UMNO-PAS “Malay Unity” talks
The Federal Government spent RM100 million for the 50th Merdeka anniversary celebrations last year. For what?
It should be to celebrate half-a-century of nationhood to build a multi-racial, multi-religious, multi-cultural and multi-lingual nation where our diversity is the strongest national asset and to chart out the path to achieve the Vision 2020 objective of a Bangsa Malaysia in the remaining 13 years.
But Malaysian nation-building has gone backwards and the Vision 2020 objective of a “Bangsa Malaysia” is increasingly frowned upon as a misplaced target.
The recent revelation by the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi that there has been three Umno-PAS talks to address issues of Muslim and Malay unity since the March 8, 2008 general election has raised to the fore the question why the pre-eminent issue bothering the Prime Minister is still that of Malay unity rather than Malaysian unity.
Has he forgotten another of his pledges to be the Prime Minister of all Malaysians and not just for any race?
July 22nd, 2008 at 14: 11.47
If at all the Malays can be united, then there won’t be so many factions of Malays and the previous Prime Ministers need not shout for Malay unity. And this is a total disgrace to UMNO who displays this shameful signboard with the name “UNITED MALAYS NATIONAL ORGANIZATION” when it has failed to even unite malays within any given state in Malaysia since its inception in 1946. So how can it claim this name and that it has achieved National Unity among the Malays? Such a disgrace!!!!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 14: 20.57
A fox may grow gray, but never good.
July 22nd, 2008 at 14: 23.50
PM is directionless and clueless; and just like johnny english, the man who knows no fear, who knows no danger, who knows nothing, he strikes out in any which way he takes a fancy.
Let us confuse him. Remind him of Hainan, of his connection with china and his family roots there. Perhaps, he would then treat us malaysia chinese better.
Indians and all the rest of you lot, set your minds ticking now to find a way to sway him.
July 22nd, 2008 at 14: 27.47
A two face PM (some call it a two headed snake), one face, “I am the PM for all Malaysian, and the other face, “we must fight to maintain the malay agenda”.
Blood-Suckers
GE 13 - No matter what, we must ensure that racist umno bn do not regain the power like they had for the past fifty years.
July 22nd, 2008 at 14: 38.52
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July 22nd, 2008 at 14: 40.25
Abdullah is the Malaysian equivalent of Mr Bean. A dumb fool.
He is now scraping the bottom of the barrel to get hold of whatever he can to redeem his sliding fortunes.
He now needs to cling onto PAS and ride on the elusive Malay-unity horse.
Unity for what? Unity against whom? Unity to rule the world or to plunder the country?
July 22nd, 2008 at 14: 43.00
Is this the brilliant job of his advisers again?
July 22nd, 2008 at 14: 44.39
If at all the Malays can be united, then there won’t be so many factions of Malays and the previous Prime Ministers need not shout for Malay unity. [ktteokt]
Well said! One only shout a slogan that has not been achieved, thus by shouting malay unity, Pigi Lah is actually saying that the Malays are not united, which equals to failure in UMNO, which also equates to… sedition? Can fill sedition charges against the Pee Emm>?
July 22nd, 2008 at 14: 45.43
PM has proven himself completely incapable of making good on his promises to the Rakyat. If I recall correctly, immediately after the celebration, he went sailing in Australia and open his brother’s nasi kandar restaurant!
Can’t blame him really, as he doesn’t even write his own speeches, be in the country at the time of need, or keep awake during functions..
July 22nd, 2008 at 15: 05.52
if at all anyone has to be suspicious and forge unity anywhere it should be the minorities i.e the chinese, indians, ceylonese, iban, kadazans and others.
what we have in malaysia is the majority seems to be vulnerable and insecure of themselves and their position.
what we actually need is DAP, Gerakan and MCA joining hands to forge chinese unity and MIC, PPP and Hindraf forging for indian unity
what will happen if everyone starts uniting among themselves? what about Malaysia then ?
July 22nd, 2008 at 15: 08.28
TO Mr. Smith:
“Abdullah is the Malaysian equivalent of Mr Bean. A dumb fool.” I fully agreed with your statement perfectly describing our PM. Let me tell you what, Bodowi doesn’t know how to use PC, so whatever you wrote, he doesn’t give a damn! Can you imagine the comment he made on the DNA issue on Anwar case? It’s a laughing stock of all nations due to his stupidity and ignorance on DNA preservation, what a fool!
July 22nd, 2008 at 15: 15.39
Forgot to add on one issue - if you look at the debate by Anwar vs Shaberry, Anwar by far a more intelligent and talented person to be the next PM. When Anwar challenged PM / DPM for debate, none dares to come out to face Anwar as they don’t have guts, man! Instead he asked Shabery to take on the stage to save their face but Shaberry is peanut - no fight at all with Anwar, look at the survey, I think all Malaysians voted Anwar is the ultimate winner but media said otherwise - no winner, can you see the stupid main stream media tried to fool the people?? PM - if you are fool, please don’t assume everyone is as fool as you!!!!!! Step down, dumb fool!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 15: 16.43
Unrelenting emphasis on Malay supremacy and Malay economic empowerment will lead to severe racial polarization in the Malaysian society and an underperformed Malaysia in terms of national throughput and GDP count.
Malaysian politicians should realize that in this age of globalization, real competition comes from people of another country. The weak and the less fortunate of our society, IRRESPECTIVE OF RACE, need to be assisted to face up to such competition and challenges (be it in trade, education and employment). The nation can only optimize its throughput and GDP performance when the weak and the less fortunate (irrespective of race) made progress and compete favorably internationally.
The government should be mindful of the fact that race-oriented policies will dampen investment climate and people’s spirit to compete and advance. That could cause the country to lose its economic dynamism and professionals (e.g. doctors and engineers) who seek to emigrate to avoid such policies.
July 22nd, 2008 at 15: 25.39
This is the last strategy Umno is left with, playing the race card to hold on to power. After the last GE, they realized this last option is fast loosing ground, so trying to hoodwink PAS again as their final resort. I hope, PAS realize how they were sodomized by Umno, the last time they got together. The Chinese have a different saying from Nik Aziz but, carry the same weight, “A good horse will not return to old pasture”
Playing old politics are for spent politicians, the nation has grown and we move on…with better leaders and new ideas to face the challenges of tomorrow.
July 22nd, 2008 at 15: 26.12
You think UMNO cares who they talk to? They will do whatever to keep themselves in power and out of jail in the name of whatever unity talk.
They have so much at stake. What is MCA and Gerakan doing? Harping on chinese road signs!! Pure stupidity and childish.
July 22nd, 2008 at 15: 34.16
UMNO is using PAS for their political ambiguity due to lack of Malay supports in recent GE and in other intention to break the Pakatan Rakyat. Anwar slowly convinces the Malays and winning their support. I say Malays are in dilemma.
While Chinese and Indians are united under DAP and PKR, Malays are still divided 50-50 under PAS and UMNO. It is clear that there are some of PAS leaders are too ambitious particularly in Selangor and Terengganu. Their short term goal is the dumbest ever. When UMNO didn’t need them anymore, UMNO will kick their butt.
If the intention is for Pakatan Rakyat to take PAS more seriously, I think they have get the objective, but if they are actually serious about the Malay Unity talks then I say it is stupid. UMNO supposed to begging PAS with their knee on the floor to get the PAS mercy, not PAS come to rescue them like Nik Aziz said. You have been fighting for 50 years and now you want to rescue them? PAS must give a K.O punch right in the UMNO face.
Maybe Malays are too weak and have a lot of mercy especially when it comes to their own race.
The question arises, who do you believe, Chinese Malaysian or Malay UMNO?
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 05.05
PASUMNO OR UMNOPAS!
How about PASUMNOMCA OR UMNOMCAPAS?
Tur Key Ong
VS
Kari Chicken Ong
VS
Chua Sai Liow
VS
Tukang Lawak Liow
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 05.56
Haven’t PAS members heard of the little red riding hood story?
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 08.31
Why would anyone wants to board a sinking ship?
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 13.36
Mengapa perlu satu muzakarah untuk menyelamatkan bangsa Melayu? Mengapa perlu PAS bermuzakarah dengan UMNO untuk menyelamatkan bangsa Melayu.
• PAS bukan Parti yang memperjuangkan Bangsa Melayu.
• UMNO sudah memperjuangkan hak Bangsa Melayu sejak 1946 lagi.
• Kalau UMNO dianggap gagal memperjuangkan hak Bangsa Melayu sejak 1946 lagi, mengapa perlu PAS menghulurkan bantuan buat UMNO.
PAS sefaham saya memperjuangkan sebuah Kerajaan Berteraskan Ajaran Islam untuk semua umat manusia. Mengapa PAS hari ini perlu kecilkan skop menyebarkan kebaikan seperti skop UMNO.
PAS era kepimpinan Ulama’ telah memerintah Kelantan 18 tahun,
• Apakah PAS gagal membela hak orang Melayu di Kelantan sepanjang tempoh itu hingga perlu bermuzakarah dengan UMNO?
• Apakah PAS yang memerintah Kelantan sepanjang 18 tahun berteraskan Islam perlu menjadi sebuah Parti Nasionalis.
