Comments on: Revolt by Ahmad Ismail and 13 Penang UMNO divisions latest and probably most critical challenge to Abdullah’s power-transition plan http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/ for Malaysia Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:56:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: swee_ann_tweety http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-132305 swee_ann_tweety Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:09:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/#comment-132305 Have you seen his apology video ? LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqaQM36P5GM Have you seen his apology video ? LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqaQM36P5GM

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-131533 sotong Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:53:35 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/#comment-131533 The past experience has shown that if racist leaders/politicians are allowed to say what they want unchallenged, in particular from their own leaders, their followers will think it is their right to say the same thing to incite racial hatred and division damaging to a multi racial country. The past experience has shown that if racist leaders/politicians are allowed to say what they want unchallenged, in particular from their own leaders, their followers will think it is their right to say the same thing to incite racial hatred and division damaging to a multi racial country.

]]> By: fish-warezmasterz http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-131530 fish-warezmasterz Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:48:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/#comment-131530 well played DAP leaders..when several chinese reporter wrote this thing.all chinese people are angry! im also angry! buy hey,cant u see YB Lim is good enough making all chinese in Malaysia angry?? He keeps on playing this racial issue,but still dont want to admit he is racist.DAP is again a Chinese chauvinistic party.i do agree with azk.Stop this thing laa..we all immigrants! all of us are equal then.but please,learn history.do not refer to 1900 only,refer to 1800 and older.have u ever heard kesultanan cina pulau pinang? or any state? no right?? even this land was called tanah melayu (malay land).this land has its owner,long before we were born..i respect that malays came before us.so why we want to argue history.i dont want to become like ungrateful Singaporean who doesnt want to respect Malaysia. i also mix.my grandmother,greatgrandmother were chinese.but now im Malaysian.im more grateful to be awarded as a Malaysian even i cant speak Malaysia language fluently like native Malays.but hey...do you love to see 13th may riot again??? read this;if DAP is not racist,why only 1 Malay exco (PKR) in Penang?? plus Deputy CM,made 2 malays only?? malays are 30-45% of Penang's population but given only 1 exco??? before this,Gerakan gave 4 Exco.see.if u say DAP is multiracial,or Malaysian Malaysia party then it should be based on population.not chinese dominant!!! DAP for bangsa Malaysia,or for Chinese?? well played DAP leaders..when several chinese reporter wrote this thing.all chinese people are angry! im also angry! buy hey,cant u see YB Lim is good enough making all chinese in Malaysia angry?? He keeps on playing this racial issue,but still dont want to admit he is racist.DAP is again a Chinese chauvinistic party.i do agree with azk.Stop this thing laa..we all immigrants! all of us are equal then.but please,learn history.do not refer to 1900 only,refer to 1800 and older.have u ever heard kesultanan cina pulau pinang? or any state? no right?? even this land was called tanah melayu (malay land).this land has its owner,long before we were born..i respect that malays came before us.so why we want to argue history.i dont want to become like ungrateful Singaporean who doesnt want to respect Malaysia.

i also mix.my grandmother,greatgrandmother were chinese.but now im Malaysian.im more grateful to be awarded as a Malaysian even i cant speak Malaysia language fluently like native Malays.but hey…do you love to see 13th may riot again???

read this;if DAP is not racist,why only 1 Malay exco (PKR) in Penang?? plus Deputy CM,made 2 malays only?? malays are 30-45% of Penang’s population but given only 1 exco??? before this,Gerakan gave 4 Exco.see.if u say DAP is multiracial,or Malaysian Malaysia party then it should be based on population.not chinese dominant!!! DAP for bangsa Malaysia,or for Chinese??

]]> By: yip_83 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-131522 yip_83 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:30:16 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/#comment-131522 l realise one thing, this Ahmad Ismail is quite stupid to saying that "Chinese are immigrants and squatting in Malaysia". 1st, because according to the history, Malaysia is own by orang asli. So if let say, we are being racist to Malaysia, what about with your guys? And who are the person who came to Malaysia from Indonesia because of runaway from the enermy? Do he still remember that? Or else, he was sleeping when having Sejarah classes? 2nd, let say he know nothing, what about with government? Government was always saying that, Malaysia is a "berbilang bangsa" country. When they facing problem, will push this topic to aborigines. For example, for Osama cases, they was scare and can't do anything and just keep saying that, "Malaysia is a "berbilang bangsa" country". So since he (Ahmad Ismail) was saying that, did he realise that he feel shame on himself. 3rd, we (chinese) are just waiting for your apologise, is that really hard to say the word "l'm sorry" ? And please ask himself, what did he sacrifice to country? Did he done well on his job? l realise one thing, this Ahmad Ismail is quite stupid to saying that “Chinese are immigrants and squatting in Malaysia”.
1st, because according to the history, Malaysia is own by orang asli. So if let say, we are being racist to Malaysia, what about with your guys? And who are the person who came to Malaysia from Indonesia because of runaway from the enermy? Do he still remember that? Or else, he was sleeping when having Sejarah classes?
2nd, let say he know nothing, what about with government? Government was always saying that, Malaysia is a “berbilang bangsa” country. When they facing problem, will push this topic to aborigines. For example, for Osama cases, they was scare and can’t do anything and just keep saying that, “Malaysia is a “berbilang bangsa” country”. So since he (Ahmad Ismail) was saying that, did he realise that he feel shame on himself.
3rd, we (chinese) are just waiting for your apologise, is that really hard to say the word “l’m sorry” ?
And please ask himself, what did he sacrifice to country? Did he done well on his job?

