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	<title>Comments on: UMNO-PAS “Malay Unity” talks</title>
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		<title>By: Loh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>///Search your heart. Be honest to yourselves. No need to be pretentious. Try to remember one instance that the much hated UMNO ( through its influence in politics) has ever enabled poor Malays( and also non Malays) to come out from poverty through good education.///--- Shamsul Anuar

That would be true if UMNO was like Bill Gate using his own funds to help all those who deserve help. But UMNO used public money to create social problems through implementing racist policies, and through such policies enriched UMNOputras.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///Search your heart. Be honest to yourselves. No need to be pretentious. Try to remember one instance that the much hated UMNO ( through its influence in politics) has ever enabled poor Malays( and also non Malays) to come out from poverty through good education.///&#8212; Shamsul Anuar</p>
<p>That would be true if UMNO was like Bill Gate using his own funds to help all those who deserve help. But UMNO used public money to create social problems through implementing racist policies, and through such policies enriched UMNOputras.</p>
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		<title>By: pkrisnin</title>
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		<dc:creator>pkrisnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think AAB just want the 2/3 support to pass the anti-hoping law to prevent Anwar from taking over. So that's why he willing to offer PAS so much for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think AAB just want the 2/3 support to pass the anti-hoping law to prevent Anwar from taking over. So that&#8217;s why he willing to offer PAS so much for now.</p>
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		<title>By: shamshul anuar</title>
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		<dc:creator>shamshul anuar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Trublumsian,

It is a pleasure to read your comment. At least I have one shared value with you; that we can exchange ideas minus name calling and insulting remarks.

There are certain things I would like to emphasize:
1) That I do not question your love to this great country
2)  That I understand not all Chinese are multi millionaires who can 
afford sending their children to respected universities in foreign countries.

By the way, you are right. In USA, if you are from minority race, you are entitled to benefits under affirmative action. BUt in USA, the WASP, besides being the largest group is also the most economically dominant. The minority races such as Hispanic, Asian, Native Indians or Hawaain economic achievement pale in comparison of WASP economic achievement. As such, affirmative action is reasonable here.

In Malaysia, the minority race like Chinese is economically superior as compared to that majority, Malay. I am not suggesting denial of scholarship to brilliant student from Chinese or Indian community.. Rather reform the scholarship. I suggest JPA should not sent undergrad to overseas. LImit the study overseas to post graduate students. In this case, more money would be available to these bright students.

It is matter of wisdom here. If we do not offer scholarship or partial scholarship, other countries may offer them.

And Yes. I told one upset mother( A malay) whose son with 11As does not get scholarship to study medicine in UK. Accept the fact that Govt is not obligated to help. It is a privilege not a right. Now that boy is studying medicine in Bandung, Indonesia.

Problem with some people( with due respect) they always make it a racial issue out of limited fund available. I however understand the letdown over scholarship issue. I strongly advise JPA to issue clear guidelines over this matter. If not it is going to be an annual heart wrenching affair.

As for Malay community, I urge them to start early education plan for children. As for rich Malay, perhaps they should chip in just like much appreciated Chinese support to UTAR. This is one particular trait that I believe Malay community should learn from the Chinese.
 
As for limited fund, I even suggest that Govt sets up another 1 billion fund for bright students. It is a very good investment. Remember, if we do not offer scholarship, other countries will. 

