BY: M. Bakri Musa
The continuing furor over a college dropout’s allegation that he had been sodomized reveals the malicious mindset and perverted priorities of the Abdullah Administration.
It is also a gross perversion of justice. Those who would have Anwar swear by the Quran and voluntarily donate his DNA to the police, whose reputation is only slightly less soiled than the criminals they apprehend, have it backwards. It is the norm of the civilized world that one is innocent till found guilty; it is for the state to prove its case beyond any reasonable doubt.
I can excuse law-illiterate Abdullah for not appreciating such nuances, but for his law-trained ministers like Rais Yatim and Syed Hamid not to know that is reprehensible. They are breaching their profession’s ethics and ideals.
Besides, since when has our Quran been debased to a lie detector? If only the truth could thus be readily sought, we would not need expensive forensic investigations! Such naiveté!
What with the economic challenges, endemic corruption, and rampant crime in the country, our leaders’ voyeuristic obsession on this alleged male-on-male khalwat represents gross misuse of scarce state resources, a flagrant perversion of priorities.
Perverted Priorities
In this 21st Century, a charge of sodomy sounds so, well, medieval! To think that in Malaysia today that ‘crime’ carries a 20-year prison term! Perhaps some diligent law student could tell us the last time there was a sodomy trial in Malaysia. I am not counting the 1998 case against Anwar Ibrahim that was subsequently overturned on appeal.
That was nothing more than a crude political maneuver to smear and silence the former Deputy Prime Minister. The glaringly shoddy forensic investigation and amateurish prosecution did not in the least embarrass the authorities.
Nonetheless, in the process Anwar suffered that infamous black eye, the result of being senselessly beaten while in custody by no less than the Chief of Police. The country however suffered an even more damaging black eye, figuratively speaking, from that sorry episode.
Many countries have repealed their sodomy laws making it no longer a crime. Even prudish Singapore reduced the penalty to a maximum of only two years, a far cry from Malaysia’s 20!
Such an enlightened attitude does not mean that society treats lightly or refuses to acknowledge male-on-male sexual assaults. Many jurisdictions have removed the gender specificity to the crime of rape, meaning it can be perpetrated by man on man. It would not surprise me that, like everything else, the Malaysian penal code has yet to be updated to recognize this new reality.
Unlike rape, which requires the legal determination of lack of consent, sodomy does not have that statutory burden. Enough that sperms (or any tissue) other than that of Saiful’s were found in his anus, a fact that could be established through forensic examination. That overrides the “he says, she says” (or in this case, ‘he’) argument. The authorities’ long delay following completion of the forensic examination signals something sinister.
In the context of modern criminal law, what the young man is alleging is that he had been raped. Of course in conservative Muslim Malaysia, a rape charge does not quite have the same devastating political impact as that of sodomy. Indeed, in UMNO’s upcoming party elections one of the candidates for Vice-President was once accused of raping an underage girl.
This sodomy investigation is less the seeking of justice for a ‘soiled’ pretty boy, as Abdullah would like us to believe, more an orchestrated political exercise in character assassination. The recent public opinion polls confirm this.
Meanwhile there are two statutory declarations linking Deputy Prime Minister Najib Razak and his wife Rosmah to the brutal murder of a Mongolian model, a translator in the scandalous multibillion dollar submarine deal with France. By whatever measure, the viciousness of the crime or the personalities implicated, these other two allegations are considerably more serious. You would not know that from the reactions (or lack thereof) of the officials.
This sodomy allegation has been commented upon by ministers, senior officials, and Members of Parliament. Don’t they have substantive matters to worry about? Even science-illiterate Abdullah has suddenly become an expert on DNA and its use in forensic investigations!
Now we have evidence that another physician had also examined the young man and found no external indications of bodily injury. This fact was known to the police but it chose to ignore it, until the report was exposed by Raja Petra in his Malaysia-Today.
Although that first physician’s assessment was not a formal forensic examination, nonetheless its negative clinical findings cannot be dismissed. Discrepancy between it and the subsequent official forensic examination must be explained. It throws reasonable doubt to the charge.
The story gets even more bizarre. The victim had a special “visit” with Deputy Prime Minister Najib Razak right after the alleged incident. Najib apparently took pity to this stranger. Such paternal concerns! Even more inexplicable is why Najib or his subordinates would allow access of this nondescript political climber.
Serious Problems Neglected
There is no shortage of critical problems facing the country. Citizens’ concerns are far from these sexual shenanigans, real or alleged, lurid or otherwise. They are too busy eking out their daily living. Our leaders’ preoccupation with these silly things merely confirms our deepest suspicions of incompetence and omission at the highest levels.
