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		<title>By: Loh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-3/#comment-122288</link>
		<dc:creator>Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DPM can decide to whom he likes to give away scholarships. Public funds are like his own pocket money.</description>
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		<title>By: eloofk</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122255</link>
		<dc:creator>eloofk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really flabbergasted that a VVIP in the form of a DPM can have the time to entertain a college drop-out seeking his intervention n advice for an application of a scholarship to enter the university.

So, i suggest to the thousands of students trying to apply for scholarships to further their studies in any universities, seek out the DPM for help. Only he n not any civil servants can help.</description>
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<p>So, i suggest to the thousands of students trying to apply for scholarships to further their studies in any universities, seek out the DPM for help. Only he n not any civil servants can help.</p>
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		<title>By: sirrganass</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122236</link>
		<dc:creator>sirrganass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh My God... i am not in LimKitSiang&#039;s blog? Ah! nevermind eh! At least everybody knows that QURAN makes PAS different from AMNO and if you people wonder why PAS has totally different approach, even to the extend of choosing to work with DAP rather then with UMNO, then the answer should be in ALQURAN. If ANWAR refuse to swear or Saiful is too eager to swear, then let&#039;s refer to what is stated in QURAN ... both are muslim - both MUST follow alquran. IF ONE DOESN&#039;T FOLLOW THE BOOK, then.... what? 

You non-muslim can make your own judgment - some muslim are not real muslim! Agree? You  know already that many muslim don&#039;t follow the Holy Book. Curruption, Unfair Racial Treatment, UmnoPutra, killing etc etc And they do many bad thing infront of you all and you don&#039;t like these people. Right?

Fine! But NOW: you are to work with PAS. How do you want to go about it? Are you ready for the excitement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh My God&#8230; i am not in LimKitSiang&#8217;s blog? Ah! nevermind eh! At least everybody knows that QURAN makes PAS different from AMNO and if you people wonder why PAS has totally different approach, even to the extend of choosing to work with DAP rather then with UMNO, then the answer should be in ALQURAN. If ANWAR refuse to swear or Saiful is too eager to swear, then let&#8217;s refer to what is stated in QURAN &#8230; both are muslim &#8211; both MUST follow alquran. IF ONE DOESN&#8217;T FOLLOW THE BOOK, then&#8230;. what? </p>
<p>You non-muslim can make your own judgment &#8211; some muslim are not real muslim! Agree? You  know already that many muslim don&#8217;t follow the Holy Book. Curruption, Unfair Racial Treatment, UmnoPutra, killing etc etc And they do many bad thing infront of you all and you don&#8217;t like these people. Right?</p>
<p>Fine! But NOW: you are to work with PAS. How do you want to go about it? Are you ready for the excitement?</p>
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		<title>By: AhPek</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122214</link>
		<dc:creator>AhPek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really oknyua,in just one stroke of your pen,you have demolished the poor guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really oknyua,in just one stroke of your pen,you have demolished the poor guy.</p>
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		<title>By: oknyua</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122210</link>
		<dc:creator>oknyua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr sirrganass, you are really &quot;ganas&quot;, blowing hot without looking at the writter of this thread. Look carefully, the writter is not Lim Kit Siang, but M Bakri Musa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr sirrganass, you are really &#8220;ganas&#8221;, blowing hot without looking at the writter of this thread. Look carefully, the writter is not Lim Kit Siang, but M Bakri Musa.</p>
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		<title>By: sirrganass</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122209</link>
		<dc:creator>sirrganass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lim Kit Siang now has started talking about AlQuran? And he knows it&#039;s content? Wow... wonderful, you are, Sir! 

Of course many non-muslim will laugh at Quran, But if any one of you recognized that this book has teachings practiced by billion of people in this world... and this book is the reason why PAS and UMNO is different (what the hell does PAS is talking about... Qizas? Hudud?... Murabalah bla bla bla? mahasusah?).... if any non-muslim recognizes the glory of Quran... then, you are the one that fully understand what is PAKATAN RAKYAT (Pas is there in Pakatan Rakyat !!! ). 

Go ahead and don&#039;t follow alquran if you hate it so much. You are NOT REQUIRED to follow it either... it is for muslim only. And the sentence &quot;no compulsion in religion&quot; is also stated in QURAN.

