Honestly suggested few big names of Must see video –
Muslim Scholars
Dr Zakir Naik ( Medical Doctor)
Dr Bilal Phillip ( Muslim Convert)
Dr Jamal Badawi (Scholar)
Abdur Raheem Green ( Muslim Convert)
Yusuf Estes ( Muslim Convert)

Just type the names on youtube.com and all questions answered.

“This is a sad fact of life , and the duty falls upon each and every Muslim to rise and air their dissatisfaction. It is the Muslims who will have the biggest impact in correcting some injustices that are done in their name”

100% agreed with what you said but we are not seeing this here. Instead every time when the public wants to discuss about religions ( and almost anything concerning the country) the flag of sensitive issue is being raised to prevent it from happening. Islam is being hijacked by “so called” adherents for their ends and give Islam a bad name? We have a 60% muslim population and how many muslims stand up to correct the injustices done in their name; to give the non muslims a correct picture of Islam and its true teachings and to quell their fears. Instead this sad state of affair is left hanging and the non muslims are asked to accept an Islamic type of govt. Yes the change has to come from both sides but like you say the muslims have biggest impact and I think the first move has to come from the muslims. Non muslims like me dont like to be called anti Islam. I am not anti any religion. If this is sad state of affair is not corrected how can non muslims feel secured and protected under an Islamic govt.

>> If we follow the theory of majority rules, then it is ok.

I’m glad we agree with this fundamental rule. Now, where the rights of the minorities are being ignored, this is where the challenge lies for us all.

I believe BN have proved a failur and Pakatan will also fail because they are on the other extreme of the political spectrum. I agree with Mahathir’l latest article at chedet that “Far from the opposition’s win being brought about by rejection of racial politics, it has actually enhanced racial politics.”

Now – Bangsa Malaysia (or Malaysian Nation): This is a tough cookie to crack. I believe this can be possible through integration as someone pointed as as part of 3 possible scenarios. How do we get this integration when the various races do not even mix with each other and are continually suspicious of each other. It needs a generation to overcome the current deadlock. Your suggestions are as good as mine.

Political change is never a 100% surety for change of the mindset. Again, I repeat that geo-social politics is a global trend that is as old as governments themselves. Will be close to impossible to change this.

For example, how do you convince a state like Kelantan that their interests will be best served by a secular DAP? Even if the DAP are more than competent, they will be rejected on the simple platform of religious affliliation. How do you convince a state like Sarawak that their interests will be best served by a PAS? Even if PAS are more than competent, they will be rejected on the simple platform of racial/religious affliliation.

Correct me if I’m wrong and I’ll be happy to pick this discussion up later.

Good day.

>> Don’t you see something peculiar here in Malaysia, that the Malays seem to be treating religion as a “possession”. They seem to be very possessive of Islam: nobody, other than a Muslim is supposed to touch on Islam.

There are 2 aspects to this: One is that unless you are qualified in Arabic and the sciences of Islam, it is arrogance to want to speak about something that one does not truly understand (esp. of the finder points of creed and jurisprudence). Would not ask a Bhuddist to explain Christianity? Would it be even more unnerving to explain it to a Christian. Again this would not be a problem if indeed he is qualified to do so and/or for academic studies. We know how ignorance and misinformation can quickly lead to very explosive situations.

Second is that for some UMNOputeras in Malaysia, Islam is a source of protection for their political agendas. They know that using the “Islamic-pretext”, they can pretty much get away with anything, even if they are not practising and even when Islam does not condone their actions. This is the sad fact of life, and the duty falls upon each and every Muslim to rise and air their dissatisfaction. It is the Muslims who will have the biggest impact in correcting some injustices that are done in their name: We have extremism and terrorism as other uglies to deal with!

>> In order to learn about anything, religion included, one would question and enquire, argue and contemplate, disagree and wonder aloud about this and that.

Indeed Islam asks mankind to contemplate; Whether one chooses to accept Islam or not is NOT the issue, it is actually getting it’s real and unadulterated message across. The discerning person makes his/her own mind.

