Maximus and Kota Marudu


Letters
by A concerned Kota Marudu resident

Ref : http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/3/nation/22225285&sec=nation

Here is the local(Kota Marudu) perspective regarding the news.

Maximus Ongkili should be the last person to speak up regarding the issue of anti-hopping. Kota Marudu(P168)- the place that he represented since 1994 is the poorest and most neglected place in Malaysia. The northern and eastern districts of Sabah really deserves more attention from the government.

Here’s why:

1. The road leading to Kota Marudu, Kudat, Pitas are full of potholes, minor land slides and locals can testified that they have not improved for the past 10 years. The properly tarred road stops at Kota Belud. Not surprising as Kota Belud are represented by UMNO and the population mainly comprises Bajau-Muslim. One can see a marked difference in the border between Kota Belud-Kota Marudu, one will come to a stretch of uneven gravel road spanning almost 50 metres. The condition of the road is simply horrendous, causing most vehicles to breakdown after frequent usage. This of course prolong the time taken for the journey from all the northern states connecting Kota Kinabalu. Without proper roads, not surprisingly no development can be seen in these areas. These roads are even worse than the trunk roads that used to connect small towns in peninsulars in the 80s.

2. Electricity – Kota Marudu residents of course are not spared from SESB’s poor quality of service. Breakdown in electricity supply occurs frequently and calls to the office mostly are useless.

3. Water supply gets cut off everytime after heavy rain. The quality of water we receive most times are murky and smelly. This can be evidently seen by just driving past any housing area. Every house will equipped themselves with water tanks and pump, pre-empting water cut which is a weekly affair if not more frequent. It’s such a common sight in Sabah.

4. A very good indicator of standard of living/ poverty will be the healthcare standards. Sabah especially the northern states, record the highest number of cases of Tuberculosis, Leprosy, Malaria in the whole of Malaysia. Maternal mortality rate is much higher compared to all other states. Most children are malnourished with very little reserves, succumbed to illness easily. A doctor from the hospital once says, cases seen at local hospital are often critically ill, making it a miracle if patient can even survive to be sent to a referral hospital in KK.

5. Unemployment rate. A tour of Kota Marudu town or any other districts in Sabah will revealed that most Sabahan youngsters are loitering around. They can be seen mostly at billiard centres – a very common sight in Sabah. No one here seems to be very inspired by the Angkasawan boasted by the Minister in Science and Technology.

6. Teenage pregnancy is alarmingly on the rise.

If there are worse places than this, it would be Pitas, Kinabatangan(Bung), Beluran(Ronald Kiandee). Without the recent political tsunami, no one will pay attention to the plight of Sabahans. All of a sudden, BN leaders from Sabah are being put in so many important positions, a real mockery of how sabahans are treated by the government.

Maximus Ongkili is actually the real betrayer of the people. What clear conscience does he have to mention that MPs from Sabah and Sarawak are cheating the people by joining Pakatan.

What has he done for the people of Kota Marudu for the past 14 years ?

The news report referred to by the writer is the following:

Wednesday September 3, 2008
Ongkili raps Pakatan Rakyat, says ‘jump’ won’t happen

PUTRAJAYA: A Sabah senior politician has told Pakatan Rakyat to stop telling cerita dongeng (folktales) to the rakyat that Barisan Nasional MPs from Sabah and Sarawak will be crossing over because the “jump will never happen”.

Parti Bersatu Sabah deputy president Datuk Dr Maximus Ongkili said he was fed up with Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim for making “baseless and unfounded allegations about us hopping to the Opposition fold” as such claims have sparked concern not only among other Barisan component parties but also the people of the two states.

“Talk about us becoming katak (frogs), jumping to their side is a whole lot of nonsense. We are faithful to Barisan.

“Barisan may not be perfect but it forms the best government Malaysians can ever have. I, for one, am anti-hopping. Those who want to leave the Barisan fold should not cheat the rakyat who had elected them because they were part of the coalition,” he said yesterday.

Dr Ongkili was commenting on claims by Anwar of a “clear and true possibility” that MPs from Sabah and Sarawak were planning to leave the coalition to join Pakatan.

The Kota Marudu MP, who is Science, Technology and Innovation Minister, said if there were MPs who planned to cross over, they should ask for the people’s permission by going for a by-election.

“If the people still choose them even after leaving Barisan, then they can go with a clear conscience. Otherwise, they are only betraying the rakyat,” he said.

On claims that several of his fellow MPs were questioned by the Special Branch on the matter, Dr Ongkili said he was unaware of this, adding that he had not been questioned by the police.