But if LimKitSiang understands even a bit about alquran, then, wow! very good.... GREAT IDEA. So, All of you must start to be like this man. Why? because PAS has to be with YOU in YOUR STRUGGLE. Isn&#039;t that beautiful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lim Kit Siang now has started talking about AlQuran? And he knows it&#8217;s content? Wow&#8230; wonderful, you are, Sir! </p>
<p>Of course many non-muslim will laugh at Quran, But if any one of you recognized that this book has teachings practiced by billion of people in this world&#8230; and this book is the reason why PAS and UMNO is different (what the hell does PAS is talking about&#8230; Qizas? Hudud?&#8230; Murabalah bla bla bla? mahasusah?)&#8230;. if any non-muslim recognizes the glory of Quran&#8230; then, you are the one that fully understand what is PAKATAN RAKYAT (Pas is there in Pakatan Rakyat !!! ). </p>
<p>Go ahead and don&#8217;t follow alquran if you hate it so much. You are NOT REQUIRED to follow it either&#8230; it is for muslim only. And the sentence &#8220;no compulsion in religion&#8221; is also stated in QURAN.</p>
<p>But if LimKitSiang understands even a bit about alquran, then, wow! very good&#8230;. GREAT IDEA. So, All of you must start to be like this man. Why? because PAS has to be with YOU in YOUR STRUGGLE. Isn&#8217;t that beautiful?</p>
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		<title>By: Jimm</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122200</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This country government policies have been badly involved with high level of corruption practices that everything must come to an end one day. The government have been very good in covering up all these &#039;cases&#039; since the 50s and each decade, they seems to make bigger histories in covering the previous one.
Everyone in the government habe read through the book of national scam and agreed for the appointment of post in order to carry on the corruption level to the next higher one.
We have come to a stage that the entire system are heating up and will collapse soon. We are broke !!!
AAB will be the last mohican in getting most out from the pot in the shortest tenure. He have to break records due to the wealth that can be easily obtain through the country nature resources.
Anyway, Rakyat will have to stand together and demand for our rights in making Malaysia , Malaysian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This country government policies have been badly involved with high level of corruption practices that everything must come to an end one day. The government have been very good in covering up all these &#8216;cases&#8217; since the 50s and each decade, they seems to make bigger histories in covering the previous one.<br />
Everyone in the government habe read through the book of national scam and agreed for the appointment of post in order to carry on the corruption level to the next higher one.<br />
We have come to a stage that the entire system are heating up and will collapse soon. We are broke !!!<br />
AAB will be the last mohican in getting most out from the pot in the shortest tenure. He have to break records due to the wealth that can be easily obtain through the country nature resources.<br />
Anyway, Rakyat will have to stand together and demand for our rights in making Malaysia , Malaysian.</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122190</link>
		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MRR2 problem - Can the bridge be repaired?

The main bridge support structure is in the shape of a &quot;T&quot;. We have a main stem in the middle (i.e. the column) and two cantilever beams on either side. The bridge deck sits atop the two cantilever sections - that means one bridge deck on each cantilever beam. Each of the decks is wide enough to accommodate 3 lanes. So in total there are 6 lanes.

Loadings upon the bridge come in several forms: 1) self weight; 2) vehicles weight; 3) dynamic loads; 4) wind; and 5) earthquake loads. Wind load and earthquake are not very critical in malaysia.

The weight of vehicles would be carried by the cantilever beams. There the beams would transfer the load to the column in the form of vertical load and bending.

The T structure is actually an unstable structure. The loading that is being applied to it by its self (dead) weight and the weight of vehicles travelling on top are enormous. Besides, the loading on one side of the cantilever beam must be balanced by the loading on the other side. If not, the T structure will just tip over to the heavier side.

So, in bridge design one must always consider the worst case loading scenario. As already elaborated above, this would happen when the bridge deck on one side of the cantilever is fully loaded and the other side is empty. In real life, this could be represented by a traffic jam on one side and road closure on the other.

Loading the deck fully is necessary for determining the cross-section size of the cantilever beam and for calculating the amount of strenghtening needed. Usually, strenghtening is achieved by means of steel reinforcement bars. But due to the large cantilever span and the enormous amount of loading, prestressed cables are used instead. Of course, one must not forget to consider dynamic loading. Moving vehicles will exert a lot more force on the structure than stationary ones.

