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	<title>Comments on: Zaid Ibrahim to attend &#8211; &#8220;Free MP Teresa Kok&#8221; parliamentary caucus inaugural meeting tomorrow</title>
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		<title>By: Yee Siew Wah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yee Siew Wah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SAPP has the backbone to pull out of BN. As for MCA/MIC/Gerakan they are selfish and spineless lot. They only care for themselves. Just look at the “Free MP Teresa Parliamentary Caucus” campaign.
None of these spineless guys attended and support their release from ISA.
That goes to show the type of bums representing our rakyat.
I hope the East Malaysian people realise that SAPP action is for their own good.
I wish SAPP and their leaders the best for the future.

I have to repeat again that I have full respect for Zaid and appreciate what he has tried to do for the country.
Now on his own, I know he will try and do something good for the country especially on  racial and religious issues which are tearing the country apart now. I can be sure the rakyat will support him all the way irrespective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAPP has the backbone to pull out of BN. As for MCA/MIC/Gerakan they are selfish and spineless lot. They only care for themselves. Just look at the “Free MP Teresa Parliamentary Caucus” campaign.<br />
None of these spineless guys attended and support their release from ISA.<br />
That goes to show the type of bums representing our rakyat.<br />
I hope the East Malaysian people realise that SAPP action is for their own good.<br />
I wish SAPP and their leaders the best for the future.</p>
<p>I have to repeat again that I have full respect for Zaid and appreciate what he has tried to do for the country.<br />
Now on his own, I know he will try and do something good for the country especially on  racial and religious issues which are tearing the country apart now. I can be sure the rakyat will support him all the way irrespective.</p>
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		<title>By: pamelaoda</title>
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		<dc:creator>pamelaoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just look at the different between Zaid and Ahmad. One said and done something and respected by all Malaysians while the other gone hiding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just look at the different between Zaid and Ahmad. One said and done something and respected by all Malaysians while the other gone hiding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: zheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>zheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Kasim Amat.....
For me u are a stupid terrorist. So u should be arrested under ISA for whole life without referring your case to court. Nobody will be allowed to visit u in lock up except monkeys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kasim Amat&#8230;..<br />
For me u are a stupid terrorist. So u should be arrested under ISA for whole life without referring your case to court. Nobody will be allowed to visit u in lock up except monkeys.</p>
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		<title>By: zheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>zheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Done Senator Zaid Ibrahim. U have done something which benefit our country and all malaysian citizens. And U r performing much better than all other BN chinese component parties leaders and UMNO leaders. Some of them are acted like extremist and some of others are responded cowardly and placed self interest in front of everthing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Done Senator Zaid Ibrahim. U have done something which benefit our country and all malaysian citizens. And U r performing much better than all other BN chinese component parties leaders and UMNO leaders. Some of them are acted like extremist and some of others are responded cowardly and placed self interest in front of everthing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Monarchy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anti-Monarchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ktteokt Says: 

Today at 08: 29.13 (5 hours ago) 
Anti-Monarchy, don’t you know what they say about “leaving the poison for others”? They do not even believe in what they are doing. They only do unto others what they do not do to their own children - feeding them with poison! 

Besides, the grass is always greener on the other side and their children are sent overseas on taxpayers’ “scholarship” money! Indirectly, they are admitting their incapabilities and calling the rakyat SUCKERS - get local education at the lowest quality while my children, the elites, go overseas at your expense for world-class education! 

What a disgrace as the MINISTER OF EDUCATION! Perhaps he should start educating himself first - remember KEPIMPINAN MELALUI TELADAN
..........................................................................................

You are right!

Oh yes KEPIMPINAN MELALUI TELADAN or is it KE&quot;PIMP&quot;INAN MELALUI TELADAN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ktteokt Says: </p>
<p>Today at 08: 29.13 (5 hours ago)<br />
Anti-Monarchy, don’t you know what they say about “leaving the poison for others”? They do not even believe in what they are doing. They only do unto others what they do not do to their own children &#8211; feeding them with poison! </p>
<p>Besides, the grass is always greener on the other side and their children are sent overseas on taxpayers’ “scholarship” money! Indirectly, they are admitting their incapabilities and calling the rakyat SUCKERS &#8211; get local education at the lowest quality while my children, the elites, go overseas at your expense for world-class education! </p>
<p>What a disgrace as the MINISTER OF EDUCATION! Perhaps he should start educating himself first &#8211; remember KEPIMPINAN MELALUI TELADAN<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>You are right!</p>
<p>Oh yes KEPIMPINAN MELALUI TELADAN or is it KE&#8221;PIMP&#8221;INAN MELALUI TELADAN!</p>
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		<title>By: cyndibluebell</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyndibluebell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we salute you Datuk Zaid...man with principal and integrity...brave man..well done...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we salute you Datuk Zaid&#8230;man with principal and integrity&#8230;brave man..well done&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoy reading Kasim Amat&#039;s postings.