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  1. #1 by my on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 5:53 pm

    At the current state, we cannot depend on MCA+MIC to safeguard the rakyat’s interests in Parliament. Having said that, I disagreed with some of the readers here asking MCA+MIC to pull out from BN. Please allow me to share my view:

    1) Now we have the situation of DAP-PAS-PKR-OTHERS against MCA-MIC-UMNO-OTHERS. This gives us the option to revert back to the old government should they fail to safeguard interest of ALL people. The present/future government will be more considerate and under pressure to please everyone, failing to do so will resulting another ‘tsunami in politics’.

    2) Of course, MIC,MCA, and other parties should prove to the people that they are not merely UMNO’s puppet. pls defend for the right thing and for justice, not for individual gain.

    3) Having said that, (at worst case) we might have a situation where PAS-UMNO against MIC-MCA-DAP-OTHERS where PKR would be the decisive factor. Judging by the growth rate, the ratio between bumis and non-bumis changes from 60-40 and god knows when it will be 80-20, that is when the non-bumis should start packing and leave the country for good. i urged the parties and rakyat to look into this matter. start packing now or start building up your clans NOW!!! :) umno dogs has this vision long ago when they start encouraging the bumis to have more children. this is what we call POLITICS.

    Any constructive criticism/comments to my point are definitely welcomed.

  2. #2 by AsalUsuLMalaysiaHacked on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 6:00 pm

    This bunch of hypocrites shouldn’t be loose.
    That was i suspect from previous post, they might start plotting choas if they loose their power and comes state of emergency for take over!.

    I really hope some student would have recored a vids as evidence,
    This is serious matters, YB Kit should look into.

    Must not let this culprits ruin the young minds for the sake of their own gain.

  3. #3 by waterfrontcoolie on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 6:24 pm

    cintanegara forgot that Sekolah Wawasan is basically ‘sloganeering’ which this Bolehland is number ONE in shouting. All those projects that come with BIG adverts are meant to cheat the rural poors with first impression impact. If the wawasan school is that good , then you won’t find non-Chinese students taking over 10% of the population the the primary Chinese Schools! Every where you see big slogans I can guarantee you big money has been squandered! Among this is the Natinal Service with blockheads, like the example given here, trying to brainwash students whom they forgot are smarter than the DR. holder himself. This reminded me of my friend daughter who told her mother that she had decided not to eat pork because her teacher said the eating that meat could retard one’s brain. Sure enough her classmate, a neighbour’s boy told the same teacher that she herself wasn’t too smart even though she didn’t eat pork! Why? because the mathematic problems she also couldnot solve!!
    [ obviously the boy asked the class teacher a maths problem which she gave up!]
    The sad part of life is just like the saying’ Great men think alike but Fools seldom differ’ because fools like to think others think like them!! Maybe, it is better to leave such megalomanias all to themselves! The more you write about them, the greater their ego!

  4. #4 by pangwl88 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 6:26 pm

    Sorry, my english is not very good….

    MPs in Sabah has ALL betrayed the Sabahans.

    Money politics OVERCOME all sorts of posters, banners, candies…

    99% of Sabahans are poor. An office clerk with SPM earns RM350 to RM500 per month…..

    The 1% rich are the cronies, they earns in the Billions (tax payer’s money)
    (for example : Michael Chia “The Now Disappeared” S$16 million deal..????)

    You want to play politics in Sabah, you need money, not brains and sincerity.
    I saw with my own eyes, people lining up in broad day light to “sell” their I/Cs to a local Tycoon(Proxy Ultimate). I heard they were giving out RM400 for one I/Cs. The Police were blinded, they were too busy “catching” illegals that whole month.

    Shanty Chong was informed, she led a team of DAP members and some police to disperse the crowd. Many of them didn’t get the money that day, i heard they were very angry. This went on for about a week, right before the 308 election.

    It is strange that such events are actually “attractive” to locals. I think they have all but given up with the promises of the Government. All that millions and billions that were promised to Sabah was not to be seen. Where did all the money go?(most probably already banked in to some offshore accts.)

    There is a saying, “If you can’t beat them, join them”.
    I think that is the general consencous during the election.

    It is very brave for Shanty Chong, Anthony Teo, Simon Chok,etc to stand before such great evil and not flinch. I salute you.

    HOWever, it is not without hope.

    A small storm is brewing here……

    A Typhoon it will become….to swept away all corruptions and unjust that is being put on Sabahans.

    There is still light at the end of the tunnel…….

    916. We Awaits.

  5. #5 by chiakchua on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 6:29 pm

    Pairin was once my hero for Kadazan but now I totally lost respect of him. I believe he is now capitalising on his position to enjoy all ministerial benefits for the rest of his life. He is a betrayer of the Kadazan!
    The same goes to Maximus.
    Shame on both of them; we really pray they will come to their sense soon enough to help make the 916 a reality!

