Deputy Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak said yesterday that the Bar Council’s persistence in going ahead with a forum on conversion to Islam has triggered extreme reaction from certain quarters, which in turn would threaten the country’s harmony.
He added that he had expected the extreme reaction to occur as the council ignored advice to call off the forum.
Is this an admission that UMNO had plotted for the extreme reaction to the Bar Council forum on religious conversions in Kuala Lumpur on Saturday – including the deplorable and disgraceful police conduct in submitting to the ultimatum by demonstrators threatening to storm into the Bar Council auditorium to disrupt the forum if the half-day forum was not ended by 10 am?
This must be the first time in the history of the Malaysian police force where it had openly and publicly submitted to the threats of demonstrators to commit an offence, i.e. to storm into a private property to disrupt a lawful meeting!
Can the Inspector-General of Police, Tan Sri Musa Hassan and the Home Minister, Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar defend and justify the shocking failure of the police to uphold law and order on Saturday?
It is an indictment on the failure of nation-building that in a month the country is to celebrate the 51st Merdeka anniversary that Malaysians are reminded that there is increasingly less space for open, civil and rational discussion on the problems and challenges of creating a Bangsa Malaysia of diverse races, cultures and religions.
The Bar Council had made it very clear that the forum was not to challenge the position of Islam as provided in the Constitution but to deal with the problems of the conflict of laws in the application of civil and syariah laws arising from Article 121(1A) of the Constitution.
This can be fully borne out from the one-hour discussion at the Bar Council forum before it was so shamefully truncated.
Could any one produce any evidence that the position of Islam as provided in the Constitution was being challenged from the one-hour discussion of the Bar Council forum before its disruption?
It is indeed sad and tragic that the demonstration against the Bar Council forum saw some elements of Umno, PKR and PAS united on a fictitious issue – the non-existent challenge of the position of Islam in Malaysia as provided in the constitution.
If all parties concerned can unite on the critical issues facing the nation, like wiping out corruption, fighting injustice and eradicating poverty, then Malaysia will be heading for national and international greatness and not like today, sliding down the slippery slope of mediocrity!
DAP has raised strong objections with the PKR leadership on the role of the PKR MP for Kulim Bandar Baharu Zulkifli Noordin in storming the Bar Council forum and I have been informed that disciplinary action would be taken against him.
The Pakatan Rakyat leadership will have to address the Pakatan Rakyat disarray over this issue.
Will the Barisan Nasional Supreme Council meet to discuss the similar disarray of the BN component parties or will the other 13 BN component parties just have accept the UMNO line because of the continued UMNO political hegemony in the Barisan Nasional?
#1 by limkamput on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:13 pm
Godfather, you know my stand all along from pre-election days. I would appreciate if you can tell me how long we should wait to see some tangible results. You tell me, i will try to comply. MY view is don’t pamper them, it is time they work harder – the MPs, ADUNs and the councilors.
#2 by Godfather on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:21 pm
Of course we should not pamper them. If they do something wrong, we should highlight that too. What I have seen so far is inexperience, and the tendency to want to be whiter than white. How long we should wait ? Till the next elections. Then PR will have to tell us why we should let them keep their jobs.
#3 by Godfather on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:23 pm
I am in favour of Zul Nordin being expelled from PKR – if Anwar has the b@lls to do so. Hopefully, his expulsion could also mean a by-election where the people can decide to keep him or elect someone else.
#4 by dawsheng on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:24 pm
“oh, tat’s a brilliant idea.” Gundam
Thanks, anywhere but the Bar Council is a brilliant idea.
#5 by yhsiew on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:25 pm
August 11, 2008 21:25 PM
PM Leaves It To Home Ministry To Decide Action On Bar Council
PUTRAJAYA, Aug 11 (BERNAMA) — Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said Monday that he would leave it to the Home Ministry to decide whether to take action against the Bar Council including using the Internal Security Act and Sedition Act for organising the “Conversion to Islam” forum in the federal capital on Saturday which caused a tense situation to arise.
“I leave it to the Home Ministry to study what happened, and if there is concrete evidence, the ministry will decide on what action to take,” he said when asked about calls by various quarters for the government to invoke the acts against the Bar Council.