On the contrary, we should reply to his illogical statements.

His allegations are just that - empty allegations.

His quick judgements are just that - quick unsubstantiated judgements.

His calling Black as White are just that - empty labels meant solely to mislead.

So, what is there to be afraid of when we speaks the truth?

For the truth shall sets us free!

Happy Merdeka!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoy reading Kasim Amat&#8217;s postings.</p>
<p>On the contrary, we should reply to his illogical statements.</p>
<p>His allegations are just that &#8211; empty allegations.</p>
<p>His quick judgements are just that &#8211; quick unsubstantiated judgements.</p>
<p>His calling Black as White are just that &#8211; empty labels meant solely to mislead.</p>
<p>So, what is there to be afraid of when we speaks the truth?</p>
<p>For the truth shall sets us free!</p>
<p>Happy Merdeka!</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kasim Amat Says: 

Yesterday at 22: 18.34 

Call a spade a spade. Anwar is nothing but a liar. I mentioned countless times that 16 September is a big joke and it could never happen. However, all supporters of PR believed this false hope and carry it with their livings everyday. I can understand how bad the feeling is when some one gave you a fantastic hope and it just diminishes. This is the reality of life. UMNO will never fall so as BN. Anwar had failed all of you terribly and most importantly he had lost the trust and confidence of the people. Therefore, call a spade a spade is what I can summarise from today. 

Mr Khairy is laughing aloud because someone has lost the bet miserably. What is Anwar going to do? Is he going to resign as agreed? I don’t think so.

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REPLY:  Call a spade a spade. Anwar is ATTEMPTING TO DO WHAT NO ONE ELSE HAS SUCCESSFULLY DONE IN THE PAST 51 YEARS SINCE MERDEKA! I mentioned countless times that 16 September is a TARGET and AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE STILL DON&#039;T KNOW WHETHER it could OR COULD NOT happen. However, all supporters of PR believed this TRUE AND GENUINE hope and carry it with their livings everyday. I can understand how ENVIGORATING the feeling is when some one gave you a fantastic hope and it IS HAPPENING. This is the reality of life. UMNO will fall so as BN. Anwar GIVES WONDERFUL HOPE TO all MALAYSIANS and most importantly he HAS the trust and confidence of the people. Therefore, call a spade a spade is what I can summarise from today. 

Mr Khairy is TREMBLING IN FEAR because someone IS GOING TO LOSE the bet miserably. What is KHAIRY going to do? Is he going to RUN AWAY? I think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kasim Amat Says: </p>
<p>Yesterday at 22: 18.34 </p>
<p>Call a spade a spade. Anwar is nothing but a liar. I mentioned countless times that 16 September is a big joke and it could never happen. However, all supporters of PR believed this false hope and carry it with their livings everyday. I can understand how bad the feeling is when some one gave you a fantastic hope and it just diminishes. This is the reality of life. UMNO will never fall so as BN. Anwar had failed all of you terribly and most importantly he had lost the trust and confidence of the people. Therefore, call a spade a spade is what I can summarise from today. </p>
<p>Mr Khairy is laughing aloud because someone has lost the bet miserably. What is Anwar going to do? Is he going to resign as agreed? I don’t think so.</p>
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<p>REPLY:  Call a spade a spade. Anwar is ATTEMPTING TO DO WHAT NO ONE ELSE HAS SUCCESSFULLY DONE IN THE PAST 51 YEARS SINCE MERDEKA! I mentioned countless times that 16 September is a TARGET and AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE STILL DON&#8217;T KNOW WHETHER it could OR COULD NOT happen. However, all supporters of PR believed this TRUE AND GENUINE hope and carry it with their livings everyday. I can understand how ENVIGORATING the feeling is when some one gave you a fantastic hope and it IS HAPPENING. This is the reality of life. UMNO will fall so as BN. Anwar GIVES WONDERFUL HOPE TO all MALAYSIANS and most importantly he HAS the trust and confidence of the people. Therefore, call a spade a spade is what I can summarise from today. </p>
<p>Mr Khairy is TREMBLING IN FEAR because someone IS GOING TO LOSE the bet miserably. What is KHAIRY going to do? Is he going to RUN AWAY? I think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kasim Amat Says: 