• Apakah PAS gagal dengan Pemerintahan Islamnya hingga perlu bermuzakarah dengan Parti yang memperjuangkan Islam Hadhari yang selama ini menjadi kritikan PAS?
PAS kini mempunyai rakan kongsi yang prihatin dan menyanjung satu sama lain. PKR dan DAP bersama PAS didalam Pakatan Rakyat telah membuktikan ianya adalah satu resipi yang berjaya,
• Lim Guan Eng, Ketua Menteri Pulau Pinang dari DAP sendiri menerima teknik-teknik pemerintahan tokoh Islam dan beberapa kali membuktikan bahawa dia jauh lebih prihatin terhadap orang-orang Islam di bawah pemerintahannya berbanding dengan UMNO sendiri.
• Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim, Menteri Besar Selangor dari PKR membuktikan beliau mengutamakan ketelusan sambil mengambil berat tentang masyarakat Cina dan India dibawah pemerintahannya.
• Di negeri Perak, walaupun PAS adalah minoriti tetapi PAS berjaya membuktikan kewibawaan Menteri Besar Nizar dari PAS dengan bakat kepimpinan tinggi dan amat prihatin dan amat disanjung oleh masyarakat bukan Islam.
Apa yang berlaku hari ini adalah satu persediaan untuk anggota komponen Pakatan Rakyat merubah sikap ektremis mereka dan menjadikan komponennya parti politik untuk semua yang kelak mempunyai masa depan yang amat cerah di dalam pilihanraya umum akan datang.
http://kickdefella.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/pas-umno-jangan-main-belakang/
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 13.52
COME MR .nik
UNITY TALKS\
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 14.51
All readers of LKS page, if you have not seen the video on ANWAR speech at Cheng, Melaka, please do take some time to see this video.
Anwar is back and there is no turning back for him now. Most people of Malaysia are backing DSAI for next PM.
All thanks should rightfully go to current government for the much needed and correct publicity accorded to DSAI.
ANWAR BIN IBRAHIM FOR PM.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 15.02
UNITY TALKS
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 15.03
Pengumuman sebelah pihak oleh Abdullah tentunya ada motif tersirat. Jujurkah Abdullah bila beliau umumkan pemimpin ‘decision-makers’ PAS telah tiga kali menemui beliau? Atau beliau sedang memainkan PAS dengan satu strategi politik dengan umpan yang enak? Sekurang-kurang, dalam keadaan terlalu terdesak, beliau boleh mencapai matlamat politik jangka pendek;
a. Mengukuhkan kedudukan beliau dalam UMNO di tengah pergolakan dalaman yang tidak menentu.
b. Menabur benih perpecahan di dalam PAS yang mungkin mara mengambil alih tempat UMNO pada masa depan.
c. Menghilangkan keyakinan dalam Pakatan Rakyat dan menghalang Agenda Post Pilhanraya 2008.
d. Menjarakkan semula PAS dari sokongan masyarakat bukan Melayu, mungkin 40 tahun kebelakang semula.
Mungkin Abdullah mendapat inspirasi umpan ‘Negara Islam’ yang dilemparkan oleh Dr. Mahathir selepas melihat kemaraan Pembangkang dalam pilihanraya 1999 dan umpan itu menjadi sehingga Pembangkang undur semula dalam pilihanraya 2004.
Perjuangan Islam yang dibawa oleh PAS sudah tentu tidak akan mengkesampingkan perpaduan ummat Islam dan tidak pula menjadikan Perpaduan Nasional agenda kedua selepas Perpaduan Islam. Malah, Perpaduan Islam dicapai dalam konteks Perpaduan Nasional yang semestinya diasaskan bukan di atas asas kaum semata-mata seperti dilakukan oleh UMNO selama ini, tetapi di atas asas yang lebih kukuh seperti tiada diskriminasi kaum, tiada diskriminasi berdasarkan fahaman politik dan keadilan untuk semua.
http://cetusan-hati.blogspot.com/2008/07/abdullah-memancing-hati-hati.html
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 23.28
I am not in the least concerned about what UMNO is doing. In fact I would be very surprised if they sit down and do nothing to sabotage Pakatan, which is what this whole exercise is all about. They are trying to hide it under the guise of Malay unity when all they are interested in is to drive a wedge between the Pakatan parties.
And if PAS is dumb enough to fall into their trap, then PAS deserves to be wiped out in the next GE. Because that is what will happen to them for betraying their comrades for material gains, which obviously is their intention whatever they may claim about Malay unity talks. We can even tolerate some degree of Islamisation but there is no compromise where betrayal of people who helped voted you in is concerned. You will go the path of Gerakan, PPP, MIC and eventually MCA too and you can bet your bottom dollar UMNO will dump you like a bunch of hot potatoes the moment you are of no purpose to them. So to those in PAS who are still sincere about their cause to build a new and fair nation, get rid of those scums in your party.
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 25.00
There is clearly a hidden agenda in AAB and UMNO’s mind organising the Malay unity talks between PAS and UMNO. They would want to break up PAS into camps. Divide and rule is BN’s strong point. If PAS is gullible then the PR govt in the 5 states will become disunited. PAS should recall their bitter mistake after sleeping and sodomised by UMNO in the past and waking up from the slumber to realise that the party had walkover by UMNO.
Once this happens, UMNO will just walk in and form the govt which the PR govt had tried so hard to wrest it from BN in PRU12.
If UMNO is sincere , why not talk to all PR component parties namely Keadilan, DAP and PAS jointly for a united Malaysia and help the PR govt to rule the state now in their development programmes rather than spending huge sums of unnecessary and wasteful taxpayer’s money forming a parallel govt. in PR ruled states.
I hope DSAI is fully aware of these developments and the UMNO controlled govt. is going all out to destabilse and destroy the PR state govts to prevent them from giving a better and transparent alternative. In fact, the BN is slowly but surely heading for catastrophic disaster considering the state of confusion in MCA, Gerakan , MIC and UMNO. They have no direction and rudderless.
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 34.38
YB,
As a non-malay, I wish to know what is the position of the non-malays in this country. If it is that of third class citizen, I and many others dont need that kind of crap. Tell us clearly. MIC/MCA/Gerakan/PPP etc. What is your stand regarding this?
If this is going to be a nation of non equal citizens, I want out. Yes when the umnoputras keep taunting us to balik balik, they looked down on China and India.
Well I hope these kataks di bawah tempurung realize the pace at which these two nations have developed. And the calls to us to balik balik may soon become a reality.
Of course its no loss to the umnoputras, but it WILL be a loss to Malaysia.
But I do want to know. If I am to remain a thrid class citizen in this country, I’d rather place my loyalties elsewhere, and start new somewhere else, where my children will become equal citizens. Not here where they have to constantly face discrimination.
What the heck, even an Indon can get better rights than a person born and brought up in Malaysia. What sort of justice is this?
MCA/MIC/Gerakan/PPP, you guys are ok because you have sold your souls to umno and thrive on the dregs thrown at you. Well you guys keep it up, and lets see who is going to vote for you in future. If you know what is good for your own selves, your family, relatives and friends, do leave BN and join PR.
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 38.48
This is another desperate measure by PM. Last draw of the racial card. This is his last joker. His previous cards were used on Chinese, Indian & Sabahans. All of which didn’t work. If there’s a 5th joker, then he cheated. Only 1 stack of cards allowed. So last draw is make this “Malay Unity” an issue. I am sure RPK will disagree on this. First, there are more Malay MPs in Parliament than before. Secondly, it is because the Malays are united that we have a chance to move towards a 2 party system. It shows that majority of Malays are actually more politically mature & would like to see an end to racial politics which serves no purpose to take the country forward. They are not against UMNO or BN, they are against the weak government. Regardless BN or PR, the Malays will come united & vote out or in as they please. So, what PM is saying is just utter rubbish to stir the soup. Isn’t this sedition??? Evil politicians do not like stability. Stability make them lose grip of power. It is them who are trying to break up the Malays. Eg possible outcome, PAS will become a smaller political party. The whole issue is OIL/GAS in Kelantan. The moment BN take over, they will say they have found new reserves that will take us to another 100 years. All hail BN for it. Hope PAS do not fall into this political trap. Kelantan will become another Terengganu otherwise.
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 56.18
siapa yang membela nasib Malaysia?
UMNO untuk melayu
MIC untuk india
MCA untuk cina
siapa untuk Malaysia?
July 22nd, 2008 at 16: 59.53
You guys want to know why UMNO is sinking? Read on…
SHAH ALAM, July 22 — Rural and Regional Development Minister Tan Sri Muhammad Muhd Taib today offered himself as a candidate for the Umno vice-presidency in the party elections in December.
“I intend to strengthen the party in the face of new challenges, particularly in helping Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and Datuk Seri Najib Razak champion the cause of the Malays,” he said at a media conference.
http://themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysian-news/34-malaysian-news/2099-muhammad-going-for-umno-veep
July 22nd, 2008 at 17: 19.55
Unless we have sufficient number of Malays who believe in multiracial liberalism, this nation will be a goner.