Speaking to reporters after chairing the inaugural meeting of the National Economic Council at the Putrajaya International Convention Centre here, Abdullah said he hoped such forums would not be organised in future.
“Issues concerning religion are very sensitive. Matters (on religion) are already spelt out… there is no need for discussions,” he said, adding that between having and not having them, it was better to opt for the latter…………………..
#6 by limkamput on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:37 pm
Well they promised lots of things during the campaign. By next election I think it is too late. I know some of the stuff is out of their reach at the moment. But I am referring to those that are obviously within their jurisdiction to do something. Many are complaining that some local authorities are getting dirtier. How can this be? Don’t blame the civil servants again. Where is their leadership role? I think they are just trying to be populists and engaging in endless rhetoric. For example why must Guan Eng engage in useless debate with Koh. What purpose does it serve? If he finds something wrong just take action and get over with it. What about local authority election? Have they taken steps to explore the possibility of this happening? Sometimes the more i see, the more they stay the same.
#7 by limkamput on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:44 pm
I am in favour of Zul Nordin being expelled from PKR – if Anwar has the b@lls to do so. Hopefully, his expulsion could also mean a by-election where the people can decide to keep him or elect someone else. godfather
I hope you are not joking. This is what i have been thinking. Once and for all Anwar and the rest of PR leadership must send the clear message to end racism in this country. It is ok, let all the racists and extremists in PAS, UMNO and PKR team up on one side and the rest on the other side and see who will win the right to govern this country. It is enough, it is time.
#8 by Godfather on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:50 pm
We dared not believe prior to March 8 that any state could fall into Opposition hands (maybe with the exception of Penang). All we wanted was to deny the den of thieves the two-thirds majority, and we would have been happy to achieve that. We have overachieved, but this has resulted in new complications, some of which will go away if PR controls the federal government.
Take it easy – Rome wasn’t built in a day. Go to Mamakthir’s blog and take out your frustrations on the hypocrite. I do from time to time.
#9 by Godfather on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:52 pm
I am not joking about Zulkifli Nordin being expelled from PKR. Racism and bigotry has no place in PR.
#10 by gundam on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:57 pm
hound,
let me reiterate, u mst be patient. do not expect change overnite.
the priority now is to win over the government from BN so let’s be united under PR and let them prove their worthiness over a term.
as for ur doubt over the open debate, i personally know someone who decided to support anwar after watching his debate with shabery over tv. u r not to underestimate certain effects u dun see and understand.
“It is ok, let all the racists and extremists in PAS, UMNO and PKR team up on one side and the rest on the other side and see who will win the right to govern this country.”
well, isnt tis the silver lining we r talking abt?
so, r u gonna slap urself or u prefer me doing it for u?
#11 by tenaciousB on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 10:58 pm
Yeah double standards!! When Hindraf went on a peaceful non violent, non profanity based strike, they were fired at with water cannons and tear gasses but when these fellows went on strike?none of the above! the police were shaking their hands instead as seen on malaysia kini. What is this crap????
#12 by limkamput on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:07 pm
Apologist, is Guan Eng lacks of support at the moment? What else does he need to prove himself against Koh? He already got all the support he needs in Penang, so just get down to work.
#13 by limkamput on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:10 pm
Apologist, you talked about silver lining conceptually. I talked about how to get there. So don’t me kick you.
#14 by gundam on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:18 pm
hound,
u r short-sighted. did u put on ur spec when u read?
dun be narrow-minded too, dun limit a rising star at pg only, he could be our next deputy PM-in-waiting.
well, if my ‘concept’ doesnt get into ur mind, maybe u have to pardon me for my english expression is nt so gd. jst to refresh ur memory on wat i said earlier in tis thread.
“even a good tree can sometimes produce bad fruits.
view it positively, tis incident could be used as a measure to eliminate the ‘baddies’ among us.”
#15 by Godfather on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:29 pm
Even Mike Tyson with his lousy command of English will be laughing at the way you guys kick each other.
#16 by AA234567 on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:29 pm
I respect Karpal this time for being a good listener!!
