For the past week and the next five days, the nation’s top question is the Shakespearean one: “To Be Or Not To Be.”
Will Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi shock Umno and Malaysians by acting completely out of character by announcing before October 9 that he has had enough of being pushed around by Umno heavyweights, that the ultimatum of the “926” Umno Supreme Council emergency meeting is the “last straw” and he will defend the post of Umno President in the March Umno party elections?
The overwhelming majority of Malaysians do not expect Abdullah to give such an answer to his Shakespearean dilemma of “To Be Or Not To Be” to defend the dignity of the office of Prime Minister from being publicly humiliated by party politicos – although there are Putrajaya fourth-storey boys who are urging him to do just that.
Even if Abdullah is to bow to the ultimatum of the Umno warlords and announce before Oct. 9 that he will not defend the post of Umno President and will step down as Prime Minister next March, let Abdullah not exit as a lameduck Prime Minister but write a glorious reform programme for police, judiciary, anti-corruption, ISA and press freedom in his last six months in office.
The least Abdullah should do is to redeem the failures of his many reform pledges in the past five years by carrying out a wide-ranging reform programme in five areas in his last six months in office, by ensuring that the following are accomplished before he leaves the Putrajaya corridors of power next March:
• Police – establish the Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission (IPCMC).
• Judicial Appointments Commission and in the meanwhile, no appointment of an UMNO Chief Justice which will plunge the country into a new era of judicial darkness and scandal.
• Total revamp of the Anti-Corruption Agency and the anti-corruption legislation to set Malaysia on the path as one of the world’s least corrupt nations.
• Release Raja Petra Kamaruddin, the Hindraf Five and all other Internal Security Act (ISA) detainees and repeal the ISA; and
• Repeal Printing Presses and Publications Act and enact Freedom of Information Act to ensure a free and independent media to establish Malaysia as a cutting-edge information and knowledge nation.
Abdullah can make next Wednesday, October 8, a historic day by tabling in the Cabinet the six-month reform programme to commit every Minister to support and implement the reform measures before the end of his premiership next March.
Ministers who are not prepared to give unequivocal support to the six-month reform programme should be asked to resign from the Cabinet or be sacked, to be replaced by those who are prepared to make the next six months a memorable half-year in the 51-year history of the nation.

#1 by HJ Angus on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 6:28 pm
The PM is going to brief BN leaders – hopefully they will decide to tell him they do not agree to the new “annointed” leaders and wish to re-negotiate their position in BN.
http://malaysiawatch4.blogspot.com/2008/10/malaysiakini-lesson-in-democracy.html
#2 by pathfinder on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 6:33 pm
You are asking lame duck to do the impossible. Anyway, I bet that AAB will come out fighting in defiance of those morons. I put it this way, there is non, and I mean non who can command the full support of the party, why then do you need to admit defeat without a fight. And don’t forget, AAB are fighting the morons..brainless…, please don’t get me wrong. I never mean that AAB is any better than morons but he have the 4th floor reckless idiots to depend on. Here we have reckless idiots vs brainless morons who’ll win. Your guess is as good as mine.
#3 by sikui on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 7:09 pm
‘like asking a chicken to give milk and a cow to lay an egg.”
then the cow will cock a cockodo and the chicken will moooooooo!!!!! in this Boleh land.
#4 by winterman05 on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 7:16 pm
” To DO or not to DO” should be the Prime Minister’s dilemma. Time is ticking; and he has promised to make an announcement before 9th October whether he will , or will not, contest the UMNO Presidency. He did seem to give a hint when he said that the decision would be HIS, and his alone! The ball is in his court. Will he kick the ball into his won goal?
Yes, though time is short and it is getting shorter by the day, he should FULFILL his PLEDGES in 2004 and beyond. REFORM was in his agenda; otehrwise, would he have picked Datuk Zaid Ibrahim to man the law ministry? He wouldn’t ! JAC is one of the vital items.
Will he be remembered in history as the MAN of INTEGRITY who shook up the JUDICIARY and made it independent? By forming the Royal Commisison of Enquiry on the Lingam Tape, he had shown that he seriously wanted to REFORM the Judiciary. Inspite of opposition from some quarters, he should BULLDOZE JAC! He should SACK those who oppose HIS AGENDA! That will stop the brickwall! Datuk Zaid has done his best; and he has RESIGNED to show his frustration that ISA was used against Raja Petra Kamaruddin, Teresa KOK and Madam Tan. And nothing happened to certain UMNO leaders whose remarks were more serious and damaging than the trio.
