“Abolish ISA” forum in KL Tuesday


Forum : Abolish ISA

Venue: KL & Selangor Chinese Assembly Hall
Date: 23 Sep 2008 Tue
Time: 8:00 pm
Admission is Free; Bring Friends

The panel of Distinguished Speakers include:

l Teresa Kok, Selangor State Exco
l Datuk Ambiga Sreenevasan, Bar Council President
l Syed Ibrahim Syed Noh, Chairman of Gerakan Mansuhkan ISA (GMI)
l Lim Guan Eng, Penang Chief Minister
l Khalid Samad, MP Shah Alam
l Nurul Izzah binti Anwar, MP Lembah Pantai
l A. Sivanesan, ADUN Sungkai, Perak

* Moderator: Tunku Abdul Aziz Ibrahim

Contact:Teo Nie Ching
Assistant National Publicity Secretary
Email: teonieching@gmail.com

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  1. #1 by boh-liao on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:31 am

    RM4.50 per day is allocated for food to each detainee in the lock-up: breakfast (60 sen), lunch (RM2) and dinner (RM1.90).

    What’s the cost of feeding a pet dog or cat decently each day?

    Now RPK will be fed RM4.50 per day, at the King’s or BN government’s pleasure, for the next two years.

    At the end of the two years, will he still remember if he is RPK or PKR? Or worse, JKR?

  2. #2 by melurian on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:34 am

    rpk is pathetic betting on anwar, now he must be wailing beating his chest in his cell after he learned 16 sept comes and goes …….

    how can be be so dump waging his freedom on anwar……..

  3. #3 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:35 am

    YB Kit, I’m sceptical there is no equivallent of this financial scandal/fiasco in Malaysia. Would u know? Can u blog on this? Or would we only know months later when all that’s left are cinders and ash! I remember Tun M’s regime was a fertile period with scaandal galore but everything was hush-hush. Lucky for him there was no internet then. Some years ago, there was also a scandal post-1997/1998 Financial Crisis in Malaysia. Did anyone know that Arab Malaysian Group had lured the public through their share margin financing schemes without the proper licensing form MOF at some point in two of their stables. Did anyone know? I think the authorities were informed but the matter was hushed, hushed. Who suffered? Malaysian investors-lah!

    Check below news:

    http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Money/Story/STIStory_281540.htmlPriority to investors: MAS
    By Fiona Chan & Francis Chan

    Mr Tan Kin Lian has also urged the authorities to investigate financial companies that sold retail investors these structured products, and take them to court if necessary.

    BANKS and finance companies should make it a priority to deal with worried investors holding structured products tied to the now-bankrupt Lehman Brothers, the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) said yesterday.
    In its first specific comments on these precarious investments, MAS said that investors who ‘consider that they were mis-sold a product or that a product was misrepresented to them’ should first contact the financial institution they dealt with.

    ‘MAS expects the financial institutions concerned to give priority in dealing with such queries and handle complaints promptly, in accordance with existing MAS requirements,’ it said in a statement yesterday.

    The central bank also suggested that investors with a ‘legitimate cause of grievance’ who are not satisfied with the response they get can approach the Financial Industry Disputes Resolution Centre (Fidrec).

    As for the financial institutions concerned, MAS said it expects them to have ‘proper procedures’ in place to ensure that investment products are ‘marketed and sold appropriately’. ‘Where we have clear evidence in the current matter that a financial institution has breached our laws or regulations, we will hold the financial institution to account,’ it added.

    MAS’ comments come amid an outpouring of grievances from fretful investors who, anxious for updates on their investments, are calling for regulators to take more pro-active action. These investors bought the Lehman-linked Minibond Series 3 and DBS Bank’s High Notes 5 series.

    Investors who bought the Minibonds, which were arranged by Lehman, are in a lurch since bankruptcy proceedings are such that a long line of parties will first be paid before Minibond noteholders can get anything. Investors in DBS High Notes 5, which dangled a 5 per cent annual payout, may lose a large part of their stake.

  4. #4 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:39 am

    I doubt forums, petitions and even street protests would change the government’s stance on the ISA.

    There is no doubt that the ISA is draconian, in violation of both Rule of Law and Human Rights.