When push comes shove, it is always that Malay and ketuanan things. From day one of our independence, the Malays had always fought for Malay Malaysia. LKY saw it as early as 1964. But we have enough reactionary forces (both Malays and non-Malays in the country then to eject LKY out of the Federation). If we can’t do it in 1960s, what makes us think that we could do it in 2008.
We are counting for the Malays to be more open and inclusive. But are they? Education means nothing if national policies remain divisive to the core. Instead of nurturing togetherness, we are inculcating hatred and suspicions for the last 50 years. So I must say after 50 years, it is still the same. Never mind that without the contributions of many non-Malays, this country would have been nothing. Of course all these arguments mean little to the Malays now. They think they are capable of achieving greatness without others now. From first Malay doctor, engineer, dentist, to now first Malay in space and first Malay to swim across the English Channel, etc, do you think they will give a hoot to the non-Malays now? Ya, misplaced confidence and arrogance are everywhere, including the highly educated and those holding high positions in government, GLCs and the private sector.
I think it is pointless to continue arguing how valuable the non-Malays are to this country anymore. The majority of the Malays and their leaders must be made to recognise their own follies of continuing sticking to the ill-conceived greatness among themselves. We (Chinese, Indians, Malays and all the natives in Sabah and Sarawak) are all nothing, but together may be we can achieve something. But this is not to be. It is like the curse of the nation. Never ending racism, parochialism, religious bigotry and Nazism. Why can’t we just get along in peace and harmony in this world first before worrying about our next world. If we truly believe in Almighty, we ought to know he loves justice and all men are created in His image. What the heck is going on?
July 22nd, 2008 at 17: 23.09
Nothing has changed. The well tested strategy – racism and religious bigotry - is back haunting us.
July 22nd, 2008 at 17: 27.04
Dear ALL,
At the end of the day People must look after Peoples’ welfare(P4P).When it comes to hunger & poverty , racial sentiments and politicians ploys leads nowhere. We the rakyat shall be here suffering and those millionaire trouble makers will be enjoying life with their family & cronies in Las Vegas & Miami Beach ! Time has come where “PEOPLE come First”. We have no choice other than to rebuild this motherland ! We must keep out the equals of Marcos, Mugabe, Idi Amin, Saddam and the North Korea Clown in Malaysia to protect our next generation’s welfare ! Only one action left, UNITE !
July 22nd, 2008 at 17: 36.10
Of course the UMNO would want to unite the Malays, this is the constitution of the organization. Unite the Malay, blame the Chinese and Indians and at the same time korek the national treasury. Just like what MCA and MIC do.
Since March 2008 set back, UMNO worries about losing the confidence of the Malay, and they approach PAS in attempt to build a new “brotherhood” connection. It is totally understandable since they share 2 vital common grounds:- they are both Malay majority party, and they are both Islamic “hypothetically”.
Be it the old gang with MCA and MIC or the new (again hypothetically) brotherhood with PAS, these allies work on the same routes. 1) Hypnotize the ppl of the same race or same religion that they are there to protectt heir interest, 2) Blame whatever mishaps, misachievement on other races, 3) at the same time work with the cronies (which ironically can possibily be of any races or religions) to syphon national wealth.
Whom to blame for what we are suffering now? It is you and it is me, the electorates! So, dont fall for it! Never again.
July 22nd, 2008 at 17: 43.21
concurred with limkamput. today the malays, Gapem, BTN, Pas, PM, Umno are still talking about malay unity and improving nep to ensure they have 70% equity on the pretext of only having achieved 18.9%. if umno/bn cannot be purged by the next election, hopefully earlier, then this country is a goner like zimbabwe.
July 22nd, 2008 at 17: 56.14
UMNO has come with a strategic blue print of a script to stay in power plus contingency plans thrown in. They have always be seen as dim-witted but the going-ons since 8th March manifest some intelligently sinister but wholesale and grand design plans at play, albeit with some assinine back-firing consequences. If they can use Israeli security system in software and hardware for PDRM, they are in a way accessible to a whole package of consultation for political survival.
Thus far, these are already happening :
1) Raise price of oil drastically and use ’scorched earth policy’ in case they are usurped of their powers by PR. Also ready to cut and run in short term when more funds accumulated through taking away subsidy from rakyat.
2) Get Ezam into their fold as a ‘credible’ voice for UMNO
3) Attack Anwar with sodomy accusation at same time buy more time.
3) Have ‘talks’ with PAS to regain some credibility among the Malays and cause an eventual split among PR. Divide and rule.
Side issues to be addressed as contingencies to resolve matters:
1) Keep Bala away (so far so good)
2) ‘Raid’ on top brass of Immigration Dept and replace them to stop any leakage of missing travel documents of a particular person from a salubrious country. The new Immy chief installed was formerly from Ministry of Defence!
3) Get as many people as possible to ask Anwar to give DNA sample.
As far as PAS is concerned, Nik Aziz had enough of UMNO.
1) Previously, UMNO took PAS for a ride
2) BN govt detained his son under ISA for about 5 years.
July 22nd, 2008 at 17: 59.09
A letter submitted to Harakahdaily
Sebagai salah seorang pengundi satu-satunya parti Islam di Malaysia ini di PRU 12, saya merasakan segalanya sia-sia setelah mendengar sendiri pengakuan daripada Dato’ Seri Tuan Guru Presiden PAS berkenaan pertemuan-pertemuan dan muzakarah yang bakal diadakan dengan parti UMNO.
Hasrat dan tujuannya murni, tetapi amat malang ia menyerlahkan kepincangan PAS sebagai sebuah parti yang konsisten berpegang kepada janji. Dengan segala macam huru-hara dalam negara pada hari ini, langkah yang diambil PAS ini menambah kecelaruan politik dalam negara. Ketika BN kian tenat dan UMNO di ambang perpecahan yang parah, PAS sepatutnya komited dengan Pakatan Rakyat serta komited dengan harapan menggunung penyokong-penyokong dan pengundi-pengundi PAS ketika ini yang mahukan perubahan pemerintahan di peringkat pusat secara total!!! Detik ini adalah detik terbaik bagi PAS dan Pakatan Rakyat bukan hanya mengukuhkan kerjasama malah memperkasakan persefahaman!!! Amat penting bagi PAS sebagai sebahagian daripada Pakatan Rakyat menunjukkan solidariti kepada rakyat terbanyak. Sebaliknya tindakan PAS ini menyebabkan kami hilang punca!!!! Siapa lagi yang harus kami percaya???? Perlukah kami kembali ke pangkuan UMNO???
Tindakan menghulur tangan persahabatan dengan UMNO walau apapun labelnya sama ada ‘pertemuan, muzakarah atau kerjasama’ samalah ertinya dengan mengkhianati kepercayaan rakyat Malaysia yang BERBILANG KAUM yang menyokong, mengundi dan mempercayai PAS. Pengkhianatan ini bakal menyaksikan kepupusan ahli-ahli parlimen PAS dari Dewan Rakyat selepas PRU 13 kelak. Rakyat akan menghukum PAS sebagaimana kami telah menghukum UMNO.
Walaupun PRU 13 lambat lagi menjelang tetapi sedarlah, tindakan PAS ini telang menghilangkan kepercayaan separuh daripada pengundi-pengundi PAS pada PRU 12 yang lalu. Hal ini berikutan pengundi-pengundi ini (yang berbilang kaum) bukanlah penyokong tegar PAS atau ahli PAS. Mereka adalah kalangan yang ingin menghulurkan tangan persahabatan dengan PAS dan mengenali dengan lebih dalam perjuangan PAS. PAS diyakini tidak sesekali akan mengkhianati mereka.
Adalah malang apabila Dato’ Seri Tuan Guru Presiden yang sering melaung-laungkan tentang prinsip-prinsip demokrasi, kepentingan nilai-nilai universal dan kesaksamaan dalam masyarakat (yang semuanya selari dengan ajaran Islam) tetapi ternyata terperangkap dalam kerangka lama perkauman / communal / assabiah. Kerangka perkauman ini bukan hanya hasil produk pecah dan perintah penjajah British, malah terhasil dari polisi-polisi pentadbiran Perikatan / Barisan Nasional selama 50 tahun memerintah Malaysia. Oleh yang demikian PAS yang mendukung Islam yang universal kenapa tiba-tiba perlu menjadi jagoan Melayu? Kami tidak perlu kepada pahlawan Melayu menghunus keris. Kami perlukan pejuang Islam sejati yang pastinya melindungi kepentingan semua (tidak mengenal ras). Terutamanya, golongan kelas paling bawah yang benar-benar memerlukan dalam masyarakat Malaysia yang semakin berstrata.
Kami undi PAS kerana ia bukan UMNO, kami undi DAP kerana ia bukan UMNO, kami undi PKR kerana ia bukan UMNO. Muzakarah ini tidak memberi manfaat kepada Islam, ia tidak memberikan faedah kepada Malaysia, ia tidak memberikan apa-apa kepada Melayu. Di akui ia kerana Melayu, tetapi bukan kepada Melayu macam kami, ia kepada Melayu dalam UMNO terutama yang bernama Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, Khairy Jamaludin, Najib Razak, Rosmah Mansor, Mukhriz Mahathir…..
