That would be true if UMNO was like Bill Gate using his own funds to help all those who deserve help. But UMNO used public money to create social problems through implementing racist policies, and through such policies enriched UMNOputras.

It is a pleasure to read your comment. At least I have one shared value with you; that we can exchange ideas minus name calling and insulting remarks.

There are certain things I would like to emphasize:
1) That I do not question your love to this great country
2) That I understand not all Chinese are multi millionaires who can
afford sending their children to respected universities in foreign countries.

By the way, you are right. In USA, if you are from minority race, you are entitled to benefits under affirmative action. BUt in USA, the WASP, besides being the largest group is also the most economically dominant. The minority races such as Hispanic, Asian, Native Indians or Hawaain economic achievement pale in comparison of WASP economic achievement. As such, affirmative action is reasonable here.

In Malaysia, the minority race like Chinese is economically superior as compared to that majority, Malay. I am not suggesting denial of scholarship to brilliant student from Chinese or Indian community.. Rather reform the scholarship. I suggest JPA should not sent undergrad to overseas. LImit the study overseas to post graduate students. In this case, more money would be available to these bright students.

It is matter of wisdom here. If we do not offer scholarship or partial scholarship, other countries may offer them.

And Yes. I told one upset mother( A malay) whose son with 11As does not get scholarship to study medicine in UK. Accept the fact that Govt is not obligated to help. It is a privilege not a right. Now that boy is studying medicine in Bandung, Indonesia.

Problem with some people( with due respect) they always make it a racial issue out of limited fund available. I however understand the letdown over scholarship issue. I strongly advise JPA to issue clear guidelines over this matter. If not it is going to be an annual heart wrenching affair.

As for Malay community, I urge them to start early education plan for children. As for rich Malay, perhaps they should chip in just like much appreciated Chinese support to UTAR. This is one particular trait that I believe Malay community should learn from the Chinese.

As for limited fund, I even suggest that Govt sets up another 1 billion fund for bright students. It is a very good investment. Remember, if we do not offer scholarship, other countries will.

i will write later. Again may I emphasize my heartfelt appreciation on your point.

Right to get priveledges on politic and economy? Is it right that a minority of a particular race in our country controls 2/3 of the countries wealth? Lets not talk about priveledges and right until wealth distribution is fair. I rather not use the word priveldge rather affirmative action. Yes I agree its implementation of NEP is not best and has to be improved drastically but its concept is righteous.

Your comments on place of worship and language I agree. But in my view, vernacular schools do not promote a `Malaysian’ identity. Rather national schools should be strengthen and made more acceptable to all races. Teaching of mother tongue languages should be promoted in all national schools to encourage people of all races to send their children there.
Islam is not only a personal religion, it encompasses a way of life. And like it or not, this way of life will come into public domain and you will see it whether you are Muslim or non-Muslim. And yes, I agree that it should not affect non-Muslims, but again, the freedom of non-Muslims should not be construed as a license to step on the way of life Islam is promoting.

UK and US do not need such quotas as the majority whites do control the majority of the wealth. So it is fair. quotas are not norms nor are they sustainable. But again, the situation in Malaysia is also far from acceptable. How could it be that a particular minority race in a country controls about 2/3 of the economy? Is this fair? Is this acceptable in the long run? I can only think of Indonesia and South Africa as countries with similar predicament. Some of you might say that everyone should earn their own keep and I totally agree. But lets look at it from a big picture. Our country will not be stable in the long term with such uneven wealth distribution. Or do you think otherwise? Don’t just criticize without giving your alternate resolution to the problem.

The problem is not with the concept of NEP. Rather, the implementation has left much to be desired.

I suggest you read and respond to comments more constructively and not emotionally. We’re here for constructive engagement.

LIM KITSIANG! You can now peacefully withdraw this page because it is all over! If the issue is “PAS join BN”, then, NIK AZIZ .. OUR (my?) SPIRITUAL BOSS has said “NO WAY! – Not Keen!) ANd that holy man said “WE WILL WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH DAP” Isn’t that good enough? And do you know that SOFT HOLYMAN is actually VERY POWERFUL and highly respected?

Hei! do you know how painful is it for NIK AZIZ to agree to work together with “ClearCUT NONMUSLIM (DAP)” and REJECT to work with his own muslim-brother (UMNO)??? You think easy ha to make that decision? So? Still no good???

He knows ISLAM must accept the existence of non-muslim and at the same time, stupid or “inhuman” MUSLIM (“golongan fasik, munafik” etc.) must be REJECTED or AVOIDED… If you people agree to work and coorperate with us, we, in ISLAM, required YOU to be PROTECTED and equally enjoy life … Be christian, Buddhist whatsoever…. heard that before?

Don’t cry baby, learn to trust PAS and accept PAS’s weaknesses too. We have already put you all in our group, K? Let’s do some work for the Rakyat. Go GO GO!!!

Social justice is not about imposing our values on each other, it is firstly about respect and appreciation of the differences and working to find a common ground to come together as Malaysians.

