Well you have to excuse me for being so bodoh. So it is just my humble suggestion (to help all of us bodoh people here) next time you want to point out why secularism won’t work in Malaysia please use this exact phrase: “It is Islam that does not recognize secularism”. That really makes things a whole lot clearer than all your fancy explanations. Thanks.

“Do not respond to me for the sake of responding as it is a time wasting excercise.” – zak_hammaad

Don’t sweat it mate. i don’t mind wasting a bit of my time.

“Good luck with your utopia” – zak_hammaad

Thanks. I wouldn’t call it utopia as utopia generally suggests something unachievable. Thanks anyways.

>> This is the key reason you have failed to explain clearly in your previous posts.

Either you’ve been asleep like your Bodoh PM or you simply missed all my previous posts that CLEARLY highlighted this fact. Do not respond to me for the sake of responding as it is a time wasting excercise.

Good luck with your utopia.

Some one must make sure these 50 M pees return and dont wander off in the restauarants pretending to wash plates and disaapear, the micheal would be very busy again with the taiwanese u/grd.

“The irony is that while you condemn S’pore for it’s tight control over blogs and media regulation, you want to use it as a model worthy of emulation. Which is it?”

Excuse me but i did not condemn Singapore for its media control. So i will reuse your words: It’s pitiful when an individual twists the meaning and puts words in the mouth.

“It is Islam that does not recognize secularism”
Ah yes. Thank you for shedding light on this matter. Next time please remember to highlight this important point when explaining your reasoning why a secular system will not work. This is the key reason you have failed to explain clearly in your previous posts.

“There is nothing “Islamic” about Malaysia’s government.”
I’m sorry but I thought that was what Dr. M said? Its not secular cause you claim thats what LKS is trying to change the government to. So what government is Malaysia?

“That is a question you need to answer.”
No actually i don’t need to answer that question. Because i already know which party is the best to lead the country and it’s definitely not PAP. Everyone knows it is not perfect but its still the most logical and reasonable choice at the moment compared to the thieves, liars and murderers in BN. You are welcome to form a 3rd political front if you believe you have the perfect answer to Malaysia’s problems. Maybe have a chat with Gerakan for they are considering becoming an independant party again.

>> We should follow Singapore’s SECULAR system of governance where no one religion is considered the primary religion.

It’s pitiful when an individual twists the meaning and puts words in the mouth. The irony is that while you condemn S’pore for it’s tight control over blogs and media regulation, you want to use it as a model worthy of emulation. Which is it?

>> Observe that even in a secular government, Islam is still protected.

Islam does not need ‘protection’ it accords protection to others. It is not a mere religion, it is much bigger and comprehensive than that.

>> even in a secular government your religion will still be protected.

Being protected is one thing, being able to govern by it at federal level and practise and express it in PUBLIC is quite another! It is Islam that does not recognise secularism, not the other way around.

>> Not like an Islamic government like Malaysia where people like RPK can bad mouth Islam and get away with it.

There is nothing “Islamic” about Malaysia’s government. The fact that you can not fathom this is why you make silly mistakes. Judging Islam according to BN’s policies and style of governance is like judging Catholicism because of what Nazis did.

>> A secular government like PAP’s will not work in Malaysia because of blah blah blah?

Not blah blah but because of a totally different geo-social demography. Its akin to telling PAP to become a liberal democracy, lol. Let me repeat, secularism can never be reconciled with Islam in any way, shape or form. Live with it! Malaysia is 60% Muslim. Live with it! How the status quo changes to deal with the minority more equitably is the question you need to ask. If you think Pakatan is the best thing since sliced bread who will resolve all your woes, then you are very much mistakes. Far from removing racial politics, they will actually exacerbate it!

>> You want us to follow Singapore? Or Not follow Singapore?

That is a question you need to answer.

Good day.

Please ask AAB and NR to swear (like what NR did previously) on the holy book that this Taiwan escapade of BN MPs has nothing to do with 916.

To speak the truth, nothing but the truth, or nothing but what looks like and sounds like the truth.

Read more:
http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16853&Itemid=1

Actually, the BN regime can learn a lot from Taiwan.

Even if our “suddenly gone green” BN MPs cannot pick up agricultural knowledge on their short study tour :-) , they can hopefully learn the following lessons from Taiwan:

1. Taiwanese universities are world class even if the Malaysian
Govt does not recognise their degrees (because of
political reasons). The postgrad Taiwanese students
I met while studying in the US are of consistently high
standard.
2. Many of their economic planners are PhDs (with degrees
from the best US universities)
3. They have emerged from a one-party dictatorship
during the Chiang Kai-shek years to become a two party
democracy
4. The Taiwanese Guomindang/Kuomintang party has genuinely
reformed to become more democratic. The process began with
Chiang Ching Kuo and accelerated under the leadership of the
intellectual Lee Teng Hui. As Dr Ooi Kee Beng has urged, UMNO
can and should learn from them!
After being ejected by the voters, the Guomindang were recently
re-elected into office. Their leader Ma Ying Jiau is
quite an impressive figure (apparently, he did a good job as
the Mayor of Taipei)
5. Their elections are genuinely democratic with freedom of
speech
6. Sure, there are fistfights in the Legislative Yuan. This is
because some of the deputies are linked to gangsters.
But as democracy deepens in taiwan, these kinds of people
will be weeded out by the Taiwanese voters.

Phua Kai Lit

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/08/asia/malay.php

It is reported in The Star newspaper that Batu Sapi MP Datuk Dr Edmund Chong Ket Wah said that the trip was planned 3 months ago. So please do seek clarification on:

1) Their iteniary. What they are actually doing there for the whole period of time

2) Who they are going to visit to make the study

3) What is the specific topics that they are going to study

I will bet my bottom dollar that they cant answer even one question.
Also, “Dr” Edmund is so stupid to say that the trip was planned 3 months ahead. This statement already proves that he is lying. I remember someone said that their initial destination was China but then due to lack to time to apply for Visa, they are going to Taiwan. Yeah, 3 months planning and you cant get your Visa. Disgrace to people who are have actual qualification to be called Dr.
Plus, people are going as and when they like. Does this sound like 3 months planning?
Actually PR can just send someone down to Taiwan on Economy Class (Not Business Class like those MPs) to just tag along wherever they go and take many many many pictures. Then post their everyday move on the internet. Let everyone see what they are doing there in Taiwan and what they are studying.

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And they also had all sorts of report in live, chat, views or debate from the opposition over the govern party broadcast every day on TV.

Looks like this goons thwart heading wrong direction straight land of truth that means to be doomed! xD

Hope the paparazzi in Taiwan start interview them one by one haha!.

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