The Star front-page headline today “Off to Taiwan – 50 Barisan MPs begin eight-day study trip” is the latest update of the political farce which could be appropriately entitled “The Birds Have Flown” to tell the story as to how 51 years after Merdeka, two-thirds of the 75 BN parliamentary backbenchers were forced to flee from Malaysia to ensure that they don’t take part any “916” political changes.
Despite maintaining a public stanc of stoic indifference, there is no doubt that with the daily countdown to September 16, there is an increasing panic in Umno and Barisan Nasional leadership ranks over the degree of cohesion, solidarity and allegiance of the 75 Barisan Nasional parliamentary backbenchers, resulting in the farcical “forced flight” overseas by two-thirds of the BN MPs to make it absolutely sure that none of them will participate in any “916” developments.
The Barisan Nasional Backbenchers Club (BBC) chairman Datuk Seri Tiong King Sing (Bintulu) may pride himself for coming up with a “political masterstroke” to thwart “916”, but he did not realize that he has made the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, Deputy Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak and the entire Umno and BN leadership look even more foolish in the eyes of Malaysians and the world!
Tiong should be sacked as BBC Chairman instead of being praised and rewarded for hatching such a stupid idea, as it will go into the Malaysian political folklores of Abdullah being exposed as a latter-day “Emperor’s New Clothes”.
What makes Tiong and the leaders of Umno and BN think that physically shipping two-thirds of the 75 parliamentary backbenchers overseas and sequestering from any contact with Pakatan Rakyat until after “916” (may be every BN MP will be subject to 24-hr surveilliance in their Taiwan study trip with all the handphones confiscated or all forms of communications monitored and censored), the loyalty and allegiance of all the BN MPs are forever secured?
If there are BN MPs who are minded to leave BN as it is a “sinking Titanic”, nothing can stop them from proceeding with their fateful decisions any time after their return to Malaysia after September 16.
The panic of BN leaders with the approach of “916” is also evident from the increasingly intemperate and irrational statements emanating from their ranks.
New Sunday Times yesterday carried one such statement by the Parti Bersatu Sabah (PBS) deputy president and Minister for Science, Technology and Innovation, Datuk Dr. Maximus Ongkili.
The New Sunday Times quoted Ongkili as condemning as “evil” the plan to overthrow the BN government by alleged “undemocratic means”.
He said “enticing elected BN representatives to cross over so that Pakatan Rakyat could seize power was shameful, unethical and dangerous because it would create political chaos and economic strife”.
He said the people should “reject the dirty politics propagated by the opposition, and erase the notion that elected politicians in Malaysia could be bought and sold for a pot of political porridge”.
He also posed the following questions:
“Why is Pakatan so insistent in promoting the formation of a government of unprincipled politicians?
“Do we want this country to be governed by frog legislators who will surely mortgage the rights of the people?”
I have always known Ongkili as a level-headed politician but it is reflection of the extreme pressures he and other leaders, whether PBS, Umno or BN, have been subject to by the “916” dateline, to make him to use intemperate language when Ongkili should have known that the language of abuse like “evil”, “dirty politics”, “elected politicians…bought and sold for a pot of political porridge”, “unprincipled politicians”, “frog legislators who …mortgage the rights of the people” could be so easily used back against him as he had led PBS from the Opposition into the Barisan Nasional in highly controversial circumstances.
I fully agree that Malaysian politics must be kept clean, ethical and principled and there must be no room for elected representatives to be “frog legislators” to defect for monetary gain or other material inducements – or to use Ongkili’s words “a pot of political porridge”.
This is why DAP and I had maintained since the 70s that elected representative should resign if they want to defect, return the mandate to the voters to seek their approval in a by-election on a question of principle – which will banish the disgraceful political spectacle of money politics where MPs and state legislators could be bought and sold in the market place and end unprincipled, unethical and dishonourable politics.
This honourable option for an MP to resign and cause a by-election to seek a new mandate from the electorate to endorse his resignation or defection was closed in 1990 when the Constitution was amended to bar any MP who resigns from his seat from standing for election for five years.
After the two political tsunamis of March 8 general election and the Permatang Pauh by-election on August 26, there is a deepening crisis of confidence in the authority and legitimacy of the Prime Minister, the Cabinet and the Barisan Nasional government who seem to be completely lost as to how to resolve the multiple crisis of confidence afflicting the country, whether political, economic, institutional, good governance or even nation-building.