In the event of lopsided loading (without the benefit of a counter-balancing load on the other side), the column must be able to stand up to the tipping over forces. The tipping over forces that bear upon the column comes about as a result of bending in the cantilever beam. The bending force created by the bending is described as bending-moment. It is this bending-moment that the column must be able to stand-up to. The maximum stress brought about by the bending (with dynamic loading taken into consideration) must be added to the maximum amount of stress caused by vertical load to see if the column is sufficiently designed both is cross section size and in steel reinforcement.

The column would then transfer the whole load to the ground through its foundation. For bridge construction, piles would be needed for the work.

From available pictures, the MRR2 bridge appears to have failed at the cantilever sections. 31 out of a total of 33 cantilever sections failed. My gut feeling is this could be a design fault or a concerted effort to cut corners. Genuine construction error will not repeat itself so regularly or so extensively unless one is talking about errors committed on a very gross scale. Even then I would expect a more random pattern of failure.

The cantilever beams were prestressed. When bent, the top half of the beam would experience tension pull as oppose to the bottom half which would experience compression. Concrete is strong in compression but weak in tension. The prestressing is then applied across the whole cross-section of the beam in a carefully designed amount such that it would cancel out the tensile forces on the top half when the beam is fully loaded.

When prestressed, the free end of a cantilever beam actually lifts upwards slightly. And when loaded, it will be depressed and the tensile stresses on the top half of the beam would then be cancelled out.

From this description, it can be seen that prestressed concrete structures are actually more flexible than steel reinforced ones. If the prestressing is insufficient, of the beam section is too small, then the desired crossing out of stresses will not take place. In a loaded cantilever beam, this would be translated into cracks on the top portion of the beam - ie that part of the beam under tension.

Can the beams be repaired?

Extremely difficult. Its only fair to say that I do not have the benefit of studying the german technology that was applied in the repair two years ago. One major difficulty in any repair effort must be ensuring that the presstressed bridge remain flexible after repair. Otherwise, whatever strengthening afforded by the prestressing (albeit insufficient, only an assumption) would be lost. In other words, the panelling affixed to the bridge must not be hard ones. At the same time, they must be able to withstand high tensile forces. 

But how high? If it is higher than the tensile strenght of the cables used in the prestressing, then the panels would basically end up absorbing more of the loadings on the bridge. This would not do because then the panels would have to be very thick. If it is too weak, then it would be quite useless.