  6. #6 by dawsheng on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 6:48 pm

    “At the current state, we cannot depend on MCA+MIC to safeguard the rakyat’s interests in Parliament.” – my

    At any state, we cannot depend on MCA, Gerakan and MIC to safeguard our interest, they were given decades to prove their worth, and yes, now all the top leaders in MCA, Gerakan and MIC prove that they worth damn a lot, and we were made worthless. Trust these MCA, Gerakan and MIC leaders? No, even if the leave UMNO.

  7. #7 by AhPek on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 6:50 pm

    my,

    We haven’t even establihed a 2 party system in our country and we are starting to talk about reverting.Parlimentary Democracy is not an indigenous system, it is borrowed. Besides the democractic tradition is not inherent in the Malaysian or the Asian psyche.We ought to be determined making this 2 party system a reality and for that to take root I reckon PR should be given an opportunity to stay on for at least 2 terms.After all we have BN for 12 terms and don’t tell me you have got accustomed to their sodomising you!!

  8. #8 by dawsheng on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 6:51 pm

    Do you all know why Chua Soi Lek suggested BN should merge into one multi racial party?

  9. #9 by william62 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 6:54 pm

    latest news from Sarawak: It seems that 20 out of the 30+ Sarawak MPs are going to shift to PKR and DAP soon, congratulation!

  10. #10 by pangwl88 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 7:03 pm

    916 !!!!!

  11. #11 by k1980 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 7:14 pm

  12. #12 by my on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 7:37 pm

    Dawsheng+Ah Pek,

    There is no guarantee that the PR will do any better than BN, ‘hope’ is what i can describe under Anwar Ibrahim’s leadership. just like what the people ‘hope’ for under Badawi’s administration 4 years ago. I absolutely agreed that PR deserved to stay on at least 2 terms. what i am trying to point out is we have a choice between UMNO-MIC-MCA and PKR-DAP-PAS to decide, this will put pressure on the FUTURE government to please everyone. In short, we need a strong government as well as strong opposition to watch their back and ready to fire whoever is governing.

    Bear in mind that PAS + DAP has different ideology, failing to compromise means we are reverting back to the old ways. is this the best combination? how sure are you that PAS will not ‘jump’ to BN due to their islamic ideology? from what i am seeing it, yes it will hop at any time.

    that time will be PAS-UMNO-OTHERS against DAP-MIC-MCA. Do you think the minority will have a voice after 50-60yrs from now, judging from the growth rate of bumis and non-bumis? The people are still very inmature to decide which is best for the economic growth because what they had in mind is religion, language, ‘kuota’, defending their rights, defending their ‘house’ and so forth.

    Year 2008 2038++ 2068++
    Young A 16.2 40.5 101.25
    Young B 10.8 16.2 24.3
    Old A 0 16.2 40.5
    Old B 0 10.8 16.2

    Overall A 16.2 56.7 141.75
    Overall B 10.8 27 40.5
    Total 27 83.7 182.25

    % Population A 60.00 67.74 77.78
    % Population B 40.00 32.26 22.22

    this is VERY ROUGH estimate. it is not accurate but true enough to open up your view of the population rate(an example of amoeba growth). Population A = 5 children per couple, population B = 3 children per couple. i am not good at statistic btw.. Population A has higher exponantial growth. in short, failing to compromise between PKR-PAS-DAP will not do the ‘minority’ any good

  13. #13 by william62 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 8:05 pm

    Dear my say:
    Kalau betaul-betul seperti ramalan awak, than it should be DAP????+MCA+PARTIES ???? SABAH ??? SARAWAK, which i think both sides is equal in strength and political influences.

  14. #14 by william62 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 8:06 pm

    Dear my say:
    Kalau betaul-betul seperti ramalan awak, than it should be DAP+MCA+MIC+PARTIES from SABAH & SARAWAK, which i think both sides is equal in strength and political influences.

  15. #15 by my on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 8:08 pm

    can you walk into someone’s house and convince them that you are the owner or deserve equal rights of the property? the first thing you will get is booted out of the house, you might or might not get back the furniture/tv/etc etc that you/your greatgrandparents have invested. this is the reality guys. the only way to stay safe is to acknowledge the landlord but at the same time the landlord has to depend on your investment tv/sofa/etc etc. if they are still not happy with it by impossing so many rules, you can always move to other ‘house’ which welcomes you :) before you start bombarding me, i am not the landlord, just renting their property and ready to move out anytime

  16. #16 by my on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 8:19 pm

    william62,

    i agreed that both sides are equal in strength and political influences. but somehow things will not always be perfectly right. there might be some opportunists from DAP-MIC-MCA-PARTIES fr SABAH and SARAWAK ready to jump to the more superior because of personal gain. and the superior will not jump in to the weaker one because they dont need them.