Yesterday at 21: 33.49 

Zaid Ibrahim is not fit to be a Minister as he failed to defend government’s action and I would say he did not understand his own responsibilities at all. He is a Minister of Law but does not understand the Law. UMNO does not need him if he is so afraid of using ISA. One must understand that ISA is by no mean a crime by itself and the key is how you use it. The government has used it at the appropriate time to remove threats and prevent further social disability. All races must respect each other and should be sensible in making comment about each other’s culture, and not forgetting the special rights accorded to the Malays under the Constitutions. If these rights are being threatened, then the person responsible must be taken to task. We should not let event like 13 May happen again. Zaid, I wish you all the best.

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REPLY:  Zaid Ibrahim is THE BEST Minister as he RIGHTLY CRITICIZED government’s action and I would say he FULLY understand his own responsibilities. He is a Minister of Law AND does understand the Law. MALAYSIANS need him SINCE he KNOWS THE PITFALLS OF ISA. One must understand that ISA is by no mean a crime by itself and the key is how you use it. The government has used it at the appropriate time to remove threats and prevent further social disability. All races must respect each other and should be sensible in making comment about each other’s culture, and not forgetting the special POSITION accorded to the Malays under the Constitutions. If CONSTITUTION IS being threatened, then the person responsible must be taken to task. We should not let event like 13 May happen again. Zaid, I wish you all the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kasim Amat Says: </p>
<p>Yesterday at 21: 33.49 </p>
<p>Zaid Ibrahim is not fit to be a Minister as he failed to defend government’s action and I would say he did not understand his own responsibilities at all. He is a Minister of Law but does not understand the Law. UMNO does not need him if he is so afraid of using ISA. One must understand that ISA is by no mean a crime by itself and the key is how you use it. The government has used it at the appropriate time to remove threats and prevent further social disability. All races must respect each other and should be sensible in making comment about each other’s culture, and not forgetting the special rights accorded to the Malays under the Constitutions. If these rights are being threatened, then the person responsible must be taken to task. We should not let event like 13 May happen again. Zaid, I wish you all the best.</p>
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<p>REPLY:  Zaid Ibrahim is THE BEST Minister as he RIGHTLY CRITICIZED government’s action and I would say he FULLY understand his own responsibilities. He is a Minister of Law AND does understand the Law. MALAYSIANS need him SINCE he KNOWS THE PITFALLS OF ISA. One must understand that ISA is by no mean a crime by itself and the key is how you use it. The government has used it at the appropriate time to remove threats and prevent further social disability. All races must respect each other and should be sensible in making comment about each other’s culture, and not forgetting the special POSITION accorded to the Malays under the Constitutions. If CONSTITUTION IS being threatened, then the person responsible must be taken to task. We should not let event like 13 May happen again. Zaid, I wish you all the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kasim Amat Says: 

Yesterday at 23: 43.10 

... In Malaysia where Malay and Muslim are the majority, any action or comments infringing the rights of Muslim and the Malays should be considered as serious as committing an terrorist act. ....

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REPLY: 

Dictionary.com carries multiple definitions of terrorism, such as:
1. &quot;the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce ...&quot;
2. &quot;the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism ...&quot;
3. &quot;a terroristic method of governing ...&quot;

To me, I find that:
1. Teresa Kok is not violent.
2. Teresa Kok did not use threats to intimidate or coerce.
3. Teresa Kok did not create a state of fear and submission.
4. Teresa Kok did not govern using terrorism.

By all common sense and decency, no one in their right mind finds Teresa Kok a terrorist threat.

So, please explain clearly and precisely how Teresa Kok&#039;s action and statement equals terrorism?

As for your own twisted definition of terrorism, sorry, but it&#039;s not in the Dictionary!