As a result, more and more Malaysians have come around to the view that in the national interest to safeguard the well-being of the nation and people, particularly to enhance our international competitiveness to assure the future prosperity of all Malaysians, a change of government is not only timely but has become an imperative national agenda.
I believe that this is also the view of more and more BN MPs.
I will have no truck with BN MPs who want to join forces with Pakatan Rakyat because this is an opportunity for them to make money or get other material gain, i.e. for “a pot of political porridge”, for this is clearly unethical, unprincipled and dishonourable which must be deplored by all right-thinking Malaysians.
However, if BN MPs are motivated by noble principles of saving the country from further drift and loss of direction of the Barisan Nasional government and for the political, economic and national betterment of the people, their honourable and principled action to leave the sinking BN Titanic will surely gain the sympathy, support and respect of all Malaysians.

#1 by thguan on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:10 pm
We used to hear rakyat is the boss, MP was selected by rakyat.
If there is the case, can we demand the respective MP to submit their so called “business trip”, we shall see how the trip bring benefit to them & the rakyat.
#2 by kerajaan.rakyat on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:19 pm
Dear YB Lim,
YB, Gua mau kasi tau sama YB, ini Abudula manyak cilaka punya
olang. Lia ala ciakap itu anuar tatak olang mau, lagi lia ciakap dia
tatak takut sama anuar.
Tapi sikalang itu Abudula lia sama lia punya olang mau lali pigi itu
Taik wan.
Wa ati manyak ada ilan. manyak pilik.
http://www.kerajaanrakyat.com/
#3 by izrafeil on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:19 pm
Uncle Lim,
Yesterday the 7th day of puasa, i walk to bazaar ramadah for the first time carrying RM20/- (last puasa i frequented more times), this puasa is special because at RM20/- stretching your Ringgit makes my elbow hurts….. it pains me when our YB YB YBs… have a smacking good time on our taxpayers money….
The other day, my wifey tried to tahan a taksi, after boarding,,, the taxi driver shouted at her to “GET OUT”….
Question:
When was the last time our Transport Minister in charge of Taxi actually took a taxi ride? Its HORRENDOUS to get a taxi, pretty well bad, i wish there is a BLUEBIRD here….
#4 by dawsheng on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:31 pm
With some of its most respectable members already left the party to join PKR and DAP, we can consider Gerakan as out of BN. For MCA, they need UMNO more than UMNO needs them, unless, MCA becomes a NGO, which is not a bad idea if they specifically wants to help the Chinese in Malaysia, then they may leave BN. MCA and Gerakan should merge in order to survive the next general election.
#5 by izrafeil on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:34 pm
sorry to hijcak the topic, but of national interest too is the issue on worsening taxi services for the following;
a) refusal to take passengers
b) refusal to use meters
c) being outright ill mannered
d) often smelly and dirty taxis
e) driving recklessly
why are we paying as much as Singapore taxi (if meter not used), but bad and worsening service?
LRT also cannot lah di harap… last night services between 7pm-8pm terbatuk2
#6 by Freddy on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:36 pm
Consensus, I doubt anybody believe that election in Malaysia is truly fair and transparent.
There are many who believe that it could be up to 10% of the votes being rigged. Hence, through whatever means that BN had been doing to obtain votes fraudulenly, including votes buying, and taking into account of the possible 10% votes obtained illegally and fraudulently, isn’t it possible that Pakatan Rakyat should be the government of the day after March 8?
Then let’s talk about Project IC in Sabah. Some calls it Project Mahathir. What percentage of votes BN obtained fraudulently?
Hence, if one questions morality, then the simple answer is that IT IS MORALLY CORRECT for Anwar Ibrahim and Pakatan Rakyat to lay claim to whatever that belongs to the people.
That is my opinion. BN had lost on March 8 IF the general election was void of frauds.
However, let’s hear what the others opined:
1. B K Ong feels that since parliamentarians are elected by the people, it would only be fair that party hoppers in particular should go back to voters for a new mandate.
2. USM senior lecturer P Sivamurugan feels that it is unethical and undemocratic for Anwar to take over without the people’s mandate.
3. Hindu Action Network coordinator G Mugunthan claims that most people want Pakatan to assume power ‘by hook or crook’ because they desire change. He further argues that the cleanliness of the electoral process is viewed with suspicion and the widespread allegations that the national polls are marred by fraud itself demands a change of government.