  17. #17 by bkt916 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 8:30 pm

    “road leading to Kota Marudu, Kudat, Pitas are full of potholes”

    Hi, can any Sabahan upload some photos on this ? A picture is worth a thousand words.

    “Sabah especially the northern states, record the highest number of cases of Tuberculosis, Leprosy, Malaria in the whole of Malaysia.”

    Any one work at MOH can confirm and provide statistics ?

    Thanks !

  18. #18 by Godfather on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 8:31 pm

    Kit:

    You should fire your moderator. All I posted at the top of this thread were two words that can’t possibly be regarded as seditious. The words don’t touch on race or religion. A little disrespectful maybe but judging from what has been posted on the top 2 clowns in this country in this blog, my reference to maximus should even pass the government censors.

  19. #19 by AsalUsuLMalaysiaHacked on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 8:58 pm

    lol! clowns of the thread roflmao, glad me not forget what i said besides im j/k….

    my says:
    “can you walk into someone’s house and convince them that you are the owner or deserve equal rights of the property?”

    Your example doesn’t make any sense to me lol, anyway i accept the reality as this arrogant nerds are not willing to give up their lausy pride. Maybe they carries the bloodline of ancient tribes that name themselves as sea-people(orang laut), today we name them “pirates” from the exile Straits of Malacca.

    Good day.

  20. #20 by dawsheng on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 9:10 pm

    “Bear in mind that PAS + DAP has different ideology, failing to compromise means we are reverting back to the old ways. is this the best combination? how sure are you that PAS will not ‘jump’ to BN due to their islamic ideology? from what i am seeing it, yes it will hop at any time.” – my

    I am definitely supporting PAS joining UMNO but it can not be part of BN as it no longer exist when PAS joined, it’ll be PASUMNO or Parti Islam Melayu or whatever you call it, for that, is the end of the journey for the Islamist and racist political party in Malaysia. Can PAS hop out later on if they can’t reform UMNO? Maybe, but who they are going to join? If PAS leaders are smart, they’ll remain in PR and form the government first.

  21. #21 by dawsheng on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 9:21 pm

    “that time will be PAS-UMNO-OTHERS against DAP-MIC-MCA. Do you think the minority will have a voice after 50-60yrs from now, judging from the growth rate of bumis and non-bumis? The people are still very inmature to decide which is best for the economic growth because what they had in mind is religion, language, ‘kuota’, defending their rights, defending their ‘house’ and so forth.” – my

    PAS want to join UMNO, this nobody can deny, PAS want to join UMNO but not now. PAS will join UMNO maybe after Mukhriz became UMNO’s president. Let us not look at the next fifty years, let us focus on surviving the next five years.

  22. #22 by katdog on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 9:38 pm

    “can you walk into someone’s house and convince them that you are the owner or deserve equal rights of the property?” -my

    Thats strange. Generations of my family has been living in this ‘house’ for 100 years already. 3 generations of my family is buried right here in this land. But how come people whose FATHERS are immigrant Indonesians (e.g. Khir Toyo) are coming into MY house telling me i am only ‘pendatang’ and the house rightfully belongs to them?

    Would you prefer robbers and murderers to stay and sleep in the house together with you just as long as their skin color is the same as yours? Or would you prefer to let in someone who can actually contribute to the growth of the house even though their skin color is different?

  23. #23 by dapsupporter8888 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 9:40 pm

    The thing I still don’t undertsand is this :

    Now, we all know that BN coul still form government this time around was because the majority of the seats came from Johor, Sabah & Sarawak. why only NOW the Sabah & Sarawak people realised how teruk UMNO is? Why now? Why not earlier? If only they have realised earlier, then PR would have governed the country by now. That’s why I keep on saying this : THINK and THINK twice before voting. Your vote will determine the future of Malaysia.

    I read on Malaysiakini that DAMN UMNO goon Ahmad Ismail refused to apologise to the chinese community, in fact he evern questioned WHY he should apologise. Boy oh boy!! Am I dumbfounded by that remark. OK, say what you wanna say. Don’t have to apologise. Even if you apologise, we, the chinese community will NOT accept it. Why? For a simple reason that because that apology did not come sincerely from the heart. You UMNO goons are the GREATEST ACTORS & ACTRESSES in town, I tell ya.

    Somebody sent me an e-mail today – an article written by Raja Petra on what is stopping Anwar from forming the Federal Govt. Interesting. You guys should go to his website to read it.

