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		<title>By: bennylohstocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>bennylohstocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://malaysiancartoons.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-erie-postings.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; GETTING 'eerie' FOR MY FRIEND&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"mentally retarded."
I have to confess to harbouring the same suspicion bclee does. It's an act of generosity on bclee's part, since mental retardation is not the fault of the person under suspicion, and they should not be blamed for their misfortune.

"under the pretense that he did not write"
Do you imagine you're in the legal profession zak? What makes you so certain a man is guilty of a charge? Have you also already decided a sentence? What is it? Are you caged within easy reach of a keyboard, foaming at the mouth, screaming "kill them all! kill them all"? Since the man is in court, the court is only doing its job when it tests the reliability of the evidence presented.

"so-called ‘martyr’ "
Hahahaha, oh you caught me out. Anybody else have the New Testament stamped verbatim onto their memory from an early age? I try always to be more radical than Richard Dawkins in matters of spirituality these days, but this phrase reminded me of "it is you who say it" - remember that one? I'm not trying to invoke religion here, just revealing my own little psychotic episode. You too are hearing voices, zak, nobody but you said "martyr".

"the opposition wants to ’salute’"
My personal view, expressed in the understanding that a trial is in progress and it is prejudice, is that one of the articles apparently written by RPK appeared to me to /invite/ prosecution under Malaysia's sedition law. A certain combination of words which would have been regarded as harmless hyperbole in many other countries appeared to me to be an open invitation of legal action here in Malaysia. There are many recent events in Malaysia that I find puzzling. Then again, there are many things in Malaysia that don't appear to me to be the consequence of rational activity.

I personally don't consider the ISA to be a 'legal action', since its local definition effectively renders all your other laws inferior - it permits your fellow citizens to do whatever they please with absolute immunity. Such a rule, in my mind, invalidates the legal process in its entirety. It does not matter to me what RPK did - he could have boiled my grandmother down for soup - I would still support his cause if he wasn't treated the way I would expect to be treated in his place.

That last point is probably what motivates much of RPK's support. Without a reliable and fair legal process, his fellow citizens can have little hope of the protection that would normally be provided by law. By all means, charge him with sedition. It's a silly law in modern times anyway, it could probably benefit from a few test cases to check whether it has any value. After actual law-breaking and incitement* to law-breaking, the activities that sedition laws might cover are painfully close to reasonable democratic dissent.

*That one alleged article of RPK's I referred to (I haven't read all his articles) appeared to me to invite legal action on the grounds of "incitement to cause criminal damage", but only barely. So what? Fine him and bind him over (or whatever is the local equivalent). Blackbagging him was incomprehensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;mentally retarded.&#8221;<br />
I have to confess to harbouring the same suspicion bclee does. It&#8217;s an act of generosity on bclee&#8217;s part, since mental retardation is not the fault of the person under suspicion, and they should not be blamed for their misfortune.</p>
<p>&#8220;under the pretense that he did not write&#8221;<br />
Do you imagine you&#8217;re in the legal profession zak? What makes you so certain a man is guilty of a charge? Have you also already decided a sentence? What is it? Are you caged within easy reach of a keyboard, foaming at the mouth, screaming &#8220;kill them all! kill them all&#8221;? Since the man is in court, the court is only doing its job when it tests the reliability of the evidence presented.</p>
<p>&#8220;so-called ‘martyr’ &#8221;<br />
Hahahaha, oh you caught me out. Anybody else have the New Testament stamped verbatim onto their memory from an early age? I try always to be more radical than Richard Dawkins in matters of spirituality these days, but this phrase reminded me of &#8220;it is you who say it&#8221; - remember that one? I&#8217;m not trying to invoke religion here, just revealing my own little psychotic episode. You too are hearing voices, zak, nobody but you said &#8220;martyr&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;the opposition wants to ’salute’&#8221;<br />
My personal view, expressed in the understanding that a trial is in progress and it is prejudice, is that one of the articles apparently written by RPK appeared to me to /invite/ prosecution under Malaysia&#8217;s sedition law. A certain combination of words which would have been regarded as harmless hyperbole in many other countries appeared to me to be an open invitation of legal action here in Malaysia. There are many recent events in Malaysia that I find puzzling. Then again, there are many things in Malaysia that don&#8217;t appear to me to be the consequence of rational activity.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t consider the ISA to be a &#8216;legal action&#8217;, since its local definition effectively renders all your other laws inferior - it permits your fellow citizens to do whatever they please with absolute immunity. Such a rule, in my mind, invalidates the legal process in its entirety. It does not matter to me what RPK did - he could have boiled my grandmother down for soup - I would still support his cause if he wasn&#8217;t treated the way I would expect to be treated in his place.</p>
<p>That last point is probably what motivates much of RPK&#8217;s support. Without a reliable and fair legal process, his fellow citizens can have little hope of the protection that would normally be provided by law. By all means, charge him with sedition. It&#8217;s a silly law in modern times anyway, it could probably benefit from a few test cases to check whether it has any value. After actual law-breaking and incitement* to law-breaking, the activities that sedition laws might cover are painfully close to reasonable democratic dissent.</p>
<p>*That one alleged article of RPK&#8217;s I referred to (I haven&#8217;t read all his articles) appeared to me to invite legal action on the grounds of &#8220;incitement to cause criminal damage&#8221;, but only barely. So what? Fine him and bind him over (or whatever is the local equivalent). Blackbagging him was incomprehensible.</p>
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		<title>By: cinaindiamelayubersatu</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinaindiamelayubersatu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sesuatu yang benar tersirat di sebalik kejahatan jentera kerajaan terhadap rpk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sesuatu yang benar tersirat di sebalik kejahatan jentera kerajaan terhadap rpk.</p>
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		<title>By: TheWrathOfGrapes</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheWrathOfGrapes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/// #  zak_hammaad Says:
Yesterday at 12: 48.03
Err, where is the human rights for those whom RPK has disparaged and slandered? ///

Emmm, zak, I think there are libel and slander laws in Malaysia that can be used if that were the case.