i will write later. Again may I emphasize my heartfelt appreciation on your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Trublumsian,</p>
<p>It is a pleasure to read your comment. At least I have one shared value with you; that we can exchange ideas minus name calling and insulting remarks.</p>
<p>There are certain things I would like to emphasize:<br />
1) That I do not question your love to this great country<br />
2)  That I understand not all Chinese are multi millionaires who can<br />
afford sending their children to respected universities in foreign countries.</p>
<p>By the way, you are right. In USA, if you are from minority race, you are entitled to benefits under affirmative action. BUt in USA, the WASP, besides being the largest group is also the most economically dominant. The minority races such as Hispanic, Asian, Native Indians or Hawaain economic achievement pale in comparison of WASP economic achievement. As such, affirmative action is reasonable here.</p>
<p>In Malaysia, the minority race like Chinese is economically superior as compared to that majority, Malay. I am not suggesting denial of scholarship to brilliant student from Chinese or Indian community.. Rather reform the scholarship. I suggest JPA should not sent undergrad to overseas. LImit the study overseas to post graduate students. In this case, more money would be available to these bright students.</p>
<p>It is matter of wisdom here. If we do not offer scholarship or partial scholarship, other countries may offer them.</p>
<p>And Yes. I told one upset mother( A malay) whose son with 11As does not get scholarship to study medicine in UK. Accept the fact that Govt is not obligated to help. It is a privilege not a right. Now that boy is studying medicine in Bandung, Indonesia.</p>
<p>Problem with some people( with due respect) they always make it a racial issue out of limited fund available. I however understand the letdown over scholarship issue. I strongly advise JPA to issue clear guidelines over this matter. If not it is going to be an annual heart wrenching affair.</p>
<p>As for Malay community, I urge them to start early education plan for children. As for rich Malay, perhaps they should chip in just like much appreciated Chinese support to UTAR. This is one particular trait that I believe Malay community should learn from the Chinese.</p>
<p>As for limited fund, I even suggest that Govt sets up another 1 billion fund for bright students. It is a very good investment. Remember, if we do not offer scholarship, other countries will. </p>
<p>i will write later. Again may I emphasize my heartfelt appreciation on your point.</p>
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		<title>By: imranj78</title>
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		<dc:creator>imranj78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AhLiew78,
I am sorry to dissapoint you but I am no politician and never intend to be one, and even if I was, UMNO would be the last party I would join, at least in its current form. You say that what I post is generally correct but not so when you go deeper. You are saying this because what I say is not inline with your ideas and that is fine. Plus, I don't need your endorsement. I have received positive and negative feedback to my comments in this blog and that shows that what I write is not all `crap' as you might try to indicate. 

Right to get priveledges on politic and economy? Is it right that a minority of a particular race in our country controls 2/3 of the countries wealth? Lets not talk about priveledges and right until wealth distribution is fair. I rather not use the word priveldge rather affirmative action. Yes I agree its implementation of NEP is not best and has to be improved drastically but its concept is righteous.

Your comments on place of worship and language I agree. But in my view, vernacular schools do not promote a `Malaysian' identity. Rather national schools should be strengthen and made more acceptable to all races. Teaching of mother tongue languages should be promoted in all national schools to encourage people of all races to send their children there.
Islam is not only a personal religion, it encompasses a way of life. And like it or not, this way of life will come into public domain and you will see it whether you are Muslim or non-Muslim. And yes, I agree that it should not affect non-Muslims, but again, the freedom of non-Muslims should not be construed as a license to step on the way of life Islam is promoting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AhLiew78,<br />
I am sorry to dissapoint you but I am no politician and never intend to be one, and even if I was, UMNO would be the last party I would join, at least in its current form. You say that what I post is generally correct but not so when you go deeper. You are saying this because what I say is not inline with your ideas and that is fine. Plus, I don&#8217;t need your endorsement. I have received positive and negative feedback to my comments in this blog and that shows that what I write is not all `crap&#8217; as you might try to indicate. </p>
<p>Right to get priveledges on politic and economy? Is it right that a minority of a particular race in our country controls 2/3 of the countries wealth? Lets not talk about priveledges and right until wealth distribution is fair. I rather not use the word priveldge rather affirmative action. Yes I agree its implementation of NEP is not best and has to be improved drastically but its concept is righteous.</p>
<p>Your comments on place of worship and language I agree. But in my view, vernacular schools do not promote a `Malaysian&#8217; identity. Rather national schools should be strengthen and made more acceptable to all races. Teaching of mother tongue languages should be promoted in all national schools to encourage people of all races to send their children there.<br />
Islam is not only a personal religion, it encompasses a way of life. And like it or not, this way of life will come into public domain and you will see it whether you are Muslim or non-Muslim. And yes, I agree that it should not affect non-Muslims, but again, the freedom of non-Muslims should not be construed as a license to step on the way of life Islam is promoting.</p>
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		<title>By: imranj78</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/07/22/umno-pas-%e2%80%9cmalay-unity%e2%80%9d-talks/#comment-119683</link>
		<dc:creator>imranj78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trublumsian,
i think you have terribly missed the point of my post. Maybe you should re-read my posts. and again, quotas and values are not the same nor related. I shall not respond to comments on words that have been put in my mouth by you.

