by Dr. Chen Man Hin
THE POLICE SHOULD STOP HARSSING ANWAR FOR A BLOOD SAMPLE, AS HE HAD GIVEN SEVERAL DNA SAMPLES BETWEEN 1998 AND 2004.
It is unfair and mischievous to put the blame on Anwar as he is justified in refusing to give further samples. It is not Anwar who is un-coperative. It is the police forensics who are at fault, and insisting on further blood samples when he had already given many times over between 1998 and 2004.
The onus of providing an DNA sample is on the police as it has ample DNA samples of Anwar in its possession.
From the experience of police forensics in other countries, DNA samples collected are well preserved for many many years, and do not get ‘old’ as claimed by PM Abdullah.
The police forensics have misled the prime minister.
The home minister and the police should not try to pull over the eyes of the people. By claiming that Anwar’s DNA samples are old, they are making themselves the laughing stock of the whole world.
Why DNA samples do not grow old. There are many living examples:-
1. Stephen Hawkings Nobel Prize winning physicist has donated his DNA samples to the Human Genome institution for posterity and for research. Professor Hawkins does not subscribe to the claim by PM that a DNA sample can grow old.
2 In advanced countries, DNA samples are collected and stored for purposes of statistics and scientific research.
3. Police forensics in developed countries have DNA libraries of felons and crooks. There are innumerable cases of rapists who escaped but were nabbed years after the crime, because they left tell-tale semen on the clothes of the rape victims .
4 Scientists have discovered preserved DNA in prehistoric humans and animals.
It is obvious that Anwar’s DNA samples given between 1998 and 2004 must be available and intact for examination purposes by police forensics department
The home minister and the police must stop harassing Anwar for new DNA samples. The onus is on the police to provide DNA samples, not by Anwar.
The frantic appeal to Anwar to give a blood sample has caused suspicion that the police have no substantive evidence of sodomy on the body of Saiful in their possession
Public perception is that a fresh blood sample from Anwar is desperately needed in order to fabricate evidence against him.

#1 by wanderer on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 3:45 pm
Should the current govt want to institutionalized into the Federal Constitution of the DNA law, we must resist this from happening, it is simply an invasion on our privacy and human right.
Should they set up a DNA bank, the first donor must obviously be Syed Hamid Albar…..for future generations’ benefit, to examine how a king of clowns behave!
#2 by gundam on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 3:50 pm
dun underestimate AAB, he might be a fool but dont forget his brilliant SIL, curry the great who graduated from oxfart.
#3 by isaaclln on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 4:05 pm
PM has no strong science background is not a good excuse. In Malaysia, most of the national universities have biotechnology faculty. All these faculties have experts in the field of molecular biology. Therefore, PM can always consult them.
The fact that DNA will grow old, is definitely a crap!!!! DNA can be well-preserved in appropriate buffer solution at -20oC for years.
Nowadays, DNA extraction kits are widely used in molecular biology laboratory. Since they had several old blood samples from Anwar, I believe they have lots of his DNA, provided they know the right way to keep it.
Sigh….. what kind of politicians are we having nowadays????? Everyone just thinks of themselves, thinks for the powers, who will ever bother about the country’s development?????? Sigh……… :(
#4 by nyghtsky on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 4:12 pm
MUST SEE! Raja Petra’s ( http://202.75.62.194/ ) – “An evening with an ‘accomplice’ ” outlines his meeting with a witness who was present when Saiful, when they met up with Najis to discuss how to frame DSAI!
RPK claims he has the entire session on VIDEO!!!!
#5 by walao on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 4:27 pm
To Uncle Lim,
Pls advise Annuar that in order to avoid all the hassle and all the debate whose right and wrong to these matter, Annuar at least should appoint a third party forensic and the forensic team should only provide Annuar’s DNA analysis/data and not the blood sample which the police are so eager to get. DNA data should be enough to compare with the evidence on side. No need blood sample. Just DNA profile , case solved.