A leader must have GUTS to do the RIGHT, JUST, HONEST thing! What is there to be afraid of? If he is going out, let him go out with a BIG BANG!In fact, he could go down the wire and CONTEST
the UMNO Presidency! FIGHT with his BOOTS on! That is the hallmark of a GREAT FIGHTER and GREAT LEADER! No one could push him around.
Then there is the ISA issue. IF there is NO evidence that a detainee was trying to destroy Malaysia, there si no reason to use the ISA. You do NOT use the ISA to detain POLITICAL leaders; that is hitting below the BELT. It is a COWARDLY way to tackle an Opposition leader. Was it fair to PUNCH, KICK and WOUND a BLIND-FOLDED, HANDCUFFED ANWAR I IBRAHIM; and almost killed him? Be a GENTLEMAN; and play fair!
Was it fair to detain the Sin Chew reporter for reporting the TRUTH? And what an absurd excuse given by the Home Minister:
” To PROTECT her! ”
Was it fair to detain Teresa Kok on a mere police report ? What EVIDENCE has the complainant ? Bring it to Court and PRODUCE the EVIDENCE! And now that she is released, what has happened to the accuser? Yes, ” NO man is above the law. ” PRACTISE it!
Was it fair to detain Raja Petra Kamarudduin because somebody complained? PRODUCE the EVIDENCE in Court! No evidence? It is just too bad.
Was it fair to detain the 5 Hindraf leaders? Again, PRODUCE the EVIDENCE in Court. No evidence? It is just too bad.
Since the PM said that the Police were very ” efficient” in nabbing some PR members in Ipoh in double quick time, so the same efficiency should be applied in ALL other cases lodged in Police stations. No selective persecution!
Be HONEST and PROFESSIONAL. ALL Malaysians deserve FAIR, JUST, HONEST treatment, whoever they may be—- Big shots, small shots, BN people, PR people. The March 8th Election results should ring a LOUD sound that VOTERS, of all colours , religions, creeds, wanted CHANGE for a FAIR, democratic, transparent government. The message is very clear! Do not go on DENIAL mode! PUT THE EARS to the GROUND and LISTEN to the RUMBLINGS of the PEOPLE! Put RIGHT all the wrongs, and the VOTERS will go back to BN in the 13th Election!
” To Do or NOT to DO” , that is the question.
S.H. Huang
#5 by limkamput on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 7:29 pm
Sack ministers who do not comply with reform agenda during his last six months in office?
But is there a reform agenda to be complied with?
Even if there is, it is born out of public pressure rather than self generated.
So, in his last six months, I think it is more like planning for his retirement and covering all the tracks.
Why need six months?
Even six days are not needed. He can go but not necessary for the benefit of oppositions in case some of you are wishing.
#6 by smeagroo on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 7:48 pm
Even if Abdullah is to bow to the ultimatum of the Umno warlords and announce before Oct. 9 that he will not defend the post of Umno President and will step down as Prime Minister next March, let Abdullah not exit as a lameduck Prime Minister but write a glorious reform programme for police, judiciary, anti-corruption, ISA and press freedom in his last six months in office.
YB Lim,
U are too kind. The only thing glorious for him to do is to write a good farewell gift for himself and family. Heard about the Eurocopter deal? How true is it for a start and if it is indeed true, there u hv it…..a mega farewell present from the rakyat!
#7 by riversandlakes on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 8:08 pm
Not “to be or not to be”
What Lah just “can’t be.”
#8 by my on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 8:17 pm
i think you should let loose this case and start looking forward to the next GE. So what if AAB retires tomorrow? who will be his successor? say ku li or muhiddin(i think i spell wrongly, should i care about the spelling?) what happen next? will the opposition keep quiet or follow their usual way? this is no end, for me regardless of which parties, politician are just a scumbags who use their influence to gain. do you think people actually believes that they(the politicians) fight for the people? that is just the surface beneath an iceberg. well that’s what i think, i know i shouldnt be stereotyping or generalise. this is what i can see for now…. see ya.
happy holidays
#9 by japstrat81 on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 9:17 pm
There’s really no difference actually.
The show will carry on and the next man will continue to do the same.So what?We rakyat will have no say in that matter.They only put on a big show for us.Underneath it all, the next man can’t wait to get his hands on the rakyat’s money.
What my says is absolutely right.!!!!!
Get ready for more sandiwara from UMNO.
Everything has been already decided behind closed doors.Only the main players to show up when the movie starts.
And we guys thinking that there’s going to be a real difference!!!!!
NO difference with UMNO around.Same story , but different actors.
Always the same old crap from them.
Now everything’s against Islam lah, This is against Islam la,that is against Islam la. Ketuanan Melayu must be upheld la.