UK and US do not need such quotas as the majority whites do control the majority of the wealth. So it is fair. quotas are not norms nor are they sustainable. But again, the situation in Malaysia is also far from acceptable. How could it be that a particular minority race in a country controls about 2/3 of the economy? Is this fair? Is this acceptable in the long run? I can only think of Indonesia and South Africa as countries with similar predicament. Some of you might say that everyone should earn their own keep and I totally agree. But lets look at it from a big picture. Our country will not be stable in the long term with such uneven wealth distribution. Or do you think otherwise? Don't just criticize without giving your alternate resolution to the problem.

The problem is not with the concept of NEP. Rather, the implementation has left much to be desired. 

I suggest you read and respond to comments more constructively and not emotionally. We're here for constructive engagement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trublumsian,<br />
i think you have terribly missed the point of my post. Maybe you should re-read my posts. and again, quotas and values are not the same nor related. I shall not respond to comments on words that have been put in my mouth by you.</p>
<p>UK and US do not need such quotas as the majority whites do control the majority of the wealth. So it is fair. quotas are not norms nor are they sustainable. But again, the situation in Malaysia is also far from acceptable. How could it be that a particular minority race in a country controls about 2/3 of the economy? Is this fair? Is this acceptable in the long run? I can only think of Indonesia and South Africa as countries with similar predicament. Some of you might say that everyone should earn their own keep and I totally agree. But lets look at it from a big picture. Our country will not be stable in the long term with such uneven wealth distribution. Or do you think otherwise? Don&#8217;t just criticize without giving your alternate resolution to the problem.</p>
<p>The problem is not with the concept of NEP. Rather, the implementation has left much to be desired. </p>
<p>I suggest you read and respond to comments more constructively and not emotionally. We&#8217;re here for constructive engagement.</p>
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		<title>By: sirrganass</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirrganass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! Are we talking about religion now? Why, now only you people want to learn about Islam ha? I thought you know already? 

LIM KITSIANG! You can now peacefully withdraw this page because it is all over! If the issue is "PAS join BN", then, NIK AZIZ .. OUR (my?) SPIRITUAL BOSS has said "NO WAY! - Not Keen!) ANd that holy man said "WE WILL WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH DAP" Isn't that good enough? And do you know that SOFT HOLYMAN is actually VERY POWERFUL and highly respected?

Hei! do you know how painful is it for NIK AZIZ to agree to work together with "ClearCUT NONMUSLIM (DAP)" and REJECT to work with his own muslim-brother (UMNO)??? You think easy ha to make that decision? So? Still no good??? 

He knows ISLAM must accept the existence of non-muslim and at the same time, stupid or "inhuman" MUSLIM ("golongan fasik, munafik" etc.) must be REJECTED or AVOIDED... If you people agree to work and coorperate with us, we, in ISLAM, required YOU to be PROTECTED and equally enjoy life ... Be christian, Buddhist whatsoever.... heard that before? 