#6 by Anti_NEP on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 4:40 pm
Only the no brain sleeping PM can claim DNA is too old. Never use his ant size brain to think before he talks
#7 by Evenmind on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 4:51 pm
the Umnoputeras and thier head , and deputy head clown are running the country like gangsters, all the Mafia Dons in italy are no match , here they use the state machinery to blow up people, plant evidence , even in the anus to achieve whatever they are after, but in the international arena ,they are worse off than clowns ,like the ones the super duper law people who lost the case of pedra blanca to the Singapore lawyers ( who are there by merit ).
#8 by pselvams on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 4:52 pm
To NEWDAP.
Well sir, I had the same problem, my son , also by chance in STD 5, asked me the very same question . he told me DNA can be stored in data format for research and history purposes.
So what did I tell him. Well , I felt very embarrassed and told him to read more on DNA.
#9 by Richardqed on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 5:18 pm
When AAB goes for meetings with international dignitaries, I hope he remembers that idiotic statement he made about the DNA. Whoever he is shaking hands with, that the other person will be trying hard not to roll on the floor upon recalling what this joker said.
Truly a worldwide laughing stock he is.
#10 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 5:28 pm
DNA = Dim-witted Numskull Abdullah
#11 by hope for futre on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 5:30 pm
Yes, tell them off.
Incompetent IGP, AG, Home minister, etc.
Making a laughing stock to the whole world.
Please do yourselves a favour and resign en mass.
This sodomy thing is too old to be used. Try something new – original (not follow Mahathir foolish stupid ideas, they worked once) but cry wolf too many times it is stale, the whole country is laughing at Umno/Bn stupidity!
#12 by citizenwatch on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 5:43 pm
Writings on the wall. I saw this graffitti:
“I thought sodomy is the study of moon and stars until I discovered that it’s the study of an act on the part of Saiful where the sun never shines”
#13 by citizenwatch on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 5:46 pm
Please check out Malaysia Today titled, “An evening with an accomplice” where Pete wrote another explosive article regarding his conversation with Saiful’s friend who made a confession!
#14 by budak on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 5:47 pm
see what YM Raja Petra have to says:-
And how will that happen? Well, this time I video-recorded a ‘confession’ session. And the video recording is now in a safe place, ready to surface during my trial when they charge me for this newest ‘crime’, whatever that crime is going to be.
The gist is as follows. When Saiful went to meet Najib, he brought a friend along. And this friend has confessed to the entire thing in a video recording, which I now have in my possession. So bring it on. Give me all you’ve got. Charge me and let us see what happens in court.
Hidup YM Raja Petra
#15 by milduser on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:19 pm
When the whole episode of “So u & me, 2nite” debacle exploded as a repeat of the infamous 1998 one, it was already suspected that it will be a trumped up ploy to nail DSAI and finish him off his political ambition. “So u $ me, 2nite -2″ is a convenient way to implement and execute, so they thought. Using the exact tactic twice (exact copy of TDM’s plot; either TDM should sue for copyright, or else demand rolyalty from the present admistration) gives some pride to TDM. So when a case is suspect in the first place, all SUBSEQUENT so call due process of LAW that occur will NOT be fair and JUSTICE will NOT BE DONE. Full STOP.
#16 by Hishamuddin on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:25 pm
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Hence the need to blow it up…by the Bolehland secret service
#17 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:29 pm
Today in a business meeting, during small talks I was asked which country I came from, I told them I am Malaysian, the next and following questions are all about sodomy. Great!
#18 by eloofk on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:29 pm
I cant help but rolled on the floor each time i came across statements made by ABB n his entire gang of goons. DNA can get old. What rubbish! The DNA they got from DSAI was only ten years ago. I believed they had made a mistake and planted the DNA on themselves. That’s why they ‘Dont No Anything’, especially science and economics.
#19 by milduser on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:30 pm
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#20 by young_malaysian on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:32 pm
If Tun Mahathir is still the PM, i think he wun make tis mistake like his successor… really shame on him… im not sure whether badawi knows about his action being a laughing stock… Malaysian’s image might be dragged down just because of a stupidity statement by Malaysia PM…
#21 by dragon88 on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:35 pm
Bodowi is really bodo ??? We have the most stupid PM. He should sack his adviser immediately. There is no old DNA…
Anwar, you should wear a space-suit or protective clothing whne you go for another interview. They can get your DNA from anything on you, especially, your hair..the glass you use, etc….