Don&#039;t try to label Black as White when everyone here knows Black isn&#039;t White!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kasim Amat Says: </p>
<p>Yesterday at 23: 43.10 </p>
<p>&#8230; In Malaysia where Malay and Muslim are the majority, any action or comments infringing the rights of Muslim and the Malays should be considered as serious as committing an terrorist act. &#8230;.</p>
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<p>REPLY: </p>
<p>Dictionary.com carries multiple definitions of terrorism, such as:<br />
1. &#8220;the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce &#8230;&#8221;<br />
2. &#8220;the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism &#8230;&#8221;<br />
3. &#8220;a terroristic method of governing &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>To me, I find that:<br />
1. Teresa Kok is not violent.<br />
2. Teresa Kok did not use threats to intimidate or coerce.<br />
3. Teresa Kok did not create a state of fear and submission.<br />
4. Teresa Kok did not govern using terrorism.</p>
<p>By all common sense and decency, no one in their right mind finds Teresa Kok a terrorist threat.</p>
<p>So, please explain clearly and precisely how Teresa Kok&#8217;s action and statement equals terrorism?</p>
<p>As for your own twisted definition of terrorism, sorry, but it&#8217;s not in the Dictionary!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to label Black as White when everyone here knows Black isn&#8217;t White!</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of inviting Syed Albar to the caucus. In fact all those in favor the arrest of Teresa Kok should be challenged to show up to defend themselves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of inviting Syed Albar to the caucus. In fact all those in favor the arrest of Teresa Kok should be challenged to show up to defend themselves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chongs</title>
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		<dc:creator>chongs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zaid Ibrahim is truly a man of principles. He also has charity in his heart, having been named one of Forbes Asia Heroes of Philanthropy for his Kelantan Foundation for the Disabled. To get a better understanding of his stance and a glimpse into the integrity of his character, I recommend reading Zaid Ibrahim&#039;s book &quot;In Good Faith: Articles, essays and interviews&quot;, published last year if I&#039;m no mistaken. 

It is written in layman&#039;s language by a true patriot, about more transparency and freedom of expression before Malaysians can truly think independently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaid Ibrahim is truly a man of principles. He also has charity in his heart, having been named one of Forbes Asia Heroes of Philanthropy for his Kelantan Foundation for the Disabled. To get a better understanding of his stance and a glimpse into the integrity of his character, I recommend reading Zaid Ibrahim&#8217;s book &#8220;In Good Faith: Articles, essays and interviews&#8221;, published last year if I&#8217;m no mistaken. </p>
<p>It is written in layman&#8217;s language by a true patriot, about more transparency and freedom of expression before Malaysians can truly think independently.</p>
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		<title>By: giko</title>
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		<dc:creator>giko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open Letter to the Minister for Internal Security and Home Affairs – YB Datuk Syed Hamid Albar

September 15, 2008

YB Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar
Kementerian Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, Malaysia
Blok D2, Parcel D
Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Persekutuan
62546 Putrajaya

YB Datuk Seri,

Administrative detentions without trial of:
Raja Petra Kamaruddin – blogger
Tan Hoon Cheng – journalist
Teresa Kok – Member of Parliament and State Legislative Councilor

The arrests and detentions without trial and the circumstances leading to the same of the abovenamed three under the Internal Security Act 1960 (ISA) on Sept. 12, 2008 are a source of grave concern for the rule of law and democratic values in Malaysia. All three are reported to have been detained under Section 73 (1) of the Act for purposes for police inquiry on grounds that there were reasonable cause to believe that they were acting in a manner prejudicial to the security of Malaysia. Under the same Act they can be detained for 60 days thereafter you as Minister could sign a detention order for further detention up to 2 years which could further be renewed. All such detentions are without trial and without any form of judicial supervision.

A further cause for concern is over the show cause letters sent to three newspapers by your Ministry to explain within one week for manipulation of sensitive issues, reporting a racially sensitive statement made by a politician belonging to the dominant political party currently in control of the government and for reporting that the present Inspector General of Police had been &quot;paralysed&quot; after undergoing a bypass surgery. Those notices were served on the newspapers under the Printing Presses and Publication Act 1984, a legislation for annual licensing of newspapers by the Executive.

Obviously if their explanations are not found satisfactory by you the annual licenses issued for these newspapers would be revoked. The decision to revoke is final and under the Act cannot be questioned &quot;by any court or any ground whatsoever&quot;. Service of such notices leaves a chilling effect on freedom of the press.