Don't cry baby, learn to trust PAS and accept PAS's weaknesses too. We have already put you all in our group, K? Let's do some work for the Rakyat. Go GO GO!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! Are we talking about religion now? Why, now only you people want to learn about Islam ha? I thought you know already? </p>
<p>LIM KITSIANG! You can now peacefully withdraw this page because it is all over! If the issue is &#8220;PAS join BN&#8221;, then, NIK AZIZ .. OUR (my?) SPIRITUAL BOSS has said &#8220;NO WAY! - Not Keen!) ANd that holy man said &#8220;WE WILL WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH DAP&#8221; Isn&#8217;t that good enough? And do you know that SOFT HOLYMAN is actually VERY POWERFUL and highly respected?</p>
<p>Hei! do you know how painful is it for NIK AZIZ to agree to work together with &#8220;ClearCUT NONMUSLIM (DAP)&#8221; and REJECT to work with his own muslim-brother (UMNO)??? You think easy ha to make that decision? So? Still no good??? </p>
<p>He knows ISLAM must accept the existence of non-muslim and at the same time, stupid or &#8220;inhuman&#8221; MUSLIM (&#8221;golongan fasik, munafik&#8221; etc.) must be REJECTED or AVOIDED&#8230; If you people agree to work and coorperate with us, we, in ISLAM, required YOU to be PROTECTED and equally enjoy life &#8230; Be christian, Buddhist whatsoever&#8230;. heard that before? </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t cry baby, learn to trust PAS and accept PAS&#8217;s weaknesses too. We have already put you all in our group, K? Let&#8217;s do some work for the Rakyat. Go GO GO!!!</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
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		<dc:creator>zak_hammaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>limkamput, I will excuse you for your lack of English comprehension. Is it or is it not true that DAP are fighting for a secular Malaysia? If it is true then you should know by now that secularism can not co-exist with Islam on par. 

Social justice is not about imposing our values on each other, it is firstly about respect and appreciation of the differences and working to find a common ground to come together as Malaysians. 

We can not come together under one religion or culture or language, therefore we must try much harder to be accommodating of each others needs. Being 62%+ Muslim, surely you must acknowledge that the need for Muslim Malaysians will be greater in ratio to the needs of the non-Muslim minorities?

Where Muslims are a minority in some parts of Malaysia, you will see how they live in peaceful co-existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>limkamput, I will excuse you for your lack of English comprehension. Is it or is it not true that DAP are fighting for a secular Malaysia? If it is true then you should know by now that secularism can not co-exist with Islam on par. </p>
<p>Social justice is not about imposing our values on each other, it is firstly about respect and appreciation of the differences and working to find a common ground to come together as Malaysians. </p>
<p>We can not come together under one religion or culture or language, therefore we must try much harder to be accommodating of each others needs. Being 62%+ Muslim, surely you must acknowledge that the need for Muslim Malaysians will be greater in ratio to the needs of the non-Muslim minorities?</p>
<p>Where Muslims are a minority in some parts of Malaysia, you will see how they live in peaceful co-existence.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
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		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zak_hammaad, that your where your brain all got scr*wed up.  We never impose. We never stop you from believing what you are believing. If you want to pray, to sing to do whatever in the name of your religion, may i know who is stopping you. Just don't expect and force us to follow you, that is enough for us, got it?  We just want to follow our way of life, and we are not interested in imposing on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zak_hammaad, that your where your brain all got scr*wed up.  We never impose. We never stop you from believing what you are believing. If you want to pray, to sing to do whatever in the name of your religion, may i know who is stopping you. Just don&#8217;t expect and force us to follow you, that is enough for us, got it?  We just want to follow our way of life, and we are not interested in imposing on you.</p>
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		<title>By: zak_hammaad</title>
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		<dc:creator>zak_hammaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AhLiew, many Malays would disagree with the notion that "religion is no more then a personal believe" - This is actually the cause of much misinformation and confusion. Islam is not like any other religion, it is a complete and comprehensive way of life that incorporates every facet of life, whether it be social, economic, political, military etc. The secularism you are promoting is wholly rejected by Islam and the struggle between Islam and secularism is nothing new and will continue. Non-Muslim minorities in Malaysia can not change nor impose their secular ideas on the majority Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AhLiew, many Malays would disagree with the notion that &#8220;religion is no more then a personal believe&#8221; - This is actually the cause of much misinformation and confusion. Islam is not like any other religion, it is a complete and comprehensive way of life that incorporates every facet of life, whether it be social, economic, political, military etc. The secularism you are promoting is wholly rejected by Islam and the struggle between Islam and secularism is nothing new and will continue. Non-Muslim minorities in Malaysia can not change nor impose their secular ideas on the majority Muslims.</p>
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