We suffer daily through the rot of our institutions, as when we visit the land office to pay our assessments or see the dilapidation and neglect that is our children’s school. On the roads we are harassed by those menacing Mat Rempits and have to contend with those boys in blue demanding their share of the “road toll.”
Where are our leaders? Asleep at the wheel, and with Abdullah, literally so! With the upcoming UMNO elections in December, they are even more distracted.
Tun Mahathir, hitherto a trenchant critic of Abdullah, unhesitatingly supports him in this latest action, declaring that it is unlikely for Abdullah to be stupid enough to repeat his (Mahathir’s) mistake of a decade ago. Mahathir deludes himself if he believes that Abdullah has now suddenly become smart or has his priorities right. Mahathir is also mistaken if he thinks that Anwar is as stupid as Abdullah to repeat or be caught with the same mistake.
Contrary to Mahathir’s new-found assessment, Abdullah is as inept and incompetent now as he was before Saiful’s statutory declaration. Abdullah will remain so until we get rid of him. Mahathir was wrong on Abdullah before (as he now readily admits); Mahathir is wrong on Abdullah now.
When Mahathir asserted that we must get rid of Abdullah for the good of the party and country, his message resonated with the masses. In supporting Abdullah’s current foolish action, Mahathir not only risks diluting his central message but also jeopardizes his last chance at remedying his earlier grievous error in anointing Abdullah.
With Abdullah asleep at the wheel, continue to expect the worse. As for this sodomy charge, look ahead to the mainstream media to be filled with silly utterances of our politicians and pundits, as well as prurient details of this slimy case. I for one do not look forward to the graphic description of the private anatomy of this pretty boy who started the ball (pardon me, his balls) rolling.

#1 by limkamput on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 10:50 pm
I think all the democratic processes, election, and separation of power, whichever ways you choose to look at them are a farce. There is no avenue for peaceful transition of power in Malaysia anymore. Let’s don’t kid ourselves. Am I right undergrad2?
#2 by Jeffrey on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 10:56 pm
///In this 21st Century, a charge of sodomy sounds so, well, medieval!/// – Dr Bakri Musa.
You can say that again!
Just the other day (July 20) Pink Triangle Foundation programme’s director Raymond Tai said that “The public should be aware and understand that sexuality is a personal affair and should be accepted.” The government was urged by the foundation to address discrimination against homosexuals, adding the money allocated for welfare could be used for campaigns to educate the public on sexual orientation. Homosexuals were urged to be brave in talking about their sexual proclivity. More important a member of cabinet represaenting the government – Women, Family and Community Development Minister Datuk Dr Ng Yen Yen – said that homosexuals were also eligible for welfare aid and said they could apply for it if they meet the necessary requirements. See report in The Star Sunday July 20 in this link:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/7/20/nation/21863209&sec=nation
If the government were sympathetic to plight of homosexuals (a position represented by Dr Ng Yen Yen – why now seek to actively prosecute sodomy (an act associated with homosexuals)? Where is the internal consistency in policies?
#3 by IloveDAPforever on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:07 pm
I can’t believe that this scumbag & innocent looking traitor Ezam can just turn his back on his once good friend Anwar and attacking him with threats to expose Parti Keadilan’s ‘secrets’.
Just wonder if he doesn’t know what shameful means in acts of betrayal !
Hope he will get pelted with rotten eggs when he campaigns in Permatang Pauh for the rotten BeEND. He must have been well- rewarded to cross over to the BeEND sinking ship. Maybe he is looking forward to sit on Companies’ Board of Directors and getting a Tan Sri like Lee Lam Thye when he abandoned DAP just before a General Election.
#4 by sam_marine2005 on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:16 pm
hello there,
lets all (rakyat) contribute for a better future for malaysians.
http://www.petitiononline.com/6ai18u26/petition.html
sam
#5 by IloveDAPforever on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:20 pm
Just watched the Singapore Channel News Asia’s news announcing that Bodohwi’s popular ratings have tumbled from a high of 91% during his MrClean days as PM to a current low of 42% .
It is so embarassing to watch our thickskinned, tidakapa attitude & most useless PM (not counting Tun Mamak) proudly consoling himself that it is ok and normal to have fluctuating surveys. Real thick skinned & must be made a laughing stock in efficient Singapore. What a rotten PM !!
#6 by Jeffrey on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:22 pm
It is said that authorities are contemplating charging Anwar for unnatural act under section 377A of the Penal Code.