Morality? If the election is clean and transparent, then it is morally wrong for Anwar Ibrahim and Pakatan Rakyat to snatch power. But since we know that election is anything by a fraud in Malaysia, it is morally correct for Anwar Ibrahim and Pakatan Rakyat to wrest back from BN what is rightfully ours.
I, as a registered voter as well as a anak Bangsa Malaysia, demand that what’s rightfully mine be returned!
#7 by dawsheng on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:37 pm
My guess is, contrary to popular beliefs, MPs from the northern states of Terengganu, Kedah and Perlis are the most likely to hop over to Pakatan Rakyat.
#8 by Damocles on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:38 pm
“So is Anwar bluffing about September 16th ? I don’t know.
However considering that he will disappoint many people if it were just hot air, perhaps he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he, being a seasoned politician, is unlikely to commit political suicide by his own volition.” – Jeffrey
I think that it doesn’t really matter whether 916 will come to pass.
What is important is that PR has given us a “silver lining” in an otherwise gloomy world dominated by UMNO!
At least, we have hope – something which we never had for the past fifty-one years.
Another very important factor is that Anwar has also enlightened the ordinary Malays that they have a far better deal with the PR than the BN. This is the crux of the Anwar magic!
#9 by highhand on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:38 pm
paid rm 3 million for 9 cows
how much to pay for the trip?
#10 by taiking on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:47 pm
Zak said:
“Under the guise of “free and fair anything”, individuals are willing to disparage, distort and lie to gain the infamy they have now become accustomed to. I believe M’sia has been too slow to act against social threats like him and others.”
Hummm. What about Bush Jr. and his WMD-in-Iraq story and his Osama, the terrorist-in-Afghanistan-who-must-be-killed vendetta – neither of which is true or traceable.
We malaysians are pre-schoolers by comparison. Westerners are better at this game. And they can do it with a smiling face and in the name of peace, UN and humanity.
At least here in malaysia a statement like the umno government is corrupt and has wasted a lot of tax-payers’ money carries a lot of truth and can be verified with publicly known examples.
Look at najib. If he were a minister in Gordon Brown’s cabinet, he would have resigned a long time ago. And what is better is that he would have done so on his own volition. He need not be told to leave. The system there simply has no room for public officers who are engulfed in controversies.
In a place with a system like that, there would be no need for RPK to appear. He would have no role to play, honestly. He could well be a happy blogger blogging away about horses and cigars for all we know, and enjoying plenty of quality time with his family and friends.
There is another thing. What can one do in terms of checking on a government that is not transparent in its ways and at the same time controls the media? It is because of the denial by the umno government of our right to know that we the people had to resort to piecing the story together with bits of infomation floating about in public domain.
And the umno government (and you too Zak) has the audacity to say that bloggers are mongers of the untruth?
There is a simple solution to this problem actually. Free the media and be transparent. That way, when the umno government hears a complaint, they can very well be sure that it would be based on true facts. It would be better for them too for they need not duel with the ghost of rumours. It would be all cold hard facts.
Umno is in trouble? Yes of course. Umno authored all those troubles by itself and is blaming it on the opposition and the people.
#11 by newchief on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:51 pm
I agree with Maximus statement that actions be taken against irresponsible leaders who created fear and public disorder by spreading lies. Mind you lazy Max, you and all BN like bodowi SHOULD BE be the 1st to be tangkap because you ARE the irresponsible leaders who come out to instil fear on the rakyat!!
if you barbaric nationalists is so confident that DSAI can never become PM, why sent 50 suspected MPs AWAY in the first place!! Answer me !!! imagine the raktay money being spent for this trip. is it worthwhile to spend bung moktar the ‘education’ trip when he says YOUR MOTHER LEAKS!!?? damp you!!
what right has you to say oppositions are irresponsible & will surely mortgage the rights of the people away. have you really look after made your people / race in sabah and ensure they are very happy?? look yourself in the mirror 1st because the rakyat has seen that bn has failed FOR THE RAKYAT BUT NOT YOU OF COURSE!!
if bn dares, go for an advance fresh election NOW for another 5 years to convince me especially whether the rakyat wants a change or not in government!! the only consolation i get from this government is that i won’t be cursed for money which is not to my entitlement nor would i get into any serious health problems because i see more and more fat fat idiots in barbaric nationalists. that’s why your brains don’t work well for the rakyat!! good luck to barbaric nationalists health!!