This is one case where pure design analysis and calculation would not be sufficient. A laboratory test is needed to determine the workability of the design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MRR2 problem &#8211; Can the bridge be repaired?</p>
<p>The main bridge support structure is in the shape of a &#8220;T&#8221;. We have a main stem in the middle (i.e. the column) and two cantilever beams on either side. The bridge deck sits atop the two cantilever sections &#8211; that means one bridge deck on each cantilever beam. Each of the decks is wide enough to accommodate 3 lanes. So in total there are 6 lanes.</p>
<p>Loadings upon the bridge come in several forms: 1) self weight; 2) vehicles weight; 3) dynamic loads; 4) wind; and 5) earthquake loads. Wind load and earthquake are not very critical in malaysia.</p>
<p>The weight of vehicles would be carried by the cantilever beams. There the beams would transfer the load to the column in the form of vertical load and bending.</p>
<p>The T structure is actually an unstable structure. The loading that is being applied to it by its self (dead) weight and the weight of vehicles travelling on top are enormous. Besides, the loading on one side of the cantilever beam must be balanced by the loading on the other side. If not, the T structure will just tip over to the heavier side.</p>
<p>So, in bridge design one must always consider the worst case loading scenario. As already elaborated above, this would happen when the bridge deck on one side of the cantilever is fully loaded and the other side is empty. In real life, this could be represented by a traffic jam on one side and road closure on the other.</p>
<p>Loading the deck fully is necessary for determining the cross-section size of the cantilever beam and for calculating the amount of strenghtening needed. Usually, strenghtening is achieved by means of steel reinforcement bars. But due to the large cantilever span and the enormous amount of loading, prestressed cables are used instead. Of course, one must not forget to consider dynamic loading. Moving vehicles will exert a lot more force on the structure than stationary ones.</p>
<p>In the event of lopsided loading (without the benefit of a counter-balancing load on the other side), the column must be able to stand up to the tipping over forces. The tipping over forces that bear upon the column comes about as a result of bending in the cantilever beam. The bending force created by the bending is described as bending-moment. It is this bending-moment that the column must be able to stand-up to. The maximum stress brought about by the bending (with dynamic loading taken into consideration) must be added to the maximum amount of stress caused by vertical load to see if the column is sufficiently designed both is cross section size and in steel reinforcement.</p>
<p>The column would then transfer the whole load to the ground through its foundation. For bridge construction, piles would be needed for the work.</p>
<p>From available pictures, the MRR2 bridge appears to have failed at the cantilever sections. 31 out of a total of 33 cantilever sections failed. My gut feeling is this could be a design fault or a concerted effort to cut corners. Genuine construction error will not repeat itself so regularly or so extensively unless one is talking about errors committed on a very gross scale. Even then I would expect a more random pattern of failure.</p>
<p>The cantilever beams were prestressed. When bent, the top half of the beam would experience tension pull as oppose to the bottom half which would experience compression. Concrete is strong in compression but weak in tension. The prestressing is then applied across the whole cross-section of the beam in a carefully designed amount such that it would cancel out the tensile forces on the top half when the beam is fully loaded.</p>
<p>When prestressed, the free end of a cantilever beam actually lifts upwards slightly. And when loaded, it will be depressed and the tensile stresses on the top half of the beam would then be cancelled out.</p>
<p>From this description, it can be seen that prestressed concrete structures are actually more flexible than steel reinforced ones. If the prestressing is insufficient, of the beam section is too small, then the desired crossing out of stresses will not take place. In a loaded cantilever beam, this would be translated into cracks on the top portion of the beam &#8211; ie that part of the beam under tension.</p>
<p>Can the beams be repaired?</p>
<p>Extremely difficult. Its only fair to say that I do not have the benefit of studying the german technology that was applied in the repair two years ago. One major difficulty in any repair effort must be ensuring that the presstressed bridge remain flexible after repair. Otherwise, whatever strengthening afforded by the prestressing (albeit insufficient, only an assumption) would be lost. In other words, the panelling affixed to the bridge must not be hard ones. At the same time, they must be able to withstand high tensile forces. </p>
<p>But how high? If it is higher than the tensile strenght of the cables used in the prestressing, then the panels would basically end up absorbing more of the loadings on the bridge. This would not do because then the panels would have to be very thick. If it is too weak, then it would be quite useless.</p>
<p>This is one case where pure design analysis and calculation would not be sufficient. A laboratory test is needed to determine the workability of the design.</p>
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		<title>By: boilingmad</title>
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		<dc:creator>boilingmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Godfather: &quot;You obviously can’t tell the difference since your individual IQ is very low but the cumulative IQ between you and Badawi could possibly bring that up a little bit.&quot; I beg to differ ... I think the cumulative IQ of the two would make it worse cos their IQs would be in the negative ... the firsts in history to have negative IQ!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godfather: &#8220;You obviously can’t tell the difference since your individual IQ is very low but the cumulative IQ between you and Badawi could possibly bring that up a little bit.&#8221; I beg to differ &#8230; I think the cumulative IQ of the two would make it worse cos their IQs would be in the negative &#8230; the firsts in history to have negative IQ!</p>
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		<title>By: i_love_malaysia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122176</link>
		<dc:creator>i_love_malaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MRR2 problem - It is another case of fatt sayen choy i.e. making profit or money out of disaster!!! The last time it happened and &quot;those responsible&quot; had made tons of money from the repairs and now it is another chance to make tons of money from it again, there will be no ending to this, &quot;those responsible&quot; will blame the previous minister because the previous minister was Semi Value!!!
Now AAB blamed the incompetent govt servants, but no action taken to address what happened, why it happened, how it happened, who is responsible, when etc etc., so that it would not occur again!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MRR2 problem &#8211; It is another case of fatt sayen choy i.e. making profit or money out of disaster!!! The last time it happened and &#8220;those responsible&#8221; had made tons of money from the repairs and now it is another chance to make tons of money from it again, there will be no ending to this, &#8220;those responsible&#8221; will blame the previous minister because the previous minister was Semi Value!!!<br />
Now AAB blamed the incompetent govt servants, but no action taken to address what happened, why it happened, how it happened, who is responsible, when etc etc., so that it would not occur again!!!</p>
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		<title>By: dranony</title>
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		<dc:creator>dranony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding this &#039;swearing on the Quran&#039; issue:

I don&#039;t see what Anwar would gain by agreeing to swear on the Quran in Masjid Negara, before all the Ulamaks in Malaysia.
Anal intercourse would already be a sin against God (as per the religion, iianm).
If a chap already knowingly commits such a sin (hoping that others do not know, but also knowing that God will surely know), then why would he worry about doing something (swearing on the Quran) that can easily convince others that we did not commit the first sin?
Swearing is between one and God. Nothing else is really proven to anyone else. As Bakri Musa says, it&#039;s not a lie-detector for humans.

To read proof of guilt into Anwar&#039;s refusal to swear, one must assume:
1. That Anwar is fearful of God&#039;s wrath.
2. That Anwar is guilty of sodomy as accused.
&lt;i&gt;But therein lies the rub - for if the second assumption is true, that would mean that the first cannot be.&lt;/i&gt;

Conversely, on the part of Saiful, if he is indeed willing to submit to the religious edicts, then he should realise that to prove his allegation under islamic law, he would have to bring four eye-witnesses of good standing who had actually seen the act with their own eyes. Failure to do that, would render himself guilty of false accusation (qazaf) - &lt;b&gt;an extremely serious violation that would render him an unbeliever&lt;/b&gt;, in addition to being flogged.
If Saiful&#039;s allegations (of being sodomised several times) are true, then it would mean that he did not protest or report the previous few times. This would mean that he was a consensual partner in the sodomy acts, at least those times in which he did not lodge a police report. If indeed he was a willing sodomy partner, then he would know that these acts were against Islamic principles. How then would the public value his integrity, in agreeing to swear by the Quran.
It just doesn&#039;t make sense, does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding this &#8216;swearing on the Quran&#8217; issue:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see what Anwar would gain by agreeing to swear on the Quran in Masjid Negara, before all the Ulamaks in Malaysia.<br />
Anal intercourse would already be a sin against God (as per the religion, iianm).<br />
If a chap already knowingly commits such a sin (hoping that others do not know, but also knowing that God will surely know), then why would he worry about doing something (swearing on the Quran) that can easily convince others that we did not commit the first sin?<br />
Swearing is between one and God. Nothing else is really proven to anyone else. As Bakri Musa says, it&#8217;s not a lie-detector for humans.</p>
<p>To read proof of guilt into Anwar&#8217;s refusal to swear, one must assume:<br />
1. That Anwar is fearful of God&#8217;s wrath.<br />
2. That Anwar is guilty of sodomy as accused.<br />
<i>But therein lies the rub &#8211; for if the second assumption is true, that would mean that the first cannot be.</i></p>
<p>Conversely, on the part of Saiful, if he is indeed willing to submit to the religious edicts, then he should realise that to prove his allegation under islamic law, he would have to bring four eye-witnesses of good standing who had actually seen the act with their own eyes. Failure to do that, would render himself guilty of false accusation (qazaf) &#8211; <b>an extremely serious violation that would render him an unbeliever</b>, in addition to being flogged.<br />
If Saiful&#8217;s allegations (of being sodomised several times) are true, then it would mean that he did not protest or report the previous few times. This would mean that he was a consensual partner in the sodomy acts, at least those times in which he did not lodge a police report. If indeed he was a willing sodomy partner, then he would know that these acts were against Islamic principles. How then would the public value his integrity, in agreeing to swear by the Quran.<br />
It just doesn&#8217;t make sense, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122169</link>
		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melurian let me tell you a secret.

At the at strike of the precise minute past midnight on the 31st of December each year, climb somewhere high, like a coconut tree.

And then stretch out your right arm. You can actually touch the moon.

Its true. Try it.

Dont tell anyone I told you this secret.

OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melurian let me tell you a secret.</p>
<p>At the at strike of the precise minute past midnight on the 31st of December each year, climb somewhere high, like a coconut tree.</p>
<p>And then stretch out your right arm. You can actually touch the moon.</p>
<p>Its true. Try it.</p>
<p>Dont tell anyone I told you this secret.</p>
<p>OK?</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122161</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>melurian, the high IQ friend, posted this:

&quot;...and how are you going to proof that moon is further than singapur without looking at “wikipedia”.&quot;

Between melurian and Badawi, their combined IQ levels could well be higher than that of anyone of us individually.  melurian will of course now say that he AND Badawi are smarter than anyone of us.  Gramatically correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>melurian, the high IQ friend, posted this:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and how are you going to proof that moon is further than singapur without looking at “wikipedia”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Between melurian and Badawi, their combined IQ levels could well be higher than that of anyone of us individually.  melurian will of course now say that he AND Badawi are smarter than anyone of us.  Gramatically correct.</p>
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		<title>By: AhPek</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122159</link>
		<dc:creator>AhPek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Otherwise voters will have to just bear with it and pay the price and we are capable of great suffering.We are not tough in tackling pain but we can take a
beating for a long time.Its  a little known secret that our leaders know.&quot;.Bigjoe.

What you are saying may somewhat explain why we are still taking it lying low in spite of the bludgeoning inflicted by a corrupt government that is also
discriminatory for the past 50 years! Most groups would have revolted long time ago.But we prefer to suffer in silence.This is precisely why they say we deserve the government we get.Unless we learn this truth the bludgeoning will continue.If we want change we have to act in unison to get BN out, no ifs and buts, whether it be thro PEOPLE&quot;S POWER or thro THE BALLOT BOX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Otherwise voters will have to just bear with it and pay the price and we are capable of great suffering.We are not tough in tackling pain but we can take a<br />
beating for a long time.Its  a little known secret that our leaders know.&#8221;.Bigjoe.</p>
<p>What you are saying may somewhat explain why we are still taking it lying low in spite of the bludgeoning inflicted by a corrupt government that is also<br />
discriminatory for the past 50 years! Most groups would have revolted long time ago.But we prefer to suffer in silence.This is precisely why they say we deserve the government we get.Unless we learn this truth the bludgeoning will continue.If we want change we have to act in unison to get BN out, no ifs and buts, whether it be thro PEOPLE&#8221;S POWER or thro THE BALLOT BOX.</p>
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		<title>By: ktteokt</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122157</link>
		<dc:creator>ktteokt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop serving sodo-mee, I prefer sodo-mihun or sodo-kuehteow lah!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop serving sodo-mee, I prefer sodo-mihun or sodo-kuehteow lah!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: lextcs</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122152</link>
		<dc:creator>lextcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>those who lives by sword will die by the sword eventually.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>those who lives by sword will die by the sword eventually&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: aiD_kamikuP</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122148</link>
		<dc:creator>aiD_kamikuP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;....Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.
If so who would be qualified? Fact is I have not heard of any medical specialist in the field of ‘sodomy’ who could do a better medical examinatrion than Dr Mohamed Osman. There is no such specialization in medical fraternity....&quot;

It is now widely circulating in the UK, Australia and even Singapore that the world&#039;s only sodomy doctor practises in Malaysia. 

Well, here you go!! Another &#039;feather-in-the-cap&#039; achievement for Malaysia in post-Mad-Mamak era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;.Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.<br />
If so who would be qualified? Fact is I have not heard of any medical specialist in the field of ‘sodomy’ who could do a better medical examinatrion than Dr Mohamed Osman. There is no such specialization in medical fraternity&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is now widely circulating in the UK, Australia and even Singapore that the world&#8217;s only sodomy doctor practises in Malaysia. </p>
<p>Well, here you go!! Another &#8216;feather-in-the-cap&#8217; achievement for Malaysia in post-Mad-Mamak era.</p>
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		<title>By: boh-liao</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122140</link>
		<dc:creator>boh-liao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Murder rules! OK! Sodomy, not OK!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Murder rules! OK! Sodomy, not OK!</b><b></b></p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122137</link>
		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey raised this issue

&quot;Yet Hospital Pusrawi said that Dr Mohamed Osman did not conduct a sodomy-related examination on Saiful. Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.&quot;

and asked

&quot;If so who would be qualified?&quot;

Dr Mohamad Osman is permitted to practise in malaysia. He must surely be suitably qualified as a doctor.

