Otherwise whoever takes over as PM with whom there is no deal or understanding with Anwar, it implies Anwar is vulnerable to arrests thereafter well before the next elections 4 years down the road.

So Anwar & Pakatan Rakyat really haven’t a choice (if they have been bullshitting on having the numbers of BN defectors that they don’t actually have).

The only way is to strike deal with one UMNO PM aspirant like (say) Ku Li and proceed on basis of article 43(2)(a) of the Federal Constitution to support that person as PM with understanding that when such a person becomes PM, he would work to form national government, bringing in Anwar/PR into the power equation – or something along those lines.

Loh’s premise is that AAB would have the support of all the MPs in BN only if he remains the President of UMNO, which I think what he implies is that the BN’s MPs’ main allegiance is not to principles but the benefit of loyalty to the position of Prime Minister that dispenses the largese and patronage benefits (a fair comment, in my view).

However Loh, what I am saying is that the convention of UMNO’s presidency = Prime Ministership no more holds true today if 82 PR’s MPs solidly support en bloc a BN candidate like (sau) Ku Li whose 30+ or 40 MPs (assuming he has such support) could still support Ku Li when he is not UMNO’s president precisely because notwithstanding not being UMNO president, he could, with PR’s support, become the Prime Minister, remaining still the fountain of patronage to them…

One of the real snags is basically the unchangeable mindsets of people (both in BN & PR) who are unable to dissociate the leader/president of dominant party in the ruling coalition in party terms from that of prime Minister in government terms…..And yet many people – at least in this blog – are complaining why should UMNO be final arbiter of who is Prime Minister when UMNO may have lost much of its legitimacy to rule! I am arguing here for a PM to hold its own from majority of parliamentarians as people’s representatives to circumvent the convention.

There is much to be said in favour of what Ku Li said about the need of a national coalition govt constituted from both BN and PR to forge consensus to lead the country forward against the threats and travails of the challenging economic environment ahead.

If this is not immediately possible, the next nearest is some one (say) hypothetically Ku Li who although could not summon sufficient support within his own party to be President could however summon sufficient support of MPs from some of his own party as well as other BN component parties which together with 100% of PR’s MPs (assuming that is the case) would aggregate the majority in Dewan Rakyat to meet the constitutional criteria of holding the post of Prime Ministership better than any other contenders in UMNO.

The other real snag is that that cannot happen – even assuming it is good for the country – because PR’s Anwar would also want to realise his ambition as PM in competition with Ku Li even if in Anwar’s case, he could not get the 30+ BN MPs to defect in support of PR’s motion of no confidence on BN, whereas in the other case of Ku Li, he might be able to get the 30+ BN MPs to support notwithstanding he is not UMNO’s president.

Only one snag; AAB would have the support of all the MPs in BN if he remains the President of UMNO. When he does not, his erstwhile UMNO supporters will be endearing themselves to the new UMNO President because they look beyond one term as Ministers. That goes with MPs of other BN component parties too.

May I suggest not just family of ISA detainees. All the hardcore extreme poors in the PR states will get help from state government as well as contribution for fellow rakyats who care. BN doesnt care less for the country, all goons only worry for own pocket. Time for PR to work hand in hand with the rakyat to help the family of ISA detainees and extreme poor in PR states.

Let’s gather strength and give a BIG tight SLAP to this D-End gomen once and for all.

Swarnabumi Says:

Today at 16: 02.10 (2 hours ago)
One of the paramount important thing TODAY is the families of ISA detainees. The multi-millionaire BN politicians have no time for this.
Syed Hamid Albar signs and next he destroys an innocent child’s future. For him it is making a living! He cares not for the needy!
At least you can get the ball rolling. An NGO set-up where Malaysians contribute at least RM1 a month. 100,000 caring Malaysians will easily come forward.
This innocent people need to pay their bills while the sole bread earner is languishing in Kemunting speaking the truth. They can manage the first 6 months but not 2 or 4 years. Let the abusers know that , the families will be taken care by true Malaysians.
You are in the position to organize this noble act. Please consider

Which effectively means an MP – whether it be AAB or Ku Li or Najib, or Muhyiddin or anybody, even Ong Ka Ting – as long as his individual MP supporters from BN plus all of PR’s MPs exceed more than 50% of the total number of parliamentarians in the Lower House, this person would meet the criteria of appointment as PM as per article 43(2)(a) of the Federal Constitution.

This means the president of the dominant party within the ruling coalition may have less support in Dewan Rakyat than another (say) AAB if he from BN has PR’s full support……

This also means a person can carry on as Prime Minister even though he concedes or loses the president’s post in UMNO, and that for the first time the convention of UMNO’s presidency being equal to Prime Minister’s post is severed…..(which was not the case beforee because BN always had two third majority) but now it is not the case where Pakatan Rakyat’s 82 MPs voting as a bloc are the real king makers as to whom qualifies as PM!