When everything is quiet, they stir the shit with a new issue.So funny la this UMNOOO & BN. But the poor rakyat of Bolehland have to put up with these buggers for the next 4 years.
God help us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#10 by Thor on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 9:25 pm
Please do advise MR Karpal Singh to keep quite for this is not the right time to be a gentleman.
Party hopping is the only way out to change the government, as for the start.
If you’ll to wait for the next GE to change the government, I’ll ask you not to ever dream of it.
Once you get hold on power, you’re more secure than whatever.
Only then, will there be a chance of ISA being abolish.
It also depends on whom we’re competing with!
Why have to talk about fair “fight” when your opponent is evil and dirty!!!
#11 by sungaisiput on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 9:35 pm
Paklah may not be the best prime minister but its because of him we see so many changes today.He is a blessing in disguise so lets support him and give him space for him to effect changes while he is still there.
#12 by jedyoong on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 9:39 pm
Hi Uncle Kit,
Selamat Hari Raya.
I din know it was Christmas already. But I guess it’s not too early to give Santa your Christmas list. ;)
Warmest regards,
Jed Yoong
#13 by BNgetOUT on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 9:48 pm
Dream on!!! Wont happen because Badawi is a lame duck, period.
#14 by sungaisiput on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 9:53 pm
A man without a dream is a dead man…Paklah may be a lame duck but the fact remains its because of him we see so many changes.
#15 by mohrafael on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 10:17 pm
just eliminate this BN govt & lame duck Bodohwi leadership, which should not have existed… PKR plse take over fassssttt… in politics, anything is possible. if you want to fair, don’t touch politics, be realistic in politics. This is especially so when confronting BN/UMNO. Let’s face facts…. facing against the slums… we must use BN equivalent medicine to kill the illnesses our Nation has been undergoing….just do it.
#16 by City of God on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 11:10 pm
This Umno thing is pretty exciting. In 1987, they have Team A and Team B. In 2009, they’ll have faggots vs lesbians. It’s nice to see their President’s post being contested. That doesn’t happen often. Tun Hussein Onn faces an embarrasing situation when he was challenged by Hj Sulaiman Palestin for the top post. They thought that he was weak because of the 1978 General Election results. But the infantry officer retained his post by a slim majority. Dr Mahatir was in a make or break situation in 1987. But he too, survived and like his predecessor won by a thin majority. Now, it may be Pak Lah’s turn. Boy oh boy! This is the worse seige ever. Administration wise, he is better than all the other prime ministers. But as a politician, he is hopelessly stupid! Worse still he became prime minister in the shadows of Dr Mahatir, a master politician that everybody love to hate. But consider the fact that he won the Umno vice-president’s post under the Team B ticket in 1987. Dr Mahatir’s irritant I suppose. He had to sack Abdullah for siding with Tengku Razaleigh and Musa Hitam. Read Dr Mahatir’s conclusion speech at the 1987 Umno General Assembly. The famous Napolean line, a.k.a you should be sorry Musa, I’m not; so get your boys out of my party because I’m gonna be boss for a long time. The point is, even stupid politicians can win against tyranny. With the financial crisis in America that is sure to spread throughout the world, we will be facing tough times ahead. If it gets to a depression, we and everybody else will have to starve. In the 1930′s, we do not feel it because we can still plant food in our backyard (and let the British worry about the economy). This time, we are on our own. The Malaysian intellect is very limited. Generally, we are not very clever and seldom make the right choices. In politics, we are like little boys playing in the football field. It’s all for fun. Always missing the point, the Malaysian mind. The real fun is playing in a professional football club in Europe. I suppose if you apply the present state of mind, you might say it’s fun to replace the current government with a new one. It will be more fun if we could do that without an election. There was no tide of change happening in Malaysia on March 8 2008. Merely, BN traitors out to get their own princes and king for their own selfish gains. They used the opposition front to achieve this. They don’t believe in anything, including this country, but they want everything. Can you, Mr Lim, give them everything? Can you change barbarians into civilised men without the aid of the sword? St Augustine will have us pray to the Lord.
#17 by Tonberry on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 11:20 pm
what can the other BN component party leaders say about PM transition plan? Any decision made by Umno will have to be obeyed by them. No question asked. The briefing is just a cosmetic process only.
#18 by just a moment on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 11:36 pm
Sorry guys, sidetrack a witha bit. From one of our folk
URGENT AND IMPORTANT!!!
NEXT MONDAY 6th OCT AT PJ. REACHED THERE BEFORE 8.30AM.
DO YOUR BIT FOR RAJA PETRA PLS.
