at all costs, AAB&#039;s proposal for direct membership to BN is breeze.

Samy Vellu opposition to the proposal of direct membership gives the impression that that would be detrimental to the Indians. Is it? If MIC had been able to exert proportionate influence as one of the three parties, and that Indians rights have been protected by MIC, and direct membership might dilute the influence of MIC, then Samy Vellu would have the moral justification to object to direct membership. But MIC had only allowed Samy Vellu the opportunity to be the only ministers, and of course he was the pride of his family and friends. But beyond that are Indians better placed in the country now than soon after Independence? Are the Indians in the position to be discriminated in favour of the Malays?

The founding fathers were concerned that a community might be hungrier than the others after Independence and they decided that 1 15 year grace period should be given to give special assistance to the Malays, as stated in Article 153 which was subject to review after 15 years. As AAB had just said, they will want to retain the portion they used to have whether they are hungry or not. Had they followed the sentiments of the late Tun Ismail, they would think that out of pride, they should not continue with keeping the portion when they have to suffer the indignity that they are still labeled as hungry. But later UMNO leaders had ignored the pride of Malay culture in word-of-honour by twisting the raison d&#039;etre for article 153, and that too went against the teaching of Islam which upholds justice, fair play and equality.

Those in MIC who are in politics to make profits for themselves would also want an exclusive right to position in government. But are they serving the community interest to reject racist politics when even UMNO leader realizes the harm it inflicts on the country. AAB has not the ability to change, and Samy vellu is a traitor to the nation by placing obstacle to possible improvements to the future of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KTK has gone overboard in calling AAB Father of Democracy. But KTK is at least right in that among the current crop of UMNO leaders, AAB comes closer to allowing democracy. The standard is low, but he is the first who claims the highest marks, say 5 out of 100, but the others don&#8217;t make it to even 4. KTK is influenced by the thought of awarding the Father of all corruptions to AAB’s predecessor, and thus was inspired to recognize the wee bit contribution made by AAB to openness in recent history. He has the word father and democracy juxtaposed, wrongly. KTK might be less incorrect to say AAB is Pak Democracy, when the word could mean brother as in Indonesia. AAB has to be remembered for something such as the Father-in-law of the overambitious, Father of NATO (no action talk only, but NATO will dispute).</p>
<p>AAB has finally realized that it would not be fair for Malays in UMNO to decide the fate of the PM, since he is now at the receiving end. If a referendum is held to choose between AAB and Najib to be PM for Malaysia, and that all Malaysians are allowed to vote, it is more likely that AAB would win. Similarly, if all component parties in BN have their proportionate influence (whatever that is measured), AAB might still be the PM until a new leader emerge from UMNO. So, this thought must have spurred AAB to give lib service to the need for a mechanism of direct membership to BN. But it is too late in the day to change his fate in politics.</p>
<p>AAB said it well when he told his foreign colleagues that he did not get a two-third majority {and hence his predicament}, and he told them that &#8220;Malaysians are Malaysians, they always like the portion that they are having. Whether they are hungry or not, it does not matter, they always like to have the portion they are used to&#8221;</p>
<p>AAB statement could be modified to change Malaysians to Malays, especially the mamak-type, and the portion to be replaced by NEP, and the statement makes good sense. When political party remain race-based, the politicians will not forget to champion the continuation of NEP with wider coverage not envisaged in the original plan whether the followers are &#8216;hungry or not, in AAB words&#8221;. UMNO leaders like to ignore the reality that NEP is the root cause of the problems, but recent history showed that NEP provided politicians the raison d’etre for their participation, and the protection for corrupt practices. The virus of national ills is the race-based political structure, and since those who are the beneficiaries would not want to give it up at all costs, AAB&#8217;s proposal for direct membership to BN is breeze.</p>
<p>Samy Vellu opposition to the proposal of direct membership gives the impression that that would be detrimental to the Indians. Is it? If MIC had been able to exert proportionate influence as one of the three parties, and that Indians rights have been protected by MIC, and direct membership might dilute the influence of MIC, then Samy Vellu would have the moral justification to object to direct membership. But MIC had only allowed Samy Vellu the opportunity to be the only ministers, and of course he was the pride of his family and friends. But beyond that are Indians better placed in the country now than soon after Independence? Are the Indians in the position to be discriminated in favour of the Malays?</p>
<p>The founding fathers were concerned that a community might be hungrier than the others after Independence and they decided that 1 15 year grace period should be given to give special assistance to the Malays, as stated in Article 153 which was subject to review after 15 years. As AAB had just said, they will want to retain the portion they used to have whether they are hungry or not. Had they followed the sentiments of the late Tun Ismail, they would think that out of pride, they should not continue with keeping the portion when they have to suffer the indignity that they are still labeled as hungry. But later UMNO leaders had ignored the pride of Malay culture in word-of-honour by twisting the raison d&#8217;etre for article 153, and that too went against the teaching of Islam which upholds justice, fair play and equality.</p>
<p>Those in MIC who are in politics to make profits for themselves would also want an exclusive right to position in government. But are they serving the community interest to reject racist politics when even UMNO leader realizes the harm it inflicts on the country. AAB has not the ability to change, and Samy vellu is a traitor to the nation by placing obstacle to possible improvements to the future of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerakan - How To Become A Louder Conscience? &#124; Malaysians Say The Darndest Things!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerakan - How To Become A Louder Conscience? &#124; Malaysians Say The Darndest Things!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] decision to stay in the BN have forgotten that the racist little prick has not apologized yet (as pointed out by Uncle Kit), and none of the police reports on him have been acted on. 3 year suspension by UMNO, all [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] decision to stay in the BN have forgotten that the racist little prick has not apologized yet (as pointed out by Uncle Kit), and none of the police reports on him have been acted on. 3 year suspension by UMNO, all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bobster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this out. Bapa Democrasi who imposes ISA on innocent victims is into more trouble. Associated cronies pressing red alert button start jumping parachute before plane crash. Wonder who much they bought along in their coffer.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_289194.html

