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		<title>By: WTF!! Subjects can&#8217;t revert back &#124; Tommy Anime Zone</title>
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		<title>By: matnook</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not an expert in English Language or Science. I was a lecturer with one of the prominent University in Malaysia. I had my basic education in Sekolah Melayu , up to Standard six. Then my father force switched me to Special Malay Class popularly known as SMC!, which mean I was relegated to standards four of English school then.  I was hibernating for two years in SMC1 and SMC2 before I was absorbed into the main stream English School.. I received my B.SC, Master and Ph.D from England in engineering. I never had a proper education in Science or Mathematics being in  a school deep  in the upstream. The only English teacher I had was a mad Japanese Bastard ; a relic from Second World War.; by the name of Cardoza. He is very fat and tall; an expert in Sumo wrestling and boxing.
In my personal opinion, English is not absolutely necessary to UNDERSTAND OR TO PURSUE science or mathematics. The language and logic of science and mathematic are universal. The subject can be deciphered easily; however with some efforts and hard works. It is akin to a single legged man riding a bicycle. Of course it can move. However in a very stiff environment and super speed pace, a candidate without high proficiency in English will lose out. At tertiary level and post graduate schools, without good command of at least one of an international  languages; like English, German, Mandarin, Arabic, Spanish it will be very serious defect.
To embark into serious research in Science and Mathematics, a researcher needs to communicate based on a common lingo. In this era, one of the universal vocabulary being used is English, as opposed in the 12th century, maybe Arabic was the language of knowledge. It is futile to debate if English is an essential language to master or not.The next question is English necessary to study Science and Mathematics. at what level of study; primary, secondary, tertiary, research.?Why China, Japan, Russia, France, Germany, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Austria, Brazil, Chile, and Cuba, progressed in science and mathematics without adopting English as a medium of instruction?
English is an essential tool of COMMUNICATION in Science and Commerce. If we can agree on this point alone we can proceed with the discussion. Otherwise, I have to rest my case at this juncture. If the language is a necessary tool, then Malaysians have to acquire the needed level of proficiency. 
In mathematics a researcher need to master basic mathematical vocabulary at university level of around 5,000 words  and the science vocabulary of around 20,0000 words. Out of this perhaps 10,000 words are essential to a specific specialist level. Medicine perhaps has about 60,000 to 100,000 basic words. It is quite an effort to grasp them, without a good foundation in English. Realistically,it is difficult to excel in medicine without good command of English. This is essentially what is happening in the local hospitals. There exist a vast disparity in terms of competency in harmonizing into the current hospital system between students graduated from English medium education, compared to those graduates from Indonesia, Russian, Japan and Chinese universities. In business world, non English speaking graduates, are given the last consideration in job selection, and post allocation.
The basic issue  here is not the use of English in Science and Mathematics but the concern on the mediocre performance of Malay students in English, science and mathematics subject. Consequently they are deprived of opportunities to proceed to tertiary education. To me it appears that we are beating the wrong camel to move forward. If the poor performance is the issue, where have we gone astray? The minister of Education was very badly advice by the Government administrator, the conversion from Malay to English, was hastily implemented. Not much thought was given to the implementation of the program. The politicians were excited to beat  drum of political drama and playing shadow screen pantomime, the Government administrators are busy trying to carve  a name to themselves, The educationist I believe are too week to think of anything beneficial for the 1 million students. The program was so ill conceived, very poorly programmed and implemented. The administrators, PTD involved, Ketua Pengarah Pelajaran should be dismissed for making such a colossal mistake and ill advising the Government.
There was complete chaos. which any administrators should have taken into consideration. There was no preparation in the recruitment of suitable teachers competence in English for rural schools in particular, the readiness and availability of teaching materials for the teachers to teach in English were not coordinated properly, textbooks were no available on time, there were no reading materials in English some  remote schools,  teachers were not given proper guidance to teach the subjects in English. Some schools in desperation resorted to using Islamic Religious teachers to teach the subjects. Parents were in the state of panic, as the related examinations were approaching and the situations were uncertain. Now another evolution is about to take place. What are all these?. Are they going to repeat the same calamity again ?
This policy of not encouraging the Malays to be proficient in English language, is disastrous in the long run. Unlike the Chinese an Indian Students; The Malay students are not commanding even the Malay language it self. In the final analysis, the Malay students are not competent in any second language at all for that mater they have not commanded any languages at all. This is shocking. The Chinese students are poised in the best position; they have their mother tongue, Malay, English, many command Mandarin. The Indians generally have good  command of English, their mother tongue (Tamil, Telegu,  Panjabi, Hindi, or Urdu) , and  Malay Language</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not an expert in English Language or Science. I was a lecturer with one of the prominent University in Malaysia. I had my basic education in Sekolah Melayu , up to Standard six. Then my father force switched me to Special Malay Class popularly known as SMC!, which mean I was relegated to standards four of English school then.  I was hibernating for two years in SMC1 and SMC2 before I was absorbed into the main stream English School.. I received my B.SC, Master and Ph.D from England in engineering. I never had a proper education in Science or Mathematics being in  a school deep  in the upstream. The only English teacher I had was a mad Japanese Bastard ; a relic from Second World War.; by the name of Cardoza. He is very fat and tall; an expert in Sumo wrestling and boxing.<br />