#12 by goldenscreen on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 1:58 pm
Dear readers and DAP,
Is it possible to check the movements and activities of these BN MPs in Taiwan? Just to make sure that they are really studying high-tech agriculture and not making side stops to enjoy themselves. I’m sure the Taiwanese paparazzi would be happy to dig dirt on these fellows.
#13 by boh-liao on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 2:02 pm
AI and PR should do a little experiment.
They should announce that the crossover on 916 is now postponed to 1016. Let’s see if the BN MPs will be sent off to another R&R in October 2008.
#14 by cheng on on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 2:15 pm
Why go to a place where their culture, language, food etc are similar to the “pendatang” or “penumpang”?? “lagi pun” their people not “halal’. eat too much pork? why?
Did the trip include some of the agriculture experts from UPM? so that these experts can write some technical reports after the trip??
#15 by Godfather on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 2:17 pm
Zak the foreigner is talking nonsense again. PR has given true Malaysians hope – through the fact that they don’t steal. That’s not what Zak wants to hear, because Zak’s hero the Mamak condoned stealing when he was in charge for 22 years.
Go kiss the Mamak’s a$$, Zak.
#16 by cheng on on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 2:19 pm
To learn from Taiwan, how to grow better “Pinanag”, and use “Pinang” more widely, may help to win back Penang state??
#17 by tchin8080 on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 2:24 pm
I propose that the PR should condemn this trip throughly and bring those MPs who sign up on this to shame. This is an utter waster of tax payers money. I hope all those who elected for BN can wake up and see how blatantly the current government can put our hard earned money to waste.
I work in a Multi National Company, and even we do not send over 50 of our employees off to a 8 days study trip. Even justifying the need to send 5 people overseas for a crucial prototype first power on is met with rejection from higher management. While every other companies and countries are going into cost cutting mode to prepare for the uinknown economic climate, here we are having 50 BARISAN NASIONAL MPs send on a study trip for no reason.
To add salt to the wound, are our Barisan MPs so stupid that you need 50 members to go on a study trip before they can come up with a decent proposal?
It would have been more effective to sent groups of 3-5 MPs to different countries on study trips. At least when they are back, they could better debate on the pro and cons of the different methods used in each country. Whats the point fo having 50 MPs going to one country?
BN only knows how to waste money.
#18 by kanthanboy on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 3:08 pm
If 916 is successful the new PR government should declare that GE 13 will be held within a year to get a new mandate from the rakyat.
pkrisnin is right, before calling a new election PR must clean up the judiciary, the police, the AG, the ACA and the EC. One year should be engouh to create a level playing field for GE 13.
#19 by citizenwatch on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 3:36 pm
SIGNS: An ancient Italian philosopher ‘foresaw’ Malaysia’s protracted and convoluted politics based on signs that lead to a major event which the turning point for the country.
“This archipelago, (peninsular, his misperception at that time) a protrusion into the malacca waterways (straits) and the South China Sea have signs from both its good and less desirable people guiding its governance. It begins with a strapping young man recounting in God’s name, revisiting habits of denizens of Sodom and Gomorrah bears witness against a man of repute who wants to topple a corrupt government with an effete leader.
The signs of key personages involved: This man of repute is saved by witnesses in the form of a medicine man from a foreign land and a religious man with a relatively unusual name.
Those adversaries of his who unwittingly help speed up his noble intentions: An army head who is involved in the transaction of flying and underwater machines; an ambitious son-in-law of the effete leader; a chieftain of an area called flag hill who causes internal strife; chieftains who leave the effete leader; a warrior chief temporarily incapacitated because of heart ailment; high chieftains who are coerced to travel far with attempts to defer before some of them on their own accord walk across to join the other side to help this man of repute to rule. All these signs are to happen before the prophecy is fulfilled.” – Noholdsbarredamus, ancient philosopher.
#20 by scorpian6666 on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 3:59 pm
BN has time and time again and more so recently shown their inconsistencies under the pretense of fairness and lawfullness, gripping on to power by hook and crook for their own ends, that the only way to eliminated them for the sake of the country is not to play it “fair”
This latest “oversea trips” shows clearly the kind of leaders we have had. I certainly hope they would consider trading their seats with our farmers when they come back. One or two Mp..yes but 50s…If they are not idiots, what are they?
The downward trend of the BN is loud and clear. This trend call for a new evaluation of the BN.
