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	<title>Comments on: “Free MP Teresa Kok Perak State Assembly Caucus” to be formed tomorrow</title>
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		<title>By: &#171;??&#187;???????????: ????</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/18/%e2%80%9cfree-mp-teresa-kok-perak-state-assembly-caucus%e2%80%9d-to-be-formed-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-136452</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Politics has been regarded as a very &#171;dirty&#187; business. If there is a saint among Malaysi.... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Loh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>///Then PM’s resignation : Article 43(4) states that if the Prime Minister ceases to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the House of Representatives, then, unless at his request the Yang di-Pertuan Agong dissolves Parliament, the Prime Minister shall tender the resignation of the Cabinet.///-- Quoted from Jeffrey

The paragraph deals only with the action after the fact that the PM ceases to command the confidence has been established. A vote of no confidence in the House would be one way to establish openly for all to see that the PM has lost the confidence. It is possible that the members march to the palace and to be counted. That can be done any day but it may not be easy to assemble all the people there at an appointed time. When the question of whether a member said to be willing to support Anwar might have second thought of the chances that others like minded person would follow through, when all of  them have the right to be present in the lower house, the problem of getting them to be physically present in the Palace might be that much more difficult. Logistically, they might be blocked by traffic police, and might not be able to be there within limited period of the appointed time. So, going through the process of proving that AAB has lost half the MPs in the house is the safest way to go through it.

October 13 is the date where Parliament should convene. If I am not mistaken, there seems to be a provision that the PM could delay reconvening the parliament for 6 months. So, Anwar might have to consider some other ways to convince the King of the lack of support the PM has in the house.

TDM said that he would not ISA Anwar but would use the law if he was PM. The objective of preventing Anwar gaining power is the same. TDM replied in the context on how to prevent Anwar claiming the right to govern when he had more than half the MPs in the House. He also said he used the law in the past. He did not specify that he used the law because everybody is equal before the law, and whoever violated the law has to be dealt with accordingly. Do. TDM clearly stated that he used the law to stop Anwar's political career. TDM must be confused with AAB's action. AAB has not done anything to right the wrong in the judiciary, but yet he could not use the law to his advantage. AAB showed his anger and said that he would act on his own way. His trump card was only ISA. It turned out the card was two, not a trump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///Then PM’s resignation : Article 43(4) states that if the Prime Minister ceases to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the House of Representatives, then, unless at his request the Yang di-Pertuan Agong dissolves Parliament, the Prime Minister shall tender the resignation of the Cabinet.///&#8211; Quoted from Jeffrey</p>
<p>The paragraph deals only with the action after the fact that the PM ceases to command the confidence has been established. A vote of no confidence in the House would be one way to establish openly for all to see that the PM has lost the confidence. It is possible that the members march to the palace and to be counted. That can be done any day but it may not be easy to assemble all the people there at an appointed time. When the question of whether a member said to be willing to support Anwar might have second thought of the chances that others like minded person would follow through, when all of  them have the right to be present in the lower house, the problem of getting them to be physically present in the Palace might be that much more difficult. Logistically, they might be blocked by traffic police, and might not be able to be there within limited period of the appointed time. So, going through the process of proving that AAB has lost half the MPs in the house is the safest way to go through it.</p>
<p>October 13 is the date where Parliament should convene. If I am not mistaken, there seems to be a provision that the PM could delay reconvening the parliament for 6 months. So, Anwar might have to consider some other ways to convince the King of the lack of support the PM has in the house.</p>
<p>TDM said that he would not ISA Anwar but would use the law if he was PM. The objective of preventing Anwar gaining power is the same. TDM replied in the context on how to prevent Anwar claiming the right to govern when he had more than half the MPs in the House. He also said he used the law in the past. He did not specify that he used the law because everybody is equal before the law, and whoever violated the law has to be dealt with accordingly. Do. TDM clearly stated that he used the law to stop Anwar&#8217;s political career. TDM must be confused with AAB&#8217;s action. AAB has not done anything to right the wrong in the judiciary, but yet he could not use the law to his advantage. AAB showed his anger and said that he would act on his own way. His trump card was only ISA. It turned out the card was two, not a trump.</p>
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		<title>By: veddy.lum74</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/18/%e2%80%9cfree-mp-teresa-kok-perak-state-assembly-caucus%e2%80%9d-to-be-formed-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-136288</link>
		<dc:creator>veddy.lum74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now,after SAPP quiting BN,the BN head,quoting that SAPP has  always been the naughty boys in the 'class',i thought previously he said only Yong T L because of position greed?so what about PPP then?some UMNO leaders had asked PPP to quit?are they naughty boys too?or only Kayveas?damn it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now,after SAPP quiting BN,the BN head,quoting that SAPP has  always been the naughty boys in the &#8216;class&#8217;,i thought previously he said only Yong T L because of position greed?so what about PPP then?some UMNO leaders had asked PPP to quit?are they naughty boys too?or only Kayveas?damn it!</p>
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		<title>By: veddy.lum74</title>
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		<dc:creator>veddy.lum74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i suggest that since the BN is so supportive to the ISA,we want the United Nation,if there is such similar act,to detain our racist leaders especially from UMNO,whom keep-on instigating racialism and religion issues,WITHOUT TRIAL,for years,see how they,and their associates,family members feel about that draconian act!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i suggest that since the BN is so supportive to the ISA,we want the United Nation,if there is such similar act,to detain our racist leaders especially from UMNO,whom keep-on instigating racialism and religion issues,WITHOUT TRIAL,for years,see how they,and their associates,family members feel about that draconian act!</p>
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		<title>By: melurian</title>
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		<dc:creator>melurian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>even tdm with his wisdom sokong mp seputeh arrestment (if necessary):