Proceedings are scheduled to start at 9am, which means RPK can be expected to be brought in earlier
Its our ‘Reserve Group’ turn to do our bits (those who missed the trip to Kamunting) from PJ and KL to show support to RPK. Next Monday 6th Oct, take hald-day leave if you have to. It’s “RPK Sedition trial : Directions to the PJ Sessions Court”
Pls go to
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/rpk-sedition-trial-directions-to-the-pj-sessions-court/
to get full details. I will be be there. We got to show our gratitude and support if we are serious. We cannot slow down. Pls be early.
God Bless All.
#19 by just a moment on Friday, 3 October 2008 - 11:37 pm
Sorry, “half day leave”.
see you there.
#20 by Godfather on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 12:26 am
“Paklah may not be the best prime minister but its because of him we see so many changes today.He is a blessing in disguise so lets support him and give him space for him to effect changes while he is still there.” Sungaisiput
Where have you been ? It isn’t because of him that we see the “changes today”. It is in spite of him that we have more freedom of expression. It is because of his Bean-like attitude that all of us have been “allowed” to vent our frustrations openly. He didn’t “allow” it; he just did nothing.
#21 by Godfather on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 12:26 am
In the next few months, Badawi will continue to do NOTHING.
#22 by Jan on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 12:58 am
He’s such a useless person I wouldn’t hire him as a clerk. How did Malaysia get to have such a mediocre person for a PM?
#23 by Godfather on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 1:03 am
…and when the expressions from all walks of life started to get out of control, especially on racial issues, he gave in to pressure from within his party to prosecute selectively. Should we be thankful for that ? A village idiot by any definition is still a village idiot.
#24 by Godfather on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 1:07 am
Badawi was forced on us by none other than Mamakthir. The mamak thought that his successor would continue his legacy of mega projects and cronyism. The mamak realised too late that the village idiot was actually being “handled” by unseen hands who have their own brand of cronyism and nepotism.
#25 by ekans on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 1:53 am
Probably the PM’s final attempt to look good to the people was to allow the ‘Anti-ISA/Free RPK’ bloggers & the HINDRAF activists to shake hands with him plus accepting a card and a teddy bear from the exiled HINDRAF chairman’s daughter at the recent PWTC open-house.
Then, the home minister had to comment that HINDRAF’s presence at the Aidil Fitri open-house is like an insult to Islam. Does he mean that showing up at an open-house to shake hands and present well-wishes and a gift, constitutes an insult?
The unity, culture, arts & heritage minister also chipped in with the comment that there are also Malays at Kamunting (ISA detention centre) but nobody came to campaign for their release like the HINDRAF. Didn’t he noticed that the ‘Anti-ISA/Free RPK’ bloggers were also there? Doesn’t he remember that RPK is also a Malay?
It’s no wonder if the PM has had a hard time with such cabinet ministers..
#26 by pulau_sibu on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 4:38 am
UMNO is out of control. Before Abdullah announcing that he will step down, many hungry people have announced their intention to go for No 2. So if Abdullah will not step down, they will be competing with Najip or najip will retire and pave way for these hungry guy. But it is unusual for them to announce to contest before the official announcement by Abdullah.
#27 by isahbiazhar on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 4:45 am
Abdullah will not resign as expected.If Abdullah leaves, it will be the doom of UMNO.It is very clear that Umno does not have one leader who can be respected.All of them are tainted.The rotting of Umno had started the day they lost their 2/3 majority.It is because they are in Malaysia they could rule.If they were in Malaya they would have been given the boot.It is in the best of interest that Abdullah serve out his term and make his promise come true thus surpassing all the other former Prime Ministers.Failing which he will be considered as one who failed malaysians though he was given the mandate.The worms of Umno will come out the moment Abdullah leaves.Abdullah should think that Umno did not elect him to be their leader but the non Umno members.Thus he has to fulfill that condition.Only after the next election can Umno prove that they are still wanted.
#28 by ctc537 on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 8:17 am
Umno has been able to win the Malay support by using the strategy of feeding insecurities and creating a common enemy to unite the Malays. How long can this situation go on? Even a leader of TDM’s intelligence is still unwise enough to think that this can go on forever.
Pak Lah is the wrong person to lead the country at the wrong time. From hindsight, we can see that TDM greatest fault had been his keep changing his deputies during his 22 year rule, so much so that he couldn’t cultivate a really suitable person to succeed him. Things could have been very different if he had managed to retain Datuk Musa Hitam and then DSAI to fight along with him.