PENGUNDI PAS DI MELAKA
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 00.36
BN sodah GAGAL!!! they do not have any good cards at hand..even now they want to create confusion among the Malays and now they try to menular kedalam PAS.
PAS is far better cleaner and wiser than them ..and now they want to damage PAS..
BN are all poison snakes with double face and head…
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 01.32
More Malay unity talks = Less Malaysian Unity+ More discriminations
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 04.22
As a normal, no-income, ethnic chinese Malaysian citizen, I love my country, but felt that I’m not really a citizen, our leaders are treating me like an illegal immigrant!
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 12.03
To limkamput:
I hope you realize the racist card has always being played by UMNO and after the March 8 defeat they are becoming defensive and thus go on the offensive. Among other things they claim the Malays are getting disunited, but which in actual fact UMNO was in trouble and crumbling with an impending implosion.
Many Malays are rejecting UMNO especially when it all started in 1998.
This is the situation now. Let me reiterate as in my previous comments.
Malays who are sympathetic to Anwar (now even non-sympathizers of Anwar) REFUSE to support and vote for UMNO/BN. In 1998, UMNO/BN lost many Malay support when Anwar suffered trumped-up charges of sodomy and corruption. One of the characteristics of a Malay culture is that the villagers (in a kampung setting) or the rakyat (national setting)will NOT stand for the mistreatment of their leader and putting him to shame and especially when the mistreatment is perceived to be malicious and defamatory, or more specifically, politically motivated. Many Malays were beaten up, sprayed with chemical-laced water and detained when they fought for Anwar.
In 2004, UMNO/BN won back the Malay support after Paklah took over as PM. Now, 2008, it’s deja vu for Anwar, UMNO/BN and rakyat. This time around, it’s going to be different and inter alia, the Chinese and Indians are supporting PR and Anwar!
Those Malays who still support UMNO/BN are mainly from the rural areas without access to alternative media, who mostly watch and listen to RTM and those, especially the more senior citizens with tradition steeped in supporting UMNO. That’s the reason Anwar-Shabery debate was not on RTM TV.
During the BERSIH rally and the fuel price hike rally at Kelana Jaya, the majority was Malays followed by Indians. Those Chinese who were present were mainly from NGOs. Not sounding as though pushing for demonstrations, it is hoped that the Chinese especially, be prepared and can be as hard hitting in physical presence at rallies as they are at ballot boxes and blogs. It will be good if they can make their presence felt. We may wait for the next general election to show our displeasure through the election box. But if there were to be rallies (not necessarily an event ala-people power to topple the govt) organized by PR, it will be ideal if the rakyat of every race join in in equal force. The Chinese being substantial in number in the city will definitely make a great impact. We don’t want BN to say that PR is not getting the support everytime they hold rallies. And the mainstream media (MSM) will provide further miscommunication to the rural folks about the non-support and inefficacy of PR. Just look at Thailand and South Korea as among the examples. Their citizens are with one voice when they don’t agree with their govts.
Those who are against demonstrations should look at our history where our founding fathers for independence resorted to street marches to make a point. Besides, it is part of our inalienable right as rakyat to have peaceful assemblies.
We are in this together. It is not about one race but about all the citizens. It’s not about the micro of one person we fight for but for our beloved nation where the macro comes into play where the whole world is watching how the Ministers, MSM media, police, judiciary and other relevant govt agencies are behaving.
We can wait patiently for the the next general election in 4 years time. But in the interim do we want to be a perpetual and perennial laughing stock of the world? Foreigners and foreign investors will not take us serioulsy. Now we hope the govt can on its own accord drastically change its own ways. Otherwise we the rakyat will find legitimate ways and means in this interim period for the govt to transform for the common good. Change or BE changed.
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 16.40
I pity all you poor Chinese and Indians who are stuck in Malaysia. You have all dug a hole for yourselves due to your apathy and inaction over the Malay hegemony Subject to the prejudice and discrimination for decades and only belatedly speaking up when the house of cards have started tumbling down. It’s too late. You have a failing economy, a nation which is unable to compete and you are forever governed by fools. Your ringgit has no value and your education system have gone backwards over the last two decades, no thanks to your Malay brothers. The current generation is slack and lazy and they feed off the wasteful baby boomers who will leave nothing for the future generations. The hardwork of the Chinese and Indian forefathers/migrants have all gone to waste as no-one dared to stand up against the apartheid government and their discriminatory policies. It’s all too late. You have the money then save yourselves by sending the Chinese and Indian children abroad. Save them from these bumis who feast only greed but do not toil.
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 17.50
If now UMNO calls all the shots in BN.Imagine what will happen if PAS joins BN. Even now non- muslims are losing their freedom of religion.
It is so hard to build non muslim house of worship.With PAS coming into the picture.We can say bye bye to most entertainment.All the female singers will be out of a job.
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 22.30
What can we do to people who do not want to listen?
I am begining to suspect that it is because they cant understand.
Simply put, they are plain thick.
And instead of letting their stupidity show, they decided to shroud them with an oversized arrogance.
But of course, their stupidity still show.
Look at proton, and the spaceman, and the look east policy.
At best, these are not clever ideas.
There are many more examples - including worse ones.
I am not bothered actually.
But I am affected by their stupidity - my country, my rights, my health, my wealth.
Now that is worrying - outright annoying.
A couple of millions spent on 14 brand new Mercs in this lousy economic climate because it would be cheaper at the end of the day!
A few hundred million to build a sports centre in London to give our sportsmen and women foreign experience! Fortunately this one failed to take off.
What more? paint our roads pink and then blue and then purple and then repeat the cycle again for 20 years to come for a guaranteed profit of hundreds millions so that our cities would appear attractive when seen in Google Earth?
That would be nice.
Things like these. Yes. They annoy me to no end.
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 27.55
You are slow, taiking.
What used to be million-ringgit projects are now in the billions. Why so many of these lame and ultimately dumb projects? Why all these inflated figures?
Duit masuk poket lah.
No other reason. No need to think about it.
Corruption.
Who needs crooks when you have the government robbing the people?
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 38.38
I am one of the many Malays who believes in multiculturalism. We do appreciate the existence of Chinese and Indians in this country. Being multicultural, being multilingual, being multireligious, being heterogeneous is definitely a big advantage for the country.
I also believe in affirmative action, but instead in communal-centric basis it should be class-based. There are millions of Malays, Chinese, Indian and minorities of Sabah & Sarawak who really need assistance.
We must work hand in hand together to get rid UMNO & co from their positions in government. It is not too late…
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 39.01
Dear ALL, Don’t woory lah! Who knows, this is just another prelude of crossing over from UMNO to PR by AAB and the Gang! Any thing can happen before the UMNO election!
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 42.29
It is so disgusting to hear about Umno and Pas taking about Malay Unity. I doubt this is going to unite the country. Look at the political parties in the country. Umno for the Malays, MIC for the Indians, MCA for the Chinese. Do u think for one moment that UMNO will do anything to strengthen the aspiration of the Chinese or MIC will do anything to help the Malays economically? Fat hope!
Unless, there’s a shift from the racial-lined politics, the country will not be united. So, i dont believe that the PM is that stupid just to talk about Malay unity but a hidden agenda to save the BN by trying to drive a wedge into the PK alliance.
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 44.16
This thing about religion and race is nothing but a smokescreen for a bigger agenda - Money, money, money. The perpetuation of NEP to 2050, the issuance of APs until 2020, etc etc.
It’s good that this issue comes out into the open now so that PAS can take a stand - stick with PR or join the den of thieves. Then we will know how strong a hold their religion has on the Muslims of Bolehland.
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 49.48
It’s all about staying in power rather than Malay-unity. It’s a prelude under cover to project for the sake of the Malay-unity issue.
After the 12th GE, they the UMNOputras know they are losing ground and in order to save their skin or rather to hang on to power, they have no choice but to look towards the best “bride” to “marry”.
Only PAS, or to be precise, some PAS opportunists has/have fallen into this UMNO-trap to propagate towards Malay-unity.
This only shows, a leopard never changes its spots. Has PAs forgotten how UMNO played them out previously? Memories seem short. Why? Because of individualistic egos for individual gains, so UMNOputras tapped upon the greed of some PAS individualistic & egoistic leaders and at the expense of all Malaysians.
YB, you hit it right!!!. AAB has no balls to keep his words. When pushed towards the edge, AAB and all UMNOputras can and will do anything for their own sake. DSAI said it right. These UMNOputras are just enriching themselves by holding onto power, lest when they are “kicked” out, the can of worms will be exposed!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 55.10
Simply a bunch of old-schoolers.
These umno spin doctors of yours should all be fired.
Still the same old tricks? Firstly, DSAI’s sodomy then secondly, umno-pas’s racial talk?
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Move on laaaah~ ha ha ha~
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 57.14
So my earlier blogs on Malaysia being an Islamic state is being realized. As I have said, Malaysia could only qualify as an Islamic state on two conditions, i.e.