#17 by just a moment on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:32 pm
PM: Don’t hold forums relating to race and religion
Najib: Bar Council’s persistence caused extreme reaction
Home Ministry: PM has passed on the reponsibilty to us and we will see who qualify for ISA, perhaps we’ll begin – people who initaite this forum thing.
The signs and signals are clear. You cannot do it when they are in power and control of the country?
Surely forum of this nature is something they are not “Willing and Not Capable of handling otherwise it would not have surface in the first place.
Sure we need to address these issues, unfortunately it will stall the entire formation of new Gov’t. be patient pls. What is few more months when this issues has been around since Merdeka?
One thing is for sure, as long as these cronies are still here. It’ll cost more to PR.
#18 by lkt-56 on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:34 pm
Kit,
It does not matter whether it is UMNO or some other party that planned this ‘extreme’ reaction. What matters is the ease at which our emotions can be manipulated by unscrupulous politicians. We should also ask why the government chose not to correct the problem (conflict between civil and syaria laws) when they have the power to do so.
The timing of the bar council’s decision to hold the forum plays right into the hands of people who wishes to see communalism rear its ugly head.
We currently are witnessing a no holds barred battle for power be it between the incumbent administration and the pakatan rakyat or within the ruling party itself or within each component party in the barisan nasional. Act with wisdom and we will see Malaysia come out of this a stronger nation. A foolish act could see the country fall into turmoil and dash our aspirations for a new Malaysia.
If we truly care for the country let us act with moderation. Concentrate on what matters…
- Rule the Pakatan States well and be rewarded with many more votes of coming your way.
- Work towards victory in Permatang Pauh and hope that Anwar will lead us towards liberation from racial politics.
- Be prepared for an alternative leader should Anwar be convicted.
No matter what we should be steadfast in our march towards this elusive new Malaysia.
#19 by gundam on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:39 pm
dear godfather,
i dun mean to hurt him bt i jst wan him to be someone more mature mentally proportionate to his age.
i believe he could be of better use as our comrade.
#20 by limkamput on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:45 pm
ok, i have enough. i think we better stop because you ain’t intellectual and stimulating enough for me. You are right, I have no patient for half past six people (not half pass six, ok. Wonder where you learned your English).
#21 by gundam on Monday, 11 August 2008 - 11:55 pm
hound,
dun try to get away when being challenged.
i still sense some gd conscience in u and i hope to bring out the best in u so u can be of a gd use to us.
btw, i nv said im an intellect. im merely exercising my right of free speech here as a citizen.
#22 by AA234567 on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 12:06 am
lkt-56 Says:
Today at 23: 34.53
“The timing of the bar council’s decision to hold the forum plays right into the hands of people who wishes to see communalism rear its ugly head.”
————————————
Timing 100% agreed —
reasons:
1) Bar Council’s member used by UMNO staging a ‘sandiwara’ to split PR.
2) UMNO’s saboteur has infiltrated Bar Council !!
#23 by imranj78 on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 12:19 am
Mr Lim and to forum posters,
Of course it is easy to just blame UMNO for all that goes wrong with regards to the forum. Who else can be such an easy target? But sometimes we must look at ourselves before pointing our finger at others.
Or maybe, just maybe, the true colours of PR’s `marriage of convenience’ is showing? I have always believed that DAP and PAS can never be true congruent and synergistic partners in PR. Their aims are vastly at odds and hence no one should be surprised that PAS and PKR MPs and members were present in the demonstration.
As a matter of fact, I am surprised many more from PKR and PAS were not present. My opinion – many more in PKR and PAS share the same sentiment, but are keeping silent at this time due to the upcoming Permatang Pauh bi-election and Anwar’s unethical plan to grab power by the back door. They are politicians after all and have to give the right sort of perception at such a critical time. Once and if they have power in their hands, we will then see their true colours.
#24 by jus legitimum on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 12:19 am
Umno was very arrogant when they considered the problems raised by the Bar council about muslim converts as sensitive.We are doomed under the rule of these idiots and religious bigots.They behaved as if Islam belonged to them and non muslims cannot discuss the problems faced by the converts and their families.They are really worse than the ostrich which hides its head in the Arabic desert sand.Shame on these bums and idiots.They are racists and they are trying to use the religion to gain control of their own race for their political interest.What hope do we have to achieve a multiracial,multireligious and multicultural secular state as long as the fanatics and idiots are in power?