src: http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/19/nation/2069691&#38;sec=nation

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Dr Mahathir said Kok’s arrest was not justified as there was no security reason at the moment but &lt;b&gt;the Government could arrest her later for such a purpose if necessary&lt;/b&gt;.

He said if Kok was involved in trying to stop the azan (call for prayers), there should be an explanation that the subject was not something she should talk about. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even tdm with his wisdom sokong mp seputeh arrestment (if necessary):</p>
<p>src: <a href="http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/19/nation/2069691&amp;sec=nation" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/19/nation/2069691&amp;sec=nation</a></p>
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Dr Mahathir said Kok’s arrest was not justified as there was no security reason at the moment but <b>the Government could arrest her later for such a purpose if necessary</b>.</p>
<p>He said if Kok was involved in trying to stop the azan (call for prayers), there should be an explanation that the subject was not something she should talk about. </i></p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdullah needs to answer one simple question, if Anwar has the numbers, will he concedes defeat and handover power? You know the answer already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdullah needs to answer one simple question, if Anwar has the numbers, will he concedes defeat and handover power? You know the answer already.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Wang Yen</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/18/%e2%80%9cfree-mp-teresa-kok-perak-state-assembly-caucus%e2%80%9d-to-be-formed-tomorrow/comment-page-2/#comment-136276</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Wang Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In any case, I agree with Jeffrey that the best way to resolve the deadlock is to present the pile of signed notes Anwar claimed to have obtained to the king. It is as peaceful and orderly as the emergency session in parliament. And it can prevent the names of defecting MPs being revealed to the ruling party before the PM is summoned to either tender a resignation or offer counter evidence. 

It's hard to think of a good reason not to do this if one really has the numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any case, I agree with Jeffrey that the best way to resolve the deadlock is to present the pile of signed notes Anwar claimed to have obtained to the king. It is as peaceful and orderly as the emergency session in parliament. And it can prevent the names of defecting MPs being revealed to the ruling party before the PM is summoned to either tender a resignation or offer counter evidence. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to think of a good reason not to do this if one really has the numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Wang Yen</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/18/%e2%80%9cfree-mp-teresa-kok-perak-state-assembly-caucus%e2%80%9d-to-be-formed-tomorrow/comment-page-2/#comment-136271</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Wang Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops...no-confidence vote.'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230;no-confidence vote.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Wang Yen</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/18/%e2%80%9cfree-mp-teresa-kok-perak-state-assembly-caucus%e2%80%9d-to-be-formed-tomorrow/comment-page-2/#comment-136270</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Wang Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And B, C, D will make the same consideration during the no-confidence votes. A, B, C, D won't stand up if they are each making this consideration. 

For a no-confidence vote to succeed in resolving the deadlock, there must be some BN MPs who do not condition their support on the success of PR in taking over the government. There must be some BN MPs who are willing to gamble - to support Anwar while being fully aware of the risk incurred if the vote of no-confidence fails. But this goes against Kanthanboy's suggestion that BN MPs condition their support on the success or likely success of PR. 

Actually, I think Anwar is banking on some BN MPs who are willing to gamble to create a ripple effect so as to win over some hesitating BN MPs. That probably explains why he is pushing for the no-confidence vote. But in any case, it seems that he has to do all this because he hasn't got the numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And B, C, D will make the same consideration during the no-confidence votes. A, B, C, D won&#8217;t stand up if they are each making this consideration. </p>
<p>For a no-confidence vote to succeed in resolving the deadlock, there must be some BN MPs who do not condition their support on the success of PR in taking over the government. There must be some BN MPs who are willing to gamble - to support Anwar while being fully aware of the risk incurred if the vote of no-confidence fails. But this goes against Kanthanboy&#8217;s suggestion that BN MPs condition their support on the success or likely success of PR. </p>
<p>Actually, I think Anwar is banking on some BN MPs who are willing to gamble to create a ripple effect so as to win over some hesitating BN MPs. That probably explains why he is pushing for the no-confidence vote. But in any case, it seems that he has to do all this because he hasn&#8217;t got the numbers.</p>
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