1) UMNO inviting PAS as its political partner as both profess Islam as their official religion. Having PAS as an opposition will only result in a case of Islam v. Islam.
2) UMNO will have to kick out all non-Muslim political parties from BN, ie. MCA, MIC, PPP, Gerakan and others, otherwise BN will look so UNISLAMIC.
Looks like they have taken the first step, so the next step will be to kick out MCA, MIC, PPP, Gerakan and the other non-Islamic parties from BN!!!!! So, I would like to see what the IDIOTS from MCA has to say about their support for Malaysia to be an Islamic nation the way they express their support when AAB announced Malaysia as an Islamic State some time back!!!!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 18: 58.43
I am a Malaysian Chinese and I share strongly the views of MPSKP who is a Malaysian Malay.
We should not harp consistently on any one race. There are indeed many Malays out there who need assistance. Likewise many more Chines and Indians. Worst of all, the Ibans, Kadazans, other ethnic groups in Sabah & Sarawak who are in dire straits and who needed government assistance.
Who cares for these unfortunate people? If we Malaysians do not even wink an eye for them, who would? Together, we Malaysians must unite to rid the corrupted corrupts so that there is a vision and chance for these to be elevated.
Come on, Malaysian!! We have each a responsibility upon our shoulders. Show the solidarity amongst us as Malaysians to our part and create a future for us ans our future generations to come.
July 22nd, 2008 at 19: 07.19
Dear Limkamput and bystander,
I am a Malay who has been fighting against my own parents who are staunch Umno members. I have been called rude and ungrateful daughter. I am a Malay who told her own cousin to get lost when she asked me to join Puteri Umno. I love my parents, I love my cousin and it hurts me deeply when they are so blind to see the truth.
I am a Malay who fight and defend my Chinese and Indian brother. Now, Limkamput, if there is one Malay like me there are many more out there, okay? Not all Malay think and act like the Umnos. Not all.. And you by whacking the Malays are nothing but racist yourselves!
July 22nd, 2008 at 19: 17.14
yup kcb, we muslims pray 5 times a day…… for some others,bribery is a must….. even to the extend of bribing god in order to go to heaven…….
July 22nd, 2008 at 19: 22.28
I just Khir Toyo’s article in Malaysiakini… It is indeed aimed at casting AI as a destroyer of Malay Unity. Anwar an obstacle to the continued dominance of Malays in the country.
There is really nothing much we can do as it is within his right as an individual to express his communal opinions in an attempt to influence the others. I do not think he will succeed:
1. PAS is a party of strong ideologists and not opportunists.
2. Nik Aziz is a man guided by strong spiritual values and he commands fomidable respect in the party.
3. The momentum for change is strong and will overcome any obstacle being put in its way.
4. Good sense will prevail: The citizens of Malaysia do not want continued corruption that is draining its resources. Malaysians know that we live in a multi-racial society and there is only one way to achieve success: Moving forward together.
I am not having sleepless nights over the latest move by UMNO. If they were serious in working together it would alreadyhave happened.
July 22nd, 2008 at 20: 01.22
Again this move might shake the Malaysia political structure. I personally feel that PAS and UNMO have one common view, viz. Islamic Country,thus I am not surprise they make these kind of discussion or even they might merge as one when time come.
July 22nd, 2008 at 20: 01.42
Nik Aziz himself does not believe in Umno.Nik Aziz had his education in India and he had seen everything.Abdullah can extend his hand but it will not be touched wholeheartedly.PAS is divided ,as it is made to, because PAS sees a great split in UMNO and they are in a position for the first time to be in the centre.PAS had bargained the best for the party just in case UMNO falls but their demands are a bit too much.They want the DPM post and half of the ministers.It means they are thinking of MCA, MIC.GERAKAN, joining the PKR leaving UMNO to take in PAS and together Sabah and Sarawak.This will work but that is the start of a great divide in this country where it will be Bumiputra hegemony.Nik Aziz has a vision and he sees it coming.
July 22nd, 2008 at 20: 01.44
The actual destroyer of Malay unity is UMNO themselves. Again and again when comes to crunch time, they will play “race card” which is so so so invalid strategy. UMNO is too blinded with their own fault and administration malfunction. If UMNO really selfless and with true intention to bring good to the Malays, there won’t be so many Malays out there who are still struggling with their livelihood and there won’t be so many self-enriched millionaires and billionaires in UMNO who are with big cars and big bungalows. The salary earned by them simply do not jive up with their lifestyles. Malays are NOT fools and they are more matured, educated and with eyes to see what had happened and happening to our beloved country. Malays have learned and refused to be used shield again and again to enrich those politicians who proclaimed to defenders of the Malays. What PM or even DPM should talk about is “Malaysia Unity” rather than Malays alone. As a leader of the country, they should look at broader picture rather than micro-manage…!!! Anyway, it is too late..!!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 20: 28.02
WATCH OUT! Here they go again, Khir Toyo now blames Anwar for derailing malay Unity. Wow, talk about passing the bucket. Where we are today has absolute nothing to do with Anwar as he was serving in jail, out of Politic? but has Everything to do with people like himself - khir toyo, Ini bukan toyota, boleh kostan. Umno talks about ONLY Malay unity to run Selangor and deliberately left out the Chinese and Indians, trying to show off its myopic handicap. Intend to create ‘racial problem’ again. Sudah lah, dah tunjuk banyak kali, tak malu ka? This won’t work, any never will. The rakyat have grown, You and all your people be ‘insignificant’ and line up behind Dinasours, ready for extinction.
July 22nd, 2008 at 20: 56.16
The Chinese saying, “A good horse never turns back on the pasture it has left” and I think Nik Aziz would be wise enough to take heed of this saying. Having been a partner in BN umpteen years ago, why did PAS leave BN? The reason was obvious, BN had different ideologies from PAS. So don’t tell me a leopard is about to shed its spots after these years and come to terms with an ex-partner?
July 22nd, 2008 at 20: 56.40
All this Malay unity trash talks happened because there are some gung ho leaders in PAS who think they are very great after winning two states and have three Menteri Besar. Well, since they like to talk to UMNO so much might as well join them, Pakatan Rakyat will be better without this kind of leaders.
July 22nd, 2008 at 20: 58.01
The whole of PAS can join UMNO and Pakatan Rakyat will be better lor!
July 22nd, 2008 at 21: 00.14
After 50 years of national independence we are still at square one: talking about unity among Malays, among Chinese, among Indians, among other races, and ALSO among races! What a shame. These should be the issues of the past and as a nation we should get on and see fruits of progress and developments - not still harping on those issues which will bring much benefits but more discord and distrust. The government of the day should at all cost ensure there are peace and harmony, UNLESS THEY INTENT TO DE-STABILIZE the nation to PREVENT THE NEXT LAWFULLY ELECTED government of the people from exposing their PAST CORRUPTED system and made to account for them.
July 22nd, 2008 at 21: 06.58
I like this race card. I think it’s Ace. Sure win card.
I like this rakyat word. I also like boleh and bangsa M’sia. Nice catchy words to capture the hearts (sorry no minds) of the rakyat.
I like this Malay unity thing. It’s good to see Malays united.
What happens if MIC decides to talk to Hindraf? Will they be kicked out of BN?
What happens if MCA/Gerakan talk to DAP and Uncle Kit? Will that be treason? Or will it be good for Chinese Unity?
To the melayu readers out there, sorry for the racist cinas and hindus on this website. They have been so oppressed that they feel sodomized like Saiful and left behind by kerajaan rakyat bangsa Malazy. You must forgive them.
July 22nd, 2008 at 21: 21.14
The GOONS are just trying to create suspicion among the PR team. Dangling the carrot in front of PAS is their only choice, from the race and religion point of view. Hang on in there the brotherhood team of PR. The GOONS are out of ammo already.
Fence sitting BN MPs, follow the steps taken by Datin Paduka TKY and make the jump over to PR. Do you all think that Datin is mad for jumping after being in MCA for twenty years? No. She realised that she still has CONSCIENCE. She and her loved ones want to be remembered as fair, honest and peaceloving RAKYATS. They do not wish to be cursed even after death. Consult her and join her in the effort to serve the RAKYAT better and with a light heart, knowing that the RAKYAT prays for your well being.
Anyway, the D day is fast approaching. We pray for the ‘ketuanan Malaysia’ to be a reality.
July 22nd, 2008 at 21: 24.57
At the end of the day, it is the race and religion that will count to the Malays, whatever their their political leanings might be.
So when it is crunch time, don’t expect them to stand by you.
July 22nd, 2008 at 21: 33.02
Having persuaded ourselves over some fifty years that ‘nations can be built’, it is perhaps time we take the bull by the horns and admit that millions spent in ‘nation building’ are better spent building public toilets for the convenience of the public.
July 22nd, 2008 at 21: 36.54
So who started it? The so called ‘pact talks’ reveals that UMNO is to be blamed for Malay disunity. And probably trying to put the blame on PAS, since now PAS is with Pakatan. Otherwise, UMNO can unite the Malays on their own, if only they preach honesty !
