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		<title>By: onetruevine</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/12/rpk-just-arrested-under-isa/comment-page-3/#comment-136702</link>
		<dc:creator>onetruevine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISA = Ini Semua Auta

ISA + Syed H Al bab = Ini Semua Auta + Sytan Hantu Arab
well keeping it short and simple folks.</description>
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<p>ISA + Syed H Al bab = Ini Semua Auta + Sytan Hantu Arab<br />
well keeping it short and simple folks.</p>
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		<title>By: pangwl88</title>
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		<dc:creator>pangwl88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE BARISAN NATIONAL IS NOW USING FEAR, UNREST AND UNCERTAINTY TO GOVERN THE RAKYAT.

DO WE WANT THAT?

WHO WOULD JOIN ME TO OPPOSE SUCH TERRORISM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE BARISAN NATIONAL IS NOW USING FEAR, UNREST AND UNCERTAINTY TO GOVERN THE RAKYAT.</p>
<p>DO WE WANT THAT?</p>
<p>WHO WOULD JOIN ME TO OPPOSE SUCH TERRORISM!</p>
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		<title>By: HB Lim</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/12/rpk-just-arrested-under-isa/comment-page-3/#comment-133567</link>
		<dc:creator>HB Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zak_hammaad, don't thank me. I only agreed with you that there need to be changes and there are many ways to effect them, some smooth and others reckless. But I do not agree with your other views especially when you argue in favour of RPK's arrest, saying that he has insulted Islam and that his arrest is not political. You have an impeccable command of English and therefore I think you are a smart person and I hope you understand this message and take it in a right spirit.

Assuming that RPK has insulted Islam, which I do not agree as I have read and re-read his allegedly offending articles and did not find those offending, my view is that the most important message or teaching in any religion or of God is humility. To be truly humble is to be truly great. Vice versa, to be great is to be humble. God has always ask us to be humble and to forgive in the face of criticisms and insult. I am a Christian and I speak from the Christian perspective but I think that perspective is shared by Islam. Jesus was persecuted, tortured and hanged. And his last words about his persecutors were, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they are doing". I believe your God also asks you to be humble and to be forgiving. Would you say that He would be angry or take offence when insulted and ask or allow you or His believers to arrest or punish the person who allegedly insulted Him? Would you make Him lesser than His teaching?

I believe in the Greatness of your God. I believe in the Great Mercy of your God. I believe He wants you also to be humble so as to be great, to forgive so as to be merciful. I don't think a Great Wise Merciful God would sanction the incarceration and punishment of anyone who may seem to have insulted Him. Being merciful, He would say "Forgive him for he does not know what he is saying" and He would find ways to bring that offender back to Him in His own Merciful way for I think the greatest happiness for God would be the salvation of a soul, for another "sinner" to have come back to Him. 

We mortals have no right to pass a religious judgment on another for we are all sinners in our own ways, sins being just a matter of degree, and while we can try to convince, persuade and cajol a fellow brother to go back to the ways of God, all matters of religion should be left to God and that man. I do not think that God is so helpless that He requires mortals to protect Him and His teachings.  Because He is God and we mere mortals, He will protect us and preserve His teachings forever and ever. We mortals would be most offensive to Him if we start to play God.

Understood? This is only a personal opinion and should not be taken to be an insult to you or your God. I respect Islam and your right to believe in Islam. Let that be very clear. Having said that, I think most right thinking Malaysians have no problems with the true teachings of Islam which is one of the greatest and perhaps the most popular religion of the world. Only some God-playing mortals have put Islam in a bad light and that is not only truly regrettable and definitely painful to God but has the even more regrettable effect or result of making many shy away from Islam. Would not that be more offensive and insulting to your God?

My view is that RPK has been arrested for a political reason for he is one of the greatest factor in the sinking of UMNO but a religious reason was put forth as an aberration to hide the real reason and to appease or to hookwink the Malay Muslims or to provide a more noble justification to incarcerate him. This is cowardice at its best. 

I think the greatest mistake of the UMNO mad leaders is that they think we Malaysians, Malays or not, are stupid. They think they can lie to all or most of the people all the time and still be victorious. They think the the country belongs to them. They think that they can get away with any atrocities. They think that they and only they are capable of managing this country. 

