Comments on: Why Eurocopter’s Cougar has been selected to replace Nuri http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: cazz http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-141310 cazz Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:18:47 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-141310 BN government plan to spill USD50m per chopper. BN government plan to spill USD50m per chopper.

]]> By: cazz http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-141309 cazz Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:20 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-141309 Gotfather, You are right, i read it again, it does say "in excess", not "in addition". My apology. That makes our BN government look even uglier. Gotfather,
You are right, i read it again, it does say “in excess”, not “in addition”.
My apology.
That makes our BN government look even uglier.

]]> By: Godfather http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-140255 Godfather Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:36:48 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-140255 "The military EC725 can cost in excess of 20 million euros because of the need for specialized equipment, he said." In excess of 20 million Euros usually means 21, 22, or 23 million Euros, so where does the 33 million Euros come in ? “The military EC725 can cost in excess of 20 million euros because of the need for specialized equipment, he said.”

In excess of 20 million Euros usually means 21, 22, or 23 million Euros, so where does the 33 million Euros come in ?

]]> By: cazz http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-140065 cazz Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:41:30 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-140065 http://www.avtoday.com/rw/commercial/offshore/1733.html According to the above article (9th paragraph), each Eurocopter Cougar EC725 cost roughly 33million Eur, assuming the rotorcraft is equip with customized military equipment. 33 mil Eur will be equivalent to USD44.86m. If the RMAF was to acquire a fleet of 12 choppers, aren't we entitled to some good discount? Mind you, 12 choppers is only an initial purchase. Instead of getting discount, we are paying some USD5mil plus more for each chopper. And just what kind of customized military equipment are we fixing on the rotocrafts anyway to take the choppers price tag to its highest chargeable figure? Fello Malaysians, it is pretty plain to see isn't it? Another PM from UMNO and his crony is sucking our blood again. http://www.avtoday.com/rw/commercial/offshore/1733.html

According to the above article (9th paragraph), each Eurocopter Cougar EC725 cost roughly 33million Eur, assuming the rotorcraft is equip with customized military equipment.

33 mil Eur will be equivalent to USD44.86m.

If the RMAF was to acquire a fleet of 12 choppers, aren’t we entitled to some good discount? Mind you, 12 choppers is only an initial purchase. Instead of getting discount, we are paying some USD5mil plus more for each chopper. And just what kind of customized military equipment are we fixing on the rotocrafts anyway to take the choppers price tag to its highest chargeable figure?

Fello Malaysians, it is pretty plain to see isn’t it? Another PM from UMNO and his crony is sucking our blood again.

]]> By: alancheong7 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139965 alancheong7 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:57:03 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139965 Good! But Kit, you either need a proof reader or an editor: "the details of the shortlisted bids by the four aircrafts" Aircraft doing the bidding or bidding for aircraft, please? <strong>[Thanks Alan. I confess having computer reading problem. Discerning blog visitors should have discovered many proof-reading mistakes. I need your help to point them out to me. - Kit]</strong> Good!
But Kit, you either need a proof reader or an editor:

“the details of the shortlisted bids by the four aircrafts”

Aircraft doing the bidding or bidding for aircraft, please?

[Thanks Alan. I confess having computer reading problem. Discerning blog visitors should have discovered many proof-reading mistakes. I need your help to point them out to me. - Kit]

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139939 undergrad2 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:07:49 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139939 There are 'sweeteners' thrown into the deal - like always. We would like to know what these are and who gets them. There are ‘sweeteners’ thrown into the deal – like always. We would like to know what these are and who gets them.

]]> By: zak_hammaad http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139926 zak_hammaad Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:45:52 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139926 It's a pretty darn good manufacturer though: eurocopter.co.uk It’s a pretty darn good manufacturer though: eurocopter.co.uk

]]> By: OCSunny http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139916 OCSunny Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:59:59 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139916 EVERYONE HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT NAJIB IS SUPPOSED TO HEAD THE INVESTIGATION ON THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ISSUES IN SABAH. AFTER SO MANY MONTHS, WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OF THE PROBES? NOW WE ARE HEARING ABOUT A MORE SERIOUS PROBLEM ... ILLIGAL IMMIGRANTS WITH MYCARD !?! IS NAJIB ALSO RESPONSIBLE TO LOOK INTO THIS AS WELL????? THE PEOPLE OF SABAH ARE PLAIN STUPID TO ALLOW THE ABOVE TO DETERIORATE TO SUCH AN UNHEALTHY STAGE !!!! EVERYONE HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT NAJIB IS SUPPOSED TO HEAD THE INVESTIGATION ON THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ISSUES IN SABAH. AFTER SO MANY MONTHS, WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OF THE PROBES? NOW WE ARE HEARING ABOUT A MORE SERIOUS PROBLEM … ILLIGAL IMMIGRANTS WITH MYCARD !?! IS NAJIB ALSO RESPONSIBLE TO LOOK INTO THIS AS WELL?????

THE PEOPLE OF SABAH ARE PLAIN STUPID TO ALLOW THE ABOVE TO DETERIORATE TO SUCH AN UNHEALTHY STAGE !!!!