July 22nd, 2008 at 21: 48.42
dawsheng,
I agree. PR would be better off without PAS being a thorn in the flesh with its unending Islamic rhetoric. And no, I don’t believe a PAS-Umno coalition will take the majority of the Malay votes. Does anybody thinks all Malays want an Islamic state with Syariah laws? So the Malay votes will be split. On the other hand, a PAS-Umno coalition will cause almost the non-Malays to vote PR including those in Sabah and Sarawak. So you guess the outcome.
July 22nd, 2008 at 21: 51.16
“If we truly believe in Almighty, we ought to know he loves justice and all men are created in His image. What the heck is going on?” limkamput
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness”: Genesis 1:26.
More than one God!
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 02.42
One day no talk. Kaboom! Next day 3 talks.
Sad state of affair for Malaysia to have this calibre of PM.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 03.48
if PAS embraces UMNO, AAB will become the saviour of malays.
BN will be run by UMNO nationalism and PAS religionism.
other components will become decoration.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 05.53
“Does anybody thinks all Malays want an Islamic state with Syariah laws?” - KennyGan
The Malays can have an Islamic state with Syariah or Hudud laws if they want, they are the majority. But the question is not about want or don’t want, the question is about whether Islamic state will work for them and be better than now. How long can the Islamic state can sustain? What if Islamic state fails? I thought the Malays are better briefed the condition in the middle east than the non-Malays, no?
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 06.40
[…] by Lim Kit Siang […]
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 09.27
Dear YB Lim,
Abdullah called for the talk not for the Malays and not for the Islam.
Its was for his personal political benefit.
Being a Malay and x umno member, I know for sure, Abdullah Badawi is one of most idiot Malaysia PM.
http://www.kerajaanrakyat.com/
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 10.11
a bat is always a bat, it can never be a bird
regardless he wears the blazer or not,
regardless he speaks the lang or not
regardless he goes barefoot or not
it is deep deep under
some need harder persuasion, some already knew some play stupid some are outright
so start sooul searching,
whatever you turn out to be or pretend to be or feel to be or just wannabe you cannot cheat another even micheal weirdo and his sis are trapped with this denial syndrome episode
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 10.30
then sikembangcina we shall stand together as bro and sister to purge these stupid umnoputras to save this nation, otherwise its a goner. we need more like you.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 10.31
Did any of you people read Malaysiakini today on the news entitled “Umno-PAS rule in S’gor - ‘Anwar ruined it” - says Khir Toyol.
After reading that whole damn article, I was so so angry at UMNO’s mentality. Here we are talking about equality, building a Malaysian Malaysia, unity, racial integration, etc, and there those damn UMNO goons that singing the racial tunes again.
Read this sentence said by Khir Toyol - quoted from the Malaysiakini news : “As long as Anwar is important in Pakatan Rakyat, the muzakarah will not succeed. Anwar does not want to see Malays unite and that is why he formed Pakatan that thrives on the ideals of equality to the extent of elevating other religions on the same par as the primary religion in this country, Islam,” he added.
Uncle Lim, why are WE, the non-Malays Malaysians are veing treated as a second class citizen?? Aren’t we all Malaysians, born in this country, working in this country, contributing to the economic development in this country, paying tax to the government in this country???
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 12.51
when “unity” is mentioned, it’s “unity” of UMNO and so called Bumiputras.
That’s UMNO’s definition and a lot of Malays do not see it this way now. They are actually much more unified in rejecting UMNO.
UMNO is playing a mind game now in cracking the PR.
PR should be very very careful because it is a very concerted effort.
In Penang :- Trying to spread rumors and degrade the current admin.
In Selangor :- Toyol and Mike Tyson also trying to make plenty of issues.
In Perak :- Tajol trying to break the PR
On PKR :- Anwar issues , Firdaus , Ezam etc.
On DAP :- various issues , extremist etc
On PAS :- Muzakarah issue and Islam state
BE VERY CAREFUL. AAB might be a fool but a cunning one. SIL etc is trying hard to destroy the cohesiveness of PR.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 18.41
I may be wrong, but I still think that those who voted for BN in the last GE12 MADE A VERY VERY GRAVE BIG MISTAKE!!! You voted for them to stay in power, this is what you get in return!! A country full of mess and a laughing stock of other countries!!!
On record, I am a Malaysian Chinese and because my area have no DAP, I voted for PKR (Parliament) and PAS (State). You see, I voted for PAS, and I NEVER regret it till now. Until and unless they decide to join UMNO one day, then I will know what bunch of people & their mentality they have in their party!!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 19.23
If ever the 2 parties wanted to talk, they should be looking at the national issues to bring the country to the next level of development in every aspects. There are so many unresolved issues facing the nations, yet the 2 of them are still talking the jurrassic-aged issues of race and religion, the ketuanan melayu and the islamic religion.
If they want to look backward and move backward in tandem, so be it, that is their choice and people shall be the judge comes the next general election. 4 years will pass very fast. The bashing will ensue soon.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 21.15
“But the question is not about want or don’t want, the question is about whether Islamic state will work for them and be better than now” -dawsheng
The issue is not whether an Islamic state can work or not but whether it can be created in the first place with a PAS-Umno alliance. If it cannot be created, whether it can work or not is moot.
And I repeat, a PAS-Umno alliance will fail to create an Islamic state because not all Malays want an Islamic state. With the Malay votes split, non-Malays will be the kingmakers. With an Islamic state on the way, I guarantee practically all non-Malays will vote PR giving a huge victory to PR.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 25.27
I think PAS and UMNO has a chance to create an Islamic state but PAS and UMNO alliance will create a fail Islamic state.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 27.24
Khir Toyol’s statements would end up encouraging all other races to vote against his Umno. Clearly, they have only their own interests in mind. He should come out with more statements like this. It does wonders for Pakatan.
Also, I doubt that our Malay friends will buy this sort of crap from Khir either. They are not going to vote for this sort of so-called Malay unity when the Barang Naik thieves have been grabbing all the riches for themselves. It’s not as if they don’t know what the joker’s wife had been doing with all that charity money.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 29.48
It is real classic case of misappropriation and abuse of fund by the Terenggu state government in purchasing 14 C200 Kompressors brand new Mercedes Benz for their EXCO and SS, SFO & SLA to the tune of RM3.43 million and the MB has the cheek to justify with lunatic justification through condemnation of Proton Perdana, a national car.
Not the MB Terengganu & his EXCO do not support national projects, they had seriously condemned the car project and run for the luxury in Mercedes.
Who does not know Mercedes Benz is a good car and superb luxury to own and use?
How is he and his exco members going to tell his electorates to tighten their belts, to change their lifestyles in the onslaught of inflation and price hikes of all consumables and goods whilst they immersed themselves in the extravagence and luxuries??
What kind of ‘caring’ and ’sensitive’ government is that under BN in general and UMNO in particular?
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 30.32
At a time like this , my thoughts go back to our first PM , the beloved Tungku Abdul Rahman .How fortunate we were to have known such a man .He had a big heart that could sincerely embrace all of us , Malays ,Chinese , Indians and others . He never had to shout that he was PM for all Malaysians . We just knew he cared for all . He was a natural leader because he had his perspectives right . He was not power crazy . He did not seek to enrich himself . He was in fact against the Government getting involved in business . He had advised that Science and Mathematics should continue to be taught in English when the medium of instruction in schools was changed to Malay . He had great wisdom which was not appreciated .
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 38.14
To me, this sort of news about Umno-Pas meetings does not change anything. If you had to vote between Umno and Pas, it’s still better to give it to Pas. At the very least the vote is not in Umno’s hands.
Whether Pas really wants to join up with Umno is not something we can control, but everyone has to remember: if you had directly voted for Umno during the PRU12 and given them enough votes, do you think Umno is going to BEG to work with Pas now?
Hello! Everyone knows that these jokers only ever think about joining with Pas whenever they have been defeated heavily in an election. That’s how “sincere” they are.
Under AAB, the country has seen a record number of corpse-snatching cases, and AAB has chosen to close both eyes on such incidents. To people who tend to be afraid of an Islamic state, they should fear AAB and his party more.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 42.33
sikembangcina,
I want to think that I am not a racist. I just want to talk frank and open. What I posted earlier was more of disillusionment rather than racism. After 50 years, if you want my sincere and frank opinion, I must say that most Malays today still think they have more rights than others in this country. Most Malays think privileges accorded in the constitution is their perpetual right to be enjoyed. Most Malays think that other races are mere guests in this country and therefore ought to pay “ rent” if they choose to remain here. Most Malays also have very little tolerance for other religions and their cultural heritage. Due to their own insecurity, they see ghosts behind every pillar and the tendency to dominate and “hegemonise” is everywhere. I see this as the curse of nation.
Why most of the Malays are like what I described? Well, the state apparatuses are organised this way. Feudalism and indoctrination are overwhelming among the Malay community since independence. If truly liberal Malays can’t stand it, do you think the non Malays can breathe in this kind of environment?