#25 by melurian on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 12:21 am
serious, aab and the botak should heret the bar council members behind the forum to isa for good for creating tensions (already predicted and gave warning, but those councils din give a damn). send them to “re-education” camp to re-educate so that they don try to “stir hornet nest” in future.
better still, aab should take action to ban the council, just like british ban pkm long long ago….
#26 by sirrganass on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 12:33 am
(1) Hello… All of you: Listen, this is what PKR has to say about all this.
Click this link: http://www.suarakeadilan.com/sk/berita-semasa/2008/08/1226
…….
(2) Hello… All of you: Listen, this is what PAS has to say about all this.
First, visit this site. Got it?
Next, yes, PAS has above 90% Malay Members and you can say this is another kind of UMNO (!). But, just a while please, if Pakatan Rakyat win and rule Malaysia, please have a more realistic forum on this issue held among PAS/PKR/DAP. PAS’s version in this is very different. But pls be reminded that RELIGION IS A SENSITIVE ISSUE (you may end up by agreeing that Malaysia IS NOT THE IDEAL PLACE TO LIVE IN !!!)
LAST THING: This link will explain a bit more: visit this site.Bar Council: What is your problem actually?
Both links are written and official from PAS, (I thought you want to know what PAS has to say about this?) Of course, there are a few mamat and ali that will not listen to all this, just join the group opposing the FORUM without any official instruction from anybody…
See you later… when PR rule Malaysia!!!
……
(3) Hello… All of you: Listen to this: PAS and PKR has never condemned DAP to this extend. PAS has never attacked DAP from behind (tak main belakang punya!) Just read http://harakahdaily.net (PAS Official Publication) and find out is there anything about “hating non-muslim”, depriving non-muslim off anything etc etc…
But you people are attacking PKR and PAS terang-terang – like nobody’s business…. apa ni? Kata nak berkawan-kawan?
Siapa lebih baik, PAS atau DAP??? Jawab ya! Sekarang siapa baik? Ayo yo. Tipu2 takmaulah! If PAS doen’t attack DAP, i think DAP must not attack PAS too…. ok tak? cantik tak?
#27 by m.hwang on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 1:09 am
sirrganass, attacking PAS is a non issue. There are a lot of non Muslims who respect PAS leaders like Nik Aziz. However most Malaysians including Muslims will condemn the violent behaviour and threats by the politicians we saw at the BC. This is not an issue of PKR, PAS or DAP. If a DAP MP is there threatening bodily harm to the peaceful forum he too will get a lot of flak here.
#28 by One4All4One on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 7:55 am
When will politics in Malaysia mature to the level of sensibility, integrity, accountability, meritocracy, and being truly democratic?
All the claims that ours is a democracy based on principles ( what principles? ) is only an eyewash. Nothing comes close to being principled. A truly principled person would call a spade a spade. Nothing more, nothing less.
And to allude oneself to being religious and truly practise the teachings of God is even far more removed. It is hypocrisy of the highest order. When did God give the licence and monopoly to practise a particular religion to just any one race? It has gone too far for far too long. Islam or for that matter any other true Revelations do not belong to any particular ethnic group per se.
International scholars and honourable religious practitioners worldwide should be invited to asses the situation in Malaysia and to correct the perceptions that no one can discuss religions and religious issues openly. What is there to fear? Religion should be practised as openly as possible, for it is of God’s teachings and principles which are universal in nature.
The way criticisms are hurled at people who are seeking truth and clarification is just not right. To those who claim to defend religion, they should look at themselves and ask whether they are truly well versed in their religious practices. Whether they are as “perfect” as they make themselves out to be? Their actions are actually shameful acts of perversion.
A truly religious person would invite others to learn about his religion and going all out to teach and share the WISDOM and BEAUTY therein. He would not be easily provoked, let alone condemning others for their supposedly ignorance. And he would take every opportunity to explain the precepts and laws of the religion to others.