KTK should be given a title:- Bapa Pancake. Kena slap, cut, step, tear apart can still can carry balls. Or may be should be given Bapa Champion Ball Carrier?  KTK BPBCBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this out. Bapa Democrasi who imposes ISA on innocent victims is into more trouble. Associated cronies pressing red alert button start jumping parachute before plane crash. Wonder who much they bought along in their coffer.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_289194.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_289194.html</a></p>
<p>KTK should be given a title:- Bapa Pancake. Kena slap, cut, step, tear apart can still can carry balls. Or may be should be given Bapa Champion Ball Carrier?  KTK BPBCBC.</p>
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		<title>By: wesuffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>wesuffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>koh really a damn pengecut. photo given tear by ppl. also silent
never see this kind of useless leader before!
he will paralyse next GE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>koh really a damn pengecut. photo given tear by ppl. also silent<br />
never see this kind of useless leader before!<br />
he will paralyse next GE</p>
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		<title>By: newchief</title>
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		<dc:creator>newchief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gerakan new boss is A COWARD !!!! unlike his predecessor dtk lim, he still has a Loo...Looo...Long way to learn!!!

should someone took off dtk lim&#039;s photo &amp; telling his party to leave if is not happy with BN, i&#039;m very sure he will do a &#039;public hanging on the stupid fella&#039; AND WILL bring gerakan TO LEAVE BN if he can&#039;t do that!!

the majority of chinese are SICK OF KOH being the coward or yes-man towards BN. this was shown in the latest gereral election of which koh (like all defeated BN) failed to realise or admit the reasons for their losses!!! that is good - we can show them all again in the next election!!!

to angkat kaki a person with full responsibility of malaysia is good but if that person sleeps on the job and only give sweet promises when is awake, koh is the most idiot guy in politics beside the sleeping head !!! 

unless koh changes to become the BRAVE MAN and not only good in speeches, we see NOTHING CHARISMA in him to lead gerakan back to life!!! enjoy er FALL AS YOU DESERVED IT!!! 