>> All these processes should not be seen as “questioning” and disrespecting Islam.

I believe there are ways and methods to do this. Most are done at academic instututions and debating societies, others are done through published works and yet others through informed forums. What is unwise is to go about doing this in a knee-jerk reaction or organising last minute forums.

>> But if you start questioning fundamental points and try to comprehend the practices of Islam, as an approach to under the religion, you would come under attack for sure by Muslims here.

I have never found Muslims attack anyone for questioning any aspect of Islam (not to say it does not happen). I can tell you that I for one, enjoy very much discussing Islam and giving and answering and counter-answering questions that others may have. In fact, I became a Muslim after 6 months of my own vigorous questioning various people and places in the UK. Today there is a vibrant debate scene in London esp. when we take delight that we are not there to convince anyone, it is making available authentic info to the public domain. Essentially, in Islam it is the Almighty who guides, humans do not as the Qur’an states.

>> I often observe that some people who practice Islam here do not exhibit the virtues required of them?

I could not agree more. If it were for the characters of some Muslims, I would never have become Muslim. I had to rise above and beyond what I saw and it was not until Hajj that I was truly content with my choice.

The virtues that you speak of are inherent parts of Islam. What I would however ask of you is to always see the “context” of everything you question. Where Islam promotes peace, stability and tolerance, it also defends war if the need arises. I do not know the full details of your example of barging into private property, but this is unacceptable if done on an ad hoc basis to impose on the occupants. What were they accused of?

>> There are just too many instances where the virtues of the religion were not practised or exhibited. Perhaps that contribute to what you have often brought up: “Islamophobia”.

Agreed. But I do distinguish between sincere misinformation and misinterpretation and deliberate maligning of Islam by some quarters. Primarily, it is indeed the Muslims who need to lead by example to counter the negativities that Islam has become the target of. We can not shoot a reporter who publishes a story about indicents involving Muslims, but we certainly can show the reporter the other reality that he may have overlooked. In their quest for senationalism, I have seen how disproportionate reporting can lead to ill-will.

For What ever reason best known to you my word priviledge has wrongly quoted and your comment obviously ran out of context. Do you know we have laws here in Malaysia governing every one including the Malay as well as the non Malay? or else you mean the none Malays are all clean or of exceptional? There are cases involving billions of Ringgit. So what? wrong is wrong wake up.

We are talking about social contract which was agreed upon for a safe living of all Malaysian. The racist is just the real culpurit and our common enemy in the real world of racial.

Some Malaysian feel stressed when they actually NEVER being pressed. They’re not to change their Chinese or Indian name like what is being practice in the next door country as part of the process to make they like ‘The Original” and love the country.
The word Malay does not refer others but the Malaysian Malay and YOU KNOW that.

As for ktteokt Says.

“If in doubt, please read Charles Darwins “Origin of Species” to understand the attitude of the Malays!”

No,… Go and read ‘ Spectrum of Chinese Culture by Lee Siow Mong.. “Million of Chinese have migrated …particularly in south East Asia”

“Malay is the original” says mcy0077.
Indian muslim’s, Indon’s and Filipino’s are also Malays and therefore ‘the original’.

“If not provoked the Malay will not harm the Chinese and the Indian” says mcy0077
mcy077 believes that because he is ‘the original’ he is the King of this land and that gives him the right to take violent actions against anyone he pleases.

“Malaysia is originally owned by the Malay who asked a little extra privilege” says mcy0077
mcy0077 the UMNOputra feels that the billions upon billions of ringgit of rakyat’s money siphoned off is just “a little extra privilege” that is rightfully due him because of his skin colour.

“But why now the Chinese and Indian are not happy? …because they don’t believe in crash helmet, safety belt or live jacket. They are now governed by their own sentiment” says mcy0077
Maybe you should talk to one of your chinese or indian friends and ask them why they are not happy. But i doubt you have anyone you could really call a friend that is not of the same race as you.

But i’ll just answer you that the reason you gave is the reason provided by your UMNO masters. Not the real reason why the non-Malays are unhappy.