#22 by pjboy on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:38 pm
It seems ruling gov give highest priority to this dna topic than more important issues to the rakyat who is suffering in the street.
#23 by I Malaysian on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:43 pm
Making himself as laughing stock
The whole episode is nothing but a political conspiracy as far as Malaysia’s public are concerned. For international community it would not be something that can be easily acceptable. Mind it; we are talking to Singapore, US, Australia and many others who are much more advanced in technology than Malaysia. Are you saying that you could convince them why Anwar needed to provide his DNA samples again or why Police is yet to extend a copy of police report to Anwar?
Dear Mr. Albar, after Shabery broke his nose in the televised debate now its’ your turn to break yours. So have you broken your nose? I presume the answer is YES.
#24 by pjboy on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:46 pm
Did anyone get the email on “money down the toilet”? Big ribbon cutting ceremony just to launch a fully auto toilet downtown. Some tourist thought what was so spectacular only to see our DPM proudly launch an automated public toilet. The tourist were laughing. Yes, Malaysians pay great attention to such trivial things. Wonder how much DBKL makan to get this onto the street. Nothing new lah. We are over 10 years behind. These toilets were already in the streets of Paris city. Why do we need automated cleaning toilet is because Malaysians (or so our DPM is trying to imply) have no habit to clean the toilet & very unhygienic species in this planet. Way to go – yeah. Clap clap clap. The $ could have been put to better use. Btw, the toilet is equipped with aircon !!! No joke.
#25 by pjboy on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:49 pm
Dear YAB LKS,
Challenge Datuk Wong Choon Wai to publish this letter for the benefit of the sound minded & civilised public.
#26 by pjboy on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 6:50 pm
Someone should ask PM if he knows who is Stephen Hawkings. He will probably shut down & go to zzzz.
#27 by tonysam18 on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 7:06 pm
to pselvams and newdap, i give you a very practical solution to the problem of explaining to your Primary 5 sons on the topic of DNA.
You bring them to your regular mee goreng seller and order a plate of sodo mee and ask him what is sodomee. I am sure he will then explain the evolution of the sodomy just like the evolution of the species of charles dickens . Must be finger licking good. The moral of the story is even a mee seller will know that the DNA of a person will not change over time.
I am working overseas and I come back to KUL once every two months or so.
I hope on my next trip back there will be some innovative restaurant selling sodo mee in Puduraya or KLIA. That will be the day.
#28 by Saint on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 7:54 pm
Simple. Go to a trust worthy country, get the genome map done, have it certified and just pass them the print. No need of blood samples. The police want fresh blood. There is no such thing as fresh DNA.
#29 by lovemalaysiaforever on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 8:03 pm
Datuk Liow lagi bodoh when he himself as the Health Minister also asking DSAI to produce his current DNA to settle the complication of this case….
#30 by dapforever on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 8:45 pm
i think our PM should study some science :) What is too old?
#31 by firefox on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 9:23 pm
I think they don’t have watch Jurassic Park. even a small mosquito have dinasour blood from long time ago also can use to remake the dinasour.
4years blood too old? I think the whole country laughing at our Malaysia PM. What a shame. PM wor… Go back study la. even small kid also know.
#32 by yhsiew on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 9:26 pm
Excellent idea from walao:
Anwar needs only produce to the police a certified copy of his DNA profile on a computer CD or a photograph – case solved.
The blood sample is hardly needed.
#33 by pjboy on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 10:00 pm
This is what I don’t understand, or is it just me…
The so-do-me accuser & BN/PDRM/AG-gang behind him claim to have evidence – also swear here & swear there in their underwear. So, if they really have evidence, the PDRM forensics must then perform the DNA on the sample they claim to have obtained from so-do-me shit-hole & lock-up DSAI by now or charge him. Or maybe the evidence point elsewhere…hmmm.
Why? The PDRM already got DSAI DNA profile since 1998. DNA profile don’t change, not even in a million years. So, all the PDRM forensics need to do is to match the DNA obtained from the so-do-me shit-hole & compare that to the DNA profile in 1998…or is the PDRM telling us that the 1998 DNA profile of DSAI do not belong to DSAI??? So, TDM is also sweating in his underwear now if this get’s blown out of proportion.