zak_hammaad, you and I know it is time we stop these bandits from further sending us and our country to hell. I truly hope and pray that your God will touch you so that you will be humbled to acknowledge the Truth and condemn, reject and eject the totally corrupted ones for the sake of our common destiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zak_hammaad, don&#8217;t thank me. I only agreed with you that there need to be changes and there are many ways to effect them, some smooth and others reckless. But I do not agree with your other views especially when you argue in favour of RPK&#8217;s arrest, saying that he has insulted Islam and that his arrest is not political. You have an impeccable command of English and therefore I think you are a smart person and I hope you understand this message and take it in a right spirit.</p>
<p>Assuming that RPK has insulted Islam, which I do not agree as I have read and re-read his allegedly offending articles and did not find those offending, my view is that the most important message or teaching in any religion or of God is humility. To be truly humble is to be truly great. Vice versa, to be great is to be humble. God has always ask us to be humble and to forgive in the face of criticisms and insult. I am a Christian and I speak from the Christian perspective but I think that perspective is shared by Islam. Jesus was persecuted, tortured and hanged. And his last words about his persecutors were, &#8220;Father, forgive them for they know not what they are doing&#8221;. I believe your God also asks you to be humble and to be forgiving. Would you say that He would be angry or take offence when insulted and ask or allow you or His believers to arrest or punish the person who allegedly insulted Him? Would you make Him lesser than His teaching?</p>
<p>I believe in the Greatness of your God. I believe in the Great Mercy of your God. I believe He wants you also to be humble so as to be great, to forgive so as to be merciful. I don&#8217;t think a Great Wise Merciful God would sanction the incarceration and punishment of anyone who may seem to have insulted Him. Being merciful, He would say &#8220;Forgive him for he does not know what he is saying&#8221; and He would find ways to bring that offender back to Him in His own Merciful way for I think the greatest happiness for God would be the salvation of a soul, for another &#8220;sinner&#8221; to have come back to Him. </p>
<p>We mortals have no right to pass a religious judgment on another for we are all sinners in our own ways, sins being just a matter of degree, and while we can try to convince, persuade and cajol a fellow brother to go back to the ways of God, all matters of religion should be left to God and that man. I do not think that God is so helpless that He requires mortals to protect Him and His teachings.  Because He is God and we mere mortals, He will protect us and preserve His teachings forever and ever. We mortals would be most offensive to Him if we start to play God.</p>
<p>Understood? This is only a personal opinion and should not be taken to be an insult to you or your God. I respect Islam and your right to believe in Islam. Let that be very clear. Having said that, I think most right thinking Malaysians have no problems with the true teachings of Islam which is one of the greatest and perhaps the most popular religion of the world. Only some God-playing mortals have put Islam in a bad light and that is not only truly regrettable and definitely painful to God but has the even more regrettable effect or result of making many shy away from Islam. Would not that be more offensive and insulting to your God?</p>
<p>My view is that RPK has been arrested for a political reason for he is one of the greatest factor in the sinking of UMNO but a religious reason was put forth as an aberration to hide the real reason and to appease or to hookwink the Malay Muslims or to provide a more noble justification to incarcerate him. This is cowardice at its best. </p>
<p>I think the greatest mistake of the UMNO mad leaders is that they think we Malaysians, Malays or not, are stupid. They think they can lie to all or most of the people all the time and still be victorious. They think the the country belongs to them. They think that they can get away with any atrocities. They think that they and only they are capable of managing this country. </p>
<p>zak_hammaad, you and I know it is time we stop these bandits from further sending us and our country to hell. I truly hope and pray that your God will touch you so that you will be humbled to acknowledge the Truth and condemn, reject and eject the totally corrupted ones for the sake of our common destiny.</p>
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		<title>By: SGPR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SGPR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks god, she is so strong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzcKdf7N6v4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks god, she is so strong&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzcKdf7N6v4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzcKdf7N6v4</a></p>
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		<title>By: justice4allraces</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/12/rpk-just-arrested-under-isa/comment-page-3/#comment-133510</link>
		<dc:creator>justice4allraces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The arrest of Raja Petra is an utter outrage. This is NOT democracy. This is a violation against one's right to exercise his freedom to speech and expression. Freedom of speech is not a crime. To arrest a man for expressing his opinions just to silence him is a genuine crime. 

Are we going to take this issue lying down? NO!!! Are we going to pray and hope that the hopes and dreams towards freedom of speech will stay alive for our fellow Malaysians as well as the release of Raja Petra? YES!!! We condemn the arrest of RPK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arrest of Raja Petra is an utter outrage. This is NOT democracy. This is a violation against one&#8217;s right to exercise his freedom to speech and expression. Freedom of speech is not a crime. To arrest a man for expressing his opinions just to silence him is a genuine crime. </p>
<p>Are we going to take this issue lying down? NO!!! Are we going to pray and hope that the hopes and dreams towards freedom of speech will stay alive for our fellow Malaysians as well as the release of Raja Petra? YES!!! We condemn the arrest of RPK.</p>
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		<title>By: lhslhv</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/12/rpk-just-arrested-under-isa/comment-page-3/#comment-133443</link>
		<dc:creator>lhslhv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Struggle needs courage and perseverence. Dr Sun Yet Sen took a long time to succeed in his revolution.

Surely the government is playing dirty. Chaos we will have when fools govern the country.

If we were to fail this time, we will do it again in another time. I am sure there must be one time that we can succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Struggle needs courage and perseverence. Dr Sun Yet Sen took a long time to succeed in his revolution.</p>
<p>Surely the government is playing dirty. Chaos we will have when fools govern the country.</p>
<p>If we were to fail this time, we will do it again in another time. I am sure there must be one time that we can succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: boleh-an</title>
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		<dc:creator>boleh-an</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please....

Anwar, LKS, Guan Eng and non-UMNO members, be very, very careful in what you say.

ISA is only for non-UMNO, where's the justice?