Think of this implication whether PR is moving a motion of no confidence against or a motion of confidence for any particular MP in Dewan Rakyat!

(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 081008
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Wed. 8th Oct. 2008.

UMNO is currently very weak and fragile, there are many new camps emerging and many young aspiring leaders are emerging and that is very healthy for a democratic country but not during ‘war time’. MCA is just another party that is as corrupted as its’ big brother. It cant do much to rebuild the country or salvage its’ dignity. The party will be doom in the next PRU and so the MIC. It is time for other component party to wake up and do something to save our country. There are many party out there that share the same idealogy as the opposition and even some of the BN MPs are aware what is currently good for the country.
DSAAB should realise that it is too late for him to carry out any reforms. He has ample times (since 2004) and to do it now is a very intricate matter. Will he expose all the wrong doings of his family members? The way they acquire their wealth? It just cant happen and will not happen.

This is not true. It is Abdullah having greater legitimacy to lead the government with support from both coalitions (BN & PR), a sort of national coalition government that Ku Li talks of (earlier) with eloquence and inspiration.

His legitimacy to lead the country with majority support of his party UMNO is the old and conventional way but in light of present realities of 8th March political tsunamy is no more the tenable way because his party, in the views of rakyat, has already lost moral legitimacy to lead….

Whereas Pak Lah leading with majority of parliamentary support from both sides of political divide is the broad national way that has both legal constitutional and moral legitimacy, especially when country is facing crisises of all kind today, which is the greater reason for national consensus to rule as first suggested by Ku Li.

The advantage is Pakatan rakyat still holds the trump card as a king maker and to nudge and cajole the PM to complete his reforms that he has promised but has not delivered and in respect to which he has no more excuses such his being overwhlemed by opposition to reforms by his party’s reactionaries/power brokers because his rule now is underpinned by national bipartisan rather than UMNO’s support!

Look at India : Their PM is Manmohan Singh. Their governed political party Head is Sonia Ghandi. Their Constitution quite similar to Malaysian Constitution. Sonia cannot be PM of India because she considered “outsider” (Italian national if not mistaken).

Pak Lah can cling to the PMship until and unless he is voted out by MPs in Parliament included those 31 or more as mentioned by DSAI.

The fact is Abdulalh kicked out of UMNO! He afraid to meet DSAI and resume Emergency Parliament Session on 23.9.2008. May be today Abdullah also kicked out by BN Council?

May be his think thank “son in law” has other option to overcome this scenario. We don’t know.

Whatever it is, This is the BEST Live MOVIE I ever seen whole my life so far.

I hope Yusof Haslam will make it as Movie Film next time. The excitement of the movie may be more than “SEVAJI THE BOSS”.

Who want to offer themselves to act as hero team such as DSAI, KIT SIANG, HADI, ETC.

Now that is well and good if you really have the number of BN kataks to cross the floor and by majority carry the motion. However if not – if its hype – then I suggest you act opposite and move a motion of confidence for the PM instead, which with at least 31 Pak Lah’s MP supporters, it will have the requisite majority to carry.

Such a contrarian move has several advantages:

· Unless you wish others from UMNO to take over that you think are better you’re giving present PM a reprieve to execute reforms within a longer time than 5 months;

· The move is consistent with rakyat’s wish that the PM is appointed direct by people through their MPs whether in ruling or opposition coalition ala American politics style which circumvents the conventional route of the issue being determined exclusively by power brokers within bthe ruling party of the ruling coalition;

· It is consistent with what Tengku Razaleigh said that it was time that the country facing a crisis as evinced by Global Financial Crisis and plunge today of all Asian Markets. If we cannot have a “national government” from both BN & PR we can at least have a PM supported by majority of MPs from both coalitions for a start;

· An unexpected move of motion confidence for the PM initiated by Opposition will throw all warlords vying for positions within ruling party into disarray and confusion as to what to do. Firstly they cannot oppose such a motion expressing confidence on their own leader; secondly if passed and unrevoked by subsequent motion – whereby at all times the PR with 81/82 MPs hold the card as “king maker” – it is PR 81/82 MPs with Pak Lah supporters MPs who will call the shots to determine who is the PM, according to Federal Constitution, rather than UMNo’s constitution as to who is president.

· Effectively it means that even if Pak Lah were to resign as UMNO president or is defeated in UMNO presidential elections, he can, in so far as the government’s post of Prime Minister is concerned, remain – per the Article 43(2)(a) of the Federal Constitution – the Prime Minister of Malaysia with majority of Dewan Rakyat’s MPs support for so long as the Pakatan Rakyat deems fit. :)