Section 377(A) says that “any person who has sexual connection with another person by the introduction of the penis into the anus or mouth of the other person is said to commit carnal intercourse against the order of nature”.
Why are then investigations made against Anwar for suspicions of anal sex and no investigations or charge against Dr Chua So Lek for oral sex (that he admitted) though both acts are defined “unnatural” by 377(A)?
Don’t get me wrong : I am not suggesting any charge to be levied against ex health minister, and I regret even to have to cite such an example but it has to be done to demonstrate selective enforcement of law. (Both acts were covered by same section 377A).
It cannot be said often enough that for law and its enforcement to be respected by the rakyat their application should not be selective.
Else it becomes a farce. Look at the findings of Dr Mohamed Osman of Hospital Pusrawi that there was no evidence of sodomy on Saiful. This should be end of matter. It was the first finding made by a medical practitioner after Saiful complained of anal pain and being sodomised. The first medical examination – and finding – is always the most important as it records most immediately what was allegedly supposed to have taken place just before.
Yet Hospital Pusrawi said that Dr Mohamed Osman did not conduct a sodomy-related examination on Saiful. Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.
If so who would be qualified? Fact is I have not heard of any medical specialist in the field of ‘sodomy’ who could do a better medical examinatrion than Dr Mohamed Osman. There is no such specialization in medical fraternity here related to sodomy. If there were such a specialist how many ‘patients’ like Saiful he would get a year???
#7 by wizzerd on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:38 pm
We have the biggest village idiot in the world for a PM!!!
Just read his reply to reports of his plunging popularity////,,,so blardy stupid..equally stupid are his remarks with regard to the MRR2 cracks.
#8 by lhslhv on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:38 pm
For Melurian
I had a former Diploma student who was very good in talking about a religion. Whether they were sensible or logical was immaterial. When it came to study he was a mediocre.
Some people can be like him who has no sense of right or wrong. The intelligence level is dubious.
#9 by mohrafael on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:03 am
PM & his deputy just orchestrated “a morning sickness”, so much so it’s very, very unbecoming of national leaders,…and they are still harping on! When we were still children, we called this “cartoon”. this is even low-class cartoon. There are many more important issues PM and deputy need to address urgently, and resolve; don’t neglect further lah, otherwise directors from Hollibood will approach such people, for cartoon roles, not lead roles unfortunately. Long live DSAI, PR all the best..
#10 by nafasbaru on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:42 am
it is an abuse of the Quran.
#11 by Jong on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:43 am
Godfather Says:
Yesterday at 18: 25.20
At an official function, Badawi was asked which was nearer – Singapore or the moon. Badawi replied: “The moon-lah. Don’t think I am stupid. You can’t see Singapore from here, can you ?”
———-
A good one, rolled in laughter, nearly fell of the chair! :D
Imagine those ampu bodeks still insist he stays as President of UMNO. Something’s terribly wrong with the whole bunch of them.
#12 by Rakyat Teraniaya on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:53 am
YB Lim, it’s now time for you to mobilize DAP election machinery and PAS to also mobilize theirs to fully support DSAI on his struggle to get access to the parliament and oust racist corrupt useless badawi najib khairy regime. Let’s all show solidarity, trust, cooperation and the common goal for the betterment of Malaysia in between Pakatan Rakyat members. Good luck and God bless.
Long Live Pakatan Rakyat!
Long Live PKR!
Long Live DAP!
Lnng Live PAS!
#13 by melurian on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:00 am
“Badawi replied: “The moon-lah. Don’t think I am stupid. You can’t see Singapore from here, can you ?””
i called him smart if he answered this for the riddle – he answered in short, simple and straightforward with “valid” reason, and “out of box” too. and how are you going to proof that moon is further than singapur without looking at “wikipedia”.
#14 by nafasbaru on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:03 am
yskong Says:
“can a 61yrs old man force a strong young healthy 23yrs old macho-man to open his ass for him to penetrate while against his will?”
Yah! And on eight different occasions! Can you beat that? A 61-yr old grandpa (with backache) forced the belt, the buckle, the pants and panty off this 23 yr-old in his prime. Then he forced him to open his arse for penetration. My God! Who on earth can believe such filthy trickery as this? We are already the laughing stock of the world.
#15 by Richardqed on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:40 am
“Badawi replied: “The moon-lah. Don’t think I am stupid. You can’t see Singapore from here, can you ?””
i called him smart if he answered this for the riddle – he answered in short, simple and straightforward with “valid” reason, and “out of box” too. and how are you going to proof that moon is further than singapur without looking at “wikipedia”. — melurian.