In my personal opinion, English is not absolutely necessary to UNDERSTAND OR TO PURSUE science or mathematics. The language and logic of science and mathematic are universal. The subject can be deciphered easily; however with some efforts and hard works. It is akin to a single legged man riding a bicycle. Of course it can move. However in a very stiff environment and super speed pace, a candidate without high proficiency in English will lose out. At tertiary level and post graduate schools, without good command of at least one of an international  languages; like English, German, Mandarin, Arabic, Spanish it will be very serious defect.<br />
To embark into serious research in Science and Mathematics, a researcher needs to communicate based on a common lingo. In this era, one of the universal vocabulary being used is English, as opposed in the 12th century, maybe Arabic was the language of knowledge. It is futile to debate if English is an essential language to master or not.The next question is English necessary to study Science and Mathematics. at what level of study; primary, secondary, tertiary, research.?Why China, Japan, Russia, France, Germany, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Austria, Brazil, Chile, and Cuba, progressed in science and mathematics without adopting English as a medium of instruction?<br />
English is an essential tool of COMMUNICATION in Science and Commerce. If we can agree on this point alone we can proceed with the discussion. Otherwise, I have to rest my case at this juncture. If the language is a necessary tool, then Malaysians have to acquire the needed level of proficiency.<br />
In mathematics a researcher need to master basic mathematical vocabulary at university level of around 5,000 words  and the science vocabulary of around 20,0000 words. Out of this perhaps 10,000 words are essential to a specific specialist level. Medicine perhaps has about 60,000 to 100,000 basic words. It is quite an effort to grasp them, without a good foundation in English. Realistically,it is difficult to excel in medicine without good command of English. This is essentially what is happening in the local hospitals. There exist a vast disparity in terms of competency in harmonizing into the current hospital system between students graduated from English medium education, compared to those graduates from Indonesia, Russian, Japan and Chinese universities. In business world, non English speaking graduates, are given the last consideration in job selection, and post allocation.<br />
The basic issue  here is not the use of English in Science and Mathematics but the concern on the mediocre performance of Malay students in English, science and mathematics subject. Consequently they are deprived of opportunities to proceed to tertiary education. To me it appears that we are beating the wrong camel to move forward. If the poor performance is the issue, where have we gone astray? The minister of Education was very badly advice by the Government administrator, the conversion from Malay to English, was hastily implemented. Not much thought was given to the implementation of the program. The politicians were excited to beat  drum of political drama and playing shadow screen pantomime, the Government administrators are busy trying to carve  a name to themselves, The educationist I believe are too week to think of anything beneficial for the 1 million students. The program was so ill conceived, very poorly programmed and implemented. The administrators, PTD involved, Ketua Pengarah Pelajaran should be dismissed for making such a colossal mistake and ill advising the Government.<br />
There was complete chaos. which any administrators should have taken into consideration. There was no preparation in the recruitment of suitable teachers competence in English for rural schools in particular, the readiness and availability of teaching materials for the teachers to teach in English were not coordinated properly, textbooks were no available on time, there were no reading materials in English some  remote schools,  teachers were not given proper guidance to teach the subjects in English. Some schools in desperation resorted to using Islamic Religious teachers to teach the subjects. Parents were in the state of panic, as the related examinations were approaching and the situations were uncertain. Now another evolution is about to take place. What are all these?. Are they going to repeat the same calamity again ?<br />
This policy of not encouraging the Malays to be proficient in English language, is disastrous in the long run. Unlike the Chinese an Indian Students; The Malay students are not commanding even the Malay language it self. In the final analysis, the Malay students are not competent in any second language at all for that mater they have not commanded any languages at all. This is shocking. The Chinese students are poised in the best position; they have their mother tongue, Malay, English, many command Mandarin. The Indians generally have good  command of English, their mother tongue (Tamil, Telegu,  Panjabi, Hindi, or Urdu) , and  Malay Language</p>
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		<title>By: Malaysia For ALL Malaysians</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malaysia For ALL Malaysians</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even before we think about teaching Science, English and Maths in English or Bahasa Malaysia we should revisit our Education policies again. 