    On the part on violating the Rule of law :

    · a detainee is not given his day in court, to face and contradict his accuser;

    · he is detained to prevent him from committing a “future” offence of prejudicing national security, although the offence has not been committed as yet against the background of none of us knowing what is national security and how it is prejudiced except for the Home Minister who signs the detention order;

    · Even the courts cannot go around to review whether the Home Minister has made a reasonable decision in determining that the nation’s security is prejudiced. In other words the ministerial decision is non justiciable ie beyond judicial review. That is so even if a Minister has evinced the infinite wisdom to be able to hold two contradicting variables ie the intent of the ISA was to protect the detainee against harm, and at the same time, the country’s interest from that detainee!

    On the part of Human rights, it is true Malaysia has not ratified some of these UN human rights. But we live in international community, part of UN, play our responsible role to criticise Myanmar Generals for their human rights violation but when others criticise us, well we say that they are interfereing with our own legal process in violation of international norm against interference in a country’s domestic affairs! Wow!

  5. #5 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:41 am

    The draconian aspects of ISA (a wartime legislation at inception) are tolerable only when the country is at war or faced with clear and present danger of threat. (eg. Patriot Act in US was after 9/11).

    No matter what the objection by Bar Council Civil Society etc, the ISA is retained even in peace time to give security not to nation but the ruling party/clique.

    It has been proven in Mahathir years as an effective repressive tool in disciplining, and striking fear thereby shaping a more subservient and less rebellious media, interest group, political parties and NGOs and by extension atitudes of average citizns influenced by these. What other convenient tool is there to deal with every eventuality of intolerable dissent, albeit democratic?

    In the premises, RPK’s plight cannot be resolved via legal means of habeas corpus and the many forums and petitions that will not be dignified with the attention they deserve.

    The solution is political. RPK’s fate depends on it.

    RPK said it before, just when he heard information of his imminent arrest – that he would be going to hiding and won’t come out until 17th Sept.

    Now the implication is clear : he relies on Anwar to deliver his promise.

  6. #6 by Freedom on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:43 am

    LKS, and PR’s must reach out to as many people in and out of Malaysia as possible – but not thru their separet blogs. Why not have a PR blog (integrating LKS, RPK, AI etc etc) where it will attract more readers, and more will come to know the truth, and the truth will slowly but surely set Malaysia free…

  7. #7 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:49 am

    Knowing RPK, it not detention in Kamunting that breaks his spirit – it is the deprivation of the computer, the note book and access to the Internet.

    YB, this part needs re-emphasis ; that it is not just a question of detaining him under ISA for things he writes in MalaysiaToday deemed prejudicial to national security.

    The fact is his writings deemed “prejudicial” are via a blog of which he is ‘alter ego’ ie the main brains and soul of it, and disseminated via the Internet.

    It cannot be more emphasised that his incarceration under ISA is a direct and flagrant breach of the MSC Bill of Guarantee of Internet Freedom promised by the Malaysian government to the International Community, in derogation of the Malaysian government’s credibility here and abroad, indirectly prejudicial to the economic well being of the country!

  8. #8 by melurian on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:50 am

    syed albar must be the most effective home minister – just after months ascends the seat, he made a whopping 3 arrests (it could be 5+3 or more, if only he was promoted earlier, not even tdm can do that). his record is impressive, his stint as foreign minister saw him equally verbal spar with his counterpart sgpura foreign minister s jayakumar. if only he was made to stay a little bit longer, who knows icj would award pulau batu puteh to malaysia under his leadership. not only that, he manage to silenced bbc in hardtalk with his impressive “rebuttal” skills.

    probably his “leadership” skill inherited from his father who once sparred with lky, and could avert sgpura separation if tunku and tdi listened to him to launch isa (just like his son did recently). darn, his late father must be real proud!

  9. #9 by Freedom on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:50 am

    Forums, protests etc against ISA or any lies engineered by the wolves in sheeps’ clothing is a must cos silence implies defeat. Do not underestimate the impact of guerilla attacks until a war is won.

  10. #10 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 11:59 am

    YB, some kind soul forwarded this to my email. I thought this highly relevant to Pakatan Rakyat’s struggle. Can you blog about PR’s position on thsi. Some reassurance, any reassurance will do.