But it seemed that the charactor of TDM was such that he could not be comfortble with a deputy that can stand up to him. There lies our country’s problems. Our country’s political developments has become one big international circus.
For AAB to continue or not to continue as PM would not change the fortune of the country much. As long as UMNO leaders can’t see the bigger picture of all races having equal oportunities in building a prosperous nation, the country will continue to rot. DSAI is seeing this bigger picture and he is letting everyone seeing it.
#29 by StevePCH on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 8:37 am
between the devils and the deep blue sea ? well, I will go for the deep blue sea this time !!!
PL, he is not bad but just not good enough. The rest going for Deputy Ameno President ….. OMG ! bunch of blood hunger vampires. I think we are doomed with the devils.
PR , though you are the deep blue sea, I hope to see all the wonderful beings and hope that you excel.
One thing for sure, the war in Ameno had just intensified 10X.
#30 by BloodSucker on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 9:16 am
Uncle Kit,
Where is DSAI now ? His 916 dream has gone with the wind. So what is his next chess move to topple Pak Lah this coming Oct 8 Parliament sitting or any vote of no confident ? Well the political tsunami tide finally dies down macam hangit hangit tahi ayam after Hari Raya forgivre and forget festival.
Now UMNOputra sandiwara started to see and read internal conflicts to grab power and to remove Pak Lah soonest possible and let Najib to take over. Another political instability in coming months will deteriorate the stock market , investors confidence, financial and economy will decline and stagflation will hurt all Malaysians.
DSAI and Kit should make fast move to stop them and win the political chess game now or the Pakatan Rakyat has no chance to do so if all Malaysians have lost faith on PR soon. All promises spelt out by PR is a dream of change but the nation wants a moment of truth change of good governance ASAP.
Bangsa Malaysia dream of One Nation, One Race, One System and One Dream.
#31 by homeblogger on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 9:47 am
Godfather Says:
Today at 00: 26.57 (9 hours ago)
In the next few months, Badawi will continue to do NOTHING.
=========================
Well, not according to what kickdefella says and the latest book by Matthias Chang – Badawi and his 4th floor boys will be busy putting in place plans to continue sucking Malaysia of her wealth. No… Badawi will be doing LOTS of things apparently…
#32 by Bigjoe on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 10:09 am
Badawi situation is like a long time CEO being forced to quit. I saw quite a bit of it in the 80s-early 90s during the ‘corporate raider’ era in the US.
Its not practical in that situation to recommend the CEO do all that he failed to do in his tenure. BUT he can redeem himself by doing ONE thing right. It was very common mistake back then for old CEOs then to keep fighting and not take this recommendation. But those who did focus on one or two things before they left, found redemption, some even coming back to the company later.
So Badawi should focus on doing ONE THING RIGHT on this list. It has got to be judicial commission. Make it completely independent and he will leave a legacy greater than Dr. M. But its tall order very tall one. He may not be up to it which is why he is falling back to the age old practise of grabbing whatever he can for himself and his children before he has to leave.
#33 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 10:56 am
Even before Pak Lah makes his decision to defend or not defend the post of Umno President, UMNO power brokers have already preempted him with Zahid Hamidi and Rustam Ali – and perhaps even Muhammad Taib and Isa Samad following in their wake – to contest the Deputy President post against Muhyiddin. The signal of these moves is to make clear that they expect Pak Lah not to defend, the strategy is to achieve by fait accompli his exit, without which the route to ascend UMNO’s heirarchy is blocked!
However there is something else that may be outside the power brokers’ calculations, aside from the unexpected decision of Pak Lah to defend the president’s post, out of line with his character…..
#34 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 11:30 am
So far everyone makes the following asumptions :
1. If Pak Lah decides not to contest UMNO president’s post, Najib will automatically succeed as UMNO president per transition plan (brought forward) but that’s only provided one like Ku Li one contests that post in March 09 or if Ku Li so contests, he loses.
2. By convention whoever is president of UMNO becomes Prime Minister.
3. Tun Dr Mahathir resigned as PM and anointed Pak Lah as sucessor, so therefore Pak Lah could resign and likewise anoint Najib, and
4. Life goes on as usual.
However I wish to point out the following differences:-
(a) The religuishment of UMNO president’s post is a party issue governed by UMNO party’s rules. It is not exactly the same as resignation as Prime Mnister’s post, a government post governed by Constitution.
(b) If Pak Lah resigns as Prime Minister, won’t he have to also resign the whole cabinet as well for the Yang di Pertuan Agong to appoint another Prime Minister under Article 43(2)(a) [of the Federal Constitution who in turn apoints his cabinet?