The double standards practiced by the Government in helping certain people to go into Universities via the Matriculation system as if they were handicap and needed spoon feeding should be revisited.  Even if they needed such attention there is always a way of ensuring that only the deserving will be granted a place in the University.  NO PAIN NO GAIN but for some all the way in their life they need crutches. This approach would only make them lazier but the irony is that they could become your bosses no matter what.

The result a total deterioration of the country on the whole ….. It had started during TDM government, accelerated by him and his policies for political reasons and God knows when/where it will end!   My prediction possibly when 2020 comes along we wont be a developed country, no not a developing country but and under developed country!!!,   If nothing is done to address this issue. We have to start somewhere and I think where more befitting then in the Education Department.  For a change our Kris waving Education Minister should think seriously of his current portfolio or opt to take over from our Minister of Home Affairs who I personally think should be sent to the cheapest government run old folks home where he can accelerate his eccentricity and apply the ISA on himself. 

So the down line is instead of confusing the poor students of all races by frequently changing the mode of education to suit certain sect the Government should identify ways of upgrading the education system for quality not quantity (theoretically), justices to all and not for interest of a certain race and most of all for starters to compete with our neighboring country (Singapore) who are far more advance then us in knowledge and skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even before we think about teaching Science, English and Maths in English or Bahasa Malaysia we should revisit our Education policies again. </p>
<p>The double standards practiced by the Government in helping certain people to go into Universities via the Matriculation system as if they were handicap and needed spoon feeding should be revisited.  Even if they needed such attention there is always a way of ensuring that only the deserving will be granted a place in the University.  NO PAIN NO GAIN but for some all the way in their life they need crutches. This approach would only make them lazier but the irony is that they could become your bosses no matter what.</p>
<p>The result a total deterioration of the country on the whole ….. It had started during TDM government, accelerated by him and his policies for political reasons and God knows when/where it will end!   My prediction possibly when 2020 comes along we wont be a developed country, no not a developing country but and under developed country!!!,   If nothing is done to address this issue. We have to start somewhere and I think where more befitting then in the Education Department.  For a change our Kris waving Education Minister should think seriously of his current portfolio or opt to take over from our Minister of Home Affairs who I personally think should be sent to the cheapest government run old folks home where he can accelerate his eccentricity and apply the ISA on himself. </p>
<p>So the down line is instead of confusing the poor students of all races by frequently changing the mode of education to suit certain sect the Government should identify ways of upgrading the education system for quality not quantity (theoretically), justices to all and not for interest of a certain race and most of all for starters to compete with our neighboring country (Singapore) who are far more advance then us in knowledge and skill.</p>
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		<title>By: onthestreets</title>
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		<dc:creator>onthestreets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 4 kids - 3 in primary school, 1 in secondary. It makes no difference to them if they were to learn science &amp; maths in either Bahasa or English. They can are good at both languages, regardless. So, you can be sure that I put forth my opinion without any bias.

In the first place, have we ever stopped to analyze the real issues that lead to poor command of English amongst our children? How do you expect to cure high fever by taking aspirins or panadols? If we leave it 100% to the politicians, this is what we get. The wrong prescription to our ailments.

For the state we’re currently in, I put the blame squarely on Dr. Mahathir’s shoulders:

1) For giving us the wrong prescription,
2) For implementing the policy in haste,
3) For not listening and taking in advice from professionals on both sides, and 
4) For conducting a failed experiment on our children.