    “A MUST READ FOR ALL MALAYSIANS REGARDLESS OF RACE – ESPECIALLY TO THE LEADERS
    Sold out at the altar of ‘Malay unity’

    JULY 25 — I was not planning to write about Malay unity this week, but after a little talk I just had with my father, I’ve decided it’s imperative to underscore yet again the very real effect so-called “Malay unity” has on Malaysian society.
    Malay unity as it is presently understood is fundamentally undemocratic, and fundamentally a threat to Malaysian unity. The notion that it is not just okay but morally right to prefer one Malaysian over another because of his or her racial identity undermines everything that the concept of a Malaysian stands for; it justifies racism, communalism and separatism.
    In the first place, I cannot see why anyone would believe that the Malay community or Malays as individuals stand to gain from uniting behind one political party or one ideology. Malays are not a single-minded, homogeneous lot, any more than the Chinese or Indians are. To ask a Malay to subjugate his own individual beliefs to the tyranny of the Malay majority is ridiculous, and completely undermines the democratic right of individual Malaysians, Malay or not, to freedom of thought and expression.

    If a few Malay strongmen believe they can really subjugate their fellow Malays and fellow Malaysians to the yoke of one single ideology, one single belief system, they will have to face the consequences sooner or later. We know what single-party and single-ideology countries turn out like; even the few successes like China are forced to tolerate differing viewpoints, if not differing political parties.

    You cannot force a man to believe something he does not have his heart in; there is no reason to think a Malay will stop thinking and stop believing in something simply for the sake of “Malay unity”.

    But enough of this focus on the Malays; this is just one side of the delicate equation as far as national unity and social cohesion are concerned.

    I want to relate something personal, something that affects untold numbers of Malaysian families, including my own. Many Malays often wonder why non-Malays are so reluctant to offer this country their loyalty; hardly any are ever actually serious in their wonderment.

    My mother is not a Malaysian. She is a Filipino, although with a partial Chinese heritage. My parents met while they were pursuing their post-graduate studies in Thailand . They tied the knot two decades ago; they have brought into the world and raised four children, all of them Malaysian citizens. Over a decade ago, my parents made the conscious decision to bring their three children back to Malaysia , and have their fourth born there, because they wanted us to know our roots. My mother has lived in this country for 12 years, and spent close to 19 years of her life raising Malaysian citizens; she has learnt the national language, made Malaysian friends, and settled herself here. If this is not the loyalty asked of Malaysian citizens, I don’t know what loyalty you expect from us.
    For the past 12 years, my family has made an annual pilgrimage to the Immigration Department, because my mother is not entitled to reside in Malaysia . Every year, my parents swear before a Commissioner of Oaths that they are still legally married, and on this basis, they renew my mother’s “social visit pass” at the Immigration Department. A social visit pass, for the mother of four Malaysian citizens, the daughter-in-law of another two Malaysians, the wife of yet another Malaysian, and friend of many more!
    A long, long time ago — so long I cannot remember, but about a decade or so — my mother applied to the Immigration Department for a permanent resident visa. My parents personally put all the necessary paperwork together, and my mother invested a lot of her time — time which could have been spent looking after her four young Malaysian children, or contributing to the Malaysian economy — in learning the Malay language. To this date, the Immigration Department has never even acknowledged receipt of her application.
    My parents initially followed up on the application, but were told by the officers to await an official letter from the Department. They waited. And waited. Ten years on, they are still waiting.
    Last year, my mother applied for a Canadian tourist visa. The process went without a hitch, until we came to picking up her passport. A Canadian embassy officer appeared and enquired about her “social visit pass”. My mother confirmed that yes, in spite of everything, this wife and mother of Malaysians has yet to be allowed to stay in Malaysia . The officer shrugged his shoulders, as if he were used to seeing this sort of thing, and replied, “Okay, just checking!”
    On the drive home, my father reflected on the ludicrousness of it all. If he were to die, if they were to be divorced, my mother would have no right to stay in Malaysia , no right to be the mother of Malaysians. A decade on, my family was still waiting.
    Fed up with it all, my father decided that if his wife could not have a home here, he would make sure she and our family could have a home elsewhere. Two years ago, he applied for permanent residency in New Zealand .
    Today, before any of us have even set foot in New Zealand , the Kiwi government has welcomed us and given us the right to stay and reside in New Zealand for as long as we like, without any preconditions. We have no prior ties to New Zealand , and they welcome us with open arms; my mother has a rich 20-year history with Malaysia , and to this day, her request to stay here has yet to even be acknowledged.

