He cant join MIC , he is not wlecome, he certainly wont join msee air.
he cant form a club of his kind , there is not enougn of his kind.

so it is by convenience you scratch my back i scratch your , what more better i called my self maly.

Errrrr…what you want me to do, round up the the….the …okay considered done…right away sir.

TOTAL 6.12 million

Most of Indians (mostly indentured Tamil labour employed in plantation and road building) and others (mostly Orang Asli,Europeans and Eurasians) are almost 100% non Muslims.AT most I give it 2%.The Malay population is 36.1% and Muslim population is 38.1%.Look at the present figure and see the steep climb of Malay population 51% and Muslim population(45%-60%). Isn’t that shocking?

Realisitically, we should include every Malaysian citizen who is a Muslim. The “imports” you speak of is wholly inaccurate and not backed by any solid facts; could this be your envy and emotions doing the speaking for you. Taking the classic example of Singapore of today, you would understand that each state implements some mechanisms to make sure that those who rule are not made a minority in their own country. FYI – Migration and trans-migration is as old as man himself and no one person or race or religion can claim exclusivety to any place.

Assuming that all malays are muslims then we have 51% muslims in the country.

Assuming further that half of the 2.8 million non malay “bumiputras” are also muslims then the percentage of muslims in the country would increase to 56%.

So it would be quite accurate for me to say that muslims in the country ranges from 51% – 56% of the whole population.

Some of the muslims are actually recent imports from indonesia and the philippines. They should not have been present here as citizens of this country. Realistically, their numbers should not be included in the calculation above. Which is to say, the real percentage range would really be lower than the 51-56% as calculated above. The actual reduction is an unknown to all of us unless the relevant authority tell us the numbers involved.

Even as things now stand, it is clear that muslims in this country do not enjoy a clear majority in terms of absolute numbers. It is only a slight majority we are looking at.

Racial composition of a country is a strange animal. It is nothing like say a slab of meat with 51% meat and 49% fat – i.e. what-is-not-meat-is-definately-fat sort of situation. This is because part of the 51% (or 56% if you like) may, for reasons of their own, chose to to go along with the other 49%. You cant stop them.

In other words, racial majority does not permit a neat translation into better rights. Things are not so straightforward and simple. This is where UMNO failed – for giving racial composition too simplistic a treatment.

undergrad2, yes you are very much on the ball; western model of democracy is not only unsuitable to Muslim countries, it is also unsuitable for many Asian and African countries as you can see. What some have done is taken the most suitable of elements (and what overlaps) from the Western systems of capitalist democracy and atuned it to local geo-social-demographics. I also agree that Muslim societies are more amenable to an autocratic or authoritarian forms of government because Islamic governance does not accept a 2-party system as it’s history has shown.

AhPek, the “trouble with Islam in Malaysia” is that the authorities who are seen to be championing Islam are actually contradicting it in many facets of public life. Until they either fully accept and explain (or do away with) Islamic governance, the confusion that you clearly portray will remain. Islamic governance has never been about intervening into the lives of non Muslim citizens; and again history has shown quite the opposite. How Muslims can restore what they have lost in terms of transparent and clean governance is the question.

I would also argue in the same breath that it’s the Christian missionaries are also contributing in creating a climate of conflict in this region by their brand of covert prostelizing. Please refrain from making statistical errors as this will not help your cause; There are approx 62% Muslims in Malaysia (which would make the remaining 38% non-Muslims). I know that people have a fear of stats and I know that by manipulating these figures, you think you can stake a bigger claim in terms of ratio; you can’t change the demographic reality in Malaysia, which I believe favours the Muslims. Applying limited Islamic laws for the Muslims should neither be seen with distrust nor apprehension. This in no way contravenes non-Muslim rights in Malaysia.

Speaking of an Islamic state is nonesensical at this moment in time. If the demographics change to reflect 90%+ Muslims, perhaps then, this question of creating an Islamic state with all it’s rules and regulations can be addressed.

Over time, Christianity may have accepted secularism (perhaps this is also the reason why it has lost most of it’s original teachings) and may be accustomed to making it’s religion as it goes along, but Islamic fundamentals do not change with time, space or location.

Secularism by default contradicts Islam at it’s very foundation and hence will never be accepted as an alternative mode of governance in any Muslim society. Turkey as an example still reels from an identity crisis since it abolished the caliphate. It continues to “sell it’s soul” in order to be recognised as “Europeans” and to be accepted into the EU. This of course, will never happen.

If the government sees the importance in knowing, thus learning of, the Chinese language, then we should see more activities in the training and recruiting of teachers for that purpose. Our education ministers and higher education ministers should begin to take urgent and serious measures to address the matter. They should take the cue from the DPM.

Else, it only boils down to mere rhetoric and cheap publicity and deceiving the community that it is important to learn the Chinese language.

What about the Tamil language? How come no emphasis given? It would be prejudicial to give attention to one and not to the other. As if Tamil is not important or has no place?

We need answers. Thank you.

Secularism ought to be the best solution since it is neutral in its treatment on all religion preferring neither this religion nor that religion.I am an agnostic and it simply beats me why secularism is not acceptable??

“Only during ELECTION you will see UMNO TALKING about being fair to the INDIANS and CHINESS.When not in election mode they draw the kriss and warn the CHINESS and INDIANS.

Saw ariff on TV giving a ceramah in MANDERIN.Sunddenly the other races are important.”

Yeah. Us chinese and indians are truly staple and standard election fodder.

I kinda like this word “fodder”.

two days ago i posted martin jalleh’s article ‘home minister very at home with his ignorance‘. he had called me up in the morning on that day (wednesday), to ask for my email to send me the article. so immediately after 5.00pm that da…

what a gimmick!

we prefer substance over such superficiality.

A position in government is one which is tied to the votes he/she received in an election, and thus that person is directly responsible to the electorate and should endeavour to protect and advance their interests and concerns.

Now, when you have an elected representative going against the wishes of the electorate what should the latter do? Surely, the electorate have their rights. They could elect to exercise that right to admonish the representative for not doing the necessary.
What more when the representative went to the extent of threatening the electorate with this and that action?

The state of administration in Malaysia has fallen to such abysmal level that it smacks of “jungle rule”. There seems to be a total lack of common-sense in dealing with day to day affairs. Issues are blown out of proportion. When just a sensible reply is the required response to placate a situation, an orchestrated oversized reply is given instead to complicate matters – creating unnecessary fuss and misunderstanding. Goodwill seems to be lost. No more mutual respect and tolerance are exercised. What a sad state of affairs.

With this kind of seemingly high-handedness and wanton attitude what can we expect of the administration? The rakyat are indeed restless and agitated and driven to their wits end.

Hope good and common sense will prevail.

Coming from someone who believes in Islam, this cannot be right!

Islam is more than just a religion. It is a way of life and as a way of life you cannot separate Islam from politics. Any boundaries could only be artificial and attempts to keep them apart would not succeed.

Hence the western model of democracy is at odds with Islam. Muslim societies are more amenable to an autocratic or authoritarian forms of government much like Confucianism with its emphasis of filial piety is.