Read onthestreets.wordpress.com if you&#039;re interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 4 kids &#8211; 3 in primary school, 1 in secondary. It makes no difference to them if they were to learn science &amp; maths in either Bahasa or English. They can are good at both languages, regardless. So, you can be sure that I put forth my opinion without any bias.</p>
<p>In the first place, have we ever stopped to analyze the real issues that lead to poor command of English amongst our children? How do you expect to cure high fever by taking aspirins or panadols? If we leave it 100% to the politicians, this is what we get. The wrong prescription to our ailments.</p>
<p>For the state we’re currently in, I put the blame squarely on Dr. Mahathir’s shoulders:</p>
<p>1) For giving us the wrong prescription,<br />
2) For implementing the policy in haste,<br />
3) For not listening and taking in advice from professionals on both sides, and<br />
4) For conducting a failed experiment on our children.</p>
<p>Read onthestreets.wordpress.com if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Malar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was told that the government has quietly printed Year 1 maths and science text books in BM.  Not too sure how far it is true.  The chinese and indians need not worry because these 2 races have always been good in bi-lingual subjects or even more.  When the medium was changed from english to malay in the 70&#039;s we managed to excel and when in 2003 maths and science were taught in english we also had no problem.  Learning extra languages has never been a problem for us.  I think the malays are willing to learn maths and science in english but there is a group who gives negative views and for their own selfish gains, they are trying to blame the rural folks and children for the set back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told that the government has quietly printed Year 1 maths and science text books in BM.  Not too sure how far it is true.  The chinese and indians need not worry because these 2 races have always been good in bi-lingual subjects or even more.  When the medium was changed from english to malay in the 70&#8242;s we managed to excel and when in 2003 maths and science were taught in english we also had no problem.  Learning extra languages has never been a problem for us.  I think the malays are willing to learn maths and science in english but there is a group who gives negative views and for their own selfish gains, they are trying to blame the rural folks and children for the set back.</p>
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		<title>By: lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes sir the MOE is listening but first a little introduction on how to compare and then draw conclusion

When you compare , the parameters must be established
essentially you can only compare an apple with another apple

simply it means you cannot get a good understanding in comparing between an apple and a coconut.

more intrinsically, nations have cultures and value system which differs and are unique.

The nations mentioned have a commonality and that there have a relatively more mono race population than bolihland and we differs from them strongly .
Whereas bolihland tends to be relatively more multi cultural with respect to her population. It is further made more complex by the composition and distribution of race throughout the nation in geographical sense.

On the other hand the history of education and their emphasis of importance and development of the mention nation was born earlier that bolihland.

But if you compare those nations with respect of their strengths and weakness it is a different story all by it self.
lets see...how
Bolihlands history is unique too as we have been ruled by a nation which possess strong  administrative capabilities in governing nations, in which the world has either directly or indirectly benefited and ....that.. is the rule of law and of english laws.

It is a known fact that their language , sometimes referred as queens language has evolved to become the &quot;international language&quot; literally it means almost everyone speaks and uses it to comminicate and express themselves.
International ..? why ..because the world has become smaller and reachable , it is referred as globalisation phenomena brought about by the marvel of the computers and internet and handphones.
Do you use one too?


It would a long lesson ...so in a nutshell think about this paraphrase by a well known chinese who speak tamil,english, malay, hakka , hokkien , cantonese, and others

he said &quot;NO MAN IS AN ISLAND&quot; and his nation is one of the most respected nation of todays.

So before you become a steadfast believer of unilanguage idiot nation you might as well lock yourself up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes sir the MOE is listening but first a little introduction on how to compare and then draw conclusion</p>
<p>When you compare , the parameters must be established<br />
essentially you can only compare an apple with another apple</p>
<p>simply it means you cannot get a good understanding in comparing between an apple and a coconut.</p>
<p>more intrinsically, nations have cultures and value system which differs and are unique.</p>
<p>The nations mentioned have a commonality and that there have a relatively more mono race population than bolihland and we differs from them strongly .<br />
Whereas bolihland tends to be relatively more multi cultural with respect to her population. It is further made more complex by the composition and distribution of race throughout the nation in geographical sense.</p>
<p>On the other hand the history of education and their emphasis of importance and development of the mention nation was born earlier that bolihland.</p>
<p>But if you compare those nations with respect of their strengths and weakness it is a different story all by it self.<br />
lets see&#8230;how<br />
Bolihlands history is unique too as we have been ruled by a nation which possess strong  administrative capabilities in governing nations, in which the world has either directly or indirectly benefited and &#8230;.that.. is the rule of law and of english laws.</p>
<p>It is a known fact that their language , sometimes referred as queens language has evolved to become the &#8220;international language&#8221; literally it means almost everyone speaks and uses it to comminicate and express themselves.<br />
International ..? why ..because the world has become smaller and reachable , it is referred as globalisation phenomena brought about by the marvel of the computers and internet and handphones.<br />
Do you use one too?</p>
<p>It would a long lesson &#8230;so in a nutshell think about this paraphrase by a well known chinese who speak tamil,english, malay, hakka , hokkien , cantonese, and others</p>
<p>he said &#8220;NO MAN IS AN ISLAND&#8221; and his nation is one of the most respected nation of todays.</p>
<p>So before you become a steadfast believer of unilanguage idiot nation you might as well lock yourself up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramesh Laxman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramesh Laxman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please go back and teach science and maths in Bahsa Malaysia. In Korea it is thought in Korean and in Japan it done  in Japanese.In China it is done in chinese. What is wrong with those countries. They are all doing better than us. 