Without a doubt: the real Bodohwi would side-step the question because he does not know the answer as usual, and instead embark on some moronic statements to stall for time until the end of the interview. Feel free to dig for video clips of his interviews with foreign news agencies.
#16 by choonchoy on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:00 am
Enough with the sodomy crap, already. What about oral sex? I would guess many a persons would be found guilty for this one. Mr porn star should be charged, shouldn’t he? Just because nobody made a police report, so no case? I thought if it was law then the “crime” is against the state. Then again, our governors think we are booooh doooh. Yup, we are boooh doooh, they are still there.
Here’s a HYPOTHETICAL situation. Lets say there is a beggar without any friends or family. This unfortunate beggar gets gruesomely decapitated by some thugs and the whole event was caught on video, with the penetrators faces clearly captured. They disposed the body carefully. The person who filmed the crime didn’t want to make a report but he sent the tape to the police anonymously. So, should or should not the thugs be brought to justice?
Now back to the famous anus 2, even if the sodomy charges are true which I find it hard to stomach. I don’t give a shit about anybodies sexual orientation as long as it is not forced and all parties are of age (unlike someone, old enough to be her grandfather). The most important thing is he/she has what it takes to lead the country forwards and not backwards!!!
B N stop this obsession with Sayfoul backside. If you like it so much go kiss it for all I care but do something about the economy.
Yes, guys I know it is hopeless. They are deaf and duff.
MRR2
MRR bridge is falling down,
Falling down, Faling down,
MRR bridge is falling down,
Mr Presley.
Take a key and lock them up,
Lock them up, Lock them up.
Take a key and lock them up,
I Gee Pee.
Never mind with Sayfoul’s ass
Sayfoul’s ass, Sayfoul’s ass,
Never mind with Sayfoul’s ass
I Gee Pee
How will we build it up,
Build it up, Build it up,
How will we build it up,
My fellow rakyat?
Build it up with gold and silver,
gold and silver, gold and silver.
Build it up with gold and silver,
The Primate is drooling.
Gold and silver we have none,
we have none, we have none.
Gold and silver we have none,
It has all been plundered.
My butt has pins and needles,
pins and needles, pins and needles.
My butt has pins and needles,
Caused by the (toooot (self censor)) jam.
Hey, I said pins and needles,
pins and needles, pins and needles.
I said pins and needles,
Sayfoul don’t get horny.
You should have used wood or stone,
wood or stone, wood or stone.
You should have used wood or stone,
Then there’ll be some scars.
Now what do with this falling bridge,
falling bridge, falling bridge,
Now what do with this falling bridge,
Before someone GETS HURT.
Build it up with stone so strong,
Stone so strong, Stone so strong.
Build it up with stone so strong,
Mr Presley.
Stone so strong will last so long,
Last so long, Last so long.
Stone so strong will last so long,
Not in Bolehland.
That’s because it looks like stone,
looks like stone, looks like stone,
That’s because it looks like stone,
But it’s Marble cake.
Ho Chiak!!!
#17 by pjboy on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:02 am
When is sha-biri chick stepping down? He promised to do so if he failed in the debate, which he did miserably. Not living up to his words. Typical BN v-i-p.
Would love to see a debate between PM & DSAI. That should be the way. Top leader vs Top leader. Top leader sending a sheep for slaughter is no leader but a coward in hiding.
Btw, who wouldn’t want DSWA (ex Permatang Pauh MP) to be the next Malaysia’s 1st lady? Currently got 3 choices: Jeanne, Rosmah & Wan Azizah. Take your pick.
#18 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:22 am
mohrafael Says:
Today at 00: 03.03 (2 hours ago)
PM & his deputy just orchestrated “a morning sickness”, so much so..”
Are they pregnant?? Do we know who the fathers are??
#19 by bennylohstocks on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:36 am
BUTT EXAMINATION HERE
#20 by Loyal Malaysian on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 3:14 am
Well said!
But the sad fact of the matter is that the MSM is totally in the hands of the UMNOputras[yes, even The Sun] and so they will dispense the conspirators version of truth
And only those of us with access to the Net will get a neutral analysis like yours.
So, let’s see what type of mattress will be dragged into court this time.!!