(c) If procedure in (b) were not followed in the case of Tun Dr Mahathir’s resignation and anointment of Pak Lah as PM then it must have been because (i) no one contests that anointment within UMNO and (ii) the BN with UMNO in the lead was assumed to have the two third majority in Parliament.
#35 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 11:34 am
YB,
Here I wish to argue that the circumstances in (c) of my preceding posting don’t apply on all four in respect of Pak’s resignation.
This because even the post of UMNO president may becontested by Ku Li, if not others not yet surfaced. More importantly for months Anwar Ibrahim as leader of Opposition, Pakatan Rakyat, has been making claims – as yet verified – that Pakatan Rakyat has, by virtue of BN’s defections, the majority in Dewan Rakyat.
This being the case, it is no more a question of Pak Lah’s resigning and refusing in that process to call a general election that may jeopardise the BN’s position.
It is taken out of his hands because Pakatan Rakyat can petition to the Yang di Pertuan Agong to give effect to the constitutional provisons of Article 43(2)(a) that requires (in the uncertain circumstances delineated above) the appointment of PM to be based on who, in his Royal Highness’s judgment, likely commands the majority of Dewan Rakyat, and if that determination cannot be objectively made or verified under circumstances today prevailing, then my argument is that a General Election must be called!
If I am correct in this, then whether the power brokers realise or desire it or not, their ouster of Pak Lah with alacrity as UMNO president and by implication as Prime Minister, must necessarily produce conditions accelerative of, and favourable for Article 43(2)(a) of the Federal Constitution to apply – and fresh general election to ensue to their own detriment!
It now depends on the Yang di Pertuan Agong & how Anwar/Pakatan Rakyat approaches and deals with this issue with delicacy and strategic intelligence. Anwar and PR can use PM’s exit as PM to petition to King for a general election.
#36 by ekans on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 2:19 pm
What is worrying, is that in the course of this ‘power struggle’, some UMNOputra hardliners may directly or indirectly trigger some kind of an ‘incident’ that could cause an emergency rule to come into effect, taking the opportunity away from PR, expediting DSAAB’s exit and they will still stubbornly cling on to power.
#37 by limkamput on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 3:01 pm
It does not matter who contest, who inherit and who anoint. They are all fighting for positions in the party that is totally devoid of soul and substance. UMNO’s demise is imminent. UNMO trouble is not just leadership; it is policy and philosophy. All those eyeing for top positions thus far have given us no comfort. They are all remnants of the old – old policy, old philosophy and old thinking.
#38 by monsterball on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 4:27 pm
“Friends…Malaysians…lend me your ears!!
I did all that …not for myself…but because I love you all.
Don’t believe….give me freedom.or give me death.
To be or not to be…I leave it all to you.
My house..my properties…for a ticket to leave Malaysia”
So said Dollah.
So it was written.
Hope..it will not be done….but put him…where he belongs…..sooner or later.
#39 by ekans on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 5:19 pm
The following was being circulated by SMS & probably describes the political situation in the country…
2008 Karaoke Survey results:
Dr. M’s favourite song – ‘My Way’
Pak Lah – ‘Dream Dream Dream’
Najib – ‘Your Cheating Heart’
Anwar – ‘Winds Of Change’
M. Saiful – ‘I Swear’
S. Velu – ‘Twilight Time’
S. H. Albar – ‘What Kind Of Fool Am I’
—
#40 by zak_hammaad on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 6:19 pm
“Karpal: No one should pressure Abdullah to quit”
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Clearly Pakatan think they have the best chance to win with AAB in power, lol!
#41 by KennyGan on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 8:46 pm
Jeffrey does raise some pertinent points here. Badawi resigning as PM does not automatically mean that the King should appoint Najib in his place. Assuming that AAB resigns before the Umno elections, one must remember that Najib has yet to be confirmed as Umno President for he may be challenged by Ku Li and even Muhyiddin if the latter decides to go for the top post.
The difficulty is that if Najib is appointed as PM, what happens if he fails to win the Umno Presidency who by convention must be the PM?
Furthermore the resignation of the PM should effectively mean the resignation of the whole cabinet to give the new PM the means to appoint a new team.
Given that the opposition is also claiming to have parliamentary majority, it is contingent on the King to put this claim to the test before he appoints a new PM.
Of course calling fresh elections will be the best way for the country but one difficulty is that the constitution says fresh elections can only be called on the advice of the PM.
The King has the discretion to follow this advice (to call elections) or reject it and appoint another PM but does he also have the discretion to call elections if not advised accordingly by the outgoing PM?
Perhaps Jeffrey Q.C. can shed some light on this.