    This story is alas far too common; years ago, my father was warned by an acquaintance that his wife had waited in vain for 10 years for her permanent residency to come through. Earlier yesterday, he decided to check with the Immigration Department, just to see if they had ever done anything about my mother’s application.
    He got the same brush-off of a reply: “Tunggu suratlah!” As he left the office, he overheard a Mat Salleh woman berating a young officer, in fluent Malay: “My husband is dead already, what should I do now? I have been living in this country longer than you have been alive!” Not far off, an Indonesian construction worker was conspicuously brandishing his approved application for a work permit, entitling him to reside here.
    This sort of thing is no bureaucratic accident; this is intentional racism. This is the product of “Malay unity”. What good is this talk of how Pak Lah is selling us out to the Singaporeans by giving them cheap sand, when right under our noses, the government is selling our citizenship birthrights out to any old Indonesian, while denying Malaysians the right to live in peace with their spouses, their families? When you endorse this idea that the end of Malay unity justifies the means, this is the result.
    I don’t begrudge legal Indonesian immigrants their right to live and work here; they are doing a job nobody else wants to, and they are often unfairly scapegoated by a Malaysian society not willing to examine its own fractures and divisions. But I have lived for years with the shame of being a citizen whose own country will not even let his mother stay, in spite of everything she has done for her Malaysian family.
    It’s easy to mock people like us for saying things like “I will never die for this country”; it’s hard to accept that this country has never given people like us a reason to die for it. When my family migrates to New Zealand , they will not be looking back wistfully; they will be looking forward to a future where my mother is not forever in legal jeopardy, forever at risk of separation from us. The last thing on their minds will be a country obsessed with small-minded “Malay unity”, obsessed with worshipping its keris-waving heroes while ignoring the countless non-Malays who gave their lives in apparent vain for a country which will not recognise the ideal behind their sacrifice.
    John Lee is a second-year student of economics in the United States . He has been thinking aloud since 2005

  11. #11 by ktteokt on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 12:12 pm

    Absolutely double standards – UMNO party warning for Ahmad Ismail but TWO years in Kamunting for RPK! Time to set up two separate court systems for civil purposes, one for UMNOPUTRAS and the other for commoners! So this is what they proclaim in the RUKUNEGARA – masyarakat yang ADIL???????

  12. #12 by zak_hammaad on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 12:29 pm

    Malaysia will abolish ISA only when it’s citizens can guarantee that they will not indulge in subversive activities that threaten national security and social/economic stability.

    ktteokt, UMNO made a huge blunder with Ahmad and this shows the weakness, incompetence and indecisiveness of not only AAB, but the failure of all the UMNOputeras. They understand now that is major changes are not implemented soon, UMNO as a major force in BN will wither away into nothingness.

  13. #13 by dragon88 on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 12:31 pm

    We should follow the Thais. We should have mass demonstrations in every capital of Malaysia on the same day. Send Bodowi and Najib to Zimbadwi. Maybe, Bodowi can run his Nasi Kanda bisiness in Perth. bUt I don’t think we want him either. This ISA is f….. stupid. We cannot let BN get away with this type of dictatorship…

  14. #14 by zak_hammaad on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 12:32 pm

    Jeffrey Says:

    >> Knowing RPK, it not detention in Kamunting that breaks his spirit – it is the deprivation of the computer, the note book and access to the Internet.

    I think this is a good thing, without a PC at least he will not be able to indulge in irresponsible anti-race relations excercises and willful slander of religion. I hope he comes out as a rehabilitated person, otherwise it will be back in the slammer for him I’m afraid. So you sew, so shall you reap et al.

  15. #15 by sj on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 12:33 pm

    “rpk is pathetic betting on anwar, now he must be wailing beating his chest in his cell after he learned 16 sept comes and goes …….

    how can be be so dump waging his freedom on anwar” by melurian

    Melurian, how cruel can you get by saying this kind of things to RPK? Sometimes I find that people like you just does not understand the meaning of convictions and sacrifices. RPK did write before hand that there is a possibility that he would be detained in this manner yet he is still betting on Anwar, did you stop ask yourself why he would do that instead of just immediately saying that it is stupid of him?

    If it is one thing is stupid, I would dare say is the RAKYAT BODOH MALAYSIA that is stupid. With people begging you guys to sign the petition and yet you guys only manage to produce as pathetic as about 20k of signatures. When you have great leaders defending your rights and got sent to ISA, what did you people do???

    RPK is one of those real guys who fight the good fight for the good of us. Now that he has been sent to Kamunting, UMNO will have the chance to gather their strength again, unless they are stopped, they will continue with what they are doing after Badawi is replaced.

    It is now already Sept 23 2008, may I ask, does Pakatan Rakyat has a plan B? You can see from Pak Lah’s action that he has no intention or whatsoever to even budge. He just wants to hang on to power until someone really gives him a punch on the face and kick him out. So is there a plan B?