also, openly admit to remain with bn and not joining pk, we surely hope that once pk comes into power, it would a shame and a disgust to welcome these IDIOT COWARDS!!!! Let them DISSOLVE FIRST AND JOIN AS PK MEMBERS INSTEAD!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gerakan new boss is A COWARD !!!! unlike his predecessor dtk lim, he still has a Loo&#8230;Looo&#8230;Long way to learn!!!</p>
<p>should someone took off dtk lim&#8217;s photo &amp; telling his party to leave if is not happy with BN, i&#8217;m very sure he will do a &#8216;public hanging on the stupid fella&#8217; AND WILL bring gerakan TO LEAVE BN if he can&#8217;t do that!!</p>
<p>the majority of chinese are SICK OF KOH being the coward or yes-man towards BN. this was shown in the latest gereral election of which koh (like all defeated BN) failed to realise or admit the reasons for their losses!!! that is good &#8211; we can show them all again in the next election!!!</p>
<p>to angkat kaki a person with full responsibility of malaysia is good but if that person sleeps on the job and only give sweet promises when is awake, koh is the most idiot guy in politics beside the sleeping head !!! </p>
<p>unless koh changes to become the BRAVE MAN and not only good in speeches, we see NOTHING CHARISMA in him to lead gerakan back to life!!! enjoy er FALL AS YOU DESERVED IT!!! </p>
<p>also, openly admit to remain with bn and not joining pk, we surely hope that once pk comes into power, it would a shame and a disgust to welcome these IDIOT COWARDS!!!! Let them DISSOLVE FIRST AND JOIN AS PK MEMBERS INSTEAD!!!</p>
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		<title>By: bungaraya</title>
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		<dc:creator>bungaraya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Continuation of my comment at 19: 40.12 on Oct 12)

Uncle Kit Siang,

The &quot;democratic means by the father of democracy&quot; account for at least 10% of the popular votes (about 51%) received by and 50 parliamentary seats won by BN in the March General Election.  

In this regard, I am happy that you and most DAP/PR leaders support the taking over of Federal government by PR through crossing over of BN MPs. And I am very disappointed with the DAP chairman who prefers to hide inside the proverbial coconut shell and does not see the big picture by supporting the &quot;father of democracy&quot; to continue to be the PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Continuation of my comment at 19: 40.12 on Oct 12)</p>
<p>Uncle Kit Siang,</p>
<p>The &#8220;democratic means by the father of democracy&#8221; account for at least 10% of the popular votes (about 51%) received by and 50 parliamentary seats won by BN in the March General Election.  </p>
<p>In this regard, I am happy that you and most DAP/PR leaders support the taking over of Federal government by PR through crossing over of BN MPs. And I am very disappointed with the DAP chairman who prefers to hide inside the proverbial coconut shell and does not see the big picture by supporting the &#8220;father of democracy&#8221; to continue to be the PM.</p>
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		<title>By: Malaysia For ALL Malaysians</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malaysia For ALL Malaysians</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Father of Democracy Ha! Ha ! Ha!.  To all you GERAKAN supporters you just sold you soul to  UMNO and guess who is  their  messenger !  Yes your guess is as good as mine no more then a BN crony who is there for his own personal gain, Tan Sri Dr. Koh Tsu Koon&quot; or is it another just figure head guy who will act to all of UMNO&#039;s tricks..... in the name of national unity and democracy.

Wake up you Gerakan supporters and bail out before you sink with this party i.e. if you are all interested in moving forward and saving MALAYSIA for all its citizens.... Join a party who has the heart for all its citizens and not just a choosen lot of people....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father of Democracy Ha! Ha ! Ha!.  To all you GERAKAN supporters you just sold you soul to  UMNO and guess who is  their  messenger !  Yes your guess is as good as mine no more then a BN crony who is there for his own personal gain, Tan Sri Dr. Koh Tsu Koon&#8221; or is it another just figure head guy who will act to all of UMNO&#8217;s tricks&#8230;.. in the name of national unity and democracy.</p>
<p>Wake up you Gerakan supporters and bail out before you sink with this party i.e. if you are all interested in moving forward and saving MALAYSIA for all its citizens&#8230;. Join a party who has the heart for all its citizens and not just a choosen lot of people&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OldManof theSea commented yesterday at 18:18.32 that “KTK may be a Princeton scholar but he is ills suited to be a politician. Maybe he should go into lecturing in university rather than being a softie”.

Yes – right, I wish to say something more about this.
Dr KTK may be brown nosing and bodek but he is anything but dumb.

He is a person of considerable scholastic merits and intellect but there is always something major lost along the way when an intellectual joins active politics. He soon surrenders to lived realities and experiences, succumbs to blandishment and temptation of power and becomes a beneficiary of it. In no time he will be applying his intellect to twist and skew facts in service of powerholders and powerseekers to whom he is beholdened. In so doing, he has betrayed his intellectual calling and traded it for personal benefits.