]]> By: badak http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139907 badak Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:51:48 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139907 Even the pirates can get weapons cheaper then us.But then again we have pirates in the UMNO led BN Government.With the world wide web.We can get the actual cost of the HELI.Yet the UMNO led BN Government still thinks that we stupid. Even the pirates can get weapons cheaper then us.But then again we have pirates in the UMNO led BN Government.With the world wide web.We can get the actual cost of the HELI.Yet the UMNO led BN Government still thinks that we stupid.

]]> By: biggun http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139902 biggun Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:14:05 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139902 Good Choice to purchase at the right price, we call it value for money, if Indian's rupee can buy more units of Eurocopter at the same price like us, why don't convert Malaysian ringgit into Indian's rupee? Good Choice to purchase at the right price, we call it value for money, if Indian’s rupee can buy more units of Eurocopter at the same price like us, why don’t convert Malaysian ringgit into Indian’s rupee?

]]> By: LBJ http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139897 LBJ Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:55:57 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139897 It will be up to YB LIm and his PR colleagues in Parliament to scrutinise the terms of the purchase to see that these are fair and that there are no leakages. Maybe they should get PAC to audit the purchase before the contract is signed rather than after contract signing. The goverment should come out to be transparent and accountable. The choice for the Eurocopter Couger is a good one. Therefore there is no reason why this should not be done/ It will be up to YB LIm and his PR colleagues in Parliament to scrutinise the terms of the purchase to see that these are fair and that there are no leakages. Maybe they should get PAC to audit the purchase before the contract is signed rather than after contract signing. The goverment should come out to be transparent and accountable. The choice for the Eurocopter Couger is a good one. Therefore there is no reason why this should not be done/

]]> By: waterfrontcoolie http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139890 waterfrontcoolie Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:27:56 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139890 YB., surely you can find out the cost of such machine and do an apple to apple comparison. I suppose just like cars being sold overseas, you can have a choice of added items. In today's world unless open tenders are practised, under-counter arrangements will be the order of the day!. If Mayban's offer for the Indo Bank is way above 'normal' ratio, thenthe Bank Management should at least explain the basis of its decision! Likewise, ABB being the Menteri Pertahanan owes Malaysians an 'open' explanation for the decision!! YB., surely you can find out the cost of such machine and do an apple to apple comparison. I suppose just like cars being sold overseas, you can have a choice of added items. In today’s world unless open tenders are practised, under-counter arrangements will be the order of the day!.
If Mayban’s offer for the Indo Bank is way above ‘normal’ ratio, thenthe Bank Management should at least explain the basis of its decision! Likewise, ABB being the Menteri Pertahanan owes Malaysians an ‘open’ explanation for the decision!!

]]> By: Godfather http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139889 Godfather Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:10:34 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139889 What's the difference between this deal and the recent Maybank purchase of Bank Internasional Indonesia at a whopping 4.6 times book or the announced construction of the Murun Dam in Sarawak ? The commonality in all these cases is that BN cronies stand to gain from deals that are UNNECESSARY in today's uncertain global economic climate. What’s the difference between this deal and the recent Maybank purchase of Bank Internasional Indonesia at a whopping 4.6 times book or the announced construction of the Murun Dam in Sarawak ?

The commonality in all these cases is that BN cronies stand to gain from deals that are UNNECESSARY in today’s uncertain global economic climate.

]]> By: pakmang http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-2/#comment-139888 pakmang Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:07:59 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139888 Just swapping of portfolio DSAB and cronies could make so much $$$, wow, I think they will arrange to swap their portfolio more frequent this case.....ha2.... Just swapping of portfolio DSAB and cronies could make so much $$$, wow, I think they will arrange to swap their portfolio more frequent this case…..ha2….

]]> By: budak http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-1/#comment-139883 budak Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:13:47 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139883 Budaya UMNO-bn... :-) no "share" no pass... Budaya UMNO-bn… :-)

no “share” no pass…

]]> By: Godfather http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-1/#comment-139879 Godfather Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:45:44 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139879 Like I said earlier, it is not only the commissions on the RM 2 billion purchase that the den of thieves is eyeing. It's the ongoing maintenance and "training" that will produce an annuity income for the thieves that could run into hundreds of millions of ringgit. Typically, a Melayu company Kroni Sdn Bhd will enter into a JV with Eurocopter to provide spare parts, routine maintenance, and training services for up to 30 years at an annual fee of hundreds of millions of ringgit. Of course Kroni Sdn Bhd will provide the local services, but will be entitled to the lion's share of this annual fee, while Eurocopter will just provide spare parts and specialised maintenance for a fraction of that annual fee. Kroni Sdn Bhd will pay extraordinary dividends to its shareholders (who will be members of the den of thieves) who will then use the proceeds to invest in properties in Perth, London, Sydney, etc. Some of the proceeds might just be earmarked for GE13. Like I said earlier, it is not only the commissions on the RM 2 billion purchase that the den of thieves is eyeing. It’s the ongoing maintenance and “training” that will produce an annuity income for the thieves that could run into hundreds of millions of ringgit.