Repost due to many mistake in the earlier posting

We can have millions of comments here but what do we get?, heart burning. Between the three brothers ethnic of Malaysia the Malay, Chinese and Indian, actually is a none issue. Yes no issue at all if every one accept the fact that the Malay is the coolest hearted majority of Malaysia in many ways it as originator of this lovely country.

No doubt every person experienced unhappiness over one another, yes. This is just like sometime somebody does not like something, BUT when you accept the facts that you cannot do much, is just like wearing a life jacket living in a flooded area and everything should be OK. Every one believe that.

For example, when we stopped by a policeman for traffic offenses do you think we will happily accept the summon ticket and say .. oh ya thank you mr policeman for teaching me “speeding means money, and next time I promise not to waste money any more” Should we say that?,… Yes, why not? BUT How many people do that. They angrily accepted the summons because they have to.
AND NOTHING HAPPENED.

Do you think that the only summon they will receive? no. They ‘ll only stop doing the offense when somebody else say to them ..
ayo ” speeding means life”,… you got it?

The same thing goes to the racial issue that we’re here busy with. The Fact remains the Malay is the original and Majority among the Malaysian. If not provoked the Malay will not harm the Chinese and the Indian. I can say for sure no, 100% not if the later agreed with the fact that Malaysia is originally owned by the Malay who asked a little extra privilege and most of same wrights shared with the other citizens.

But why now the Chinese and Indian are not happy? not like what they were during the time of Tun Tan Siew Sin and Tun Sambanthan? Why not? because they don’t believe in crash helmet, safety belt or live jacket. They are now governed by their own sentiment. Yes, true we are trapped and burning ourself now in the hell fire of the chauvinist Blog here?

Sorry, hope done. Thanks

No doubt every person experienced unhappiness over one another, yes. This is just like sometime somebody does not like something but when you accept the facts that you cannot do much, is just like wearing a life jacket and everything is OK.

For example, when we stopped by a policeman for a traffic offense do you think we will happily accept the summon and say oh ya thanks mr policeman for teaching me “speeding means money, and next time I promise not to waste chauvinist
any more” Should we say that?,… Yes, why not? BUT How many people do that. They angrily accepted the summons because they have to.
How many summons do they have now? They ‘ll only stop when somebody else say to them ayo ” speeding means life”, you got it?
The same thing goes to the issue that we’re here busy with. The Fact remains and if not provoked the Malay will not harm the Chinese and Indian, I can say no, 100% sure if the later agreed with the fact as what they did during Tun Tan Siew Sin and Tun Sambanthan. Why not now? because they don’t believe in crash helmet, safety belt or live jacket. Why are we burning ourself in the chauvinist Blog here?

Sorry, hope done. Thank You

the bus idea – yeah don’t forget that bus went for inspection at Puspakom.

“You have also missed out the most crucial factor in all this: Islam. Faith as they say, is thicker than blood”.

Now we know why the Sunni and Shia Muslims are still trying to settle their differences.

when we need to compare we need to set parameters and to compare chinese with another , i can say the romans are close but they are no more in existence.

So if our academians is trying to reengineer a race , please reengineer others and not the CHINESE, they are ever changing and adaptive in the best way that their 4000 years history has taught them.

So those academains in bolihland who are getting paid to create a bangsa, please dont waste the nations money, quit that job and do yourself a favour and go learn to do something useful for your own sake.
And collectively we make a nation like our immediate neighbhours and forget all nonsense found in the social studies the white men has prepared for you.

If we follow the theory of majority rules, then it is ok. But only an arrogant fool would ignore the wishes of the other 40% just because they are the minory.Any ship that has 40% of it’s crew steering the ship other than the direction that the 60% has decided on ain’t gonna be getting anywhere anytime soon.

The point about bangsa Malaysia is to get all 100% on board and to work together for a common cause. It’s not about making everyone the same. It’s the opposite. It’s about embracing diversity.

zak_hammaad Says:
“…if you tell me whether you understand Bangsa to be in the context of a nation or a race.”
Nation of course. Trying to define ‘race’ purely depends on ones point of view.