Language is only a tool. We have to sharpen it and use it to our advantage.

I hope the Minister of Education is listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please go back and teach science and maths in Bahsa Malaysia. In Korea it is thought in Korean and in Japan it done  in Japanese.In China it is done in chinese. What is wrong with those countries. They are all doing better than us. </p>
<p>Language is only a tool. We have to sharpen it and use it to our advantage.</p>
<p>I hope the Minister of Education is listening.</p>
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		<title>By: NewDAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewDAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should also stop the teaching on Science and Maths in Mandarin as it makes our chinese students become unemployable....

those chinese fanatics only care about themselves and they couldn&#039;t care about your children progress in english and whether your children are employable or not......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should also stop the teaching on Science and Maths in Mandarin as it makes our chinese students become unemployable&#8230;.</p>
<p>those chinese fanatics only care about themselves and they couldn&#8217;t care about your children progress in english and whether your children are employable or not&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: passerby</title>
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		<dc:creator>passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of bahasa melayu is part of the grand scheme of social engineering to make all malays into scientists, technocrats, professors, teachers to replace all non-malays.  This was a short-sighted and brainless policy and to ensure success of this policy, they purposely reduce the standard to make it very easy for them to pass the exam.  

As a result, we now see all schools and universities are stuffed with these under qualified teachers, lecturers and professors who are struggling to teach something that they are not qualified to teach.   

To be fair, not all chinese or indians are smart and they too have their fair share of idiots.  Definitely I don&#039;t want them to be a teacher to teach our children.  No one race can be so dynamic to be self-sufficient in every field and it stupid to deny those who are smart from other races.

We must restore meritocracy and revamp the whole education system.  We also have to bring back the teaching of english, since science and technologies are from the west.  Malaysia is so far backward and have no choice but to study english to stay abreast with other advance countries.   

We still have a good pool of retired teachers and why not recruit them to start teaching a new generation of students to be the future teachers to replace all those unqualified ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of bahasa melayu is part of the grand scheme of social engineering to make all malays into scientists, technocrats, professors, teachers to replace all non-malays.  This was a short-sighted and brainless policy and to ensure success of this policy, they purposely reduce the standard to make it very easy for them to pass the exam.  </p>
<p>As a result, we now see all schools and universities are stuffed with these under qualified teachers, lecturers and professors who are struggling to teach something that they are not qualified to teach.   </p>
<p>To be fair, not all chinese or indians are smart and they too have their fair share of idiots.  Definitely I don&#8217;t want them to be a teacher to teach our children.  No one race can be so dynamic to be self-sufficient in every field and it stupid to deny those who are smart from other races.</p>
<p>We must restore meritocracy and revamp the whole education system.  We also have to bring back the teaching of english, since science and technologies are from the west.  Malaysia is so far backward and have no choice but to study english to stay abreast with other advance countries.   </p>
<p>We still have a good pool of retired teachers and why not recruit them to start teaching a new generation of students to be the future teachers to replace all those unqualified ones.</p>
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		<title>By: waterfrontcoolie</title>
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		<dc:creator>waterfrontcoolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have indicated, a mind already etched with dogma at a tender age will find difficulty to change. A Bumi-friend with average result children is happy that his children have got E.I and I.S.I [ interactive social intelligence ] and they are all doing much better those those who had flying colours in SPM. This came about because of his &#039;normal&#039; life style allowing his children to learn to be street smart. In their desire to gather political mileage. examinations are re-engineered to make the average Malaysian parents happy that their children have got so many As which could not be translated into useful indicators when competing in the market place! They react like parrots in life! hence all the complaints by the employers! 
      The school system does not make the students think; they can omly garbage-in and garbage-out! As indicated elsewhere it is not the media of instruction. It is the mind set which is being moulded like cookies from the day the child begin to utter  the sound!! There is no way,the situation can be changed unless this mind set of the majority of the Malaysians is CHANGED!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have indicated, a mind already etched with dogma at a tender age will find difficulty to change. A Bumi-friend with average result children is happy that his children have got E.I and I.S.I [ interactive social intelligence ] and they are all doing much better those those who had flying colours in SPM. This came about because of his &#8216;normal&#8217; life style allowing his children to learn to be street smart. In their desire to gather political mileage. examinations are re-engineered to make the average Malaysian parents happy that their children have got so many As which could not be translated into useful indicators when competing in the market place! They react like parrots in life! hence all the complaints by the employers!<br />
      The school system does not make the students think; they can omly garbage-in and garbage-out! As indicated elsewhere it is not the media of instruction. It is the mind set which is being moulded like cookies from the day the child begin to utter  the sound!! There is no way,the situation can be changed unless this mind set of the majority of the Malaysians is CHANGED!!!</p>
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		<title>By: lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tis is enteresting, i speak and write english , i passed the english 199
the 1119 and 1999 is tough lah.

so Instead i go pass my self the 199....how am i doing?