Who is actually causing the complication? The whole country knows it is the so-do-me & BN/PDRM/AG-gang. Why? Because they have no evidence. Where is the police report & the evidence? This has to be made known to the accused & team of lawyers, incl journalist. Then DSAI just need to go S’pore (or in any neutral ground) to get DNA profile done up & compare that with PDRM forensics result. The sample from PDRM forensics can also be cross-checked in S’pore to confirm that it is relatively fresh & not more than 10 years old. The same sample DSAI submit to S’pore for DNA can then be tested by PDRM forensics. This way, any dispute in the results can be argued, not accused. If this happens, we will all know then what is going on. BN & gang is not letting this one off so easily.
Since this case has been made into such a high profile case, all the claimed evidence of this & that should be published for the interest of the public. Why hide it? This will only cast doubt to the public that there is no evidence. It is then just an accusation. Our 5th grade lawyer homey minister said something about law…what law is applied here? The accused has to prove he is innocent. The accuser do not need to show evidence to the accused. What kind of law is this? If this is the case, everyone can just go around accusing anyone of this & that. Then the accused have to prove that he/she is innocent. What a great law !!! So, here goes: the rakyat accuse the BN-gov of corruption & wasting tax-$. Now the BN-gov have to prove they are not otherwise they have step down or all go to Sg Buloh Resort. If not, it does seem the law is one-sided; to suppress the powerless.
#34 by pjboy on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 10:02 pm
Whoever wrote the script for this so-do-me movie is worst than a b-grade movie.
#35 by despin on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 10:20 pm
If Badawi and goons were employed in the cut-throat private sector, they would have been sacked a long time ago. Instead of focusing on things that matter such as the economy and crime, they are wasting taxpayer’s time and money to be accomplishes to a fabricated sodomy allegation from an insignificant citizen – whose police report the accused has not even seen. And Badawi said that it is not a conspiracy. Hear, hear :-(
#36 by ktteokt on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 10:23 pm
The following is our famous NATIONAL ESSAY, the RUKUNEGARA:
BAHAWASANYA NEGARA KITA MALAYSIA mendukung cita-cita hendak :
mencapai perpaduan yang lebih erat di kalangan seluruh masyarakatnya ;
memelihara satu cara hidup demokratik ;
mencipta satu masyarakat adil di mana kemakmuran Negara akan dapat dinikmati bersama secara adil dan saksama ;
menjamin satu cara liberal terhadap tradisi-tradisi kebudayaannya yang kaya dan berbagai corak ; dan
membina satu masyarakat progresif yang akan menggunakan sains dan teknologi moden.
MAKA KAMI, rakyat Malaysia, berikrar akan menumpukan seluruh tenaga dan usaha kami untuk mencapai cita-cita tersebut berdasarkan atas prinsip-prinsip yang berikut :
KEPERCAYAAN KEPADA TUHAN
KESETIAAN KEPADA RAJA DAN NEGARA
KELUHURAN PERLEMBAGAAN
KEDAULATAN UNDANG-UNDANG
KESOPANAN DAN KESUSILAAN
Just how do you think we can achieve this objective of “membina satu masyarakat progresif yang akan menggunakan sains dan teknologi moden” when our PM can utter such a thing as DNA being “outdated”? If scientists can be using DNA of the mammoths which has been extinct for millions of years for study and cloning purposes, then how can the DNA of Anwar taken 10 years ago become “outdated”? What mentality of a PM who should have governed this country according to the principles laid down in the Rukunegara. No wonder these days, school exercise books are just printed with the five main principles and omitting the preamble as they have silently admitted that the preamble is not an achievable thing and should be omitted.
I still remember swearing to this Rukunegara under the hot sun during school assembly and I feel like an idiot now because the government had never intended to carry out what was written in it. In Malaysia, they legislate because they have to legislate and they write because they have to write. The Rukunegara is therefore no more than a piece of tattered toilet paper fit for wiping asses!!!!!!
#37 by dapsupporter8888 on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 10:25 pm
Hello everyone & excuse me.
I think I ain’t a very intelligent person, considering that I studied arts stream in Form 4 & 5 and was never good in Maths and Science, yet I KNOW for sure that DNA never expires!