I certainly agreed with a cross-over for the sake of putting a full stop to all these shames! in this current political climate.
Go for it … Cross-over for the sake of Malaysia ! but do be vigilant
#21 by pulau_sibu on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 4:06 pm
MPs sent to exile, let us know if you find Bala there!
#22 by walao on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 4:31 pm
Er….Go T
#23 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 4:36 pm
This is called killing 50 birds with one stone.
1) Hopefully, these 50 cuckoos who flew their nest will not be available for Pakatan to persuade them to fly over.
2) Hopefully, these 50 cheapskates will be satisfied with this all-expense paid junket and blatant misuse of public funds poorly disguised as a study trip.
Hmmm, I wonder what they will be studying? How Chen Shui Bian laundered his ill gotten gains?
#24 by walao on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 4:36 pm
Why go Taiwan? Taiwan is in the mess , trying to fight corruption which involves Mr.Chen’s and his immediate family. Until now, even there’s so many proof against the formal leader, Taiwan government still slow in taking action against Mr.Chen. There’s nothing to learn there.
#25 by gofortruth on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 4:49 pm
Am I mistaken to see one of them (photo at KLIA) bringing along Golf gears for an Agricultural field trip? Sorry if I’m wrong.
#26 by gofortruth on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 4:50 pm
Oops photo here:-
http://themalaysianinsider.com/
#27 by badak on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 4:51 pm
Weather Sept 16 happen or not is not important.What is important is that UMNO led BN Government did not learn anything on 8 March.
They still have their heads in the clouds or buried in the sand.
Zak Hammaad… I will agree with you.It is wrong for DSAI to ask BN MPs to jump ship.DSAI must asked them to resign and then go for a BY ELECTION.This way no one can point fingers that this MP,s jump because of money.
By the way ZAK are you a Sabahan.I think you are bah…
#28 by zak_hammaad on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 4:54 pm
taiking, my posts are often continuation of previous ones. You know very well I was not speaking of MT’s political content, it is RP’s irresponsibility towards religion that has got him into trouble. I can give you plenty of examples of his disregard for facts and referential integrity when speaking about matters pertaining to Islam. He also does not allow you to correct him because he knows most of what he writes is a figment of his Islamophobic mentality.
As I said before, S’pore would have long interned him and thrown away the key because he is a threat to social stability: of which religion is a pillar-stone. Instead of big-mouthing through media, M’sia should learn from S’pore and understand such individuals are silently interned and not tolerated in any sense of the word!
#29 by richmom on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 4:55 pm
my friend from Taiwan came to market his biotech product 3 yrs ago.No sales since that time there is no demand for it.It is suppose to turn the animal waste from pigs into fertilizers and they said it is not applicable to Malaysian.BUT.I GUESS…Now it is the right time because:
1) we have huge land of oil palm needs to be fetilized.
2)pig farming is a great business potential since we can export to China –everybody said it is the biggest buyer in almost anything.
3)to avoid the sensitive no of 916
4) to educate our mps who really need to learn
so hurray to our smart PM–kill 4 birds with 1 stone
#30 by HJ Angus on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:04 pm
I have some suggestions on how both the BN and PR must work together to remove the possibility of civil unrest and also ensure that voters get the final say.
Read more at my blog
http://malaysiawatch4.blogspot.com/2008/09/malaysiakini-can-lead-to-promote.html
#31 by badak on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:10 pm
Zak hammaad i agree with you ,It is wrong for DSAI to ask BN MPs to jump ship.It is best that this MPs resign and go for a BY ELECTION.This way no one can point a finger accusing them of money politics.
By the way ZAK are you a SABAHAN.. I think so bah…
#32 by kisfiu on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:17 pm
How many by-elections will be have if they all don’t come back ?
#33 by Anak_Penang on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:23 pm
Is Sep 16 possible ?
Express yourself at votingmalaysia.blogspot.com
#34 by scorpian6666 on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:28 pm
Zak
you seem very smart but you also seem to fail to see this is Malaysia not Singapore. Not using the other half of your brain?
By the way, what would S’pore do to cases the like the Mongolian’s Murder or the latest “Taiwan Trips
Now Islam is a religion..a belief … facts and referential integrity .. does they really matter ?
Okay give us the pretty of examples of his disregard for facts and referential integrity. Show us the facts. Play fair
#35 by monsterball on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:35 pm
By election will be instant…if all are proven dead.
But these are going on a very serious..facts finding trip.