With regard to the arrests and detentions in the case of Raja Petra Kamaruddin, there are two charges for sedition and criminal defamation pending against him for the very news items posted in his blog. Without awaiting the trials on these charges detaining him administratively would be seen as interfering into the due process of the court and prejudging the criminal charges and could amount to contempt of court. Such detention could also be seen as preventing him from adequately preparing his defences to the two criminal charges.

In the case of journalist, Tan Hoon Cheng, though it is a relieve that she has since been released after 18 hours of detention yet to subject her to such arrest and detention under the ISA for having recorded and reported accurately in the newspaper what is now alleged to be sensitive is beyond belief. What is of serious concern was the person who uttered the alleged sensitive remark, Datuk Ahmad Ismail, is currently under investigation for sedition. To date, it is reported that the police had not completed their investigations. Yet how in the interim the journalist who reported could be a threat to the security of the State is most puzzling. How did the police come to believe that she could be a threat to State security when the investigations were incomplete? Your clarification at your press conference on Sept. 13 that she was detained partly because of &quot;alleged threats on her personal safety&quot; is untenable. A country where the government has been resisting legislation to provide whistle blowers protection could resort to arbitrary detention under such a draconian legislation to provide such protection is shocking indeed.

Why the journalist who merely recorded and reported the statement was subjected to such detention when the person who uttered the statement is still not charged under the Sedition Act is yet to be explained. Your contention is that Datuk Ahmad has been suspended for three years from his political party meant that action has been taken against him. This is most unsatisfactory. The suspension from his political party was an internal party procedure. No action as yet has been taken against Datuk Ahmad by the State for an offence against the State. In any event the fact that UMNO (the political party) suspended him must necessarily mean that what she reported was true and correct.

In the case of Member of Parliament, Teresa Kok’s detention, you were reported to have said in the press conference that &quot;She started a very sensitive issue with the question of the ‘azan’ and it should be stopped&quot;. She vehemently denied these allegations from the beginning and from media reports of various persons including the mosques concerned there appears abundance of evidence to support her denial. Yet todate no action seems to have been taken against the former Chief Minister of the State of Selangor, Khir Toyo, who lost his seat and his government in the March 8, general elections. It was he who made the allegations against her which were reported in a vernacular newspaper. Should he not be investigated for the offence of false news under Section 8(A) of the Printing Presses and Publications Act 1984 if not detained under the ISA?

The newspaper which originally published the news too may have committed the same offence. It is learnt that a police report has been lodged against Khir Toyo. What is the state of the investigations? Why detain Teresa Kok in the interim?

These latest developments are reminiscent of what happened in Malaysia in 1987 when 106 were detained under this draconian legislation and four newspapers banned. Those detentions led in the following year to the government’s assault on the independent judiciary. It is also reminiscent of how internal dissensions within the dominant political party in power spilled over to violations of human rights and fundamental liberties and rule of law in the nation with the guardian of these values namely the judiciary severely damaged and still not recovered.

There is something most unsettling over the conduct of the police on the investigations of the police reports lodged and the selectivism applied in the actions taken thus far.

As I mentioned in my earlier letter addressed to you on March 24, 2008 regarding the continued detention of the five Hindraf leaders under the ISA detention without trial offend the first principle of the rule of law.

I urge you to without delay take appropriate action to release Raja Petra and Teresa Kok from detention. I also urge you to withdraw the three show cause notices served on the newspapers

I am copying this letter to the Chairperson of the UN Human Rights Council, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and the Secretary General of the Commonwealth in which bodies Malaysia is much involved. It is to bring to their attention the fragility of the rule of law in Malaysia and how it is deteriorating. With these developments Malaysia’s role in these bodies is tenuous. I hope Malaysia is called upon to account for the violation of the rule of law, human rights and democratic values before these bodies. The Malaysian government must be ashamed of itself. The developments must be a source of embarrassment to YB Dato Seri Mohd Shafie Aqbal who only in August was elected Chair of the EXCO of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association.

