Sound that you are upset. Why? I reread my comment. In no way, I insulted you or your belief.

As for Godfather, the answer is already known to you. I tell you what. Why do not you ask your mother whether stealing is OK. I bet the answer is the same as that of mine. Again, I fail to understand the rationale of your question.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Frontpage/20080727181042/Article/index_html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFw1ekFSyQs

May the God Bless Us

Is stealing a sin under the Koran ? What about stealing other people’s money ?

Yes. There Sunnis and there Shiites. Just like there are Catholics and there are Protestants. Bottom line is that we, mere mortals are well humans.

I see nothing wrong in Zak _ Hamaad answer’s to you. He is just explaining about Islam to you. In Islamic tradition, Kuran is believed to be pure way back to Prophet’s day. There is no such thing as new King James Version in Islam.

Again, I hope nobody is offended with his remark. I have high regards to religions, be they are Islam, Christianity, Hinduisn or Budhism

If you ask any Malay, you will be given answers that there are excessive politicking between these 2 parties. This is damaging the interests of Malays.

I am neither PAS or UMNO member. But certainly I never fail to notice that never ending arguments between them actually weaken the Malays. And I must tell you that PAS members whom I talk to are actually upset about mega pig farm project in Selangor. The truth is that they are very embarrased as PAS is part of Selangor Govt.

Contrary to what you said, PAS support among the Chinese is not that substantial, although it shows some growth. PAS derives support mainly from Malay community. The same goes to UMNO. Both these parties can stand on their own.

It is other parties such as MCA, MIC , Gerakan that will collapse without Malay support. As for DAP, its anti Malay attitude is actually known as its “hallmark”.

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it is world of choices, you are responsible for your own actions.

Not one values system is better than the other, it is the millenium, we all adapt , it is natural except if you chose not to do so, and it is your own reason for not doing so.

your beliefs and values system is not better than others, keep it to yourself, dont preach to people who do not wish to accept, it can be seen that there is no use of force but only raping, let others do it their ways, please respect other people’s cultures and values system

incidentally it appears the word Hypocrisy came into existed just after the idea of belief or religion came into being .

Man make things to to cure himself in mind and body
For the mind he made religion to cure his non stopping worries and concerns that his brain generates
He create cultures and value system to guide social behavior and conduct
But in society of human beings they are wide disparity in IQ and well being.
So it is never surprising to have so many variants in many things , particularly in interpretation of learnings and thought brought down from ancestors, some cultures have written them down while some dont, some dont even have a written text and only based on verbally within each other family cluster.
So what we see and read and listen are versions of certain people or groups of people. And the writings are explanation of thoughts and observations or findings of the writer.
Those who know the language of the ancient texts interprets them for us to know, so it is an interpretation of a language base on the intepreter’s explanation.
Depending on ones IQ and knowledge in understanding and reasoning, we can have many many versions from the same texts.
We have been fooled….those guys could be laughing at us.

What is face to face talk if it is not a dialog. Can dialog happen without face to face talk?

Perhaps in a dialog, the parties sat with their backs facing each other but they still talk. Audible but not facing each other.

Can a face-to-face talk happen with a dialog? Yes, it is possible when there is a disjointed topics being discussed. For example, one party talks about going to the moon while the other party talking the merits of fishing.

To me, in a regular world, face-to-face talk and dialog is the same.

Someone please enlighten me how the Islamic world differentiate between dialog and face-to-face talk. I need to understand Islam better before I reach any conclusion.

Islam is one; and despite this we have been forewarned of the emergence of 73 sects within Islam, each calling to themselves. However, Islam is safeguarded by it’s sources and everytime another strays from the defined path, it is easy to being them back to the sources and judge according to them. This is something you will not find in any other religion because none have the original sources to go back to.

In conclusion, the Islam that was 1430+ years ago is the same Islam now, time and location and space may change, but the fundamentals creed and actions and methodologies do not change. There are secondary and tertiary levels that are dynamic enough to fit any place and time and space, it is this that is subject to debate and concensus.

See you in the next thread :^)

If the concept is clear, explain why there are Shiites and Sunnis and these two groups of Muslims have been killing each other ever since? The Quoran like the Bible and the Torah are books of faith.

Come down from your high pedestal and stop talking down to readers as if you have the monopoly of the truth. That, in case you missed, is my message to you.

You know very well what I was specifically speaking of. The Qur’anic concept is clear-cut enough for Muslims to accept and not delve into the confusion you propose. Furthermore, it’s bemusing how you add words that were not said nor implied – “sons of God”? lol, maybe this would explain the reason why Trinity remains the single biggest cause of desertion from the Church :^) But that’s a different matter.

“Fact” for you – yes, but Quran, Bible, Torah are books of faith. Long before there was a Quranic Genesis, there was only the Genesis which is also the first of five books of the Torah.

Undergrad2 and Limkamput remind me of a couple who can’t live with each other, and yet can’t live without each other. So they go on airing their dirty linen in public, and follow each other dutifully from thread to thread. I can’t see the sniping ending anytime soon, irrespective of our interference and comments.

Let them grow old together.