  24. #24 by year of snake on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 9:48 pm

    Whichever it is A+B+C party or D+E+F party, I hope that Malaysian politics will evolve into a two party systems like US or UK and that the mindset of the people will change and vote for the person basing on his or her qualities instead of just blindly voting for the party even though the candidates are monkeys and donkeys. If this happens, the parties will have to field their best candidates because the people will not vote blindly like what is happening now by voting either for BN or the opposition.

  25. #25 by dapsupporter8888 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 9:50 pm

    cintanegara Says:

    Today at 16: 39.36 (5 hours ago)
    just a moment – Are u sure your dream will come true? Do you think the majority race want to risk thier future by voting PR? U guys were just barking…..
    =================================================

    Look who is the dog now. MCA, MIC, Gerakan and ALL other BN component parties have been a dog who have been caged for the past 51 years. They have been barking till no more voice but UMNO still refuse to listen to them.

    UMNO ask them to sit, they sit, ask them to lick their b*tt, they lick, ask them to eat, they eat, ask them to pang sai, they pang sai… HAIH!! Sad…Sad!!

  26. #26 by pangwl88 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 9:53 pm

    ///dapsupporter8888 Says:
    why only NOW the Sabah & Sarawak people realised how teruk UMNO is? Why now? Why not earlier? If only they have realised earlier,///

    i WAS going to ignore this, but have to say out after looking at your username. I am a DAP supporter myself.

    Regarding the above statement, I THINK they ALL KNEW, but tell that to a farmer who is trying to feed his family…. and with all the Promised Election Candies. You think he will care what will happen in the next 4 years??? He is only thinking about if he can put some bread on the table tonight.

    AND DON’T FORGET, the population BOOM of from the Project-M, i really believe Indonesians and Filipinos out numbered locals here. That was their plan, give them I/C, land, NEPs, for their votes.
    What do you think these “citizens” will do? Do you think they really care???

    We are waging a War here, without guns but with a stick. We need some top guns to come over to lead the fight. So, are you guys ready to come over ????????

  27. #27 by my on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 10:09 pm

    katdog,

    you are right. but still they could argue than their generation has been living probably 200 years already(although there was no fact to support their argument). it goes on and on… in short, they are still the landlord, and you should obey.

    khir toyo was different. imagine someone migrate to other country, he still needs a house. the only way is to please the landlord, rubbing their feet, and fight for the landlord. by doing this way, he wont be booted out of the house too… my guess is khir toyo an opportunist. if you ever read his writing/blog, just focus on the last 2 lines. that is the whole point of his writing. the rest are just sweet talks and to ‘win’ back support from ppl. he is still in his dreamland, let us not wake him up. if you are having sweet dreams, the last thing you want is disturb by someone, and pooffff…. face the bad reality. lol.
    eh?? what happen to the BALKIS issue? why is it everything is done halfway? i am very dissappointed.

  28. #28 by sheriff singh on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 10:09 pm

    Maximus is a disappointment and a failure as an MP not taking care of his constituency.

    But then he was a failure too as Minister in Charge of National Unity. See your other posts about all the racism and disunity that is rampant in this country today.

    But best of all the PM, who says he is the PM for all races, is very silent and does nothing about it.

    Well, if the PM closes both his eyes, will the person who wants to be PM do and say something about all this?

  29. #29 by Blue.kinetic on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 10:27 pm

    I am suporting the cross over, but i doubt it will happen. Sabah and Sarawak have been poor managed, but yet, their BN’s MPs are still elected? why?

    Also, Sabah and Sarawak MP now ( majority), who has holding MP so many years yet happy in BN,..why? I doubt they are “clean” and they works for Sabah/Sarawak people. If so, why they need to cross over to jeoperdize their fortune,or DSAI will provide much better ( which i hope not)….

  30. #30 by pangwl88 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 10:44 pm

    Off the subject….but still related to Sabah…..Is it true that Shanty Chong’s court case regarding the 308 votes in Sandakan is now a COLD CASE?

    Does any one knows?

  31. #31 by thom on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 10:48 pm

    Referring to monsterball’s comment about doctors making lousy politicians.

    Maximus Ongkili is not a MEDICAL doctor you idiot. He got his doctorate title from his Ph.D. degree in Agricultural Economics.

    As a medical student I’m offended by your ignorant prejudice against the medical profession. Next time, check your facts before revealing your stupidity to the whole world.

  32. #32 by cintanegara on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 10:50 pm

    MCA, MIC, Gerakan and ALL the component parties understand the concept of multiracial and tolerance. UMNO is the most prominent party among all has a proven track record in ruling the country. Why should we question about what’s being agreed by previous leaders. Why can’t we accept this fact?