Yours sincerely,
Dato’ Param Cumaraswamy
(former UN Special Rapporteur on the Independence of Judges &amp; Lawyers)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Letter to the Minister for Internal Security and Home Affairs – YB Datuk Syed Hamid Albar</p>
<p>September 15, 2008</p>
<p>YB Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar<br />
Kementerian Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, Malaysia<br />
Blok D2, Parcel D<br />
Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Persekutuan<br />
62546 Putrajaya</p>
<p>YB Datuk Seri,</p>
<p>Administrative detentions without trial of:<br />
Raja Petra Kamaruddin – blogger<br />
Tan Hoon Cheng – journalist<br />
Teresa Kok – Member of Parliament and State Legislative Councilor</p>
<p>The arrests and detentions without trial and the circumstances leading to the same of the abovenamed three under the Internal Security Act 1960 (ISA) on Sept. 12, 2008 are a source of grave concern for the rule of law and democratic values in Malaysia. All three are reported to have been detained under Section 73 (1) of the Act for purposes for police inquiry on grounds that there were reasonable cause to believe that they were acting in a manner prejudicial to the security of Malaysia. Under the same Act they can be detained for 60 days thereafter you as Minister could sign a detention order for further detention up to 2 years which could further be renewed. All such detentions are without trial and without any form of judicial supervision.</p>
<p>A further cause for concern is over the show cause letters sent to three newspapers by your Ministry to explain within one week for manipulation of sensitive issues, reporting a racially sensitive statement made by a politician belonging to the dominant political party currently in control of the government and for reporting that the present Inspector General of Police had been &#8220;paralysed&#8221; after undergoing a bypass surgery. Those notices were served on the newspapers under the Printing Presses and Publication Act 1984, a legislation for annual licensing of newspapers by the Executive.</p>
<p>Obviously if their explanations are not found satisfactory by you the annual licenses issued for these newspapers would be revoked. The decision to revoke is final and under the Act cannot be questioned &#8220;by any court or any ground whatsoever&#8221;. Service of such notices leaves a chilling effect on freedom of the press.</p>
<p>With regard to the arrests and detentions in the case of Raja Petra Kamaruddin, there are two charges for sedition and criminal defamation pending against him for the very news items posted in his blog. Without awaiting the trials on these charges detaining him administratively would be seen as interfering into the due process of the court and prejudging the criminal charges and could amount to contempt of court. Such detention could also be seen as preventing him from adequately preparing his defences to the two criminal charges.</p>
<p>In the case of journalist, Tan Hoon Cheng, though it is a relieve that she has since been released after 18 hours of detention yet to subject her to such arrest and detention under the ISA for having recorded and reported accurately in the newspaper what is now alleged to be sensitive is beyond belief. What is of serious concern was the person who uttered the alleged sensitive remark, Datuk Ahmad Ismail, is currently under investigation for sedition. To date, it is reported that the police had not completed their investigations. Yet how in the interim the journalist who reported could be a threat to the security of the State is most puzzling. How did the police come to believe that she could be a threat to State security when the investigations were incomplete? Your clarification at your press conference on Sept. 13 that she was detained partly because of &#8220;alleged threats on her personal safety&#8221; is untenable. A country where the government has been resisting legislation to provide whistle blowers protection could resort to arbitrary detention under such a draconian legislation to provide such protection is shocking indeed.</p>
<p>Why the journalist who merely recorded and reported the statement was subjected to such detention when the person who uttered the statement is still not charged under the Sedition Act is yet to be explained. Your contention is that Datuk Ahmad has been suspended for three years from his political party meant that action has been taken against him. This is most unsatisfactory. The suspension from his political party was an internal party procedure. No action as yet has been taken against Datuk Ahmad by the State for an offence against the State. In any event the fact that UMNO (the political party) suspended him must necessarily mean that what she reported was true and correct.</p>
<p>In the case of Member of Parliament, Teresa Kok’s detention, you were reported to have said in the press conference that &#8220;She started a very sensitive issue with the question of the ‘azan’ and it should be stopped&#8221;. She vehemently denied these allegations from the beginning and from media reports of various persons including the mosques concerned there appears abundance of evidence to support her denial. Yet todate no action seems to have been taken against the former Chief Minister of the State of Selangor, Khir Toyo, who lost his seat and his government in the March 8, general elections. It was he who made the allegations against her which were reported in a vernacular newspaper. Should he not be investigated for the offence of false news under Section 8(A) of the Printing Presses and Publications Act 1984 if not detained under the ISA?</p>
<p>The newspaper which originally published the news too may have committed the same offence. It is learnt that a police report has been lodged against Khir Toyo. What is the state of the investigations? Why detain Teresa Kok in the interim?</p>
<p>These latest developments are reminiscent of what happened in Malaysia in 1987 when 106 were detained under this draconian legislation and four newspapers banned. Those detentions led in the following year to the government’s assault on the independent judiciary. It is also reminiscent of how internal dissensions within the dominant political party in power spilled over to violations of human rights and fundamental liberties and rule of law in the nation with the guardian of these values namely the judiciary severely damaged and still not recovered.</p>
<p>There is something most unsettling over the conduct of the police on the investigations of the police reports lodged and the selectivism applied in the actions taken thus far.</p>
<p>As I mentioned in my earlier letter addressed to you on March 24, 2008 regarding the continued detention of the five Hindraf leaders under the ISA detention without trial offend the first principle of the rule of law.</p>
<p>I urge you to without delay take appropriate action to release Raja Petra and Teresa Kok from detention. I also urge you to withdraw the three show cause notices served on the newspapers</p>
<p>I am copying this letter to the Chairperson of the UN Human Rights Council, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and the Secretary General of the Commonwealth in which bodies Malaysia is much involved. It is to bring to their attention the fragility of the rule of law in Malaysia and how it is deteriorating. With these developments Malaysia’s role in these bodies is tenuous. I hope Malaysia is called upon to account for the violation of the rule of law, human rights and democratic values before these bodies. The Malaysian government must be ashamed of itself. The developments must be a source of embarrassment to YB Dato Seri Mohd Shafie Aqbal who only in August was elected Chair of the EXCO of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely,<br />
Dato’ Param Cumaraswamy<br />
(former UN Special Rapporteur on the Independence of Judges &amp; Lawyers)</p>
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		<title>By: Bobster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Voters,