Ahmad Ismail should be the first to be detained under ISA.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anwar, LKS, Guan Eng and non-UMNO members, be very, very careful in what you say.</p>
<p>ISA is only for non-UMNO, where&#8217;s the justice?</p>
<p>Ahmad Ismail should be the first to be detained under ISA.</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/12/rpk-just-arrested-under-isa/comment-page-3/#comment-133237</link>
		<dc:creator>zak_hammaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>September 12, 2008 22:26 PM  	

KEMAMAN, Sept 12 (Bernama) - Blogger Raja Petra Kamarudin's detention under the Internal Security Act (ISA) is appropriate as his articles, which allegedly ridiculed Islam and Prophet Muhammad, could stoke anger among Muslims worldwide, Information Minister Datuk Ahmad Shabery Cheek said.

He said the government had to act as the blogger's action had touched the sensitivities among Muslims and could undermine national security.

"I hope that Malaysians will look at this positively as the detention is not because the government is against freedom of expression, but rather, it's because the freedom has been abused.

"The blogger has allowed statements which insulted Prophet Muhammad and this is a very sensitive thing to Muslims in the country and worldwide," he told reporters after breaking fast at the Felda Neram Satu Mosque near here.

He was commenting on Raja Petra's detention under the ISA for his article "I promise to be a good, non-hypocritical Muslim" which contained sentences that ridiculed Muslims besides allowing a commentary which ridiculed Islam and Prophet Muhammad with reference to the article "Not all Arabs are descendants of the Prophet" published in the "Malaysia Today" blog.

Commenting further, Ahmad Shabery said the government did not want Raja Petra's action to go the extent of antagonising Muslims worldwide the way the publication of Prophet Muhammad carricature by a Danish daily or the production of the film "Fitna" by a Dutch politician did.

"I hope Muslims in the country support the government's move which serve as a stern warning to whoever is abusing the freedom of expression by allowing people to write, express opinion or make statements that could hurt the feelings of members of a particular faith.

"The government does not want articles written by people in the country to cause anger among Muslims worldwide," he said.

In a related development, he said the government's move to free up access to websites or blogs was to allow freedom of expression.

However, if the sites had postings that could cause racial and religious tension, the government would have no choice but to take action against the bloggers to protect the interest of others, he said.

"In principle, they (the bloggers) are free to write of express opinion... it's just that they should not abuse that freedom," he said.- BERNAMA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>September 12, 2008 22:26 PM  	</p>
<p>KEMAMAN, Sept 12 (Bernama) - Blogger Raja Petra Kamarudin&#8217;s detention under the Internal Security Act (ISA) is appropriate as his articles, which allegedly ridiculed Islam and Prophet Muhammad, could stoke anger among Muslims worldwide, Information Minister Datuk Ahmad Shabery Cheek said.</p>
<p>He said the government had to act as the blogger&#8217;s action had touched the sensitivities among Muslims and could undermine national security.</p>
<p>&#8220;I hope that Malaysians will look at this positively as the detention is not because the government is against freedom of expression, but rather, it&#8217;s because the freedom has been abused.</p>
<p>&#8220;The blogger has allowed statements which insulted Prophet Muhammad and this is a very sensitive thing to Muslims in the country and worldwide,&#8221; he told reporters after breaking fast at the Felda Neram Satu Mosque near here.</p>
<p>He was commenting on Raja Petra&#8217;s detention under the ISA for his article &#8220;I promise to be a good, non-hypocritical Muslim&#8221; which contained sentences that ridiculed Muslims besides allowing a commentary which ridiculed Islam and Prophet Muhammad with reference to the article &#8220;Not all Arabs are descendants of the Prophet&#8221; published in the &#8220;Malaysia Today&#8221; blog.</p>
<p>Commenting further, Ahmad Shabery said the government did not want Raja Petra&#8217;s action to go the extent of antagonising Muslims worldwide the way the publication of Prophet Muhammad carricature by a Danish daily or the production of the film &#8220;Fitna&#8221; by a Dutch politician did.</p>
<p>&#8220;I hope Muslims in the country support the government&#8217;s move which serve as a stern warning to whoever is abusing the freedom of expression by allowing people to write, express opinion or make statements that could hurt the feelings of members of a particular faith.</p>
<p>&#8220;The government does not want articles written by people in the country to cause anger among Muslims worldwide,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>In a related development, he said the government&#8217;s move to free up access to websites or blogs was to allow freedom of expression.</p>
<p>However, if the sites had postings that could cause racial and religious tension, the government would have no choice but to take action against the bloggers to protect the interest of others, he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;In principle, they (the bloggers) are free to write of express opinion&#8230; it&#8217;s just that they should not abuse that freedom,&#8221; he said.- BERNAMA</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
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		<dc:creator>zak_hammaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HB Lim, your post, from 3rd paragraph onwards is the best piece of analytical read I have had today. If there were more objective people like you on this board, we'd be fast approaching a tangible solution. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HB Lim, your post, from 3rd paragraph onwards is the best piece of analytical read I have had today. If there were more objective people like you on this board, we&#8217;d be fast approaching a tangible solution. Thank you!</p>
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