  33. #33 by zak_hammaad on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:04 pm

    sun2surf – KUALA LUMPUR (Sept 4, 2008): A former Selangor Umno veteran leader has lodged a second report with the Anti-Corruption Agency (ACA) against Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi yesterday for allegedly practising money politics to win the support of Umno division heads nationwide.

    Datuk Mazlan Harun lodged a similar report against the prime minister a month ago in reference to a letter containing the allegations sent to the Umno secretary-general by Petaling Jaya Umno head Kapt (R) Zahar Hashim.

    In today’s report, Mazlan, who was accompanied by Muar Umno chief Datuk Kadar Shah Tun Sulaiman, claimed he had physical evidence and witnesses to the allegations.

  34. #34 by limkamput on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:08 pm

    zak, there is no need for you to tell us about ACA report against PM. Why, you can’t wait for PM to resign so that your mamakthir could return to power? High hope, dream on, zak.

  35. #35 by AhPek on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:16 pm

    my,
    The first order of business is pertaining to the well being of Malaysians is to immediately establish the 2 party system and allow it to take root without having to worry about the ifs and buts.Implicit in the idea of a 2 party system is a system of check and balance.The monolithic system that we are having over the last 50 years or so can only mean authoritianism and abuse of power for a very simple fact that no human should be trusted with too much power,even worse with absolute power.
    Your attempt to match off 2 teams of different combinations of parties is a pure waste of time for these parties can also realign themselves for various reasons.Besides William62′s point maybe even more likely in future for the non Malay Bumiputras do not take to the Malay Bumiputras which you have not taken note off.You have erroneously think that the bumiputras fall into one group as if they are of the same ethnic group!! They are not only not of the same ethnic group but also differ in religion.

  36. #36 by Richardqed on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:17 pm

    “MCA, MIC, Gerakan and ALL the component parties understand the concept of multiracial and tolerance. UMNO is the most prominent party among all has a proven track record in ruling the country. Why should we question about what’s being agreed by previous leaders. Why can’t we accept this fact?” — cintanegara.

    The only thing they understand is how to toe the line, how to be running dogs, and how to sell out their own people to their political masters. And the only proven track record is actually in raping the country upside down and inside out.

    You should also be specific on what it is that you claim to have been “agreed by previous leaders”. Before you ask people to accept so-called facts, bring forward your so-called facts, and prove them first. Your so-called “fact”s will be shot down with real facts and the ultimate truth by everyone else here.

  37. #37 by zak_hammaad on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:22 pm

    cintanegara Says:

    >> MCA, MIC, Gerakan and ALL the component parties understand the concept of multiracial and tolerance.

    Is that why they remain part of BN?

    MCA and Gerakan hold 17 seats in parliament. If they decide to join Pakatan, this would bode well for Anwar. However Anwar can not bribe everyone with guarantees of positions and promotions. It would be moreso a cross-over of convenience rather than any real acceptance of the opposition’s vision.

  38. #38 by AhPek on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:22 pm

    correction:”The first order of business pertaining to the well being of Malaysians is to immediately …………………………………………………………..ifs and buts.”.

    “Besides, William62′s point ………………………………………. taken note of.’.

  39. #39 by zak_hammaad on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:28 pm

    limkamput Says:

    >> zak, there is no need for you to tell us about ACA report against PM.

    Is that because you do not want the ACA to act against the PM? Would that be because the opposition have a better chance of winning future elections with a useless PM than a competent one :^)

    >> Why, you can’t wait for PM to resign

    Mark my words: Bodohwi will NEVER resign! He will step down after he has done unrepairable damage to BN and hand over reigns to an equally stupid and useless PM. The oppostion need not worry that UMNO will have anyone who has the qualities to rehabilitate BN anytime soon.

    >> so that your mamakthir could return to power?

    That is the funniest thing I’ve heard in ages! I understand you understand that he enjoys grass-root support of millions, yet here you are supporting a psychopath for PM, of a coalition that is joined by super-glue, with policies that have no substance (but are mere slogans) and a manifesto that no one has seen… And you are scared of the return of an 83 year old geriatric? LOL.

  40. #40 by limkamput on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:40 pm

    zak between that 83 year old tribal leader and anything, i would prefer the later. dream on zak.

  41. #41 by zak_hammaad on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:46 pm

    Richardqed, by the “agreed by previous leaders” statement, I think he means the social contract. This as you know, refers to the agreement made by the country’s founding fathers in the constitution.

    It refers to a quid pro quo “trade-off” through Articles 14–18 of the Constitution, pertaining to the granting of citizenship to the non-Malay people of Malaysia, and Article 153, which grants the Malays special rights and privileges.