Example, The ‘Chinese’ consists over 50 different ‘races’. Of these the most dominant is the Han chinese. The concept of a single Chinese race only emerged in the 20th century to differentiate them from the Europeans. Study the ‘Malay’ race and you will find a very similar story. Today, Chinese-Malays, Indian muslims, Filipinos and Indonesians are all are also Malays. So what is the ‘specifications’ of a Malay ‘race’?

All empires whether they are Christian, Roman,Muslim, Chinese, Buddhist, Aztec Hindu, Indian etc had their golden days and then degenerate due to many varied reasons and factors. Some may experience revival others dont. Correct me if I read you wrong . You seem to be advocating that this country should be governed just like (or something similair) as in the zenith of muslim civilisation. But where do we find such politicians in the mould of the past enlightened muslim rulers in present day Malaysia ? Do we have muslim politicians who possess such purity of faith?

According to you PR is bound to fail and BN is
already a failure. So the existing poltical alliances are not to mark. Is your third way or middle way the way of the past enlightened muslim rulers in govervning their empire and subjects ( ofcos with modifications to suit the present time)when you said that the present govt failed to apply Islamic principles in running the country

Don’t you see something peculiar here in Malaysia, that the Malays seem to be treating religion as a “possession”. They seem to be very possessive of Islam: nobody, other than a Muslim is supposed to touch on Islam. I cannot comprehend this, cannot see the logic and to disagree with the attitude.

In order to learn about anything, religion included, one would question and enquire, argue and contemplate, disagree and wonder aloud about this and that. All these processes should not be seen as “questioning” and disrespecting Islam. It is part and parcel of the learning process before one can get into the gist of it all. But if you start questioning fundamental points and try to comprehend the practices of Islam, as an approach to under the religion, you would come under attack for sure by Muslims here.

Why? Are those Muslims here who always seem to come to the “defence” of Islam can claim to be learned enough in the teachings of the religion? The reason I ask this question is that as a person believing in the good and truth of Islam (which teaches one to practise good virtues, to be truthful, humble, patient, magnanimous, respectful of others, to be clean in body and mind, etc. etc.), I often observe that some people who practice Islam here do not exhibit the virtues required of them?

For example, for those who claim to be a Muslim first, Malay second, why do they barged into a private property when a meeting is going on? Is that the way to “defend” the religion?

A more recent example is that people who are seen as Muslims were heard calling for a news reporter “to be shot”. No matter what the poor guy had reported, such remarks should not have come from a truly religious person.

There are just too many instances where the virtues of the religion were not practised or exhibited. Perhaps that contribute to what you have often brought up: “Islamophobia”.

The above writing must be seen as an open discussion to make known our observation and thoughts, and must not be taken as a provocation or attempt to discredit anybody or belittle Islam. As I have said again, and again, I have great respect for Islam and Its teachings.

Correct me where I am wrong. I wished to be enlightened.

Well, at least, TKK heard Ahmad Ismail: Gerakan can always “get out from Barisan Nasional”. So, he vamoosh lah, no loss to Umno!

For once, I find some common ground with you.

To extend your “one step” further, we can see that Mother Earth is the ONE land mankind knows, and that ALL human here are native to that same land. ( makes arguing who is native to which corner the Earth silly and infantile! And that is what I have been trying to convey all this while in the postings. You make my day, and “vindicates” my time spent writing. Thank you. )

If everyone can see this point, and agrees that we are all indeed one humanity, then a lot of problems in Malaysia, and indeed on planet Earth would be solved all at one go.

Same for religion. I have been trying to put across the point that true religions belong to no one ethnic group or individual. It is for ALL humanity.

Now I hope you can see the teaching and revelation that:

God is ONE. ( Oneness of God )
Religion is ONE. ( Oneness of Religion )
Humanity is ONE. ( Oneness of Mankind )

If we reflect on the implications of those teachings, we would be able to see the real possibility of true UNITY among all people of the world.