Typically, a Melayu company Kroni Sdn Bhd will enter into a JV with Eurocopter to provide spare parts, routine maintenance, and training services for up to 30 years at an annual fee of hundreds of millions of ringgit. Of course Kroni Sdn Bhd will provide the local services, but will be entitled to the lion’s share of this annual fee, while Eurocopter will just provide spare parts and specialised maintenance for a fraction of that annual fee.

Kroni Sdn Bhd will pay extraordinary dividends to its shareholders (who will be members of the den of thieves) who will then use the proceeds to invest in properties in Perth, London, Sydney, etc. Some of the proceeds might just be earmarked for GE13.

]]> By: veddy.lum74 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-1/#comment-139877 veddy.lum74 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:53:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139877 deleted deleted

]]> By: veddy.lum74 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-1/#comment-139875 veddy.lum74 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:48:47 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139875 tomorrow UTUSAN headline:Phucklah & Sons Limited Co.got the deal to represent Malaysia to use sky-rocking-price to purchase 4 Euro Heli! Bro,dreaming onlylah! tomorrow UTUSAN headline:Phucklah & Sons Limited Co.got the deal to represent Malaysia to use sky-rocking-price to purchase 4 Euro Heli!

Bro,dreaming onlylah!

]]> By: BloodSucker http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-1/#comment-139867 BloodSucker Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:56:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139867 Pak Lah "lip services" since 2004 until today have caused enough is enough bullshits to all Malaysians. He told all Malaysians to cut expensive spendings due to high inflation. But Pak Lah endorsed the govt to purchase sky high Eurocopters with lavish spendings on taxpayers' funds and without transparency and open tenders. Malaysia’s latest ranking on the Transparency International Corruption Perception Index has plunged 10 places in his five years as Prime Minister from No. 37 in 2003 to No. 47 in 2008 and a deepening crisis of confidence about integrity and transparency. Tun Dr M said in HardTalk that Pak Lah needs to step down because of his UMNO/BN leads corrupt government. The purchase of Eurocopters need to be explained in details to all MPs and public to ensure no corruptions involved here. A huge USD 600 millions lavish spendings for EuroCopters ...many questions are raised here ? Who negotiated such deals ? Any inflated prices including rocket commission involved in this dirty closed door dealing ? Malaysians have the rights to know ? It is timely Pakatan Rakyat to change the Fed Govt ASAP to open up many dirty billions missing in closed door deals since Tun Dr M and Pak Lah regimes. Similar YAB LGE discovered few dirty projects and mismanaged public funds by Gerakan Govt for past decades ruled in Penang. When Unlce Kit to become CAT Minister under DSAI's PM leadership soon ? Both DSAI and Uncle Kit still dreaming ? Pak Lah “lip services” since 2004 until today have caused enough is enough bullshits to all Malaysians. He told all Malaysians to cut expensive spendings due to high inflation. But Pak Lah endorsed the govt to purchase sky high Eurocopters with lavish spendings on taxpayers’ funds and without transparency and open tenders.

Malaysia’s latest ranking on the Transparency International Corruption Perception Index has plunged 10 places in his five years as Prime Minister from No. 37 in 2003 to No. 47 in 2008 and a deepening crisis of confidence about integrity and transparency. Tun Dr M said in HardTalk that Pak Lah needs to step down because of his UMNO/BN leads corrupt government. The purchase of Eurocopters need to be explained in details to all MPs and public to ensure no corruptions involved here.

A huge USD 600 millions lavish spendings for EuroCopters …many questions are raised here ? Who negotiated such deals ? Any inflated prices including rocket commission involved in this dirty closed door dealing ? Malaysians have the rights to know ?

It is timely Pakatan Rakyat to change the Fed Govt ASAP to open up many dirty billions missing in closed door deals since Tun Dr M and Pak Lah regimes. Similar YAB LGE discovered few dirty projects and mismanaged public funds by Gerakan Govt for past decades ruled in Penang. When Unlce Kit to become CAT Minister under DSAI’s PM leadership soon ? Both DSAI and Uncle Kit still dreaming ?

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/comment-page-1/#comment-139865 monsterball Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:43:59 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/10/04/why-eurocopters-cougar-has-been-selected-to-replace-nuri/#comment-139865 LBJ.....Presuming UMNO chosed the right aircraft. But UMNO have a track record...to choose the best commission for the middle man. No commission....no talk. Just look at all those lousy thousands of items...used by the government. So many..poor workmanship and low quality materials...yet...the tender price...is few times higher than normal prices. UMNO do have this track record!! Best commission given....win the tender......and Russians are desperate to sell and can give kickbacks...much better than anyone nowadays. LBJ…..Presuming UMNO chosed the right aircraft.
But UMNO have a track record…to choose the best commission for the middle man.
No commission….no talk.
Just look at all those lousy thousands of items…used by the government. So many..poor workmanship and low quality materials…yet…the tender price…is few times higher than normal prices.
UMNO do have this track record!!
Best commission given….win the tender……and Russians are desperate to sell and can give kickbacks…much better than anyone nowadays.

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