#21 by trublumsian on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 3:33 am
did the nature of saifool’s complaint ever got released to the press?
all the hoopla is on whether the igp finds the evidence at hand, or lack of, is enough to charge anwar. what many westerners find baffling, though, is the illogicality in the whole purported crime. for example how did a 63 year old man with a bad back get a 23 year old dude not only to strip, but bend over, AND succumb to the dildo??? IF the whole boopah did happen, either a gun was to saiful’s head, or he played the willing! how does bn answer to that??
#22 by bumi-non-malay on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 5:22 am
Role Model and Example For Malaysia are Karpal Singh, Tan Seng Giaw, Lim Kit Siang, Lim Guan Eng…….
so ….
pulau_sibu:
Wan Azizah should be the role model for not just Malaysian women, but also women in the muslim world. As a woman, she moved to the political forefront and she performs so much more better than men. She is sure going to inspire many women in the world, especially among the muslim countries.
You must be a new generation being fed with history that are not accurate. Give me Marina Yussof anytime as Role Model of muslim women and why is DAP taking so long to ask Marina Yussof to join DAP??
For your information Wan Azizah while she was DPM wife and praticing doctor at University Hospital was so arrogant and so Islamic that she never touched a non-malay because it was her Islamic teaching from Abang…..Thanks be to Allah that Anwar needed a wake up call from Tun Dr. Senile to see things more clearly in life. Today its a 180 degree change……
There are thousand more muslim women who can be model and example….and not necessary wear tudung.
#23 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 5:52 am
News about Altantuya and Najib and Saiful and Anwar took half a page of the New York Times today! It is disgraceful!
#24 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 5:52 am
News about Altantuya and Naji*b and Saiful and Anwar took half a page of the New York Times today! It is disgraceful!
#25 by svarta_vingar on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 7:12 am
i just want DR.M to be our PM again.
#26 by Kathy on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 7:23 am
Undergrad2, no juicy news about the Presidential candidates (Obama and McCain) that they have to resort to dig news from the other side of the earth????
#27 by Malaysian Mummy on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 7:39 am
UMNO old dirty political tactics nothing but talking racist issues as claimed by Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, “Nak tolong melayu kena tindas cina, nak tolong cina kena pukul melayu, ini politik lama.” whereas UMNO components parties, MCA, MIC, Gerakan, PBS, SUPP, LDP etc are chicken out parties dare not voice a single word to defend their own races. It is very shameful indeed for all matured parties in BN government for past 50 years are still playing racist cards and talking on racist line. The BN leaders forgot about Bangsa Malaysia agenda but continued to confuse rakyat using cakap cakap kosong dan false promises to deceive the rakyat.
NY Times carried 1/2 page stories about Najis & Mongolia girl C4 case and sodomy case on Saiful were shameful stories for future premiership of Malaysia commented by a Negro cab driver in Washington lately.
Pak Lah said “NEVER MIND” his fall in popularity ( unquote : As long as he enriched UMNO cronies, families and allies at the rakyat expenses to suffer inflation and prices increased ) What a shameful PM to accept a setback result with a smiling face ?
Last but not least, a Doomday for Malaysia Boleh !
#28 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:12 am
Kathy,
The heading reads “Political sex scandals rock modest Malaysia” and it was a good half a page of the New York Times – with pictures of Naj*ib, Badawi and Anwar. To make it to the New York Times at all is a big deal even over here!
Half a page of advertisement would set you back by US$1,500.00
#29 by taiking on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:38 am
Look at the brighter side of things, guys.
WE HAVE FREE PUBLICITY.
IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
The publicity angle may not be too flattering but hey its free.
Cant complain too much.
Besides, like our leaders who have thick skin and skulls, we must be able to brush things off with a smile and say:
“Nevermind-lah.”
#30 by AhPek on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:42 am
Kasim Amat,
What the hell are you doing,still sleeping or something? Go quickly and tell Mike Tyson plus all other bosses and sue the pants off New York Times for spreading lies.
#31 by Godfather on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:53 am
The Sun’s headline says it all:
“Stop Making People Angry and Hate the Government, PM tells civil servants”.
Sleepy Head now blames the civil servants. It’s so obvious that the 4th Floor boys have brainwashed him to the point that he thinks he is the prettiest of them all.
#32 by Bigjoe on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:58 am
Malicious minds and Perverted Priorities. Yes. But
1) Why is change so hard for BN? Is it just simply they don’t want it or they don’t know how?
2) What will it take to change things and what can people reasonably expect?
My believe is that BN cannot change partly because they can’t and partly because they don’t know how. Its why they won’t change and its up to the voters.