    Since the Malay leaders agreed to relax the conditions for citizenship, the leaders of the Chinese and Indian communities accepted the special position of the Malays. Clearly the contract agreed to by their forefathers does not sit well with the new generation, therefore alienation and resentment and hatred is a natural reaction.

    What is interesting however is that another description of the social contract declares it to be an agreement that “Malay entitlement to political and administrative authority should be accepted unchallenged, at least for the time being, in return for non-interference in Chinese control of the economy”.

    Even though it has been heavily criticised by many in Malaysia, the social contract should not be seen as the defence of the principle of “Ketuanan Melayu”; nor be seen as non-Malays’ “debt” to the Malays for citizenship – This is the aspect of the contract that UMNOputras have failed miserably to explain to the new generation.

    Critics too have a point when they say that you won’t find the term “Malay rights” in the supreme law of our land, instead, you will find terms such as “special position” of Malays. A “right” implies something inalienable and a “privilege” on the other hand is a benefit. I shall leave it with the discerning readership to make up their own minds after their own research.

    Night night.

  42. #42 by aquaimplotec on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 12:33 am

    Ongkili holds a Ph.D. degree in Agricultural Economics from La Trobe University, Australia. He contested in the Bandau parliamentary seat in the 1995 general election, beating the then BN candidate Datuk Dr Jeffrey Kitingan by a majority of 4,865 votes. He is the Chairman of the PBS Party Disciplinary Committee.

    For his numerous contributions to the state, he was awarded the second highest illustrious order Panglima Gemilang Darjah Kinabalu (PGDK) which carries the title “Datuk” by the Yang diPertua Negeri Sabah in 2002.

    Our minister in our Prime Minister’s department in-charge of national unity 2005!!!!!was interviewed in the New Straits Times on Sunday, 7th August 2005

    Q: How can we tackle racial polarisation in schools and universities?

    A: We can take the NS content in a diluted form to the school. Special talks and motivational programmes can be organised.

    Q: Is that enough?

    A: Universities should also initiate their own measures. Some are organising cultural programmes. But I feel the role of teachers, parents and community leaders is also important.

    They must not just preach racial unity but lead by mixing freely and learning to appreciate the values of other communities. We must walk the talk.

    Q: Is the education system, with its different schooling streams, hampering efforts to promote racial integration?

    A: According to the stated objective of our education system, it is not supposed to yield that kind of result. The positive values of our system far outweigh the negative. Besides, some of the most patriotic people I know are from Chinese schools.

    KOTA KINABALU, Aug 11 2008(Bernama) — Parti Bersatu Sabah (PBS) deputy president Datuk Dr Maximus Ongkili has more or less ended speculation on any imminent transfer of leadership in PBS when he announced yesterday he would only defend his post of deputy president at the party elections next year.

    Although there has been a call for PBS president Datuk Seri Joseph Pairin Kitingan to hand over the leadership, Ongkili stood firmly behind the deputy chief minister and maintained that it was needless to have an early leadership transition.

    But when Ongkili, who is Minister of Science, Technology and Innovation, said he would serve his “final term” as PBS deputy president after next year’s party elections, it raised the question of his political future.

    Local political pundits see his announcement as an early indication that changes in the top leadership are in the offing but they may not happen at least until the end of the next electoral term.

    “I think Dr Maximus is a very, very patient and far-sighted leader who prioritises unity in the party above his own interests. That’s why he decided not to challenge Pairin in the coming party elections.

    “It seems to me that Dr Maximus also prefers Pairin to hand over the leadership to other leaders in PBS in an orderly manner for the sake of unity,” said political analyst Clarence Sinsua of Ongkili’s final-term announcement.

  43. #43 by Jeffrey on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 12:49 am

    In spite of Najib apologizing for UMNO saying that what Ahmad Ismail said about Chinese being ‘Pendatang’ was wrong and UMNO’s dissociating from such an errant view, this recalcitrant division head, instead of keeping quiet, had latest told Malaysiakini in a telephone interview that he would not recant his alleged racist remarks or apologise even after the deputy prime minister has already done so on his behalf, and that this was because that he did not feel sorry because he “didn’t do anything wrong.”

    In doing so, Ahmad Ismail is unwittingly helping Anwar/Pakatan Rakyat 916 project – described as ”cerita dongeng (folktales)” by Maximus Ongkili – and undermining his own party UMNO’s efforts to manage discontent amongst rank and file and grassroots of non malay BN component parties and prevent them from being poached by Anwar/Pakatan Rakyat.

    Already there’s strong undercurrents and debate within BN’s non Malay component parties (for eg Gerakan, MCA, Sabah Progressive Party) whether they should stay on in the BN or leave.