We can not come together under one religion or culture or language, therefore we must try much harder to be accommodating of each others needs. Being 62%+ Muslim, surely you must acknowledge that the need for Muslim Malaysians will be greater in ratio to the needs of the non-Muslim minorities?

Where Muslims are a minority in some parts of Malaysia, you will see how they live in peaceful co-existence.

http://themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/headlines/42-lead-stories/2180-sold-out-at-the-altar-of-malay-unity

It is the Sicillian thing, trust me. It will end only when the Malayu think it is time to end. We can talk ideally, but who want the good life and privileges to end. Take EPF as an example. Whose money (the bulk of it at least) is it in EPF? Who get to manage those money and hold high and mighty positions there? Just a simple example, but it is not a insignifant one.

You start to sound like a politician. I suspect you are KJ from Rembau trying to polish your skill here. Yes, I’m kidding. Ummm no, I really mean you sound like a politician. Because what you say is generally correct but non so if go deeper. I do not think any rational non-Malay ever challenge any of special right you mention above as a whole. However, it’s the detail which is questionable.

Special right of Bumiputra, what right we are talking about?
Kedaulatan Sultan and Agong as the Malay ruler? No body question that.
Right to get privilege on politic & economy? That is questionable, especially after 50years of independence, most of the Malay walking on the land of Malaysia has not stay here any longer that non-Malay.

Islam as a national religion. I don’t remember ever see any incident where this status have been challenged, at least, directly.
However, religion is no more then a personal believe, until what extend that Islam to be treated more superior then other religion? In Melaka, we have Islam mosque, Indian Temple and Chinese Tokong near each others. Why the same kind on tolerance can not be allowed in other place.
Just like to ask you, do build more Chine tokong challenge Islam’s national religion status?
Like you mention, it’s “natural that the outlook and character of the country would be more slanted towards the majority”. Naturally, we will see more mosque then tokong in Malaysia, we can life with that. It’s go beyond the “natural” that non-Malay not happy about. But then, you probably do not know that non-Malay facing many red tape and political roadblock in building their place for warship.

Bahasa Melayu as the official language. The concern is the same.
Do using non-malay in primary school challenge this? Do set Chinese road sign (together with Malay) in Chinese heritage area challenge this?
Bahasa Malay is the de facto language in government business. In order to go further up of national education system, a credit in Malay subject is compulsory. Believe me, we are OK with this. However, when a company want to recruit staff who can speak Chinese to communicate with Chinese customer, some say this is challenging bahasa Malay and make an issue. Why do Rais Yatim speak to Condoleezza Rice in English then? Why not just using bahasa Malay.

Thanks for your reply as well.

I’m sure most non-bumis do not question the political structure we have in the country. We do not question the need for an UMNO led alliance. You know full well it’s the people filling the important posts we have a problem with. These blogs exists because we love the country and want to vent, we just hate the guts and integrity of some of the half-wits running the country.

Here’s response to some of your commens.

“What I stressed is a crucial and simple fact. Do not deny the truth that the govt you hate so much did help you.”
We do not hate the country. Why would we be so passionate if we don’t love the country? And to your second point, if the government provides full opportunity to me, I would repay in full.
Give me a fish vs. Teach me to fish…

“If scholarship is the issue, rest assured no govt of the day can give scholarship to all top students.”
Define top students. In most cases, a top bumi student is not like a top chinese student. Come on.

“Simply because you do not get scholarship does not mean that you fail in life.”
How about doing that and saying that to a bumi? For many willing Chinese and Indians, “life” is not just personal riches. It’s contributing to the country. Who’s depriving us?

“Accept reality that sometimes we do not get what we want. But there are other alternatives. There are many colleges and universities around.”
What if non-bumis can’t afford it? What if the better qualified don’t get to major in engineering or medicine? How about doing that and saying that to a bumi?

“And if someone says it is unfair to Chinese student who gets 10a, please understand there are also top students from Malay community who do not get scholarship.”
Apples to apples??

“And understand that the percentage of Malays studying abroad is lower than that of non Malays.”
Because of…..?? Must I spell it out?

“As for claim that Chinese is 2nd class, boy you have yet to see the world. If you are in USA, please forget asking Govt funding on vernacular school. And of you are in USA, chances are you will not get white oeople to let you win in White majority area.”
In the USA, if you’re a non-white minority company bidding on a govt contract, YOU GET special consideration.
In the USA, if you’re a non-white minority applicant applying for college, YOU GET special consideration.
In the USA, if you’re a non-white minority wanting to be hired as CEO of Cisco, your chances are slim, BUT you GET to go to a top school based on your merits, and you get to be lead engineer, chief scientist, head accountant, because you’re good and the CEO knows what good you can bring.

you say “values of the majority”, is quota-everything to less qualified bumis a VALUE?? do you even know why the quota exists? umno said it loud and clear. after 50 years of this norm, the bumis still don’t get it. again, if quota-everything to less qualified bumis a VALUE, tell me u are PROUD of it.

so the norm you so fond of speaking about in malaysia is quotas to the majority in EVERY single thing? who imposed the so called norm? on what fair play basis was it concocted out of? in the u.k., if i don’t speak english as well as a local brit, n the position does not require a whole lot of communication skills, u bet i get as much chance of landing that job as the next guy up. in malaysia, non-bumis need not apply! i’m only saying u smoke crack if u insist on what malaysia is practicing is comparable to what the uk or u.s. is doing.