Leaders who profess the teachings of religions should come out strongly to protect and defend the non-believers as they are ignorant and innocent. Enlighten others. Do not just stand at the sidelines and do nothing to defuse the situation, which you said is
“tensioned” and “dangerous”. Even if you don’t do that, don’t try to fan the flame of “hatred” among the people.
If leaders do not do anything constructive, with some even attempting to play racial cards, and politicking for their own selfish
interest, the wider good and interest of the nation and its people would be hijacked. Can’t such narrow tendencies be cast away?
All righteous people, do stand up to correct the situation. Most of the Malaysian people are fine souls. Only a segment of them are bigoted and hypocritical. And another segment is being exploited by interest groups, dirty politicians, and thieves and robbers included, are out there to create chaos.
What would be left for the future generation after all the plundering? If nothing right is done at the soonest, I truly fear for for the nation’s well-being.
#29 by One4All4One on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 8:05 am
# melurian Says:
Today at 00: 21.15 (7 hours ago)
serious, aab and the botak should heret the bar council members behind the forum to isa for good for creating tensions (already predicted and gave warning, but those councils din give a damn). send them to “re-education” camp to re-educate so that they don try to “stir hornet nest” in future.
better still, aab should take action to ban the council, just like british ban pkm long long ago….
melurian,
Please don’t fan racial hatred here. I find your views peculiar and showing disrespect to Malaysians at large. Here you have a law body, the Bar Council, which is trying to mediate in an issue which would is seeking an amicable solution to all parties concerned.
What can be wrong to seek clarification? What about those who demonstrated and protested in such an unruly and unreasonable manner? Think they are doing any good to society and the cause of seeking out truth?
Think again melurian and other like minded people.
Thank you.
#30 by Godfather on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 8:14 am
imranj78 said:
“My opinion – many more in PKR and PAS share the same sentiment, but are keeping silent at this time due to the upcoming Permatang Pauh bi-election and Anwar’s unethical plan to grab power by the back door. They are politicians after all and have to give the right sort of perception at such a critical time. Once and if they have power in their hands, we will then see their true colours.”
Most of us want to give the benefit of the doubt to PR, reason being that the rakyat has been sodomised by UMNO for the past 30 years, and we have had enough. If you are right about the “true colours” of PR, then we can always vote them out at the next GE.
You say it is easy to put the blame on UMNO ? You don’t realise how thick-skinned UMNO is. The word “shame” is not in UMNO’s vocabulary. They go on plundering and looting in the name of religion and race.
#31 by Godfather on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 8:16 am
Ignore melurian. He’s UMNO’s official statistician.
#32 by Bigjoe on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 8:31 am
UMNO’s tacit agreement essentially date back to May 13, 1969 when they were the one who ignited the violence. The origin of the groups began then including the likes of GPMS. Their tacit agreement is part of their parcel of the refusal to rid the NEP and Ketuanan Melayu.
This is essentially the same kind of philosophy that condones terrorism. Means justify the end. Its not going to be fair so I can be more unfair than you. If i can’t have it, then you can’t have it either. Jealousy, hate, its what its all about. Dark Emotions over reason and intelligence. The whole philosophy is inconsistent.
What is most scary is not the face of those who storm the meeting but the face of Najib and Badawi, as the said ‘I told you so’, their apathy and resignation to the actions of groups. They face tells it all – they only know UMNOism that has been drilled into them for 40 years, they have no real solutions for the future and they don’t care because their priority is their cake now and eat it too. Najib is even smug about it as he sneer at those that are not satisfied with their abilities and try harder. Badawi, well, he is just and old dog that know no new trick. But Najib is suppose to be a young dog and he already don’t know any better and don’t seem to think he has to try.
#33 by melurian on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 9:50 am
“What can be wrong to seek clarification? What about those who demonstrated and protested in such an unruly and unreasonable manner? Think they are doing any good to society and the cause of seeking out truth?”
if you don start fire, there won’t be arson.
if they din start the “sensitive” forum, there won’t be protest.