  16. #16 by Swarnabumi on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 12:34 pm

    YB LKS ,
    Some “smart” guy from UMNO said ” 9 Okt ibarat dengar guruh dilangit , air tempayan dicurahkan”. Well sir, these guy don’t seems to understand that what is coming is a tsunami. The direction to look for is the sea not the sky. With the uncertainty looming in USA, we cannot continue to have a picnic by the beach.Now the problems in real life is that some guys do not know where and when to look for vital signs to protect their nation but still demand to be treated like global leaders. Anyway how can they when the moment someone like RPK think out of the , some mentally incapable politicians ISA him

  17. #17 by zak_hammaad on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 12:35 pm

    dragon88 Says:

    >> We should follow the Thais. We should have mass demonstrations in every capital of Malaysia on the same day.

    For you to incite such a ridiculous idea for Malaysia would actually warrant your arrest under ISA. However, Malaysians are not accustomed to street demonstrations and would prefer order and stability over violent chaos. What you propose it detrimental to the very economy you are already riling about; what irony!

  18. #18 by taiking on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 12:53 pm

    Umno was constructed on four well known pillars of strength: (1) ketuanan melayu; (2) msm control; (3) may 13; and (4) ISA.

    The ketuanan melayu issue is now an obviously dead issue and umno would be well advised not to press it. Three reasons: First, we are all pendatangs; secondly, the malay race is not a uniform race like the chinese and hence their majority status is questionable; and thirdly, non-malays have contributed greatly to this land and its people even before independence.

    The msm control has been countered by the alternative media to the extent that news from the alternative media are now given more credit. Hence, umno finds it very hard to influence voters during election and its propaganda is no longer effective like before.

    May 13 is now well known to be a result of political instigation by umno. This used to be powerful weapon of fear at umno’s disposal. But these days umno makes reference to racial disputes and sensitivities without drawing any attachment to the may 13 incident. They cant and they know it.

    ISA is all umno has. And it has lost a lot of its original strength. The nationwide disapproval of the law and its wanton application by umno has turned it from what was once a powerful weapon to strike fear into now, a weapon of self-destruction. People not only no longer fear the ISA detention as much as before, the almost unanimous cry against the law by the people up and down the country quite effectively worked against the application of the law by umno. With every ISA detention made, umno’s credibility and standing as a political party would be knocked down by a further notch – something umno can ill afford at this point of its survival.

    But without ISA, umno would collapse sooner rather than later. However, buying time is now the main consideration for umno; and hence keeping ISA would at least serve umno that purpose.

  19. #19 by melurian on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 12:58 pm

    “Well sir, these guy don’t seems to understand that what is coming is a tsunami.”

    yeah, operasi tsunami aka lallang ii, semua oppos kasi sumbat ke isa, terutamanya yang paling cakap “menukar kerajaan”…….

    how do you know only mental incapable politician would invoke isa ? look at how razak, tdm with his isa during their reign, so effective and lim chong eu and razaleigh sudah dijinakkan….. if rpk caught before all his “no holds barred” getting uncontrollable, probably png, selangor and perak still under bn…..

  20. #20 by jt84 on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 1:44 pm

    Forum on abolishing ISA is to continue to keep the steam going for Anti-ISA movement. However, the real solution would lies in the administration of a Pakatan Rakyat government.

    There seems to be a “lull before the Mother of all political tsunamis (in Malaysia)”.

    Will it happen in days to come or weeks to come? No one really knows. Not even DSAI knows himself. However, there is a need for Rakyat to know the “progress” without comprising the comprehensive execution plan really soon. The “political state of limbo” has not been the most helpful for Malaysian economy now.

    Nevertheless, let us all continue to hope and pray. My spirit is still high for a PR Government and hopefully it will happen soon (this week?).

  21. #21 by jt84 on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 1:47 pm

    “lull before the Mother of all political tsunamis (in Malaysia)” – quoted from anilnetto.com (Syed Hamid sends RPK to Kamunting entry)

  22. #22 by k1980 on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 2:07 pm

    Come to your senses, umno-nites will never abolish the ISA because it is a weapon used by them to keep themselves in power. This is like asking the Americans to abolish the use of their advanced air power in Iraq and Afghanistan, and fight the jihadists without any air support, that is, asking the Americans to commit suicide.