What we are seeing is a confluence of global challenges that had been building for years and ignoring it. The influence of globalization, universal values, technologies, mass modern media and culture while BN went about their ways ignoring them. They won’t change because of habit and they can’t change because they were not ready for it. The writing was already on the wall back in 1997 when Dr. M failures were not punished (make no mistake that Dr. M was more responsible for 1997 financial crises than the Soros and Thais for it) but instead his short-term solutions was hailed.
Well, voters only hope is that among them can rise people that will take responsibilities OR they will just have to bear with it while the ruling class sort it out. We have Anwar, Sdr. Lim and his colleagues at DAP really making real change. Make no mistakes DAP and to a lesser extent Hindraf is leading the change in ideas maybe not in power. How far things will change depend on how far their ideas and influence are adopted.
Otherwise voters will have to just bear with it and pay the price and we are capable of great suffering. We are not tough in tackling pain but we can take a beating for a long time. Its a little known secret that our leaders knows.
#33 by taiking on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 9:02 am
Jeffrey raised this issue
“Yet Hospital Pusrawi said that Dr Mohamed Osman did not conduct a sodomy-related examination on Saiful. Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.”
and asked
“If so who would be qualified?”
Dr Mohamad Osman is permitted to practise in malaysia. He must surely be suitably qualified as a doctor.
All doctors are trained to carry out physical examination. That ought to be their basic training. And observation on injury, torn tissues and scars are, to my mind, nothing more than physical examination.
A sportman who is accustomed to seeing injury and scars is equally able to discern them. Hence, his observation on the presence of injury, torn tissues and scars must also be reliable and acceptable as a statement of fact.
The remark by the hospital does not make terribly good sense to me.
#34 by boh-liao on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 9:05 am
Murder rules! OK! Sodomy, not OK!
#35 by aiD_kamikuP on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 9:45 am
“….Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.
If so who would be qualified? Fact is I have not heard of any medical specialist in the field of ‘sodomy’ who could do a better medical examinatrion than Dr Mohamed Osman. There is no such specialization in medical fraternity….”
It is now widely circulating in the UK, Australia and even Singapore that the world’s only sodomy doctor practises in Malaysia.
Well, here you go!! Another ‘feather-in-the-cap’ achievement for Malaysia in post-Mad-Mamak era.
#36 by lextcs on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 9:55 am
those who lives by sword will die by the sword eventually…..
#37 by ktteokt on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 10:16 am
Stop serving sodo-mee, I prefer sodo-mihun or sodo-kuehteow lah!!!!
#38 by AhPek on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 10:23 am
“Otherwise voters will have to just bear with it and pay the price and we are capable of great suffering.We are not tough in tackling pain but we can take a
beating for a long time.Its a little known secret that our leaders know.”.Bigjoe.
What you are saying may somewhat explain why we are still taking it lying low in spite of the bludgeoning inflicted by a corrupt government that is also
discriminatory for the past 50 years! Most groups would have revolted long time ago.But we prefer to suffer in silence.This is precisely why they say we deserve the government we get.Unless we learn this truth the bludgeoning will continue.If we want change we have to act in unison to get BN out, no ifs and buts, whether it be thro PEOPLE”S POWER or thro THE BALLOT BOX.
#39 by Godfather on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 10:25 am
melurian, the high IQ friend, posted this:
“…and how are you going to proof that moon is further than singapur without looking at “wikipedia”.”
Between melurian and Badawi, their combined IQ levels could well be higher than that of anyone of us individually. melurian will of course now say that he AND Badawi are smarter than anyone of us. Gramatically correct.
#40 by taiking on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 10:53 am
Melurian let me tell you a secret.
At the at strike of the precise minute past midnight on the 31st of December each year, climb somewhere high, like a coconut tree.
And then stretch out your right arm. You can actually touch the moon.
Its true. Try it.
Dont tell anyone I told you this secret.
OK?
#41 by dranony on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 11:43 am
Regarding this ‘swearing on the Quran’ issue:
I don’t see what Anwar would gain by agreeing to swear on the Quran in Masjid Negara, before all the Ulamaks in Malaysia.
Anal intercourse would already be a sin against God (as per the religion, iianm).
If a chap already knowingly commits such a sin (hoping that others do not know, but also knowing that God will surely know), then why would he worry about doing something (swearing on the Quran) that can easily convince others that we did not commit the first sin?
Swearing is between one and God. Nothing else is really proven to anyone else. As Bakri Musa says, it’s not a lie-detector for humans.
To read proof of guilt into Anwar’s refusal to swear, one must assume:
1. That Anwar is fearful of God’s wrath.
2. That Anwar is guilty of sodomy as accused.
But therein lies the rub – for if the second assumption is true, that would mean that the first cannot be.