#34 by imranj78 on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 11:03 am
Godfather,
Don’t get me wrong; I am a firm believer in the two party system and I believe it will do wonders for Malaysia in the long run. But I will NOT support a coalition who intends to grab power through unethical, illegal and undemocratic means of back door negotiations and cross overs. If PR wants the federal government, wait till the next election. If they still choose to be unethical, then in my eyes, PR is willing to sacrifice anything in the aim to get power, even its `claimed’ core values such as integrity.
Giving PR the benefit of the doubt is one thing. But when it comes to matters of country and state, giving benefit of the doubt is not good enough.
#35 by One4All4One on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 11:54 am
Your reply is most amusing, if not downright infantile.
Come on guy, grow up. Look at the world around you. You seem to me still living in the dark ages. No wonder there are still such reaction from the like of you. I don’t intend to insult you or anybody else here, not at all. But then the word has move so far ahead of you guys.
What is so sensitive of discussing issues openly? What is there to hide? Can’t you guys open up? What is there to protest in the first place? Join in my friend and enlighten the world, if you have answers to questions. Don’t hide behind purported veils and cloak.
Fire? What fire? No one is talking about fire? People are interested on issues and wanted to move ahead. And Arson? Wondering who is interested in one? Come on, again, tell your folks that we want you to participate in open discussions, not fight. What’s the point, anyway? If ever there is fire, it would be the burning fire to learn and make the world a better place for all.
Aren’t religions suppose to promote peace and harmony? I don’t see any antagonism on the part of participants of the open forum. Only those who are not interested on clarifying issues and hell bent on disrupting and protesting that a tense atmosphere is created.
And those people whose profess religions, they cannot be belligerent and hostile towards others, can they? What have you learnt from your religious classes? Where are all the virtues? I subscribe by the teachings of Islam. Islam is a beautiful religion. It is only the followers who do not have proper and correct understand of its teachings and who do not practise what they preach which make a bad name for the religion itself. God must be sad.
Whatever it is, I wish you all the best. Go through the mighty Koran again for guidance. Perhaps then Malaysia would be a more peaceful and progressive land again.
I rest my case.
#36 by One4All4One on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 11:57 am
Sorry, correction:
Come on guy, grow up. Look at the world around you. You seem to me still living in the dark ages. No wonder there are still such reactions from the like of you. I don’t intend to insult you or anybody else here, not at all. But then the world has move so far ahead of you guys.
#37 by kanthanboy on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 2:02 pm
1) Bar Council’s member used by UMNO in staging a ’sandiwara’ to split PR.
2) UMNO’s saboteur has infiltrated Bar Council.
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AA234567,
I agree with your reasoning. If UMNO’s hand is not involved in the forum, then the following matters will not happen:
1) The police has issued permit for the forum.
Has the police ever issued permit for a public meeting which is truly opposed by UMNO?
2) After the disruption, MCA voiced its support for the Bar Council.
Since when has MCA ever said anything against the will of UMNO?
#38 by eloofk on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 4:31 pm
I look at it as another script being written by the Mafia Chief to consolidate his grip on becoming the next PM. Being a racial sensitive issues to be discussed in the forum, why was a police permit so easily granted? Compare this with the Hindraf demonstration, why was the ISA not applied in this case? Too many muslim leaders were involved so he knew before hand that he want to be known as the champion of the Malay/Muslim cause, and which i have seen it coming, that those who called for the forum to end were just playing into his scripts.
#39 by p44voter on Tuesday, 12 August 2008 - 5:12 pm
I wonder what disciplinary action will be taken against PKR’s Kulim MP? or it just a another …….
#40 by ttc on Wednesday, 13 August 2008 - 6:23 am
Since there are so many interestingly intriguing and intricately and absurdly crafted “legislation” floating about out there in Bolehland, like that section 377B for instance, why not craft a section for the general but validly pesky crime of “stupidity”?
Given the general orientation and somewhat weird drift of the mindsets of law-makers and law-drafters that one has managed to glean from cogitation on some arsenine legislation, here’s a first attempt at a raw draft of one that perhaps some sententious entity out there can refine upon using that usual lens to focus?
Section 42000: Stupidity is a defined as a crime but it does not include general ignorance which is not a crime but only a misdemeanour. Stupidity is normally punishable by a mandatory incarceration order of up to a maximum of life imprisonment and may or may not include an order for compulsory rehabilitation and some helpful education.