And here this UMNO goon, the PM of Malaysia, choose to be ignorant of this fact. I’m sure he knows DNA neevr expires, but he thinks that Malaysians don’t know. As I have said hundred times and I’m gonna say it again here, that PM has obviously chose not to wake up from his beautiful dreams, lest his sleep.
Another case of those “smart” UMNO goons insulting the intelligence of Malaysians!! Including the not-so-smart – me!!
#38 by blablowbla on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 11:05 pm
this is wat DNA all about:
Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms .
faklah,organisms,not orgasms ok?wat?did u say ogre?nononnono!but yes,u r a dumb ogre!
#39 by flim1961 on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 11:32 pm
Dr. Chen Man Hin:
I believe you got it all wrong regarding the preservation of DNA for an extended period of time.
This must be a breakthrough in bio science that “old” DNA and “new” DNA could be different. I am contacting a Harvard medical researcher (former Malaysian of course, that is very prominent in his field) and another prominent ex-Malaysian bio physicist (prominent in his field of course)and inform them of the latest findings. I would want to put them to shame that despite all their fundings and hi-tech equipment in the USA, they cannot even conclude what our very abled Malaysian folks can. Malaysia Boleh!
#40 by MyPeoplePower on Wednesday, 23 July 2008 - 11:52 pm
Now we can see the difference between the Dr with High mentality such as Dr Chen Man Hin and Dr with Low mentality such as Dr Chua Sui Lek who try to insult the intelligent of Rakyat (if you read his blog about the comment on DNA)!
#41 by flim1961 on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 12:02 am
I actually asked my neighbor’s 9 year old kid, who I think is very intelligent. His main interest is studying DNA and would like to pursue a bio science career at a prestigous university in the US. He did not realize that “old” dna and “new” dna can be different in terms of profiling. So I told him that he should apply to the Malaysian universities instead and forget about his IVY League dreams, as they are in the forefront of such pioneering breakthroughs.
#42 by tourman53 on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 12:09 am
Now the police and Saiful is in deep trouble. They never thought that Anwar will refuse to give DNA sample. Now how are these morons going to fabricate stories to cheat the public. Abdullah and gang is desperate in getting Anwar blood sample. Hope Anwar will not repeat his mistake any more.
#43 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 12:16 am
Kathy Says:
Yesterday at 13: 47.24
They already have the ones since 1998, why not sure those. Unless of course they want to fabricate misleading evidence..”
You don’t fabricate mis-leading evidence. You fabricate evidence! If evidence is already misleading where is the need to fabricate mah??
#44 by pkrisnin on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 12:20 am
Another development
http://w2.malaysia-today.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10296&Itemid=84
I just heard the news gov. ask both side to swear they did not do it and the case will be forgotten. Anwar refuse and wants the case to take its legal course. Did I hear this correctly, anyone else hear this at TV 3 tonight.
#45 by flim1961 on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 1:48 am
Top 5 reasons why Anwar should give his new DNA to replace old DNA:
5. Old DNA no good. Would you like to eat nasi kandar that has been around for 10 years?
4. term New DNA is better, like new car smells and feels better. Who would not want a new car? Like a Mercedes Benz?
3. DNA changes, for example, we have grey hair now compared to 30 years ago. We are follicly challenged now compared to 30 years ago. If we have changed, so does DNA. (using theory of anology and extrapolation)
2. Watson-Crick DNA research not relevant because they are from foreign universities, and therefore, tak boleh harap. Besides, it was not part of Hadhari concept.
AND the number 1 reason:
1. Because we say so. You May Not Object. Get it?
let us take time out to laugh out loud at ourselves, if possible. Blessings to all the Malaysians, regardless of race, religion or political affiliation. Love you guys.
#46 by flyer168 on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 5:22 am
Dear YB LKS,
“THE POLICE SHOULD STOP HARSSING ANWAR FOR A BLOOD SAMPLE, AS HE HAD GIVEN SEVERAL DNA SAMPLES BETWEEN 1998 AND 2004.”
Dr. Chen Man Hin has said it Loud & Clear.
This daily kindergarten Cat Mouse Political saga is nothing but a “Personal Vendetta” carried out by “Their” running dogs with promises of Promotions & maybe $$$!
