Comments on: “The birds have flown” – BN MPs forced to flee from Malaysia because of “916″ http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/ for Malaysia Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:41:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: katdog http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/comment-page-3/#comment-132065 katdog Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:53:33 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/#comment-132065 "Either you’ve been asleep like your Bodoh PM or you simply missed all my previous posts that CLEARLY highlighted this fact." - zak_hammaad Well you have to excuse me for being so bodoh. So it is just my humble suggestion (to help all of us bodoh people here) next time you want to point out why secularism won't work in Malaysia please use this exact phrase: “It is Islam that does not recognize secularism”. That really makes things a whole lot clearer than all your fancy explanations. Thanks. "Do not respond to me for the sake of responding as it is a time wasting excercise." - zak_hammaad Don't sweat it mate. i don't mind wasting a bit of my time. "Good luck with your utopia" - zak_hammaad Thanks. I wouldn't call it utopia as utopia generally suggests something unachievable. Thanks anyways. “Either you’ve been asleep like your Bodoh PM or you simply missed all my previous posts that CLEARLY highlighted this fact.” - zak_hammaad

Well you have to excuse me for being so bodoh. So it is just my humble suggestion (to help all of us bodoh people here) next time you want to point out why secularism won’t work in Malaysia please use this exact phrase: “It is Islam that does not recognize secularism”. That really makes things a whole lot clearer than all your fancy explanations. Thanks.

“Do not respond to me for the sake of responding as it is a time wasting excercise.” - zak_hammaad

Don’t sweat it mate. i don’t mind wasting a bit of my time.

“Good luck with your utopia” - zak_hammaad

Thanks. I wouldn’t call it utopia as utopia generally suggests something unachievable. Thanks anyways.

]]> By: zak_hammaad http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/comment-page-3/#comment-132040 zak_hammaad Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:25:40 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/#comment-132040 katdog Says: >> This is the key reason you have failed to explain clearly in your previous posts. Either you've been asleep like your Bodoh PM or you simply missed all my previous posts that CLEARLY highlighted this fact. Do not respond to me for the sake of responding as it is a time wasting excercise. Good luck with your utopia. katdog Says:

>> This is the key reason you have failed to explain clearly in your previous posts.

Either you’ve been asleep like your Bodoh PM or you simply missed all my previous posts that CLEARLY highlighted this fact. Do not respond to me for the sake of responding as it is a time wasting excercise.

Good luck with your utopia.

]]> By: lopez http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/comment-page-3/#comment-132036 lopez Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:14:41 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/#comment-132036 It is a sunset club this m see air, late comers should quickly get out before having to take all blame. Some one must make sure these 50 M pees return and dont wander off in the restauarants pretending to wash plates and disaapear, the micheal would be very busy again with the taiwanese u/grd. It is a sunset club this m see air, late comers should quickly get out before having to take all blame.

Some one must make sure these 50 M pees return and dont wander off in the restauarants pretending to wash plates and disaapear, the micheal would be very busy again with the taiwanese u/grd.

]]> By: katdog http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/comment-page-3/#comment-132005 katdog Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:14:46 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/#comment-132005 Ha ha. Zak. I'll just reply. "The irony is that while you condemn S’pore for it’s tight control over blogs and media regulation, you want to use it as a model worthy of emulation. Which is it?" Excuse me but i did not condemn Singapore for its media control. So i will reuse your words: It’s pitiful when an individual twists the meaning and puts words in the mouth. "It is Islam that does not recognize secularism" Ah yes. Thank you for shedding light on this matter. Next time please remember to highlight this important point when explaining your reasoning why a secular system will not work. This is the key reason you have failed to explain clearly in your previous posts. "There is nothing “Islamic” about Malaysia’s government." I'm sorry but I thought that was what Dr. M said? Its not secular cause you claim thats what LKS is trying to change the government to. So what government is Malaysia? "That is a question you need to answer." No actually i don't need to answer that question. Because i already know which party is the best to lead the country and it's definitely not PAP. Everyone knows it is not perfect but its still the most logical and reasonable choice at the moment compared to the thieves, liars and murderers in BN. You are welcome to form a 3rd political front if you believe you have the perfect answer to Malaysia's problems. Maybe have a chat with Gerakan for they are considering becoming an independant party again. Ha ha. Zak. I’ll just reply.

“The irony is that while you condemn S’pore for it’s tight control over blogs and media regulation, you want to use it as a model worthy of emulation. Which is it?”

Excuse me but i did not condemn Singapore for its media control. So i will reuse your words: It’s pitiful when an individual twists the meaning and puts words in the mouth.

“It is Islam that does not recognize secularism”
Ah yes. Thank you for shedding light on this matter. Next time please remember to highlight this important point when explaining your reasoning why a secular system will not work. This is the key reason you have failed to explain clearly in your previous posts.

“There is nothing “Islamic” about Malaysia’s government.”
I’m sorry but I thought that was what Dr. M said? Its not secular cause you claim thats what LKS is trying to change the government to. So what government is Malaysia?

“That is a question you need to answer.”
No actually i don’t need to answer that question. Because i already know which party is the best to lead the country and it’s definitely not PAP. Everyone knows it is not perfect but its still the most logical and reasonable choice at the moment compared to the thieves, liars and murderers in BN. You are welcome to form a 3rd political front if you believe you have the perfect answer to Malaysia’s problems. Maybe have a chat with Gerakan for they are considering becoming an independant party again.