Many thanks for your reply. Nowhere in my writing I said that simply bercause you were given scholarship, you can tolerate any nonsense by the govt of the day.

What I stressed is a crucial and simple fact. Do not deny the truth that the govt you hate so much did help you. And I emphasize the virtue of being careful as mentioned by Dr Nazrin, the esteemed Raja Muda of Perak.

As for AhLiew, what I think Imranj trying to say is that the very basis of the Modern Malaysia is acknowledgement of history. Denying this fact is a disaster for Malaysia.

UMNO never imposes its will on non Malays. Many here concluded that one o the reason why UMNO rejected by majority non Malays is due to its bullying of non Malay parties like MCA, MIC.

UMNO is the senior partner in BN. That is the truth. without asking, UMNO is accorded the status simple as it has the most number of seats as compared to MCA, MIC, GErakan put together. Hence the recognition.

What UMNO does is not that peculiar. DAP holds the reign in Penang with PAS holds on Kedah. Why MB of Kedah is PAS member. Because PAS has the most number as compared to PKR and DAP.

If scholarship is the issue, rest assured no govt of the day can give scholarship to all top students. Simply because you do not get scholarship does not mean that you fail in life.

Accept reality that sometimes we do not get what we want. But there are other alternatives. There are many colleges and universities around.

And if someone says it is unfair to Chinese student who gets 10a, please understand there are also top students from Malay community who do not get scholarship.

And understand that the percentage of Malays studying abroad is lower than that of non Malays .

As for claim that Chinese is 2nd class, boy you have yet to see the world. If you are in USA, please forget asking Govt funding on vernacular school. And of you are in USA, chances are you will not get white oeople to let you win in White majority area.

I am not trying to preach. Rather telling you no other countries in the world are willing to sponsor vernacular schools in thousands. According to them that is not the right of minorities. That is the privilege.

By saying that, I am not saying that mother tounges to be forbidden. Rather it should be retained.

A norm in a society is closely tied to its values. Something not compatible with a society’s values will never be considered a norm. I disagree that the “majority have the right to prioritize some of their values over the minorities” as a particular mentality of Malaysian Muslims. This is a social fact everywhere in the world. Probably my choice of word `priority’ was not the best though.

The point is we are in Malaysia where 65% of the population is Malay and Muslim. It is only natural that the outlook and character of the country would be more slanted towards the majority. Tell me you disagree with this? This should not be at the expense of the rights to other races and religions though. But everyone should understand that the freedom that the minorities enjoy should also not openly infringe upon the values of the majority.

First of all I admire your courage to posy your comments here. Without your participant this cyber space may become a place for showing dissatisfaction and siok sendiri.
It’s through dialog that understanding among groups can possible be achieved. Even though I can not agree with most of your point, I think your opinion should be respected by everyone.

“# imranj78 Says:
It is true that in most countries the rights of the minorities needs to be protected more. But in Malaysia, it seems that the minorities are questioning the rights of the majority.”

Which rights we are talking about? The right to have supremacy above others? The only country that I know to have such policy was South Africa, and that was decades ago.

“# zak_hammaad Says:
The best foundation for any Malaysian unity however, needs to be based upon social justice. In the context of the geo-social race reality, it is with Malay unity first and foremost, where this social justice needs to be streamlined within a workable consensus from all Malaysians.”

When you talk about unity, have you ever consider unity to do what? For what? Or against what?
If PAS and UMNO discuss about how to improve Malaysia economy, reduce crime of pursue for justice, no one regardless his race will ever object or feel threaten. From this aspect, it is even baseless to claim Malay is not united. However, if this is the real purpose of the muzakarah, it simply can not be the same UMNO that we all know.
Since this is about forming a Malay center “paksi Melayu” to marginalize the other race, I can’t see how you can convince yourself that this will lead to a unity of all Malaysian.

“# imranj78 Says:
“Values are different from culture to culture and this extends to so called `human rights’ as well. In an Islamic country, it is fine to broadcast your azan and to Muslims”
“It is also just natural that the group in the majority has the right to prioritize some of their values over the minorities.”

“Broadcast azan” is not a value, it’s just a norm. And norm is no way at same level as value.
Value is about the principle of life, which is universal acceptable and even agreeable by different religions. One of it is the freedom to act (under condition not effect to others).
And regarding “majority to prioritize some of their value over the minorities”, I would say this is particular mentality of Malaysian Muslim.

It’s probably true that azan is not broadcasted in many towns in US, but mind you, even if you broadcast Christine Sunday prayer through load speaker, you may still end up get sued for disturbing others.
See the different? It’s about respect to other people’s choice.

UMNO is not united, not the Malay. Let’s all just be clear about this fact.

EP