Section 42000A: This section defines the crime of infantile stupidity. This is hereafter from now onwards defined as general cluelessness against the general order of rational matured human brain nature and it is punishable by incarceration for up to a maximum of five years.
Section 420001B: This section is for the crime defined as aggravated stupidity which is hereinafter and for all time from infinity to the depths of forever defined as one who chooses to be a retard out of his/her own choice when there is no absolute or relative necessity whatsoever for choosing to be a retard at all. The aggravated nature of this crime due to its impact on others makes it punishable by incarceration of up to a maximum of twenty years with re-habilatative education, and if judged to be adverse enough to constitute being a threat to national security as well, then the stupid person may be hit hard punitively with the ISA instrument as well and either contemporaneously or consecutively with any other sanction/s imposed at the judge’s discretion;
Section42000C: This ultimate section is reserved for the crime defined as degenerative stupidity. It is so serious that it is defined widely as simply being “against the order of all nature”.
If we had the above stupid law section, maybe we could try it out summarily on SHA? Or how about using it on people who go off the rails and rant and rail like that non-jurisprudentially learned fellow from PKR for instance? Or why not use it on that green man from UMNO who, as that extraordinarily wise Farish Noor noted in his humorous article, seems to have seen a flying pig or an invisible porcine entity called a “Babi” at the Bar Council’s forum!
If this legislation were to be enacted, then pigs might actually fly and brains may actually become engaged before mouths are opened……
WE SAY YEAH! :)
#41 by shamshul anuar on Wednesday, 13 August 2008 - 11:52 pm
Dear Onkyua,
Yes Sir. UMNO holds the senior partner in BN. There is nothing wrong about that. UMNO is not a hypocrite. UMNO is accorded the status as the senior partner by other coalition parties themselves. It is the natural thing to do as UMNO holds more than half of seat won by BN.
No Lim Kit Siang. UMNo does not plan the rally. It is the spontaneous responses by the Malays to BAR Council. All Malays whom I met ( irregardless of political preferences) object to the forum.
Previously BAR council played the racial card by holding a forum on the Malays and their rights . Only one Malay, Farish Noor, was invited as a panelist. Unfortunately majority of Malays does not regard Farish as capable on speaking for them as Farish is viewed as having anti Malay attitude.
As for IMranj78, well said sir. At least you are aware how uncomfortable PAs members are when PAS leadership chooses to maintain alliance with DAP after condemning UMNO for decades on its alliance with MCA, MIC . They asked why so upset when Hj Hadi and PM met. Of course, these kind of reaction was not mentioned by Star or New Strait Times.
Malays are upset as BAR Council is perceived as maintaining a very anti Islam attitude. If BAR Council wishes to highlight problems affecting marital issues due to conversion to islam, BAR COuncil must invite panelists whom are respected by Muslim communities . It means Farish Noor or Latheefa Koya are out.
#42 by shamshul anuar on Thursday, 14 August 2008 - 12:01 am
DEar PSM,
If UMNO is so racist, none of MCa or MIC politicians will ever win an election. If UMNO is so racist, vernacular school is a distant memory only.
IF UMNO is so racist, it can choose to declare Malaysia as a Malay country at independence. It is not difficult thing to do as it then held 70 % of the seat.
Racism is what you see in some countries when you are denied your right due to your racial profiling.
#43 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 14 August 2008 - 7:23 am
“They are really worse than the ostrich which hides its head in the Arabic desert sand.”
Ostrich meat anyone? Good aphrodisiac.
#44 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 16 August 2008 - 9:05 am
IF UMNO is so racist, it can choose to declare Malaysia as a Malay country at independence. It is not difficult thing to do as it then held 70 % of the seat.” Shamshul
I thought that was what ‘Persekutuan Tanah Melayu’ meant and still does – a federation of Malay states? Tell me I’m wrong!
#45 by cheng on on Saturday, 16 August 2008 - 11:04 pm
If that was the intention as stated by Shamsul, (declare Malaya as a Malay country at independence) afraid, British would not grant independence in 1957.
After 51 years, Msia still talking about races, if continue like this, no hope wws 2020, (developed status).