]]> By: zak_hammaad http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/comment-page-3/#comment-131919 zak_hammaad Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:43:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/#comment-131919 katdog Says: >> We should follow Singapore’s SECULAR system of governance where no one religion is considered the primary religion. It's pitiful when an individual twists the meaning and puts words in the mouth. The irony is that while you condemn S'pore for it's tight control over blogs and media regulation, you want to use it as a model worthy of emulation. Which is it? >> Observe that even in a secular government, Islam is still protected. Islam does not need 'protection' it accords protection to others. It is not a mere religion, it is much bigger and comprehensive than that. >> even in a secular government your religion will still be protected. Being protected is one thing, being able to govern by it at federal level and practise and express it in PUBLIC is quite another! It is Islam that does not recognise secularism, not the other way around. >> Not like an Islamic government like Malaysia where people like RPK can bad mouth Islam and get away with it. There is nothing "Islamic" about Malaysia's government. The fact that you can not fathom this is why you make silly mistakes. Judging Islam according to BN's policies and style of governance is like judging Catholicism because of what Nazis did. >> A secular government like PAP’s will not work in Malaysia because of blah blah blah? Not blah blah but because of a totally different geo-social demography. Its akin to telling PAP to become a liberal democracy, lol. Let me repeat, secularism can never be reconciled with Islam in any way, shape or form. Live with it! Malaysia is 60% Muslim. Live with it! How the status quo changes to deal with the minority more equitably is the question you need to ask. If you think Pakatan is the best thing since sliced bread who will resolve all your woes, then you are very much mistakes. Far from removing racial politics, they will actually exacerbate it! >> You want us to follow Singapore? Or Not follow Singapore? That is a question you need to answer. Good day. katdog Says:

>> We should follow Singapore’s SECULAR system of governance where no one religion is considered the primary religion.

It’s pitiful when an individual twists the meaning and puts words in the mouth. The irony is that while you condemn S’pore for it’s tight control over blogs and media regulation, you want to use it as a model worthy of emulation. Which is it?

>> Observe that even in a secular government, Islam is still protected.

Islam does not need ‘protection’ it accords protection to others. It is not a mere religion, it is much bigger and comprehensive than that.

>> even in a secular government your religion will still be protected.

Being protected is one thing, being able to govern by it at federal level and practise and express it in PUBLIC is quite another! It is Islam that does not recognise secularism, not the other way around.

>> Not like an Islamic government like Malaysia where people like RPK can bad mouth Islam and get away with it.

There is nothing “Islamic” about Malaysia’s government. The fact that you can not fathom this is why you make silly mistakes. Judging Islam according to BN’s policies and style of governance is like judging Catholicism because of what Nazis did.

>> A secular government like PAP’s will not work in Malaysia because of blah blah blah?

Not blah blah but because of a totally different geo-social demography. Its akin to telling PAP to become a liberal democracy, lol. Let me repeat, secularism can never be reconciled with Islam in any way, shape or form. Live with it! Malaysia is 60% Muslim. Live with it! How the status quo changes to deal with the minority more equitably is the question you need to ask. If you think Pakatan is the best thing since sliced bread who will resolve all your woes, then you are very much mistakes. Far from removing racial politics, they will actually exacerbate it!

>> You want us to follow Singapore? Or Not follow Singapore?

That is a question you need to answer.

Good day.

]]> By: badak http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/comment-page-3/#comment-131886 badak Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:55:51 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/#comment-131886 Half of the MPs on the trip have not even hold a spade in their hands . The other half don,t even know the diffrence between a salt water fish and fresh water fish. Who is BN trying to bluff... Half of the MPs on the trip have not even hold a spade in their hands . The other half don,t even know the diffrence between a salt water fish and fresh water fish.
Who is BN trying to bluff…

]]> By: boh-liao http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/comment-page-3/#comment-131848 boh-liao Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:23:00 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/#comment-131848 This is the holy month of Ramadan. Please ask AAB and NR to swear (like what NR did previously) on the holy book that this Taiwan escapade of BN MPs has nothing to do with 916. To speak the truth, nothing but the truth, or nothing but what looks like and sounds like the truth. This is the holy month of Ramadan.

Please ask AAB and NR to swear (like what NR did previously) on the holy book that this Taiwan escapade of BN MPs has nothing to do with 916.

To speak the truth, nothing but the truth, or nothing but what looks like and sounds like the truth.

]]> By: greatwarrior http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/comment-page-3/#comment-131837 greatwarrior Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:02:44 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/08/%e2%80%9cthe-birds-have-flown%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-bn-mps-forced-to-flee-from-malaysia-because-of-916/#comment-131837 Shows how 'caring' they are. The people in Penang and Kedah are battling with floods, they are enjoying themselves elsewhere. Why did anybody vote them in the first place anyway? See how they are taking care of their 'rakyat'? Read more: http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16853&Itemid=1 Shows how ‘caring’ they are. The people in Penang and Kedah are battling with floods, they are enjoying themselves elsewhere. Why did anybody vote them in the first place anyway? See how they are taking care of their ‘rakyat’?

Read more:
http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16853&Itemid=1

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