Conversely, on the part of Saiful, if he is indeed willing to submit to the religious edicts, then he should realise that to prove his allegation under islamic law, he would have to bring four eye-witnesses of good standing who had actually seen the act with their own eyes. Failure to do that, would render himself guilty of false accusation (qazaf) – an extremely serious violation that would render him an unbeliever, in addition to being flogged.
If Saiful’s allegations (of being sodomised several times) are true, then it would mean that he did not protest or report the previous few times. This would mean that he was a consensual partner in the sodomy acts, at least those times in which he did not lodge a police report. If indeed he was a willing sodomy partner, then he would know that these acts were against Islamic principles. How then would the public value his integrity, in agreeing to swear by the Quran.
It just doesn’t make sense, does it?
#42 by i_love_malaysia on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 11:52 am
MRR2 problem – It is another case of fatt sayen choy i.e. making profit or money out of disaster!!! The last time it happened and “those responsible” had made tons of money from the repairs and now it is another chance to make tons of money from it again, there will be no ending to this, “those responsible” will blame the previous minister because the previous minister was Semi Value!!!
Now AAB blamed the incompetent govt servants, but no action taken to address what happened, why it happened, how it happened, who is responsible, when etc etc., so that it would not occur again!!!
#43 by boilingmad on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:51 pm
Godfather: “You obviously can’t tell the difference since your individual IQ is very low but the cumulative IQ between you and Badawi could possibly bring that up a little bit.” I beg to differ … I think the cumulative IQ of the two would make it worse cos their IQs would be in the negative … the firsts in history to have negative IQ!
#44 by taiking on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:19 pm
MRR2 problem – Can the bridge be repaired?
The main bridge support structure is in the shape of a “T”. We have a main stem in the middle (i.e. the column) and two cantilever beams on either side. The bridge deck sits atop the two cantilever sections – that means one bridge deck on each cantilever beam. Each of the decks is wide enough to accommodate 3 lanes. So in total there are 6 lanes.
Loadings upon the bridge come in several forms: 1) self weight; 2) vehicles weight; 3) dynamic loads; 4) wind; and 5) earthquake loads. Wind load and earthquake are not very critical in malaysia.
The weight of vehicles would be carried by the cantilever beams. There the beams would transfer the load to the column in the form of vertical load and bending.
The T structure is actually an unstable structure. The loading that is being applied to it by its self (dead) weight and the weight of vehicles travelling on top are enormous. Besides, the loading on one side of the cantilever beam must be balanced by the loading on the other side. If not, the T structure will just tip over to the heavier side.
So, in bridge design one must always consider the worst case loading scenario. As already elaborated above, this would happen when the bridge deck on one side of the cantilever is fully loaded and the other side is empty. In real life, this could be represented by a traffic jam on one side and road closure on the other.
Loading the deck fully is necessary for determining the cross-section size of the cantilever beam and for calculating the amount of strenghtening needed. Usually, strenghtening is achieved by means of steel reinforcement bars. But due to the large cantilever span and the enormous amount of loading, prestressed cables are used instead. Of course, one must not forget to consider dynamic loading. Moving vehicles will exert a lot more force on the structure than stationary ones.
In the event of lopsided loading (without the benefit of a counter-balancing load on the other side), the column must be able to stand up to the tipping over forces. The tipping over forces that bear upon the column comes about as a result of bending in the cantilever beam. The bending force created by the bending is described as bending-moment. It is this bending-moment that the column must be able to stand-up to. The maximum stress brought about by the bending (with dynamic loading taken into consideration) must be added to the maximum amount of stress caused by vertical load to see if the column is sufficiently designed both is cross section size and in steel reinforcement.
The column would then transfer the whole load to the ground through its foundation. For bridge construction, piles would be needed for the work.
From available pictures, the MRR2 bridge appears to have failed at the cantilever sections. 31 out of a total of 33 cantilever sections failed. My gut feeling is this could be a design fault or a concerted effort to cut corners. Genuine construction error will not repeat itself so regularly or so extensively unless one is talking about errors committed on a very gross scale. Even then I would expect a more random pattern of failure.
The cantilever beams were prestressed. When bent, the top half of the beam would experience tension pull as oppose to the bottom half which would experience compression. Concrete is strong in compression but weak in tension. The prestressing is then applied across the whole cross-section of the beam in a carefully designed amount such that it would cancel out the tensile forces on the top half when the beam is fully loaded.