]]> By: boh-liao http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-131489 boh-liao Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:51:04 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/#comment-131489 Ahmad Ismail and 13 Penang Umno divisions that backed Ahmad’s stance of no apology for his offensive, insensitive and racist reference to the Chinese as “orang tumpang” declared openly: Ahmad Ismail will not say sorry. <b>Why, why, why? We may ask. Why Ahmad Ismail will not say sorry? Answer: Because Ahmad Ismail loves all Malaysians deeply. "Love means never having to say you're sorry!" (Love Story)</b><b></b> Ahmad Ismail and 13 Penang Umno divisions that backed Ahmad’s stance of no apology for his offensive, insensitive and racist reference to the Chinese as “orang tumpang” declared openly: Ahmad Ismail will not say sorry.

Why, why, why? We may ask. Why Ahmad Ismail will not say sorry?

Answer: Because Ahmad Ismail loves all Malaysians deeply.

“Love means never having to say you’re sorry!” (Love Story)

]]> By: justice4allraces http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-131450 justice4allraces Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:12:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/#comment-131450 This an utter outrage! What Ismail had said can not only spark a possible racial riot in a multi-ethnic society like Malaysia but also shows he has a backward mentality. Do we want to see the May 13 riot repeat itself in this day and age? The answer is "No", no more and never again. How dare he called the Chinese Malaysians "squatters" and "pendatang"! To be frank, men like Ismail is a social threat and do not belong in a country which its society is ethnically diverse. If he has the guts to call the Chinese Malaysians "squatters" or "pendatang" why can't he be man enough to say his apologies for his misdemeanour? An apology is not enough and perhaps he should be stood down, be barred from any political party, be stripped of his Datukship and serve his punishment to teach him a lesson. This will be a lesson for those who dare to consider of incurring racial sentiments among Malaysian brothers. Datuk Ahmad Ismail should have learnt his history properly that Malaysia was not built by the Malays alone but by many hands of different creed, ethnicity and religion. Without the different races, would it be possible to see Malaysia standing tall alongside with other first-class nations today in 2008? He should have thought of the consequences of his words for words can not only cut like a knife but they are also not easy to be taken back when they hurt others. This an utter outrage!

What Ismail had said can not only spark a possible racial riot in a
multi-ethnic society like Malaysia but also shows he has a backward
mentality. Do we want to see the May 13 riot repeat itself in this day and age? The answer is “No”, no more and never again.

How dare he called the Chinese Malaysians “squatters” and “pendatang”! To be frank, men like Ismail is a social threat and do not belong in a country which its society is ethnically diverse. If he has the guts to call the Chinese Malaysians “squatters” or “pendatang” why can’t he be man enough to say his apologies for his misdemeanour?

An apology is not enough and perhaps he should be stood down, be
barred from any political party, be stripped of his Datukship and
serve his punishment to teach him a lesson. This will be a lesson for
those who dare to consider of incurring racial sentiments among
Malaysian brothers.

Datuk Ahmad Ismail should have learnt his history properly that
Malaysia was not built by the Malays alone but by many hands of
different creed, ethnicity and religion. Without the different races,
would it be possible to see Malaysia standing tall alongside with other first-class nations today in 2008? He should have thought of the consequences of his words for words can not only cut like a knife but they are also not easy to be taken back when they hurt others.

]]> By: m.rakyat http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-131396 m.rakyat Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:01:12 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/#comment-131396 Well, though Ahmad Ismail is racist but the chinese as a whole is to be blamed for this. The chinese as a whole ask for it generally. One hand don’t clap. If the chinese is vocal enough and unselfish all these while, then this kind of thing won’t happen. In general, when come to issue and problem, chinese will choose to stay away and hide in their own house. When there is benefit, the chinese will be the first one to share the distribution of benefit. That’s chinese. Chinese always like to protest in silent. If so, then better suffer in silent and accept everything in silent. The chinese ask for everything. Well, though Ahmad Ismail is racist but the chinese as a whole is to be blamed for this. The chinese as a whole ask for it generally.