Just WHO is Managing this nation….to Mitigate the sub-prime Financial Tsunami at our doorsteps !
July 21 2008 (Bloomberg) -
It’s becoming the highest-rating program in Asia:
Malaysia’s crime scene investigations.
“Sodomy, Murder, DNA Tests Make `CSI Malaysia’: William Pesek
Quote: Financiers may be perfectly happy to watch CSI at home. They are far less keen on exposing their money to a whodunit playing out on Malaysia’s national stage.” unquote.
#47 by flyer168 on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 5:38 am
Dear YB LKS,
Whilst still on the DNA issue – maybe this article could shed some light to all concerned.
“DNA isn’t the answer. Often it’s the problem.”
The double helix genetic compilation known as DNA has become a double conundrum for rape victims in seeking justice in the courtroom. The problem stems from the public’s fascination with DNA and crime.
dna testing 180708 – It’s commonly referred to as the ‘CSI effect’ so named for the trio of popular shows on CBS that solve crimes based on the tiniest fragment of DNA and scientific evidence.
“People expect DNA or scientific evidence in every case and the reality is it doesn’t exist in most cases,” Sangamon County Assistant State’s Attorney Sheryl Essenburg said. “It’s very much the exception.”
In fact, the Federal Bureau of Investigation reports that DNA is available in only 10-20 percent of cases. Therefore, DNA isn’t the silver bullet the general public expects and often it’s not even available to be fired.
However, its presence or lack thereof is still a key issue at most jury trials. The jury expects DNA or scientific evidence, and the prosecution must educate the jury during each trial on the hazards of over anticipating the importance of science.
“It’s a hurdle that in every jury trial we have to address, especially in child sexual abuse cases,” Essenburg said.
Its presence is becoming an issue in adult cases as well. The case involving the Duke lacrosse team became a national debate when 46 of 47 team members were required to submit to DNA testing. When DNA matches were not found, the defense quickly jumped to the conclusion that a rape hadn’t occurred.
“That leap is a misunderstanding of what DNA can and can’t prove,” said Michelle Anderson, a law professor at Villanova University. “DNA can prove sex occurred. DNA can’t prove that sex didn’t occur.”
The DNA conundrum adds to the obstacles against victims achieving justice in the courtroom. It falls in the same category as the beliefs that victims of sexual assault are always physically injured during the assault.
“This focus on DNA evidence seems to be in the historical line with the requirement for physical force,” Anderson said. “Rape cases are frequently low priority for prosecutors. They see them as difficult to obtain a conviction. Prosecutors are more concerned about their won-loss record than serving the victim of rape in a community.
What is true across different jurisdictions is that prosecutors and police exercise particular scrutiny with rape victims that is historically excessive and today continues to be excessive.”
Why isn’t DNA there?
ambulance medical service 100907 – patient DNA might not be found in sexual assaults for a variety of reasons. Despite what television portrays, DNA and other scientific evidence isn’t waiting patiently to be snatched up and raced away for testing by a lab technician. The majority of victims do not report to the hospital so DNA evidence isn’t collected. And if a victim reports to a hospital, time can alter the findings.
“DNA is only available when it has been reported after a few hours, not just DNA but any scientific evidence,” Essenburg said.
Even if DNA is available, it can also be compromised throughout the chain of evidence, which often ventures into weeks and months instead of hours.
“DNA evidence degrades rapidly,” Anderson said. “It is difficult to contain efficiently and handle effectively.”
Also, there are simple reasons for the absence of DNA. The rapist may not have ejaculated inside or on the body of the victim. The rapist may not have ejaculated at all. The assailant may have used a condom during the attack. The assailant may have used an object to assault the victim.
“People don’t understand that. They think rape is always a sexual act when it’s often about power and controlling someone else,” Anderson said.
Stranger vs. Acquaintance
The greatest benefit of DNA to rape victims comes in stranger rape cases. DNA samples can be used to match with convicted offenders or help string together evidence in a serial rape case. This benefit with DNA and stranger cases produces the unintended consequence of strengthening the rape myth that all rapes are committed by strangers. In fact, only approximately 20 percent of rape cases are stranger cases.
nipah pig farmer case govt court case 150708 02 – “In general, DNA evidence is going to be focused on stranger rape cases, CSI focuses on stranger rape cases. National news focuses on stranger rape cases,” Anderson said. “We have a societal obsession with the man that strikes from behind a bush and drags the victim away to a dark alley.”