When prestressed, the free end of a cantilever beam actually lifts upwards slightly. And when loaded, it will be depressed and the tensile stresses on the top half of the beam would then be cancelled out.
From this description, it can be seen that prestressed concrete structures are actually more flexible than steel reinforced ones. If the prestressing is insufficient, of the beam section is too small, then the desired crossing out of stresses will not take place. In a loaded cantilever beam, this would be translated into cracks on the top portion of the beam – ie that part of the beam under tension.
Can the beams be repaired?
Extremely difficult. Its only fair to say that I do not have the benefit of studying the german technology that was applied in the repair two years ago. One major difficulty in any repair effort must be ensuring that the presstressed bridge remain flexible after repair. Otherwise, whatever strengthening afforded by the prestressing (albeit insufficient, only an assumption) would be lost. In other words, the panelling affixed to the bridge must not be hard ones. At the same time, they must be able to withstand high tensile forces.
But how high? If it is higher than the tensile strenght of the cables used in the prestressing, then the panels would basically end up absorbing more of the loadings on the bridge. This would not do because then the panels would have to be very thick. If it is too weak, then it would be quite useless.
This is one case where pure design analysis and calculation would not be sufficient. A laboratory test is needed to determine the workability of the design.
#45 by Jimm on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:41 pm
This country government policies have been badly involved with high level of corruption practices that everything must come to an end one day. The government have been very good in covering up all these ‘cases’ since the 50s and each decade, they seems to make bigger histories in covering the previous one.
Everyone in the government habe read through the book of national scam and agreed for the appointment of post in order to carry on the corruption level to the next higher one.
We have come to a stage that the entire system are heating up and will collapse soon. We are broke !!!
AAB will be the last mohican in getting most out from the pot in the shortest tenure. He have to break records due to the wealth that can be easily obtain through the country nature resources.
Anyway, Rakyat will have to stand together and demand for our rights in making Malaysia , Malaysian.
#46 by sirrganass on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:39 pm
Lim Kit Siang now has started talking about AlQuran? And he knows it’s content? Wow… wonderful, you are, Sir!
Of course many non-muslim will laugh at Quran, But if any one of you recognized that this book has teachings practiced by billion of people in this world… and this book is the reason why PAS and UMNO is different (what the hell does PAS is talking about… Qizas? Hudud?… Murabalah bla bla bla? mahasusah?)…. if any non-muslim recognizes the glory of Quran… then, you are the one that fully understand what is PAKATAN RAKYAT (Pas is there in Pakatan Rakyat !!! ).
Go ahead and don’t follow alquran if you hate it so much. You are NOT REQUIRED to follow it either… it is for muslim only. And the sentence “no compulsion in religion” is also stated in QURAN.
But if LimKitSiang understands even a bit about alquran, then, wow! very good…. GREAT IDEA. So, All of you must start to be like this man. Why? because PAS has to be with YOU in YOUR STRUGGLE. Isn’t that beautiful?
#47 by oknyua on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:45 pm
Mr sirrganass, you are really “ganas”, blowing hot without looking at the writter of this thread. Look carefully, the writter is not Lim Kit Siang, but M Bakri Musa.
#48 by AhPek on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 3:17 pm
Really oknyua,in just one stroke of your pen,you have demolished the poor guy.
#49 by sirrganass on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 5:32 pm
Oh My God… i am not in LimKitSiang’s blog? Ah! nevermind eh! At least everybody knows that QURAN makes PAS different from AMNO and if you people wonder why PAS has totally different approach, even to the extend of choosing to work with DAP rather then with UMNO, then the answer should be in ALQURAN. If ANWAR refuse to swear or Saiful is too eager to swear, then let’s refer to what is stated in QURAN … both are muslim – both MUST follow alquran. IF ONE DOESN’T FOLLOW THE BOOK, then…. what?
You non-muslim can make your own judgment – some muslim are not real muslim! Agree? You know already that many muslim don’t follow the Holy Book. Curruption, Unfair Racial Treatment, UmnoPutra, killing etc etc And they do many bad thing infront of you all and you don’t like these people. Right?
Fine! But NOW: you are to work with PAS. How do you want to go about it? Are you ready for the excitement?
#50 by eloofk on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 7:24 pm
I’m really flabbergasted that a VVIP in the form of a DPM can have the time to entertain a college drop-out seeking his intervention n advice for an application of a scholarship to enter the university.
So, i suggest to the thousands of students trying to apply for scholarships to further their studies in any universities, seek out the DPM for help. Only he n not any civil servants can help.