Ever wonder why those who have been "slandered", and in RKP's case, "libelled", do not want to charge him in court? Instead, they chose the cowardly way of using sedition and ISA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/// #  zak_hammaad Says:<br />
Yesterday at 12: 48.03<br />
Err, where is the human rights for those whom RPK has disparaged and slandered? ///</p>
<p>Emmm, zak, I think there are libel and slander laws in Malaysia that can be used if that were the case.</p>
<p>Ever wonder why those who have been &#8220;slandered&#8221;, and in RKP&#8217;s case, &#8220;libelled&#8221;, do not want to charge him in court? Instead, they chose the cowardly way of using sedition and ISA.</p>
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		<title>By: AsalUsuLMalaysia</title>
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		<dc:creator>AsalUsuLMalaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, I think Najis might have to pack his bag without his golf sets before he gets anywhere near the PM seat like it happens to DSAI in the past. 

Wow im really excited what could have happen next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, I think Najis might have to pack his bag without his golf sets before he gets anywhere near the PM seat like it happens to DSAI in the past. </p>
<p>Wow im really excited what could have happen next.</p>
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		<title>By: AsalUsuLMalaysia</title>
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		<dc:creator>AsalUsuLMalaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinister as ever, sleep head or not you guys get the clue yet?...
 

Firstly... RPK was charge/claim under ISA for insulting Islam, now they(AAB) release him from kemunting for trial...
 
2nd... Why now why provoke the sedition case 'Let's send the Altantuya murderers to hell'?...
 
3rd... esok lusa anouncement AAB is gonna compete for PM seat and contestant for new DPM were (Exit) for "Najis" or "AAB"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinister as ever, sleep head or not you guys get the clue yet?&#8230;</p>
<p>Firstly&#8230; RPK was charge/claim under ISA for insulting Islam, now they(AAB) release him from kemunting for trial&#8230;</p>
<p>2nd&#8230; Why now why provoke the sedition case &#8216;Let&#8217;s send the Altantuya murderers to hell&#8217;?&#8230;</p>
<p>3rd&#8230; esok lusa anouncement AAB is gonna compete for PM seat and contestant for new DPM were (Exit) for &#8220;Najis&#8221; or &#8220;AAB&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damocles, you were talking about this government not caring a damn about public or international opinion. It may be so. However we all know that RPK has been charged with sedition in relation to certain allegations he made about Altantuya Shaariibuu's case. The point to think about is what do you think will happen if RPK, in the process of and using the trial as a forum, produces convincing evidence supporting or collaborating convincingly his allegations??? Do you think that public or international opinion can, under such unexpected circumstances, be ignored even if the powers-that-be would like to do so????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damocles, you were talking about this government not caring a damn about public or international opinion. It may be so. However we all know that RPK has been charged with sedition in relation to certain allegations he made about Altantuya Shaariibuu&#8217;s case. The point to think about is what do you think will happen if RPK, in the process of and using the trial as a forum, produces convincing evidence supporting or collaborating convincingly his allegations??? Do you think that public or international opinion can, under such unexpected circumstances, be ignored even if the powers-that-be would like to do so????</p>
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		<title>By: bclee</title>
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		<dc:creator>bclee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Err, where is the human rights for those whom RPK has disparaged and slandered? Far from being ’supported’, RPK’s seditious and socially harmful articles prove that he needs to be shunned for the sake of stability in Malaysia. No country would tolerate such a detrimental individual to their security" quote Zak

what u mean by disparaged and slandered?do RPK said anything wrong,discredit, belittle. all he said was a fact that u can't accept. becauce all fact will hurt u. it is true? u don't have the courage to accept the true fact.

can RPK shake the stability of our country? how can he be so powerful, because he disclosed so many insider news and all the trues that many PPL no dare to say. So here ISA apply it is true?

No country would tolerate such a detrimental individual to their security, u mean RPK so powerful he can affect the security of the country, by just using his pen. i think u are mentally retarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Err, where is the human rights for those whom RPK has disparaged and slandered? Far from being ’supported’, RPK’s seditious and socially harmful articles prove that he needs to be shunned for the sake of stability in Malaysia. No country would tolerate such a detrimental individual to their security&#8221; quote Zak</p>
<p>what u mean by disparaged and slandered?do RPK said anything wrong,discredit, belittle. all he said was a fact that u can&#8217;t accept. becauce all fact will hurt u. it is true? u don&#8217;t have the courage to accept the true fact.</p>
<p>can RPK shake the stability of our country? how can he be so powerful, because he disclosed so many insider news and all the trues that many PPL no dare to say. So here ISA apply it is true?</p>
<p>No country would tolerate such a detrimental individual to their security, u mean RPK so powerful he can affect the security of the country, by just using his pen. i think u are mentally retarded.</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
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		<dc:creator>zak_hammaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RPK should be a man of his word and principles! He is now looking to get out of detention under the pretense that he did not write or post the article as anyone could have done it from cyberspace who had access to his username and password, lol. Is this the so-called 'martyr' that the opposition wants to 'salute'?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RPK should be a man of his word and principles! He is now looking to get out of detention under the pretense that he did not write or post the article as anyone could have done it from cyberspace who had access to his username and password, lol. Is this the so-called &#8216;martyr&#8217; that the opposition wants to &#8217;salute&#8217;?</p>
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