So important….it must be instant…no waste time.
Come back on 17th September…all cross over to Anwar.
So a delay to one or two days of Anwar’s plan…expected.
UMNO keep applying obstructions….obstacles…oppressions…giving 50 sexy objects..to poison the minds of these goodies..day and night…hoping they will not cross over.
Like Permatang Pauh…the end result…UMNO will be the sucker this time.
Anyway…easy money come..easy go…spend money stolen from us…try anything..try luck..under this clear and desperate time of theirs….every idiotic idea is a great idea to UMNO.
#36 by NewDAP on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:41 pm
tomorrow news,
plane carrying 50 MPs crashed, all MPs died.
there will be by elections for the 50+1 vacant parliament seats
Nov’2008 news
PKR and DAP won total 35 seats, Anwar becomes new PM,
AAB becomes the new opposition chief.
#37 by boh-liao on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:48 pm
Business Times, 8.9.08: “As At this juncture, the only certainty is that never before has the country observed Malaysia Day (16.9) with such great attention.”
Actually it’s a big, big, big risk having 50 MPs flying on the same plane. Imagine if something unfortunate were to happen to the plane mid air (Who knows whether any one of the BN MPs may be carrying C4?) or if the plane were to crash into a tall building in Taiwan (remember Sep 11?), what then happens to our parliament? Still need crossovers?
#38 by chinymin on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:53 pm
If it is genuine(?), I see that the UMNO MPs are so hard working(?), even during the fasting months, to learn new knowledge and technology from other country(?)!! We will see what sorts of new tech(?) they bring back on after “916″, so that Malaysia will promptly adopt(?) them and implement(?) same for the progress(?) of Malaysia. Malaysia boleh(?).
#39 by chinymin on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 5:59 pm
Sorry, not only UMNO MPs but BN MPs.
#40 by zak_hammaad on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 6:09 pm
scorpian6666 Says:
>> you also seem to fail to see this is Malaysia not Singapore.
Then why do we keep holding it as a model worthy of emulation? Do you now agree what works for them does not always work for us and vice versa?
>> By the way, what would S’pore do to cases the like the Mongolian’s Murder or the latest “Taiwan Trips
Have a full enquiry and bring hasten to bring the culprits to justice? Bury the investigations and blame low level individuals and say sorry (as was the case in the Mas Selmat case)? Who knows? Maybe you should ask PAP. What I am sure of based of previous seemingly less serious examples. Singapore has strict guidelines for bloggers otherwise they are out. Some no no’s are race and religion, even at their coveted “speakers corner”. Libellous and defamatory remarks often end with a legal writ (i.e. you can say it, but be prepared to pay for it!)
Example: In 2005, a 17-year-old Singaporean Chinese student pleaded guilty to sedition for posting anti-Muslim remarks on his weblog. A Malay lady commented on a blog discussing dogs that ride on taxis and she pointed out that Malay drivers should be able to refuse carrying passengers with dogs as they are considered impure in Islam (dog saliva).
He was the third person that month to be convicted under the Sedition Act. Full story can be googled by typing in “Third Singapore blogger pleads guilty”.
Singapore government thought is serious enough to warrant such action.
>> Now Islam is a religion..a belief … facts and referential integrity .. does they really matter ?
Firstly, Islam is more than a ‘religion’ it is a complete way of life and systems that govern every facet of life, be it social, political, economic etc. Secondly, facts and referential integrity I refer to is specific to Islam (i.e. if you say something within an Islamic context, be prepared to prove yourself from the established sources of Islam). You can NOT use Islam as a subject matter on one hand and disregard what it has to say about the subject matter on the other. Hope you understand.
>> Show us the facts. Play fair
A lot of the examples are very ugly and this is neither the space or place to give them. It will change the dynamics of this thread and it very sensitive. Just as some of our comments await moderation on this board, we must learn to be self-regulating as our dear Lim Kit is :^)
#41 by 7even Sins on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 6:16 pm
Why learning from Taiwan? Tot UMNO gomen always discriminate the Chinese and the other non-bumis. Since when Chinese ruled countries become such an important learning zone??? Don’t those most ego UMNO bozos sayang their air muka any more for bowing down to the Chinese Ruled Countries for lesson???
No matter what they do, this is their last Hari Raya trip before doom.
#42 by Yee Siew Wah on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 6:23 pm
One guy was right when he questioned in this blog “What planned study trip would have to depend on whatever visa that comes available first?