  23. #23 by justice fighter on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 2:10 pm

    We need to fight for Justice

  24. #24 by bclee on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 2:15 pm

    Latest news RPK was sentence 2 years under ISA will sent to Kamunting detention jail.

    very sad to heard that.

    please free RPK …. we will fight untill u release RPK and all detained under ISA

  25. #25 by grimreaper on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 2:54 pm

    It seems that ISA is a tool that is being abused by the government to bring fear to the general Malaysian public to stop them from voicing out the current government’s incompetencies in running the country.

    Based on the reasons given by the Home Minister for signing the ISA order to detain YB Raja Petra, then GOD help all Malaysians. They had better start building a bigger detention centre in Kamunting…

  26. #26 by HJ Angus on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 2:55 pm

    taiking:
    Good points on the control of Malaysia.

    I guess RPK will be in Kamunting untill PAKATAN takes over. The Home Minister has still not learned anything but make use of this unjust law.
    http://malaysiawatch4.blogspot.com/2008/09/malaysiakini-now-raja-petra-detained.html

  27. #27 by taiking on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 3:26 pm

    If we cannot get the umno government to abolish ISA then we must neutralise its effects sufficiently so that umno would be less inclined to abuse it save in the safest of circumstances (assuming that syed hamid is not the decision maker under the Act).

    The public’s perception of the Act now is very very negetive. This issue can be played up to pakatan’s fullest advantage. In the past, when they were strong, umno could afford to ignore public sentiments and bulldoze their way through.

    Now, negative public sentiments can be translated into lost of voters’ support. This equation must be drawn up and made known to umno. ISA = lost of voters’ support. If this can be achieved, then effectively umno would be naked! May 13 was their creation. So cannot use it to freighten people anymore. Ketuanan melayu is an issue that will backfire if pressed. Better not mention it. And MSM? But the people have alternative media. So, what else do they have?

    Umno is now labouring under another problem of their own creation. Disregard for meritocracy. Instead of choosing leaders with merits to lead the party, umno picked their leaders on the basis of connection and relations. (They have a tendency of dropping their gems. For example Zaid.) And the end result is they have a party which is led by a bunch of “syed botaks”!

  28. #28 by Reborn on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 3:35 pm

    This is really what people called ” LAW IN DISORDER ” !

    How sad !

  29. #29 by k1980 on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 3:42 pm

    Hero ( Song in honour of RPK )

    There’s a hero
    If you look inside your heart
    You don’t have to be afraid
    Of what you are
    There’s an answer
    If you reach into your sould
    And the sorrow that you know
    Will melt away

    [Chorus:]
    And then a hero comes along
    With the strength to carry on
    And you cast your fears aside
    And you know you can survive
    So when you feel like hope is gone
    Look inside you and be strong
    And you’ll finally see the truth
    That a hero lies in you

  30. #30 by boh-liao on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:06 pm

    Why no speakers from MCA, MIC, and Gerakan in ‘The panel of Distinguished Speakers’?

  31. #31 by Dr. W on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:15 pm

    Should be corrected as ‘The Panel of Disgusted Speakers’

  32. #32 by Dr. W on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:16 pm

    continued….if there is any from MCA, MIC and Gerakan.

  33. #33 by AhPek on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:23 pm

    RPK was interviewed by an Australian interview which was on Australian TV during the PP campaign period, and he was definitely aware of what was in store for him.He knew that they would slap the ISA on him before 16th Sept but also confident that Anwar would succeed in his quest to wrest power from BN (ie on the 16th SEpt), otherwise Anwar would join him as fellow cell-mate.However if his prediction were to come out right he would be in jail for 2 weeks!
    The prediction of RPK has appeared to fall short.However from the scenario that is unfolding, with Abdullah Badawi standing his ground, it could emerge RPK’s reading of the political situation could be right after all though he has to stay put for a little longer than 2 weeks.

  34. #34 by AhPek on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:24 pm

    oops.. Australian interviewer.

  35. #35 by Loh on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:24 pm

    ///Disregard for meritocracy. Instead of choosing leaders with merits to lead the party, umno picked their leaders on the basis of connection and relations///–taiking

    At least we cannot complain that UMNO is not consistent. They organise the party the way they govern the country. Except the country belongs to all Malaysians, so we think, but the party, the Malays, so they hope.