If DNA is found in acquaintance rape, the assailant simply states that the sex was consensual, negating the DNA evidence.
The impact of DNA differs greatly depending on the age of the victim. If the victim is a child, DNA evidence can be especially beneficial in the courtroom. However, it’s rare that DNA is involved because the reality is that most child victims wait several days or years to inform law enforcement about the sexual violence. Essenburg has never tried a child sexual abuse case that included DNA findings.
“If it’s there, particularly in a child case, it’s fabulous,” Essenburg said. “In an adult victim case, if it’s there it doesn’t eliminate the issue of consent.”
And consent still rattles the cage of most juries. If DNA is found, the assailant claims consensual sex. If DNA isn’t found, the assailant claims there wasn’t an assault. It comes out to the assailant’s advantage in most cases.
“Some people have the assumption that DNA evidence is going to be there and if it isn’t, people assume that the victim is lying about the case,”
Anderson said.
Deciding who is speaking the truth in rape cases is at the crux of most rape verdicts.
Words vs. Science
muslim islam malays 250806 women – Perhaps the most disheartening aspect of the DNA evidence is that it is another method in which the voice of victims can be silenced in the courtroom.
“Victim testimony in rape cases has never been a slam dunk for women,”
Anderson said.
“Historically prosecutors want bruises, broken bones, evidence of physical force. The narrative of he said, she said is all about rape cases. Her voice has never meant as much.”
In a time when too few rape cases are prosecuted, the lack of DNA can provide an excuse for not prosecuting a case. Prosecutors and the public need to remember that rape cases were tried prior to DNA evidence and still need to be tried with or without DNA support.
It’s important to remember that DNA is a single part of the evidence collection. If the victim goes to the hospital, a multitude of evidence is collected during the forensic medical examination (rape kit) that is performed by medical personnel.
“The media so plays up the scientific wonder that some people forget that it is who you believe,” Essenburg said. “We have to remember as prosecutors and jurors need to understand that it’s going to be there in some cases and in other cases it’s not going to be there.”
As usual in discussing rape or myths about rape, education will play a key factor in turning the tide about what DNA can and can’t do for rape victims.
“The work to publicise DNA evidence is really helpful but it’s not going to have the impact that CSI will,” Anderson said. “People need to challenge the shows … They need to put pressure on the popular shows to talk about these kinds of issues.”
Pressure to understand the good and the bad about DNA evidence and its affect on rape victims.
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SEAN BLACK works for the Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault (ICASA), a not-for-profit corporation of 33 community-based sexual assault crisis centers working together to end sexual violence in Illinois communities.
#48 by trublumsian on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 6:16 am
blogger: i think the police, the PM/DPM, and the whole lot are equally ignorant of how DNA works.
meanwhile, on the 4th floor of a certain building..
pm: dang, our DNA people said these things last a long time? really?! o shucks! now we got to frame anwar with other stuff.
dpm: but dollah, the rakyat won’t know. we didn’t send them to schools in uk, u.s., au, etc.
kowtow 1: sweeeet! weren’t we smart to send only the ones who still think DNA means damn-nice-ass on our scholarships?!
pm/dpm/kowtows: hee hee hee… ha ha ha… wua haa haa haa…wua haa haa haa….
#49 by trublumsian on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 6:37 am
i don’t get it. is the police asking for anwar’s dna so they can match it to what was found on or around the purported victim?
did the police even say they have evidence taken from the victim? in which case shouldn’t the defense have the right to ask to see and examine the evidence first to determine if there is even a case?
and shouldn’t the police start with a just cause for the case by matching the 10 yr old records to current evidence from the crime scene/victim to force the hands of the defense?
#50 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 7:20 am
“Also, there are simple reasons for the absence of DNA. The rapist may not have ejaculated inside or on the body of the victim. The rapist may not have ejaculated at all. The assailant may have used a condom during the attack. The assailant may have used an object to assault the victim.”
Thanks for the info! Limkamput and Kathy may be able to work something out together.