Open your eyes and see how many MCA/Gerakan fellows will walk the talk this time round.

A test for all of them in order for you to decide where to throw your votes in the coming days. 

A test that will help you determine Good Trees and Bad Trees. Time to chop off Bad Trees and start planting Good Trees for this nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Voters,</p>
<p>Open your eyes and see how many MCA/Gerakan fellows will walk the talk this time round.</p>
<p>A test for all of them in order for you to decide where to throw your votes in the coming days. </p>
<p>A test that will help you determine Good Trees and Bad Trees. Time to chop off Bad Trees and start planting Good Trees for this nation.</p>
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		<title>By: La Pax</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Pax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ex-selangor chief minister’s english are poor,  cannot read english properly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ex-selangor chief minister’s english are poor,  cannot read english properly</p>
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		<title>By: Bobster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those blind followers yes-men self-proclaimed defender of own race who rob, snatch, squander and rape the nation into oblivion,
please STOP using Race and Religion as an excuse for your own propagandas. 

The rakyat have enough nonsense from you bunch of robbers and theifs. We want to see this nation progress into first class nation where all can sit at the same level as we develop this country to compete against the world. This nation has no place for robbers and thiefs like you B-End.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those blind followers yes-men self-proclaimed defender of own race who rob, snatch, squander and rape the nation into oblivion,<br />
please STOP using Race and Religion as an excuse for your own propagandas. </p>
<p>The rakyat have enough nonsense from you bunch of robbers and theifs. We want to see this nation progress into first class nation where all can sit at the same level as we develop this country to compete against the world. This nation has no place for robbers and thiefs like you B-End.</p>
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		<title>By: cheng on</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheng on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar situation for Turkish language, they were using Arab script, then change to Roman script, (maybe for similar reasons)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar situation for Turkish language, they were using Arab script, then change to Roman script, (maybe for similar reasons)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must praise YB Kit for inaugurating this Parliamentary Caucus. 

For all we know not many MPs are aware of the meaning of “caucus” much less its uses and function as a mechanism to give more vivid expression to the concept of Parliamentary supremacy and separation of powers.

Well, such a caucus drawing on non partisan participation of MPs welded together via a common important agenda of national interest and implications like the use of ISA should specially send an invitation via phone, fax, email, desptach to Home Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar. 

Great, Datuk Zaid Ibrahim attends but that is preaching the evils if ISA to the converted who has already resigned as minister over its abuse.

The Caucus should struggle for Hamid’s soul – or at least his understanding that :

1.	The ISA is best sent to dustbin of legislative history;

2.	And if allowed to remain, should be invoked in limited against against only terrorists and subversives bent on creating chaos, violence and public disorder;

3.	That before ISA invoked, police ought to have made investigations and the determination that chaos, violence and public disorder are reasonably likely occur if preventive detention of those brewing it is not otherwise ordered;

4.         that investigations referred to in 3. ought to have been launched  prior to ISA invocation – and not the other way around, after ISA is invoked curbing a citizen’s liberty to facilitate  investigations of 60 days whether or not there will be a reasonable cause to suspect and fear public disorder and the one detained is reponsible for that – and to release the detainee if investigations show no culpability as in reporter Tan’s case. 