What study trip would need 50 MPs in attendance?
What study trip would require all 50 to study on ONE aspect?”
This stupid Botak TKS thought rakyat are all fools. 50 MPs to study say Agriculture, then need another 50 for Transportation…..the list goes on and on…
This show that the BN sc_mbags like Batok TKS are all politically bankrupt of ideas. They are so desperate and scared stiff to come out with this type of stupid dumb dumb scheme to fool the rakyat. Amazing indeed.
#43 by LBJ on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 6:50 pm
Now we know where they are going. Here is an updated survival guide for the BN YB going to Taiwan.
SURVIVAL GUIDE BN MP STUDY TOUR
=================================
This retreat and subsequently re-named as study trip forthe honourable MPs from Barisan is a serious affair. We have many member of the house on this trip and hope proper security and safety measures are taken. They must not be put into harms way for actions or inactions of the YBs.
1. You are going to Taiwan but make sure your plane do not land in Mongolia. Malaysians, especially BN MPs are not very welcome there now. Some of you may be unfortunate enough to be blown to smithereens with C4.
2. Make sure you keep your passport personally. Do not let your tour leader keep it for you. Your tour leader can loose your passport if you are not cooperative. We do not want that to happen, do we?.
3. Do not switch on your mobile phone. If you are taken to an area that do not have mobile phone coverage, so much the better. Anwar may call you. You do not want to receive this call.
4. Do not use the hotel telephone. Use the public telephone. And do not use the same public telephone every day. Make it difficult for other people to listen in.
5. If you hold any discussion in your room, use the bath room. Keep the tap running. It is more difficult for listening devices to work properly with running water.
6. If you have to talk in public, use code words. Anwar’s agents can be anywhere.
7. If you have a meeting, do not sit near the window. Conversation can be listened from a distance by using laser beams to modulate the window glass. If you are not sure what this mean, go ask an engineer.
8. Do not go out alone. Go in 2s or 3s. In this way, :
(a) you have witnesses if you are approached by Anwar’s agents
(b) You reduce the risk of being kidnapped and brainwashed to cross over to the opposition
(c) You reduce the risk of being kidnapped and disappeared without a trace if you are a suspect of crossover
Always watch your back.
9. Be careful on what you say on the golf course. A directional microphone can pick up your words from a distance. If you are not sure what this mean, go ask an engineer. Best is if you do not go near any golf course.
10. If you want to have some fun in your room. You know what I mean. Check for hidden cameras. If you need more advise, call Chua Soi Lek.
11. Do not fall for the honey pot trap. It can be a male or female kind. If you fall into one, make a police report. Else you will be blackmailed to do things you don’t want to do. That is not good for you. Also, be prepared for DVDs with you as the star.
12. If you hear a knock on your hotel door, pretend you did not hear it. If it become persistent, call hotel security. This is not Santa Clause.on the other side of the door.
13. Practice safe sex. Otherwise the good lady Marina Mahatir will bec ome very upset with a YB who increases the HIV+ count and set a bad example to boot. You do not want to cross the good lady.
14. Do not be photographed in Zhong Shan in Taipeh and other red light districts. Uou don’t want to be embarrassed when questions are raised on where have you been? Remember, always watch your back.
15, Ask you fellow MPs to surrender their mobile phones and cameras when they go to your room. You don’t want a Lingamgate, do you?
16. Check with your family every 24hours. Instruct them to inform the authority when they don’t hear from you after 24 hours. Give them a copy of your itinerary. Make sure it has a day by day itinerary. This may be the only clue available to look for you.
17. It is strongly suggested that you give a copy of your itinerary to the friendly press. In the event no one ever hear from you again, there may be a curious soul from the press who want to investigate the case of the missing YB. There is still hope
for closure.
18. Make sure you bring along your rubber boots. This is an agriculture study tour. You may step over some manure along the way.
19. If you are taken on a mountain tour of Alisan Mountain, make sure the bus is in proper condition. Refuse to get on the bus if you suspect the condition. Make sure the driver is alert and has sufficient rest. Refuse to get on the bus if you
suspect his condition. 49 by-elections will be very helpful to the opposition. You do not want that, do you?
20. Make sure you are properly disinfected before arriving back in Malaysia. You have been visiting plants and animals. Failure to do so could result in you being placed in quarantine. It may not be a bad thing. Anwar’s people cannot get to you.