Great it is beetter than singlish ..youthink so..thanks a lots

Just because the politicians who also wants to play headmaster we have to play ball with him and what the heck he only play part time at every 4 or 5 years.

Denial , denial and denial , these people are very predictable and do not have many reasons to defy use of the english language in our schools education.

Just dont ever forget chinese among many things brought the idea of affordable education into bolihland and other started imitating and became jealous.

The british also have their version too as in the parish and churches.

So the others asked the british to help them set up their own.

And then trouble struck, some idiot says we must have commonality and started to force changes in the schooling system.

now they are still forcing the changes, with experiments after experiments but without any hypothesis being set, so they got wrong output and wrong output and they do and redo and repeat the same experiment until today, 
so how bloody more years are needed to complete the experiment.

All ought to be very educated now considering the amount of time and resources being spent. 
Least not is the experience gain, and gained we got and alot of half baked academians being the products of a short changed $$$ system at the expense of the nation future and competitiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tis is enteresting, i speak and write english , i passed the english 199<br />
the 1119 and 1999 is tough lah.</p>
<p>so Instead i go pass my self the 199&#8230;.how am i doing?</p>
<p>Great it is beetter than singlish ..youthink so..thanks a lots</p>
<p>Just because the politicians who also wants to play headmaster we have to play ball with him and what the heck he only play part time at every 4 or 5 years.</p>
<p>Denial , denial and denial , these people are very predictable and do not have many reasons to defy use of the english language in our schools education.</p>
<p>Just dont ever forget chinese among many things brought the idea of affordable education into bolihland and other started imitating and became jealous.</p>
<p>The british also have their version too as in the parish and churches.</p>
<p>So the others asked the british to help them set up their own.</p>
<p>And then trouble struck, some idiot says we must have commonality and started to force changes in the schooling system.</p>
<p>now they are still forcing the changes, with experiments after experiments but without any hypothesis being set, so they got wrong output and wrong output and they do and redo and repeat the same experiment until today,<br />
so how bloody more years are needed to complete the experiment.</p>
<p>All ought to be very educated now considering the amount of time and resources being spent.<br />
Least not is the experience gain, and gained we got and alot of half baked academians being the products of a short changed $$$ system at the expense of the nation future and competitiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the subject is on the standard of English, here is an example
of how English can be used to call someone &quot;stupid&quot;.

http://malaysiawatch4.blogspot.com/2008/09/malaysiakini-shows-how-to-call-someone.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the subject is on the standard of English, here is an example<br />
of how English can be used to call someone &#8220;stupid&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://malaysiawatch4.blogspot.com/2008/09/malaysiakini-shows-how-to-call-someone.html" rel="nofollow">http://malaysiawatch4.blogspot.com/2008/09/malaysiakini-shows-how-to-call-someone.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: tourman53</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/15/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english-2/comment-page-2/#comment-134959</link>
		<dc:creator>tourman53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get back to those day where we can find English, malay , Chinese and same goes with Tamil medium. Those parents can send their childrens to any school they like and can even enjoy with multi racial with multi language .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get back to those day where we can find English, malay , Chinese and same goes with Tamil medium. Those parents can send their childrens to any school they like and can even enjoy with multi racial with multi language .</p>
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		<title>By: Loyal Malaysian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loyal Malaysian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid unless the PR is able to wrest control of the federal government, the policy of teaching science and mathematics in English will be reversed.
In what form will the reversal be undertaken is the only question left to be answered.
The way the policy was implemented was a political decision, this reversal is also a political decision.
The children, the future of our nation shall be the victims.!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid unless the PR is able to wrest control of the federal government, the policy of teaching science and mathematics in English will be reversed.<br />
In what form will the reversal be undertaken is the only question left to be answered.<br />
The way the policy was implemented was a political decision, this reversal is also a political decision.<br />
The children, the future of our nation shall be the victims.!!</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/15/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english-2/comment-page-2/#comment-134923</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder Malaysian &quot;broadband&quot; is so slow--- it is depending on the wireless system developed by the Chinese pendatang 1000 years ago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder Malaysian &#8220;broadband&#8221; is so slow&#8212; it is depending on the wireless system developed by the Chinese pendatang 1000 years ago</p>
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		<title>By: cactus of sarawak</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/15/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english-2/comment-page-2/#comment-134909</link>
		<dc:creator>cactus of sarawak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why they send their children over? Well, so that their children are smarter than the children of the average people in Malaysia under this flip-flop type policies. Who gain?  Well, again the politician. Ever heard of the &quot;Smart Leads the Dumb&quot;. We the rakyat is the losers if we keep on supporting those policies. Want to compare? No need to go that far, no need US, no need Europe. Just go to Singapore and Brunei, look at how their children speak in English. If not par, it will be better than some of the teachers in school or even some of the lecturers in our glorified UNIVERSITIES. For any understand science, I remember a joke about Tokamak given by someone long ago in the campus. It says this, the Russian is very good in twisting the magnetic field chamber, the American is good in twisting the magnetic field and finally come the champion, Malaysia is very good in twisting the fact.