One hand don’t clap. If the chinese is vocal enough and unselfish all these while, then this kind of thing won’t happen. In general, when come to issue and problem, chinese will choose to stay away and hide in their own house. When there is benefit, the chinese will be the first one to share the distribution of benefit. That’s chinese.

Chinese always like to protest in silent. If so, then better suffer in silent and accept everything in silent. The chinese ask for everything.

]]> By: lopez http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-131336 lopez Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:19:04 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/#comment-131336 Ever thought how and where did your forefathers disembark when their boats landed on the shores of British Malaya. How are they transported to the mines, do they walk, by bullock cart, where are these roads. What was the boat names, who were these merchants who brought your forefather to this forsaken troubled land. The british has learnt that your forefathers are dirt hardworking and so damn self motivated in the Pearl river estuary. You are hungry to the bones, your kinsmen are hungry to the bones, your child dont live up to 20 years old if you can get a wife. Those days When you are in your teens you are at your prime it is do or die. This is in your blood, your forefathers begets the harsh treatment of the CHINGS and their corrupt feudal ways. They is no other choice you sell yourself for a bowl of rice and leave for the british malaya. Each of us has our story, the bottom line is no food, no future, no opportunity, no hope. Where are the tears of your forefathers when they board the forsaken boat, mind you some never arrived at all. Over the years, nobody cares for you, the kapitan china did his small part, the tongs did their part, the kongsi did their part too. But what sucks is when a baba says he and his friends did their part, if we look closely he really did his part in saving his own arse. You see in the 1900 to 1945 there is a missing part of our history which is either deliberately left out or conveniently disappeared. Maybe i could be wrong , perhaps those who professed can show where are these sources , but they dont have to intepret them, Overseas Chinese is such a phenomena, it does not end in british malaya, it is global and there is no other. As for our bolihland politicks , it is only at infancy stage of a nation, every body is trying to eatablish a precedent so that their future generations are not deprived. I say my foot what is there to be deprived when there is nothing left. Ever thought how and where did your forefathers disembark when their boats landed on the shores of British Malaya.
How are they transported to the mines, do they walk, by bullock cart, where are these roads.

What was the boat names, who were these merchants who brought your forefather to this forsaken troubled land.
The british has learnt that your forefathers are dirt hardworking and so damn self motivated in the Pearl river estuary.
You are hungry to the bones, your kinsmen are hungry to the bones, your child dont live up to 20 years old if you can get a wife. Those days When you are in your teens you are at your prime it is do or die.
This is in your blood, your forefathers begets the harsh treatment of the CHINGS and their corrupt feudal ways.
They is no other choice you sell yourself for a bowl of rice and leave for the british malaya. Each of us has our story, the bottom line is no food, no future, no opportunity, no hope.
Where are the tears of your forefathers when they board the forsaken boat, mind you some never arrived at all.
Over the years, nobody cares for you, the kapitan china did his small part, the tongs did their part, the kongsi did their part too.
But what sucks is when a baba says he and his friends did their part, if we look closely he really did his part in saving his own arse.

You see in the 1900 to 1945 there is a missing part of our history which is either deliberately left out or conveniently disappeared. Maybe i could be wrong , perhaps those who professed can show where are these sources , but they dont have to intepret them,

Overseas Chinese is such a phenomena, it does not end in british malaya, it is global and there is no other.

As for our bolihland politicks , it is only at infancy stage of a nation, every body is trying to eatablish a precedent so that their future generations are not deprived. I say my foot what is there to be deprived when there is nothing left.

]]> By: Steven http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-131277 Steven Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:19:16 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/09/06/revolt-by-ahmad-ismail-and-13-penang-umno-divisions-latest-and-probably-most-critical-challenge-to-abdullahs-power-transition-plan/#comment-131277 I feel we all have to be very very careful here.....don't play into their dirty hands! It's quite obvious that there is a personal political agenda there. This Penang fellow hadn't got what he wanted during the Gerakan years and now with PR as the state government, he has a lost more to lose. So it's all a matter of money...money...money...as Lim Keng Yaik so aptly puts it. He is also playing this up to create more political chaos in the run up to Sept 16. Quite rightly, all Malaysians regardless of race and beliefs, should stand together, unite and ensure that PR gets in as the federal government...soon! I feel we all have to be very very careful here…..don’t play into their dirty hands! It’s quite obvious that there is a personal political agenda there. This Penang fellow hadn’t got what he wanted during the Gerakan years and now with PR as the state government, he has a lost more to lose. So it’s all a matter of money…money…money…as Lim Keng Yaik so aptly puts it. He is also playing this up to create more political chaos in the run up to Sept 16. Quite rightly, all Malaysians regardless of race and beliefs, should stand together, unite and ensure that PR gets in as the federal government…soon!

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