For the non Malays, I think they just want to be part of Malaysia, not a Chinese Malaysia, or an Indian Malaysia. I believe most non Malays are ever willing to work, contribute and sacrifice for the greatness of this nation if they are treated fairly and given the opportunity. I think most non Malays want to see prosperity for all, including the Malays. There is really no other alternative. But all must work and all must contribute. Those who don’t work, don’t eat. As I said earlier, I don’t think most Malays appreciate this kind of arguments anymore. This frighten me a lot. For the first time I am beginning to feel that the prospect of Malaysia gravitating toward Zimbabwe way is rather real. Please, if Malaysia was ever great thus far, it was because we were lucky, never we were good. Don’t forget that.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 47.29
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness”: Genesis 1:26.
More than one God! undergrad2
You asking me? Not too sure, may be even then God has already thought of God “the Father”, “the Son” and “the Holy Spirit”, hence in plural. What do you think? You never asked questions that you don’t know the answers.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 47.52
What, Khir Toyo now blames Anwar for derailing Malay Unity?
Who is the most corrupted Toyo? This scumbag is a second generation Indo from Sulawesi!
He ain’t a Malay!
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 54.29
Dear YB Lim,
UMNo & PAS talks evolved from DSAI case.
It is no longer willingly or not. It is a matter of whether that happen, 8 times as claimed.
To most of us, we pray to our GOD, is a matter of up to which level of sincerity.
According to Saiful’s father recently , his son is willing to swear to his GOD, this is very very serious.
Human court can punish wrongly but not our GOD. He who swear to his GOD has to take the consequences . No jokes.
DSAI action to bring the case to Islamic court is seriously a wrong move, which demanded 4 saksi. Anyone knows that is not possible in this kind of issue. It is just looking for LAW Loop Holes to escape.
PAS and UMNO talks , apparently on Malay unity talks, PAS’s move is more on better Alliance and protection of PAS integrity and image.
Recently, lots of friends and contacts who are strong supporters to PR started to suspect and question on their support to PR and PKR . Support for DAP & PAS have no question at all.
This matter really needs attention .
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 56.31
Enough is enough. Why are these leaders always talking about race, male and female segregation, temples, mosques, churches, sodomy or what not. What’s next? This is totally outrageous!! The world have far more important things to handle, for a start our economy - FDI are gradually and in fact, of late, even more aggresively moving out of the country to other countries, stock market plunged like nobody’s business, consumer confidence is at an all-time low, inflation is causing everyone to resort to working two jobs and not to mention the bad image Malaysia is giving to the rest of the world. I’m so disgraced with our leaders. Why can’t they concentrate on administering and developing our country rather than taking part in this circus which is not at all entertaining. Malaysians deserved the right to be heard and have their concerns resolved by the leaders.
July 22nd, 2008 at 22: 56.59
I don’t know what all the fuss is about on the PAS-UMNO talks. I am glad and am encouraged by such talks and hope that there will be more! All the jealousy, accusations and general ignorance are uncalled for.
Yes we should strive to be Malaysians but at the same time we want to maintain our distinctiveness right? Similar as the Chinese religiously defend their Chinese schools and language, the Malays also have their religion and their constitutional right to defend. If the Chinese (and Indians) can defend their rights, why not the Malays?
To me, as long as the discussions do not negatively impact the minorities and is for the benefit of Malaysia as a whole, I don’t see anything wrong. Kudos to AAB and Hadi!
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 01.14
Dr M is making serious statements about Bodowi and the Govt’s money wasting projects on his site… check it out!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 08.20
Yes we should strive to be Malaysians but at the same time we want to maintain our distinctiveness right? Similar as the Chinese religiously defend their Chinese schools and language, the Malays also have their religion and their constitutional right to defend. If the Chinese (and Indians) can defend their rights, why not the Malays? — imranj78
No one is oppressing the Malays. No one is tearing down Malay schools nor mosques. You don’t defend when no one is even attacking.
But when people are tearing down Chinese schools and Indian temples here there and everywhere, that’s when you need to defend your rights.
It’s all a political ploy by AAB (who purposely revealed the news of the secret meetings) to gain sympathy from Malays.
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 14.58
“You never asked questions that you don’t know the answers.” limkamput
Have you seriously considered a change in profession? You’d make a good litigation lawyer.
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 15.08
today’s paper said famous former Selangor MB Muhammad Tahi, who is now a minister in PM office gunning for UMNO post again. Aren’t he was charged for having not declared 12 million cash in a briefcase going into Australia? Where those money come from? No ACA report kah? hahaha….give him some headache, since he always doing all the dirty things behind lately.
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 20.34
As a non-Malays, non-Moslem Malaysian (NMNMM), I feel violated with what the BN politicians are saying when they talk about how the Malays are backwards and still far behind other races. I resent the fact that these Malay BN politicians count us NMNMMs when talking about the poorness of the Malays and conveniently discount us when disbursing aid and grants or even government positions. I wish someone would point this out in Parliament. Point out to the BN government that when they produce statistics about poor Malays to not include us NMNMMs. One good thing Dr. M did was to sub-categorise us into Sarawak & Sabah Bumiputera Minorities (SSBM). However, as I mature in my political thinking, categorising us into sub-category just makes it worse. I’ve opened my eyes to the light of multi-culturalism and the realisation of that to achieve a fair and meaningful development, no group should go at it alone, but together in unity. But please, BN… stop using us as statistics to show Malay supremacy needs to be extended. We’re not statistics or numbers, we’re Malaysians too.
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 26.12
And the usual suspects? MCA, MIC, Gerakan, PPP? No reaction, they are not even consulted. If need be, evicted. Thank you for a job well done!
This is what Badawi thinks might turn the flow, getting all but Penang back into UMNO-hands, and he himself as a statue of Bapa Hadhari into the history books.
Not only that, he will as well enter history as the great unifier of the Malays.
Go ahead, try your luck. Dream on, because it won’t work. And we will all suffer heavy casualties, with the Malays suffering most.
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 29.10
And when will the Malays accept the fact that Malaysia was born out of the unity of all races and not only the Malays? Isn’t it time to recognise the Chinese and the Indians as Malaysians and not non-Bumiputeras? I think, after 45 years of Malaysia, we should do a paradigm shift and refocus our attention to building a Malaysia for Malaysians, rather than a Malaysia for Malays. If it were not for the Chinese and Indians, and to a lesser extent the Dayaks and Kadazandusuns, Malaysia won’t be what it is today. as a NMNMM, I am a rightful owner of Malaysia, at the same level as the Malays of Peninsular and if they want to shout Malay supremacy or Malay unity, I think I should have the same right also to shout Dayak unity. Don’t forget, Dayaks were already in Malaysia ages before Malays ever thought of migrating to Malaysia. Who has more rights to be called Bumiputera? Food for thought, I say…
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 31.03
Greetings! YB
What is the meaning to talk about the “Unity” when we had so many unsolved puzzles or jokes happening here in Malaysia.
1.. C4… C4… I Love U
2.. Sound like me, Looks like me…but it’s not me
3.. Bala.. Bala… where are you
4.. Musa… Musa… musang atau rusa
ETC…
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 37.11
“I believe most non Malays are ever willing to work, contribute and sacrifice for the greatness of this nation if they are treated fairly and given the opportunity.” Limkamput
To put it in another way, you’re saying the Chinese are not willing to work, contribute “and sacrifice for the greatness of this nation” (whatever that may mean) “if they are not treated fairly”. I fail to see the nexus between the two!
What I do know is that the Chinese more than anything else wish to be left alone to do their business. It is all about business and more business. Should some develop political interests along the way, it is to protect their right to do business and more business.
The Malays have no business interfering in their business.
July 22nd, 2008 at 23: 49.18
Have you seriously considered a change in profession? You’d make a good litigation lawyer. undergrad2
No i have not. I am retired and was perfectly happy with my profession.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 10.47
undergrad2,
please don’t try to split hair here.
First, I agree that Chinese are generally inclined to doing business. I must say, even in business, the Chinese are subjected to unnecessary red tape, corruption and unreasonable and often conflicting regulations and licensing requirements.
Second, Chinese pre-occupation with business is also due to other opportunities not being available to them. I have often thought that civil service is one of the most important pillars of national development. Have more Chinese be given the opportunities to serve in meaningful positions (not tokenism) in the civil service, I believe this country will be much more efficient and dynamic.
Third, you just have to look at Singapore and Hong Kong. How the Chinese with Confucian value plus English education and civil law and liberty can create wonder.
Fourth, more Chinese involvement in Government, both at political and civil service levels will enhance multiracialism, cultural diversities and religious tolerance and hence promoting a national ethos that is more cosmopolitan and liberal.
I believe you know what is killing this nation? Like you, I usually do not ask questions that I do not already know the answers.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 11.13
Richardqed wrote:
`No one is oppressing the Malays. No one is tearing down Malay schools nor mosques. You don’t defend when no one is even attacking.
But when people are tearing down Chinese schools and Indian temples here there and everywhere, that’s when you need to defend your rights’
Malay and Muslim’s rights are being questioned when Syariah courts are being questioned, when Bumiputera status is being questioned etc etc so I disagree with when you say no one is attacking.