I quote this from some way:(Just for fun)

Three archeologists are sitting and discussing their finding(Show off finding). The American archeologist said that he found a piece of copper wire at a depth of 50 meter behind his house, he concluded that the American already know how to use copper wire 500 years ago. Then the British archeologist said that he found a piece of fishing line at a depth of 50 meter also and jump to the conclusion that the Briton know how to use optical fibre 500 years ago. Finally the Malaysian archeologist paused for a while and gave his side of the story. He said he couldn&#039;t find any artifact even at a depth of 100 meter. This concluded according to him was that Malaysian already know how to use wireless system 1000 years ago. Cheerio..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why they send their children over? Well, so that their children are smarter than the children of the average people in Malaysia under this flip-flop type policies. Who gain?  Well, again the politician. Ever heard of the &#8220;Smart Leads the Dumb&#8221;. We the rakyat is the losers if we keep on supporting those policies. Want to compare? No need to go that far, no need US, no need Europe. Just go to Singapore and Brunei, look at how their children speak in English. If not par, it will be better than some of the teachers in school or even some of the lecturers in our glorified UNIVERSITIES. For any understand science, I remember a joke about Tokamak given by someone long ago in the campus. It says this, the Russian is very good in twisting the magnetic field chamber, the American is good in twisting the magnetic field and finally come the champion, Malaysia is very good in twisting the fact.</p>
<p>I quote this from some way:(Just for fun)</p>
<p>Three archeologists are sitting and discussing their finding(Show off finding). The American archeologist said that he found a piece of copper wire at a depth of 50 meter behind his house, he concluded that the American already know how to use copper wire 500 years ago. Then the British archeologist said that he found a piece of fishing line at a depth of 50 meter also and jump to the conclusion that the Briton know how to use optical fibre 500 years ago. Finally the Malaysian archeologist paused for a while and gave his side of the story. He said he couldn&#8217;t find any artifact even at a depth of 100 meter. This concluded according to him was that Malaysian already know how to use wireless system 1000 years ago. Cheerio..</p>
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		<title>By: mybangsamalaysia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/15/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english-2/comment-page-2/#comment-134887</link>
		<dc:creator>mybangsamalaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear shadow

The term to use is Kulitfication. 

shadow Says: 

Today at 16: 35.11 (4 minutes ago) 
Policy makers of education department listen:
DON’T YOU CHANGE THE PRESENT SYSTEM. WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS CHANGE ALL THOSE TEACHERS CAN’T TEACH THESE SUBJECTS IN ENGLISH. BRING IN BETTER QUALIFIED TEACHERS WHO ARE EXPERT IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE TO TEACH THESE KIDS. MY CHILDREN STUDY IN INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL (KBSR PRIMARY) AND THEY COULD TELL ME WHO ARE THEIR BEST TEACHERS.
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF TEACHERS OUT THERE IN THE MARKET, GO AND HUNT THEM. DON’T LOOK AT THE SKIN COLORS. MALAYSIA WILL ACHIEVE ITS GOAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear shadow</p>
<p>The term to use is Kulitfication. </p>
<p>shadow Says: </p>
<p>Today at 16: 35.11 (4 minutes ago)<br />
Policy makers of education department listen:<br />
DON’T YOU CHANGE THE PRESENT SYSTEM. WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS CHANGE ALL THOSE TEACHERS CAN’T TEACH THESE SUBJECTS IN ENGLISH. BRING IN BETTER QUALIFIED TEACHERS WHO ARE EXPERT IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE TO TEACH THESE KIDS. MY CHILDREN STUDY IN INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL (KBSR PRIMARY) AND THEY COULD TELL ME WHO ARE THEIR BEST TEACHERS.<br />
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF TEACHERS OUT THERE IN THE MARKET, GO AND HUNT THEM. DON’T LOOK AT THE SKIN COLORS. MALAYSIA WILL ACHIEVE ITS GOAL.</p>
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		<title>By: mybangsamalaysia</title>
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		<dc:creator>mybangsamalaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Language is not corelated with success in technology. Look at Japan, German, Russia and in some case China, English is not a factor to be successful in technology and science. 