  36. #36 by just a moment on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:31 pm

    zak_hammaad Says:

    I think this is a good thing, without a PC at least he will not be able to indulge in irresponsible anti-race relations excercises and willful slander of religion. I hope he comes out as a rehabilitated person, otherwise it will be back in the slammer for him I’m afraid. So you sew, so shall you reap et al.
    ==============================================

    zak, I understand your jubilation at this time. Its ok for now.
    May I also remind you that You are a pathetic individual as well as being a “Badly brought Up” individual. Shame is never in your volcabulary because your total make-up as being a sadist. Bet you would not know what sadist means. Knowing well that this blog is about New Nation and PKR’s hope, haven’t any of your elder ever thought you the manner of being polite and respectful in other people’s house? I view that you are truly a very sick individual and nothing please you more than enjoying others misfortune. This is why you set apart from everyone else here in this blog. May God have mercy on you. We cannot help you here zak- whatever you are trying to achiebved here.

  37. #37 by Loh on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:34 pm

    Remember the Home Minister Syed Hamid Jaafar said that ISA was utilized to protect the reporter Tan Hoon Cheng. The Minister got the name wrong. It was RPK that Syed Hamid Jaafar was trying to protect. RPK knew a lot. Either they want to make sure that RPK’s information could be made available to court, or they want the court not to see RPK.

    The question then is RPK’s change of address an assurance that he would not go to the court, or he would. That tells us who is winning.

  38. #38 by zak_hammaad on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:43 pm

    just a moment Says:

    >> May I also remind you that You are a pathetic individual as well as being a “Badly brought Up” individual.

    Feeling are mutual jam, the only difference is I do not ‘casually’ attack people I disagree with, at least without justifying myself. It must your intolerance doing the speaking for you.

    >> Shame is never in your volcabulary because your total make-up as being a sadist.

    Sadism refers to sexual or non-sexual gratification in the infliction of pain or humiliation upon or by another person. PRK displays this very well by way of instigating anti-Muslim sentiments. His words in his blog speak louder than your mere words.

    He will be held without trial under Section 8 of the ISA and I hope October’s review adds another year to his light sentence.

    “New Nation and PKR’s hope”? Is this another one of your oppositions hollow and meaningless slogans? You can NOT build a new nation without knowing what this means in the context of Malaysia’s social demography. You are quite simply as thick as two planks of wood.

    Good day.

  39. #39 by AhPek on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:47 pm

    ‘Malaysia will abolish ISA only when its citizens can guarantee that they will not indulge in subversive activities that threaten security and social/economic stability.’.zak-hamaad.

    Certainly the starting of your statement should be UMNO will abolish ISA….and even that is wrong cos UMNO will not abolish ISA.ISA was first legislated in Britain during World War 2 with the express purpose of preventing sabotage of the state from within and without, and was subsequently brought to Malaysia for the purpose of combating communist insurgents.Malaya has inherited this law after independence,and has come to realise that this law very suitable for them to advance their own interest so much so they continue to use it even after communist insurgents have long gone.They have morphed ISA into an instrument to serve their self interest in maintaining power with your hero mamak adding more dragonian laws to make doubly sure that nobody dares to even think of upsetting the apple cart.Citizens having contrarian positions would be view as subversives to be put away by slapping the ISA. How convenient!
    Your having contrarian ideas can be viewed as a security threat and also upsetting social and economic stability.Of course they would not think that their policies could be the actual cause.

  40. #40 by Rick jones on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 4:59 pm

    Mr.Lim, I admire your courage at this difficult time.It can be seen that our PM is desperate to survive.I am sure it won’t be long till our PM gets the message.I am suprised that the DPM is given the finance post at this delicate time.I wonder who Badawi did not do something concrete with the finance before giving it to Naijib with full of problems which should be handled by Badawi.It shows that both are actually lost in transition and is a serious effect. I pray that this country would be stable with a better efficient PM and DPM in the end.

  41. #41 by lchk on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 5:20 pm

    zak posted:

    “Malaysia will abolish ISA only when it’s citizens can guarantee that they will not indulge in subversive activities that threaten national security and social/economic stability.”

    Who the hell are you? A self-proclaimed foreigner who believes he decides when the ISA is abolished.

  42. #42 by End Racial Discrimination. on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 5:21 pm

    Catching citizens in the street just for the purpose of investigations without any proof of wrong doing is a ridiculous law.

    This is one reason why citizens and tourist don’t feel safe with police around them.

    Nobody is above the law and god, the person who invented this law is none other then a dictator.

  43. #43 by AsalUsuLMalaysia on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 5:27 pm

    just a moment Says:

    May God have mercy on you. We cannot help you here zak- whatever you are trying to achiebved here.
    ============================================

    These ppl seems faithful to their believing BUT they distorted the holy preaching. I repead, “they seems” believe in, however their behavior seems to be other wise.