Investigations should be conducted before ISA in justification of its invocation – rather than ISA being used to facilitate investigation, which is putting the cart before the horse. 

Hamid as lawyer should understand. He should be invited so that Lawyer Zaid could discuss and refresh his understanding of how the legal process should proceed.Otherwise Hamid still thinks ISA is for the detainee&#039;s protection against harm from those bent on creating public disorder, the real target of ISA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must praise YB Kit for inaugurating this Parliamentary Caucus. </p>
<p>For all we know not many MPs are aware of the meaning of “caucus” much less its uses and function as a mechanism to give more vivid expression to the concept of Parliamentary supremacy and separation of powers.</p>
<p>Well, such a caucus drawing on non partisan participation of MPs welded together via a common important agenda of national interest and implications like the use of ISA should specially send an invitation via phone, fax, email, desptach to Home Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar. </p>
<p>Great, Datuk Zaid Ibrahim attends but that is preaching the evils if ISA to the converted who has already resigned as minister over its abuse.</p>
<p>The Caucus should struggle for Hamid’s soul – or at least his understanding that :</p>
<p>1.	The ISA is best sent to dustbin of legislative history;</p>
<p>2.	And if allowed to remain, should be invoked in limited against against only terrorists and subversives bent on creating chaos, violence and public disorder;</p>
<p>3.	That before ISA invoked, police ought to have made investigations and the determination that chaos, violence and public disorder are reasonably likely occur if preventive detention of those brewing it is not otherwise ordered;</p>
<p>4.         that investigations referred to in 3. ought to have been launched  prior to ISA invocation – and not the other way around, after ISA is invoked curbing a citizen’s liberty to facilitate  investigations of 60 days whether or not there will be a reasonable cause to suspect and fear public disorder and the one detained is reponsible for that – and to release the detainee if investigations show no culpability as in reporter Tan’s case. </p>
<p>Investigations should be conducted before ISA in justification of its invocation – rather than ISA being used to facilitate investigation, which is putting the cart before the horse. </p>
<p>Hamid as lawyer should understand. He should be invited so that Lawyer Zaid could discuss and refresh his understanding of how the legal process should proceed.Otherwise Hamid still thinks ISA is for the detainee&#8217;s protection against harm from those bent on creating public disorder, the real target of ISA.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobster</dc:creator>
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		<description>Irrespective of race and religion, Datuk Zaid is a fine example of Towering Malaysians. Malaysians who dare to stand above the cronies for the sake of the nation and future generation. 

Not like those blind followers yes-men self-proclaimed defender of own race who rob, snatch, squander and rape the nation into oblivion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrespective of race and religion, Datuk Zaid is a fine example of Towering Malaysians. Malaysians who dare to stand above the cronies for the sake of the nation and future generation. </p>
<p>Not like those blind followers yes-men self-proclaimed defender of own race who rob, snatch, squander and rape the nation into oblivion.</p>
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		<title>By: cheng on</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheng on</dc:creator>
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		<description>Correct me if I am wrong on Jawi, Jawi is a form of alphabet use to write BM before using Roman alphabet, it come from Jawa, where Jawanese borrow it from the Arab earlier to write Jawanese languages (more than 1 type). So it actually originate from the Arab.
What we are having here, is not Arabic, but just using the Jawi (or Arabic) script to write BM.
BM was romanized for a few reasons, for convenience of British (also the western ppl, like Dutch), for more accuracy on vowel sound for BM (Arab scrpit have only 3 basic vowels--not enough for BM), also easier for local Malay to learn English.
Can others give more reasons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I am wrong on Jawi, Jawi is a form of alphabet use to write BM before using Roman alphabet, it come from Jawa, where Jawanese borrow it from the Arab earlier to write Jawanese languages (more than 1 type). So it actually originate from the Arab.<br />
What we are having here, is not Arabic, but just using the Jawi (or Arabic) script to write BM.<br />
BM was romanized for a few reasons, for convenience of British (also the western ppl, like Dutch), for more accuracy on vowel sound for BM (Arab scrpit have only 3 basic vowels&#8211;not enough for BM), also easier for local Malay to learn English.<br />
Can others give more reasons?</p>
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