The problem in Malaysia is admitting non qualified professional in teaching arena. Simple garbage in garbage out methodology. As such, i propose we look into the root of the problem. Revamp the intake policy of teachers and lecturers, seriously re-train all exisiting teachers and lecturers limited within 2 years (if still not up to par, sack them or transfer to other departments that they may be good at), period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Language is not corelated with success in technology. Look at Japan, German, Russia and in some case China, English is not a factor to be successful in technology and science. </p>
<p>The problem in Malaysia is admitting non qualified professional in teaching arena. Simple garbage in garbage out methodology. As such, i propose we look into the root of the problem. Revamp the intake policy of teachers and lecturers, seriously re-train all exisiting teachers and lecturers limited within 2 years (if still not up to par, sack them or transfer to other departments that they may be good at), period.</p>
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		<title>By: waterfrontcoolie</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/15/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english-2/comment-page-2/#comment-134882</link>
		<dc:creator>waterfrontcoolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will no end to all these arguments of what is best for millions of children. Of course, maths and language/s are the fundamental subjects to be mastered for any progress in any medium. The bone of contention seems to be the isue of media. How true this is has not been ascertained by any good and respectable research. Being an ex-teacher teaching such subjects, I would certainly agree that the mind of the child is moulded from a very young age which can handle more &#039;input&#039; then many adults like to think.
I think the mental obstacle to learning &#039;others&#039; languages and ideas could be affected by indoctrination of fearing to know about others
in every respects of life! This etched indoctrination will continue to prevent the brain from accepting any thing new. Hence do not explore! do not ask! Of course after a while, the brain simply refuses to think and the course is opened to following the route of lest resistance! The inability to learn a language or maths is essentially related to this basic issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will no end to all these arguments of what is best for millions of children. Of course, maths and language/s are the fundamental subjects to be mastered for any progress in any medium. The bone of contention seems to be the isue of media. How true this is has not been ascertained by any good and respectable research. Being an ex-teacher teaching such subjects, I would certainly agree that the mind of the child is moulded from a very young age which can handle more &#8216;input&#8217; then many adults like to think.<br />
I think the mental obstacle to learning &#8216;others&#8217; languages and ideas could be affected by indoctrination of fearing to know about others<br />
in every respects of life! This etched indoctrination will continue to prevent the brain from accepting any thing new. Hence do not explore! do not ask! Of course after a while, the brain simply refuses to think and the course is opened to following the route of lest resistance! The inability to learn a language or maths is essentially related to this basic issue.</p>
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		<title>By: shadow</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/15/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english-2/comment-page-2/#comment-134881</link>
		<dc:creator>shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Policy makers of education department listen:
DON&#039;T YOU CHANGE THE PRESENT SYSTEM. WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS CHANGE ALL THOSE TEACHERS CAN&#039;T TEACH THESE SUBJECTS IN ENGLISH. BRING IN BETTER QUALIFIED TEACHERS WHO ARE EXPERT IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE TO TEACH THESE KIDS. MY CHILDREN STUDY IN INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL (KBSR PRIMARY) AND THEY COULD TELL ME WHO ARE THEIR BEST TEACHERS.
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF TEACHERS OUT THERE IN THE MARKET, GO AND HUNT THEM. DON&#039;T LOOK AT THE SKIN COLORS. MALAYSIA WILL ACHIEVE ITS GOAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Policy makers of education department listen:<br />
DON&#8217;T YOU CHANGE THE PRESENT SYSTEM. WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS CHANGE ALL THOSE TEACHERS CAN&#8217;T TEACH THESE SUBJECTS IN ENGLISH. BRING IN BETTER QUALIFIED TEACHERS WHO ARE EXPERT IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE TO TEACH THESE KIDS. MY CHILDREN STUDY IN INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL (KBSR PRIMARY) AND THEY COULD TELL ME WHO ARE THEIR BEST TEACHERS.<br />
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF TEACHERS OUT THERE IN THE MARKET, GO AND HUNT THEM. DON&#8217;T LOOK AT THE SKIN COLORS. MALAYSIA WILL ACHIEVE ITS GOAL.</p>
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