I am astonished by Gerakan&#039;s trying the level best to stick to BN with big brother UMNO at the helm by trying to appease grass root&#039;s disaffection by saying that Gerakan will be &quot;louder conscience&quot; of the BN and trying reconcile the irreconcilable communal character of BN component parties by using very tortured suggestion of some kind of wider and enlarged framework/entity of BN comprising the existing communal parties (which refuse to shed their communal agenda) as well as new others wishing to join the coalition! 

But what more could be reasonably expected when an intellect joins the bandwagon of politicians? 

Power, Lord Acton tells us, tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So how does an intellectual turning politician speak truth to power when he is part of – even a small part - of the power equation itself?
.........
It is well to say that what this country – or for that matter any country - needs is intellectuals with integrity and the will to resist the temptation and blandishment of power. 

They should not join politics then. Take the case of Dr Farish Noor. He could apply his intellect beyond the acadamia to the public sphere to sharpen the clarity of truth with moral compass of what is good and right for the people, politics and public because he has not joined politics.

Raja Petra has not joined politics – even Pakatan Rakyat – because “politics is dirty”.Manipulation of the truth – to shape public perception and graner their votes is the essence of politics, the end of which is always Power, with the sub-text to do public good being far second.

Even in the US could a libertarian socialist intellectual Noam Chomsky  play his public intellectual role of criticising US foreign and domestic policy and opposing Vietnam War had he like Harvard’s Dr Henry Kissinger joined the Nixon administration as national security adviser?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OldManof theSea commented yesterday at 18:18.32 that “KTK may be a Princeton scholar but he is ills suited to be a politician. Maybe he should go into lecturing in university rather than being a softie”.</p>
<p>Yes – right, I wish to say something more about this.<br />
Dr KTK may be brown nosing and bodek but he is anything but dumb.</p>
<p>He is a person of considerable scholastic merits and intellect but there is always something major lost along the way when an intellectual joins active politics. He soon surrenders to lived realities and experiences, succumbs to blandishment and temptation of power and becomes a beneficiary of it. In no time he will be applying his intellect to twist and skew facts in service of powerholders and powerseekers to whom he is beholdened. In so doing, he has betrayed his intellectual calling and traded it for personal benefits.</p>
<p>I am astonished by Gerakan&#8217;s trying the level best to stick to BN with big brother UMNO at the helm by trying to appease grass root&#8217;s disaffection by saying that Gerakan will be &#8220;louder conscience&#8221; of the BN and trying reconcile the irreconcilable communal character of BN component parties by using very tortured suggestion of some kind of wider and enlarged framework/entity of BN comprising the existing communal parties (which refuse to shed their communal agenda) as well as new others wishing to join the coalition! </p>
<p>But what more could be reasonably expected when an intellect joins the bandwagon of politicians? </p>
<p>Power, Lord Acton tells us, tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.</p>
<p>So how does an intellectual turning politician speak truth to power when he is part of – even a small part &#8211; of the power equation itself?<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
It is well to say that what this country – or for that matter any country &#8211; needs is intellectuals with integrity and the will to resist the temptation and blandishment of power. </p>
<p>They should not join politics then. Take the case of Dr Farish Noor. He could apply his intellect beyond the acadamia to the public sphere to sharpen the clarity of truth with moral compass of what is good and right for the people, politics and public because he has not joined politics.</p>
<p>Raja Petra has not joined politics – even Pakatan Rakyat – because “politics is dirty”.Manipulation of the truth – to shape public perception and graner their votes is the essence of politics, the end of which is always Power, with the sub-text to do public good being far second.</p>
<p>Even in the US could a libertarian socialist intellectual Noam Chomsky  play his public intellectual role of criticising US foreign and domestic policy and opposing Vietnam War had he like Harvard’s Dr Henry Kissinger joined the Nixon administration as national security adviser?</p>
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		<title>By: ktteokt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktteokt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once a eunuch, always a eunuch! Castration cannot be reversed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once a eunuch, always a eunuch! Castration cannot be reversed!</p>
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		<title>By: isahbiazhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>isahbiazhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerakan was there because UMNO knows it was  the alternative party to MCA but now it is no more the alernative.The alternative party is DAP and so UMNO just do not want GERAKAN but they are helpless because of the 300000 members!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerakan was there because UMNO knows it was  the alternative party to MCA but now it is no more the alernative.The alternative party is DAP and so UMNO just do not want GERAKAN but they are helpless because of the 300000 members!</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Goh Kim Eng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Goh Kim Eng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s play the chicken game
See who by pecking ever gains
See who by packing ever retains
Let&#039;s play the chicken to shame