    In an interview with monthly magazine ‘Off the Edge’, Gerakan advisor Tun Dr Lim Keng Yaik said if given a chance to vote, the majority of the party members would choose to leave the BN due to, amongst other things, racism of UMNO’s members. However, he said he was still willing to give UMNO another chance.[UMNO information chief ‘Mike Tyson’ has asked Gerakan to be patient and give UMNO a chance to work out intra-coalition differences] see MalaysianInsider.

    Whether chance given or not very much depends on the pivotal point of whether the leading political party, UMNO could reform and subdue its racist stance and rhetoric that is making the position of its non Malay coalition partners increasingly untenable in their constituencies’ eyes leading to March 8th and August 26th political tsunamis!

    Now how could UMNO reform when it could not even control a foot soldier/division head like Ahmad Ismail who still maintains he has said nothing wrong contrary to stand taken by his party, as held out by its deputy president? He has thrwon a monkey wench into UMNO’s spanner to repair relations with its non Malay coalition partners.

    Ahmad Ismail then has, as perhaps a matter of unintended consequence, made Anwar’s task of poaching the malcontents of BN non Malay component parties MPs that much easier in proportion to his intransigence to the embarrassment of UMNO. :)

  44. #44 by aquaimplotec on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 1:10 am

    Water bottles were thrown at me, says Max 19-08-2008
    [Datuk Dr. Maximus] Ongkili (si Max) contended the behavior of the opposition supporters on nomination day was the worst he had seen in his 13 years in politics, and that he was almost hit by an object hurled at him.

    30-10-2005
    Malaysia’s government has endorsed a university’s ruling that requires non-Muslim women to wear headscarves on its campuses, a report said on Wednesday.

    The minister in charge of national unity, Maximus Ongkili, said the decision by the International Islamic University earlier this year was not a religious one, but merely part of university procedures.

    “As the rule was approved by the university senate, it is not religious in nature but a matter of uniforms that must be followed. It does not breach basic human rights,” Ongkili was quoted as saying in the Star daily. Ongkili told parliament that Malaysians had to respect rules formulated by the government and other institutions to prevent social unrest.

    ”In a multi-racial country each community must respect one another. But at the same time we must respect the laws of the country, institutions and organisations to ensure there is no disturbance to the community,” he said.

    “The Sept 16 takeover by Anwar will never happen.”

    He said among the members of parliament who signed the pledge of support were Ongkili, Mukah MP Datuk Leo Michael Toyad and Plantation Industries and Commodities Minister Datuk Peter Chin Fah Kui.

    Makkal Osai, which has a daily average circulation of 25,000, published a picture of Jesus Christ, holding a cigarette in one hand and what appeared to be a beer can in the other, on the front page of Tuesday’s edition with a caption saying: “If someone repents for his mistakes, then heaven awaits him.”

    Ongkili, who’s a Christian, added those responsible should be charged in order to deter others from committing the same acts. “If those charged wish to plea in mitigation, it is up to the courts to consider,” he said.

  45. #45 by zioburosky13 on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 1:15 am

    Malaysia has been ill due to various ‘disease’: corruption, fake social harmony which is based on economy rather than cultural understanding, racial bigotry, poor management in everything. if something is not right, have it surgically remove if necessary.

  46. #46 by trublumsian on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 4:36 am

    monsterball, you’re right, i’ve never seen doctors being good politicians. but why should they? i’ve not seen many people, doctors or not, being good politicians. n doctors these days aren’t the same as what they r decades ago. the ones who volunteer for missions to 3rd world countries, those ought to be respected. but most r just using their smarts, being a doctor, to accumulate wealth n power. that’s the sad state of today’s materialistic society. maximus is prime example.

  47. #47 by chiakchua on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 6:03 am

    If what ‘worried student’ had written on UiTM talks to new students is true, it is unimaginable! The country will be doomed.
    The UMNOputras are saying one thing but doing another; they are the best actors ever who should be awarded the ‘Oscar’!
    For the sake of the country, we must pray that someone in UMNO (may be Muhidin/Zaid) could lead the change though its a mammoth task!

  48. #48 by undergrad2 on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 7:37 am

    Godfather Says:

    Yesterday at 20: 31.26
    Kit:

    You should fire your moderator.”

    Could be the new moderator is limkamput! He finally got the job as part time moderator.

  49. #49 by 318 on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 7:57 am

    cintanegara what you said was right all of us are dreaming but we pray that our dream will come true as the chinese saying may mung chen chan

  50. #50 by Godfather on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 8:28 am

    Zak’s hatred of Anwar (calling him names like psychopath, irresponsible) is only exceeded by his brown-nosing of Mahathir as the Great Leader. Zak, don’t tell us the brown substance on your nose smells of roses.

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