However, the govt so far had been given opportunity for the Indian to use the proper channel to voice out their dissatisfaction.

Even with baseless accusation that UMNO is killing indian everyday, the govt had not react. So as the Indians who knew the truth about it.

Before wild accusations take place and the condition is irreversible, ISA should be used.

Everything has its limit.

All of my indian friends from childhood days are very much better off from our father’s and grandfather’s time. They have a good jobs and their standard of living have improved from their childhood days. The only ones who are affected were those ignored by the indian community itself. There are the indian in the estates who were exploited by Indians managing the estates. Then there are the poor indians whose families are torn apart by the drunken head of the house and the surrounding which is not conducive.There are many more examples which i can quote that actually brought the downfall of indian community. This are the same problems are faced by the malay communities and that is why there are many poor malay families despite them being a priviledged lot.

Let us ask ourselves sincerely, is not Hindraf a tinderbox?? Their views are extremely extremist and their actions are very erratic and irresponsible. If the government were to free the H5, then it would be simply granting them victory to do more damages to the country and very particulary to the indian society.
The goverment did the right thing in arresting the H5 and therefore prevented the country from being engulfed in a damaging situation.

The DPM has apologised on behalf of the PM to the indian community, Hishamuddin has apologised for waving the keris but when are the leaders of Hindraf going to apologise for tarnishing the image of the country.

Why till to-date, there is not even one opposition party leaders who is brave enough to question the Hindraf leaders?

What are they fighting for ?? Is their struggle really for the poor poor indians? How will their 18 points demand improve the lot of poor indians? What is their defintions of poor indians? How are they going to change the mindset of the indians if they keep blaming the govt for the problems faced by indians?
What is their vision and mission?
Have they forgotten that there are many more poor malays than indians as well as poor chinese too in this country??

Maybe perhaps if Hindraf is ready to apologise for their actions and ready to work with other parties e.g MIC, PPP, etc etc for the betterment of the indian community, then we can confidently call for their release from the ISA detention.

At the end of day, we should see and know the elements that is trying to destroy the peace and unity of this country and pro-actively reject the so-called elements that can destroy 50 years of nation building in a single day.

All i ask is that the society be informed of the true nature of Hindraf. Just as we criticise the government for their failings and shortcomings, let us also be fair to all sides and fairly investigate the claims of Hindraf in the so-called documents and memorandum it issued in december 2007. Let us not be freed from the chains of the ruling elitist only to be held hostage by the so-called “struggles” of Hindraf.

so what is your point?
if BN is not civilized, dont hv respect in their dict, dont understand justice/humility/human decency etc etc…
then is the action of those group reflect the opposite? no! it just show that they’re the same & no better than BN - not civilized, dont hv respect in their dict, dont understand justice/humility/human decency etc etc… SAME!

giving our respect doesnt meant we’re weaker & submissive to our foe. it shows our maturity & putting us a level higher than them.

what happened was a wrong action in their part. dead wrong. there is no excuse & nothing justify it.

# vsp Says:
Yesterday at 23: 37.09

batuputeh:

You want to get your voice heard, you got to be respected. and you only earn your respect by giving yours first.

BN respect your voice? BN itself does not know this philosophy of respect in the first place. Respect is not in their dictionary.

As far as I know BN has never shown any amount of charity to their opponents even in their hours of glory and triumphs. All that they exhibit are to lust for even more power and cruelty.

They are not even civilised. By sticking to the ISA they are showing that they are the prosecutor, accuser and judge all rolled into one monstrous creature that don’t understand about justice, humility and human decency.

Why nudge the PM complete reforms on his own against backdrop of his own party’s warlords and power brokers seeking to push him out and obstructing him – when it is you, Anwar and Opposition Pakatan Rakyat with 88 MPs who hold the trump card to take matters in your hands and make things work?

We don’t need 31 crossovers from Sabah & Sarawak kataks to make things work. 16th September has come and gone and Anwar could not deliver. It is time to think of the box when dealing with a strong political adversary like the BN, 50 years in power.

All you need - I suggest – are 31 UMNO & BN MPs desirous of Ahmad Abdullah Badawi “to stay” as PM until 2010 to replace - in substitution - of the 31 BN kataks who never jumped.

I suggest when Parliament resumes on 13th October, Pakatan Rakyat with its 82 members move a motion of confidence for Ahmad Abdullah Badawi “to stay” as PM until 2010 [whether or not he contests or give up contest of UMNO's president post, remains or not remain as President of UMNO].

82 PR MPs plus 30 + BN MPs on PM’ side will carry the motion “to stay” as PM until 2010 [whether or not he contests or give up contest of UMNO's president post, remains or not remain as President of UMNO] - meaning also whosoever who subsequently becomes or gets elected as UMNO’s president cannot follow convention to be a replacement PM since the post of PM of government is governed by Federal Constitution as distinct from the post of UMNO’s president governed by UMNO’s constitution, and according to the Federal Constitution the PM’s position must be given to he who, in Yang di Perttuan Agong’s judgment, commands the majority of Dewan Rakyat, with no distinction whether they are BN or Opposition’s MPs or mixed combination of both.

I will suggest reasons for my suggestion in subsequent posts.
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And acc

In some ways Hindraf 5 represents in some small ways at least everything that Badawi Agenda failed to do whether its the corruption, the police, the judiciary, Islam Hadhari etc. Free Hindraf and let Hindraf grow, and those that have opposed him on his agenda have to deal with it sooner or later leaving his legacy ultimately intact.

Its why I find well, again dissapointing, that he chose to look at Hindraf’s action negatively - that he cannot see the ‘disrespect’ versus the ‘obscenity’ that is heaped upon the Indians. Again, the man keep thinking that things are as bad for those who cries for change. Saying ‘not wishing Hari Raya’ is like saying why are the Jews always talking about the Holocaust or slavery is not so bad because the blacks in America are better off in US/ than in Africa. The man is, despite his religiosity, a racist…

The point is if they had not been ignored and marginalised then hindraf would not exist and the embarassing incident during badawi’s open house would not happen.

We chinese in malaysia have been grumbling and protesting all these while (of course not through mca). Now the indians too are grumbling and protesting.

Look at the number of young kampung folks now living and working in the city. They would have the same economic and financial needs like everyone else. And being non-umnoputras, they would experience the same difficulties like everyone else in satisfying their needs. Like everyone else they would be unhappy with the umno government. And they will bring their unhappy stories back home to their kampung. They too have began to grumble and protest.

A government that cannot respond to this basic situation, does not deserve to govern.