    Let them be, i believe what goes around comes around. Regardless of race and religion, these creatures are creation of god’s too so be it.

    Ignore it, no matter how strong this evil forces would be, embrace as everything bads comes to an end. Our fight for justice will soon prevail.

  44. #44 by lhslhv on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 5:30 pm

    I have lost respect for the government institutions in Malaysia. They are all rubbish. You will not find any professionalism in them. They will do things in accordance with their whims and fancies.

    The police does not do their jobs.

    The judiciary cannot be just.

    The executives are highly corrupted.

    There is no proper system to handle anything.

    There are policies that can be defied by the little Napoleans.

    Your compliants will fall into deft ears.

    Malaysia is in a state of chaos!

    This is a quote that I like to use: When the country is governed by fools, there will be chaos.

    The only way to stop this chaos is to stop voting for BN! Otherwise there is no hope.

    If we don’t end up like Zimbabwe, we will likely turns into Somalia resorting to hijacking liners. Or we may become Indonesia where the people will come to Malaysia to steal motorbikes and ship them back.

  45. #45 by lhslhv on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 5:42 pm

    When the power is in the hand of one or few, it is definitely going to be abused.

    That was why Dr Sun Yet Sen overthrew the Ching dynasty of
    China.

    How can the fate of the whole nation falls into the hands of only few?

    Even history tells us that evil can never overcome good. Good will prevail. Histoty has taught us that all the tyranic emperors would face the same fate, that is, collapse.

  46. #46 by taiking on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 5:46 pm

    zak said:

    “Malaysia will abolish ISA only when it’s citizens can guarantee that they will not indulge in subversive activities that threaten national security and social/economic stability.”

    How does he know that when we the citizens of malaysia give the requisite quarantee, the ISA would be abolished?

    And Umno to forego the discretionary power it weilds in exchange for a guarantee by us, the people of malaysia?

    How simplistic!! He obviously doesnt know umno well enough.

    Well anyway, here it is – the guarantee:

    “I TAIKING HEREBY GUARANTEE THAT the citizens of malaysia will not indulge in subversive activities that threaten national security and social/economic stability.”

    Zak, pls help us to get the Act abolished. Make it asap. Thank you so much.

  47. #47 by zak_hammaad on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 5:47 pm

    ichk, no Malaysian would disagree with that statement. I have a duty as a PR of Malaysia (just like you do) to make sure that Malaysia’s stability and security is never compromised!

    “Raja Petra Kamarudin sent to Kamunting to begin two-year detention under ISA” reads a headline in NST. It is crazy for the government to be giving out such information to the public; we should follow S’pore’s example where they take someone under ISA and do not broadcast that they have done so until after the individual has been released!

    Come on Malaysia, stop this loud-speaker mentality and keep the anti-ISA non-pragmatists guessing while RPK rots.

  48. #48 by zak_hammaad on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 5:52 pm

    taiking, ISA by it’s very morphed nature exists to deal with national security issues primarily. My question was actually rhetorical to show the impossibility of having such a guarantee.

    lhslhv Says:

    >> When the power is in the hand of one or few, it is definitely going to be abused.

    Perhaps, but how many countries are there who would give anything to have a set-up like PAP? Abuse of power? maybe, but efficient as second-to-none.

  49. #49 by lhslhv on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 5:54 pm

    Everytime I heard of people saying that their religion is the greatest on earth, I have this to say.

    If other “great” religions are so great, the Chinese who has 5,000 years of written history (no other race in the world can challenge this) must be a very stupid race on earth in not believing in other “GREAT” religions.

    With great wisdom, until today, they are still practicing their old religions of Taoism and Buddhist.

  50. #50 by zak_hammaad on Tuesday, 23 September 2008 - 6:10 pm

    End Racial Discrimination. Says:

    >> Catching citizens in the street just for the purpose of investigations without any proof of wrong doing is a ridiculous law.

    I think you will find that there has to be a strong suspicion or at least an amount of evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) to warrant an arrest under ISA. The act allows the authorities to substantiate and corroborate the information and get to the bottom of the reality. It would be foolish to let the suspect off simply because there is no proof. The risks involved are too high and are measured according to the threat posed. Kok was released within a week after investigations and corroborating the allegations, which on the face of it had substance. I doubt a commoner would have been interned under ISA as they would not have the same level of influence as an MP.

    To allow a potentially major problem to fester by non-internment is not an option, especially in a diverse country as Malaysia.

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