#42 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 10:46 pm
1. As what KennyGan said, if the retiring Prime Minister (“PM”) requests the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (“King”) to dissolve parliament to pave the way for elections, the King need not have to follow PM’s request to dissolve parliament especially in a case where after the PM has resigned, the King could, in his judgment, determine upon another candidate (whether in the BN or the Opposition) who would, in the King’s judgment, likely to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the House of Representatives (Dewan Rakyat) within meaning of Article 43(2)(a) of the Federal Constitution.
That this is the position can be gleaned from the wordings of article 43(4) : “If the Prime Minister ceases to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the House of Representatives, then, unless at his request the Yang di-Pertuan Agong dissolves Parliament, the Prime Minister shall tender the resignation of the Cabinet”, the key operative words being “unless at his [meaning the PM’s] request the Yang di-Pertuan Agong dissolves Parliament”.
2. The Constitution is admittedly silent on the all important question of whether if a resigning PM does NOT request for dissolution of Parliament, whether the King could, on his own initiative, within his constitutional powers, dissolve Parliament to pave way of elections.
3. The question in 2 has no precedent. Some experts in the Constitution may incline to the view that the King may not. Their reason is that whatever the King could do must be expressly empowered and provided for in our written constitution.
4. I take a different view. I am of the opinion that the King has the implied power to dissolve parliament even where the retiring PM does not specifically request for it.
5. The reason for my view that the King has the implied power is based on the reasoning that the if the King has not this implied power, then the King would not then be able to carry out his constitutional function of appointing the next Prime Minister whom in his view likely to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the House of Representatives (Dewan Rakyat) within meaning of Article 43(2)(a) – in a confusing situation as I earlier explained in my post where the ruling party UMNO is torn in factionalism with contenders fighting for PM’s position, none of whom, without the other, could establish that he alone commands majority in Dewan Rakyat, especially when the Opposition is neck to neck and also claiming that, with the help of defections, it has the majority!
6. What I am saying is that article 43(4) should not be construed so restrictively as to impede the King from carrying out his constitutional duty under article 43(2)(a) ie. to determine who commands majority, and if in an uncertain scenario, the dissolution of parliament and fresh election were the only means by way of last resort, to determine this question, then the King ought to have this implied power, which of course answers the question raised in 2 above in the affirmative.
#43 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 4 October 2008 - 10:59 pm
In the premises of the preceding post, I have accordingly earlier postulated the position that by pressuring the incumbent Prime Minister to resign prematurely – so that the power brokers and warlords could scramble and contest for for positions, these power brokers and warlords are unaware that they may (in a certain scenario of Anwar/Pakatan Rakyat also making representations to the King that they have majhority of Dewan Rakyat) be shooting themselves in their own feet by placing the entire BN and themselves at risk of another general election, detrimental to their interest but favourable to Pakatn Rakyat, in the general momentum of sentiments since 8th March and 26th August.
#44 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 5 October 2008 - 7:01 am
Since Independence the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (“King”) has not had the appropriate ‘opportunity’ to dissolve parliament when a PM retired without requesting for one because in the case of Tunku’s passing baton to Tun Razak, it was marked by the unsual NOC (under Emergency regulations) in the aftermath of May 13 1969; in the cases of Tun Hussein Onn to Tun Dr Mahathir (TDM), and TDM to Pak Lah , in all these cases, UMNO commanded more than two third in parliament and was unified behind the anointed successor(s) with no one within the party or without immediately challenging and competing the top post – situations which are vastly dissimilar and ought to be distinguished from present scenario of challenge within and without the party, if the present premier resigns, therefore casting a doubt as to who, if anyone, really commands the majority of Dewan Rakyat within meaning of Article 43(2)(a) of the Federal Constitution.
On the other side of the scale, a constitutional monarch as the King is a symbol of national unity and is expected to be duty bound to safeguard national interest to put an end to an uncertain political situation of unprecedented political strife.
No one could reasonably speculate or impute any partiality on part of the King towards partisan (BN) interest by being disinclined to resort to dissolution of parliament as His Majesty had, as a matter of record, already evinced independence in last episode of rejecting UMNO’s candidate Idris Jusoh for the Terengganu MB’s post in preference to Mohd Said!
If the situation were such that other than a general election there were actually no other objective and verifiable way by which how the King could determine who commands majority of Dewan Rakyat to be appointed as PM, then it would be clear and logical to interpret that dissolving parliament (even without the outgoing premier’s request) would be an implied reserve power the King has or ought to have under article 43(4) of the Constitution to enable him to discharge his constitutional duty under Article 43(2)(a) of appointing a new PM who would, in the King’s judgment, command such majority in the Dewan Rakyat in the wake of the present premier’s resigning without requesting for a dissolution of parliament.