(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 131008
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Mon. 13th Oct. 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s play the chicken game<br />
See who by pecking ever gains<br />
See who by packing ever retains<br />
Let&#8217;s play the chicken to shame</p>
<p>(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng &#8211; 131008<br />
<a href="http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com</a><br />
Mon. 13th Oct. 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephenlsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephenlsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The leaders of Gerakan did a lot of stupid things recently. At the past election, how can YB Vijaya as a vice president of their party not even has a chance to be a contestant of one of a state chair of Penang and all are contestant are Chinese but they still proudly to said that they are a multiple races party. I as a chinese felt shame on it.After the tzunami, then only the leaders came out to said who is going to take responsible on it and blame around ,is too late. Koh should not be choosen as gerakan president anymore and even YB Najib.He as the deputy prime minister, if we say YB Abdullah has not did his job well and not realize his FIRST mission, decrease the case of corruption, Najib should also need to take the responsible to step down and not to be our next PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leaders of Gerakan did a lot of stupid things recently. At the past election, how can YB Vijaya as a vice president of their party not even has a chance to be a contestant of one of a state chair of Penang and all are contestant are Chinese but they still proudly to said that they are a multiple races party. I as a chinese felt shame on it.After the tzunami, then only the leaders came out to said who is going to take responsible on it and blame around ,is too late. Koh should not be choosen as gerakan president anymore and even YB Najib.He as the deputy prime minister, if we say YB Abdullah has not did his job well and not realize his FIRST mission, decrease the case of corruption, Najib should also need to take the responsible to step down and not to be our next PM.</p>
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		<title>By: storm62</title>
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		<dc:creator>storm62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KTK, u insulted malaysains by call Pak lah &quot;Bapak Demokrasi&quot;

Pak Lah should be &quot;Bapak Engkau&quot; or &quot;Bapak Dia-mau-kasi&quot;

aren&#039;t you ashamed when the mamak goons tear and stepped on your photo?

you&#039;ve just convert Gerakan to GELAK KAN. what a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KTK, u insulted malaysains by call Pak lah &#8220;Bapak Demokrasi&#8221;</p>
<p>Pak Lah should be &#8220;Bapak Engkau&#8221; or &#8220;Bapak Dia-mau-kasi&#8221;</p>
<p>aren&#8217;t you ashamed when the mamak goons tear and stepped on your photo?</p>
<p>you&#8217;ve just convert Gerakan to GELAK KAN. what a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr_Albert_Schweitzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr_Albert_Schweitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KTK I thought you have the brains of your fellow PHD Holder Dr Toh Kim Woon who realised that there is totally no future for Gerakan in Malaysia.
Go &amp; consult him &amp; it is good for the Rakyat of Malaysia that Gerakan close shop immediately.
Gerakan is not relevant anymore.
Its political philosophy &amp; platform have been taken away by DAP &amp; Pakatan allies. Gerakan can never fight its political masters ARM NO. 
Your own dignity has been demolished by AhMAD IsMAD &amp; Zainul Hassan, the ARM NO Putra-Racists. So how can you protect the dignity of the Rakyat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KTK I thought you have the brains of your fellow PHD Holder Dr Toh Kim Woon who realised that there is totally no future for Gerakan in Malaysia.<br />
Go &amp; consult him &amp; it is good for the Rakyat of Malaysia that Gerakan close shop immediately.<br />
Gerakan is not relevant anymore.<br />
Its political philosophy &amp; platform have been taken away by DAP &amp; Pakatan allies. Gerakan can never fight its political masters ARM NO.<br />
Your own dignity has been demolished by AhMAD IsMAD &amp; Zainul Hassan, the ARM NO Putra-Racists. So how can you protect the dignity of the Rakyat?</p>
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