21. If you are thinking of buying gifts, the following items are high appreciated.
(a) mobile signal jammer – all YBs are looking for one. Every Minister want one
(b) hidden camera seeker – ditto
Seeking these items brings focus to the high tech production study tour. These thoughtful gift will endear you to the receivers
22. Taiwanese hospitality means drinking you to under the table. People say things they should not say, when they are not in control of their faculty. Be careful.
23. You are on official parliament business. You are representing Malaysia. Make sure you are properly attired when in public. And make sure you wear your name tag.
24. Do not make the same mistake as Muhammed Taib. Do not carry to much cash in your briefcase. If you are stopped by Taiwan Customs, pretend you don’t speak Mandarin, Teochew, Hokkien or English. Better still, act deaf and dumb.
25. Keep a record of your visit and activity. Take photographs and videos. These are good evidence that you are really working. Better still, share these with the public so that they too can learn about agricultural techniques and high tech production. If you do not know how to start a website , consult Raja Petra. He will be more than pleased to help you.
26. Finally, make sure your trip organizer have travel insurance for you.. Make sure your life insurance cover overseas trip.
Remember, you are a YB. Ten thousand eyes are watching. Keep your chin up and walk straight. Have a safe trip!
#44 by ahkok1982 on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 7:21 pm
Learning about agriculture in Taiwan? Why Taiwan of all places?
Things on my WHY list is:
#1
TAIWAN has a different climate compared to MALAYSIA so WHY do the YB’s need to go all the way to TAIWAN to learn about agriculture. The things that TAIWAN plant are different.
#2
The main item in TAIWAN’s agriculture list is PIGS. Yes, Taiwan’s main produce is PORK. So does all the YB’s wanna go to pet the piglets?
#3
Plant wise, TAIWAN’s main produce is Sugarcane, Rice and watermelons (in descending order)… In MALAYSIA’s case, only Rice will be on the top of the list. Sugarcane and watermelons are just minor productions. So is BERNAS doing a lousy job that up to 41 YB’s who have no experience or knowledge in agriculture need to go to TAIWAN to learn instead of people from the agriculture field?
BN is really getting worse in telling lies…
#45 by riversandlakes on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 7:36 pm
Yeah, why Taiwan? That island is filled with “pendatang” that end up here :D
#46 by Bobster on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 7:41 pm
These BN cronies really digging their own graves and making fools of themselves … from Permatang Pauh election till now.
Rakyat seriously lossing more and more respect and trust with this government. Why need to flee if BN getting huge mandate from the rakyat as claimed by the sleeping PM?! PM just shot himself on the feet.
YOU DAYS ARE NUMBERED BN! YOU FLEES EVEN NO ENEMY CHASING! What A BIG SHAME!
#47 by my on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 8:26 pm
study trip eh?? make sure to ask them what they gain from the ‘study trip’, whether this trip is beneficial to the country or otherwise.
#48 by cactus of sarawak on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 8:30 pm
Dear YB LKS,
Why is our BN government did not recognize Taiwan degree in the first place and now they go to Taiwan for an educational trip. Where are their stand? Maybe now they realized that we can learn from taiwan after failling to learn from Japan for the past 20 years? One very simple thing that they fail to realize, resign if they fail to perform by the right of the people. Why don’t they go to Philipine? Oooh..YB DSAI had been there few years ago. How about Brunei? Cannot, because all the MPs can use van sapu to meet YB DSAI in Kuching or Miri. Then, maybe Indonesia? Also cannot because MPs from Malaysia are considered as foreigner and they might be attacked like the one happened in Bali. There are so many possibilities…
#49 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 8:45 pm
zak_hammad.
the muslims will choose this time to do the ummrah. not a field trip to taiwan.
#50 by Loh on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 8:49 pm
AAB was willing to be out of power on 17 September, but definitely not on 16 September. For that, AAB’s trusted aid will have to hold the passports of all the other MPs on study tour. But what is there to stop them getting a temporary travel document to return on the 14th or even 15th, and be part of the new government on 16 September as Anwar has planned?
We shall have a good laugh on 16th September.
It has been said that the Ahmad Ismail’s statement might be turned into something whereby an excuse could be created to declare a state of emergency. It was done before, and could be repeated. The emergency declared by Thai PM brought out a statement by the Army chief that security forces are behind the population when they are united, not when they are divided. He chose to do nothing, and there is still peace. That should inspire their counterparts elsewhere.