(It is argued here that a constitutional provision like article 43(4) would be interpreted in such a way as to provide latitude for other parts of the constitution like article 43(2)(a) to be given operation and effect rather than the contrary of no effect and impasse).
#45 by KennyGan on Sunday, 5 October 2008 - 9:34 am
Thank you for your explanation Jeffrey. Given the ambiguity in the constitution which can be interpreted either way, a decision by the King to dissolve Parliament without the advice of the PM may be challenged in a specially convened Constitutional Court.
However, there is no possible challenge if the PM indeed does advise the King to dissolve Parliament. In the light of BN’s shaky position with respect to new elections, this gives the outgoing PM a valuable bargaining chip to negotiate with those aiming to pull him down.
This bargaining chip may be used to push through reforms in the last months of his office, to negotiate a good deal for himself and his family or even to prolong his premiership.
Make no mistake, there is power in the PM yet even in the precarious state he is in. Will he will this power for Malaysians or for himself?
#46 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 5 October 2008 - 10:48 am
Well that is the question isn’t it – “Will he will this power for Malaysians or for himself?”
There is a large body of opinion that questions that he will, even at the eleventh hour, for Malaysians or for legacy in anals of Malaysian History.
The other question is whether he could, even if he wants to.
Poster PhuahKL has it right in earlier thread of 29th September {Over 60% of grassroots in Gerakan, MCA, MIC and over 80% of members of Sabah/Sarawak parties want to quit BN} about his “Sixth Law of Malaysian Politics” – “The time needed to make a major political decision in the BN by PM) is directly proportional to the intensity of the (familial/matrimonial ) pressure to make said major political decision”. 1/2 family members (sons/SIL having business or political ambitions may want him to fight, the rest worried about his health and well being may advise him to quit without fight), so it is their decision, depending on who he finally listens with be decisive, and it is unlikely to factor in intererst of Malaysians.
More complicated the PM may also actually believe that the continuance of BN – with hopes of reforms by his contending UMNO successors – may be a lesser between two evils than Pakatan Rakyat coming into power because of the inherent untrustworthiness, in his view, of Anwar’s character and his susceptibility to give in to PAS’s pressure and demands for theocratic state.
#47 by Loh on Sunday, 5 October 2008 - 12:16 pm
///…if the King has not this implied power, then the King would not then be able to carry out his constitutional function of appointing the next Prime Minister…///–Jeffrey
It is an interesting argument. The constitution says that the King should choose one among the MPs, and the constitution does not say that if he cannot get one, he had the right to ask for a new set of MPs for that purpose. So, the King may have the MPs elect among themselves, and to convince the King of the right choice so that he can make the appointment. The person to be appointed PM does not have to be supported by all the members of any political party, since support is based on members rather than political party. Kukrit Pramoj was appointed PM of Thailand when his party had only 18 members in the house of 300 plus MPs.
The article 43 (4) is clear that the concurrence of two persons, the outgoing PM and the King is required before the Parliament could be dissolved. The King can veto the dissolution but he could not initiate the dissolution of the Parliament.
#48 by dawsheng on Sunday, 5 October 2008 - 1:48 pm
Why should YDPA and the council of rulers take the unprecedented option to interfere in the change of government where it will only set the precedent for more unprecedented situations which are sure to jeopardize their position in the long run? Their only option is to remain partisan, not making enemies.
#49 by dawsheng on Sunday, 5 October 2008 - 2:18 pm
Before we even think of asking or expecting the rulers to bring about change that will almost completely overhaul the political landscape in this country, we at the same ought to be aware by now, or at least sense that it is the rulers themselves who are most resistance to change. The precedence is to make sure the continuance of constitution monarchy, which itself is flawed, will not be threaten. Hence, like what I said in the beginning of this thread, to answer the question of to be or not to be, is to love all, trust a few, and do harm to none. An option clearly the rulers have taken, but that option is just not available to Abdullah, too bad!
#50 by dawsheng on Sunday, 5 October 2008 - 2:54 pm
Going forward, it is the prerogative of the Rakyat to effect change in government, not the rulers, not the hierarchy political leaderships of UMNO, and certainly not the race based politics of BN. No matters how one interprets the constitution, this is one fact we must not change, the power to effect change lies in the hands of the Rakyat. And the process in making that change must not be done under the cloak of ambiguity, behind closed doors and in secrecy, as this will put in question the legitimacy of that change, a good long lasting change must have the voice of resounding majority, and the only way to achieve that is through a general election.