All doctors are trained to carry out physical examination. That ought to be their basic training. And observation on injury, torn tissues and scars are, to my mind, nothing more than physical examination.

A sportman who is accustomed to seeing injury and scars is equally able to discern them. Hence, his observation on the presence of injury, torn tissues and scars must also be reliable and acceptable as a statement of fact.

The remark by the hospital does not make terribly good sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey raised this issue</p>
<p>&#8220;Yet Hospital Pusrawi said that Dr Mohamed Osman did not conduct a sodomy-related examination on Saiful. Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.&#8221;</p>
<p>and asked</p>
<p>&#8220;If so who would be qualified?&#8221;</p>
<p>Dr Mohamad Osman is permitted to practise in malaysia. He must surely be suitably qualified as a doctor.</p>
<p>All doctors are trained to carry out physical examination. That ought to be their basic training. And observation on injury, torn tissues and scars are, to my mind, nothing more than physical examination.</p>
<p>A sportman who is accustomed to seeing injury and scars is equally able to discern them. Hence, his observation on the presence of injury, torn tissues and scars must also be reliable and acceptable as a statement of fact.</p>
<p>The remark by the hospital does not make terribly good sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/08/04/malicious-mindset-and-perverted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-122134</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malicious minds and Perverted Priorities. Yes. But

1) Why is change so hard for BN? Is it just simply they don&#039;t want it or they don&#039;t know how?

2) What will it take to change things and what can people reasonably expect?

My believe is that BN cannot change partly because they can&#039;t and partly because they don&#039;t know how. Its why they won&#039;t change and its up to the voters.

What we are seeing is a confluence of global challenges that had been building for years and ignoring it. The influence of globalization, universal values,  technologies, mass modern media and culture while BN went about their ways ignoring them. They won&#039;t change because of habit and they can&#039;t change because they were not ready for it. The writing was already on the wall back in 1997 when Dr. M failures were not punished (make no mistake that Dr. M was more responsible for 1997 financial crises than the Soros and Thais for it) but instead his short-term solutions was hailed. 

Well, voters only hope is that among them can rise people that will take responsibilities OR they will just have to bear with it while the ruling class sort it out. We have Anwar, Sdr. Lim and his colleagues at DAP really making real change. Make no mistakes DAP and to a lesser extent Hindraf is leading the change in ideas maybe not in power.  How far things will change depend on how far their ideas and influence are adopted.

Otherwise voters will have to just bear with it and pay the price and we are capable of great suffering. We are not tough in tackling pain but we can take a beating for a long time. Its a little known secret that our leaders knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malicious minds and Perverted Priorities. Yes. But</p>
<p>1) Why is change so hard for BN? Is it just simply they don&#8217;t want it or they don&#8217;t know how?</p>
<p>2) What will it take to change things and what can people reasonably expect?</p>
<p>My believe is that BN cannot change partly because they can&#8217;t and partly because they don&#8217;t know how. Its why they won&#8217;t change and its up to the voters.</p>
<p>What we are seeing is a confluence of global challenges that had been building for years and ignoring it. The influence of globalization, universal values,  technologies, mass modern media and culture while BN went about their ways ignoring them. They won&#8217;t change because of habit and they can&#8217;t change because they were not ready for it. The writing was already on the wall back in 1997 when Dr. M failures were not punished (make no mistake that Dr. M was more responsible for 1997 financial crises than the Soros and Thais for it) but instead his short-term solutions was hailed. </p>
<p>Well, voters only hope is that among them can rise people that will take responsibilities OR they will just have to bear with it while the ruling class sort it out. We have Anwar, Sdr. Lim and his colleagues at DAP really making real change. Make no mistakes DAP and to a lesser extent Hindraf is leading the change in ideas maybe not in power.  How far things will change depend on how far their ideas and influence are adopted.</p>
<p>Otherwise voters will have to just bear with it and pay the price and we are capable of great suffering. We are not tough in tackling pain but we can take a beating for a long time. Its a little known secret that our leaders knows.</p>
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