I agree that Chinese schools and Indian temples built in legally allocated land should be left alone. Remember suraus and mosques have also been torn down because of their `illegal’ status. I also believe that national schools should be given priority and that mother tongue language should be more widely taught in national schools to give people more choices. If we all go to different schools, how are we supposed to integrate as Malaysians?
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 11.16
Oh, what a night! Take a break!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liyiT_DGREA
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 29.58
imranj78,
May I know who is questioning the decisions of Syariah courts other than those that infringe on non-Muslim?
With regard to Bumi Status, the questions are usually related to the implementation of Bumi rights, not the rights per se. Besides, do you want to tell us what does the Bumi status entail? Please, we need to know. If Bumi status means deprivation of non Malays, what do you expect us to do? I think every one should earn his/her own upkeep. Nobody own no one a living. This is 21st century.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 30.57
“Like you, I usually do not ask questions that I do not already know the answers.” limkamput
No. I always ask questions to which I do not know the answers! Why ask if you already know the answer??!
I only ask questions to a witness on the stand to which I already know the answer when I’m cross examining him or her. It is important that counsel knows where he or she is taking the witness to with the questioning - or else he or she may end up going to places he or she does not want to go! How embarrassing!
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 32.16
Dear Malaysians,
Is the UMNO-PAS Malay unity talk just to strengten the Ketuanan Melayu sentiments or to unite Malaysians of all races and religion. Since all UMNO and PAS members are Mulsims and all Malays are Muslims, can we expect the UMNO-PAS Malay unity talk to include the peace for all races in Malaysia.
Nevertheless,UMNO and PAS have fundamental differences in accordance to their Islaic beliefs. Let’s read the folowing excerp from Wkipedia:
The Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party or the Islamic Party of Malaysia (Malay: Parti Islam Se-Malaysia), commonly known as PAS or Pas, is an Islamist political party in Malaysia and is currently headed by Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang. PAS positions itself as a political party that aims to establish Malaysia as a country based on Islamic legal theory derived from the primary sources of Islam, the Quran, Sunnah as well as Hadiths, as opposed to Barisan Nasional’s Islam Hadhari, which PAS sees as based on a watered-down understanding of Islam.
Can they meet eye to eye and discuss?
God bless.
Anba
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 38.12
“Have more Chinese be given the opportunities to serve in meaningful positions (not tokenism) in the civil service, I believe this country will be much more efficient and dynamic.” Limkamput
You’re saying that Malays are lazy and inefficient because they are Malays. Sir, that makes you a racist.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 45.01
limkamput,
Come on, there has been so many calls for Syariah courts to be disregarded as a parallel system to the civil courts and make it a `lesser’ court. While I agree that rights of non-Muslims should not be infringed upon, it is also important that the rights of the Muslim MAJORITY is upheld.
I am not supportive of uncompetitive Bumi rights in the long term. But like it or not, this will have to stay for awhile longer till we have a more equitable wealth distribution in the country. Its implementation needs to be fine tuned to include people of other races who need such help and also remove any corrupt practices.
Everyone has to earn his/her own upkeep - yes everyone should work hard for his/her own upkeep but those who are at a disadvantaged at the start should be assisted.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 51.42
Undergrad2,
NO, you are putting words into my mouth again, which is not unusual.
What I have in mind is we must leverage on the expertise and capability of all races in the country, more so some communities have proven to be more dynamic, efficient and experienced. That is why I feel that there should be more Chinese given important positions in civil service to help propel this nation forward. If all races are encouraged to work together more, surely the opportunity to learn from the strength of each other is greater. If you just want to pick one or two lines out of context and label me a racist, then we better stop debating. It is hurtful to me when I know right in my heart I am not a racist.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 00: 57.39
MAJORITY rights need no protection. Usually it is minority rights that need protection. Check out India - the right of Hindu vis-a-vis Muslims. The rest of your arguments I can go along.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 01: 24.24
“It is hurtful to me when I know right in my heart I am not a racist.” limkamput
Show me someone who admits to being a racist and I’ll show you a Klu Klax Klan member who says he is not a racist!
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 01: 25.51
Hei kawan2 semua… relax! bertenang! Nik Aziz has made the best stance on this issue. That “holy” man (!) rejected the PAS-UMNO talks whatsoever. he wanted to work closer with all friends in Pakatan Rakyat. Is that ok with you?
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 01: 26.11
ooops that should be spelt Klux
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 01: 51.05
Racism is embedded in our psyche more than anyone is willing to admit.
Many of the decisions we make in our daily lives are rooted in racism and our need for a racial identity. We are not even conscious of it. So perhaps you should not be in such a hurry to rebut allegations of racism.
Instead of saying we should tap on the best talent the country has to offer, you opted to say that the government service would be better off if more Chinese are employed because then government service would be “more efficient and dynamic” - efficient as in being industrious, opposite to being lazy and indolent.
That is clearly a racist statement!
There are lazy Chinese as there are lazy Malays or Indians. Laziness is not the monopoly of any one race.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 02: 18.34
limkamput says,
“I am not supportive of uncompetitive Bumi rights in the long term. But like it or not, this will have to stay for awhile longer till we have a more equitable wealth distribution in the country.”
Haah! Now you’re an apologist for the UMNO sponsored NEP!
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 02: 27.14
undergrad2, you are a best of both world hypocrite which you will never admit.
YA, THE best the country has to offer, i am sure is not white or black or latino, it is the races here in Malaysia. What is why i like to call all the good for nothing political correct people hypocrites. You are the epitome of that. The NEP itself is the admission that the Chinese are more dynamic and business like. If you can’t see it, you are moron who is also a hypocrite - a hypocrite moron, hmmm, can’t imagine what you will do!
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 02: 54.44
The DAP should ask its “partner” within Pakatan Rakyat (PAS) why the pre-eminent issue is still that of Malay unity rather than Malaysian unity before it asks the Prime Minister of the rival political camp this question!
When one’s ‘wife’ were enticed by a third party previous suitor/lover, does one question or blame the third party first before one’s own wife with whom one has exchanged ‘marital vows’ of betrayal and unfaithfulness?
Or shouldn’t one blame one ownself for entering (despite counsel to the contrary) into a “marriage of convenience” more out of the pleasure to spite and spurn that previous suitor/lover on March 8th than a genuine trust of and compatibility with one’s own partner??
That really is the crux of the question.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 03: 30.50
Instead of counting on sufficient defections from the Barisan Nasional camp for Pakatan Rakyat (PR) to engineer a vote of no confidence on Pak Lah and form the Federal Government the prospect has now arisen whether Pak lah could engineer sufficient defections from the PR camp (from Hadi of PAS) to regain the BN’s threshold of parliamentary 2/3 majority. Anwar started this game of enticing cross overs from the other side. What can be said if the other side now plays the same game? What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander….
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 03: 53.52
Those voters who voted for PAS thinking that they have moved from a radical position to a centrist position will be disappointed. Those who voted for UMNO thinking that UMNO actually cares for all races (as per AAB’s “I am a PM for all races”) will also be disappointed. Will the two opposing forces cancel each other out and maintain the status quo at the next GE?
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 04: 31.50
the everyday malays, those who are blue collar, white collar, and no collar (kampungs), are between a rock and a hard place. accept racial equality and they’ll get dropped with a thud by the merits of chinese and indians. reject umno and there goes the gravy train.
i’m sure some malays know the predicament they’re in, but they’re taking what they can and leave the future, or lack of, to the next generation.
the racial riots that gripped indonesia a few years ago were due to a tipping over of 90% concentration of wealth in the 5% chinese hands. but without the chinese what would indonesia be? so the question beckons, without the chinese and indians what would malaysia be today?
malaysia is going the path of oblivion. a country competes best by producing goods and services. if one is lacking, maximize the other (case in point singapore, hk, korea, tw, etc). natural resources are temporary at best, and one should parlay that into capital to fund the production of, guess what, goods and services! malaysia can’t compete on cost of goods produced. that has long gone to china. the service industry is its best bet, but look where we are on the competitiveness ladder. as a country, our skillsets are mired as an afterthought to global employers. didn’t we wanted to be the hub for financial, travel, entertainment, technological, and creative services? what the hell happened to that?
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 05: 17.03
Barisan Nasional has always won and maintained political power on communal approach based on praxis and double talk of “Malay Unity”, “Chinese Unity” and “Indian Unity” within the larger “Malaysian Unity” when the fact to it is that the objectives of “Malay Unity”, “Chinese Unity” and “Indian Unity” are inconsistent and diametrically opposed to that of Malaysian Unity.
To maintain otherwise is a pretext so shallow that it imposes even on the naive. This communal approach has been a scourge on our national life that is destined to accelerate our descent to the ranks of Nigeria and Somalia…It is an approach that is supposedly rejected by significant portion of Malaysians embrace the supposedly more inclusive agenda of the Pakatan Rakyat (PR) to give them a resounding victory by the much touted ‘political tsunamy’ of 8th March election but lo what do we see here??? A component of PR – Pas or a significant splinter of it – is having talks of “Malay Unity” with UMNO – the very approach that PR is supposedly opposed against .
Now if UMNO talks of “Malay Unity”, that is well known and discounted – but PAS?
What more is there to say further when DAP’s collaboration with PAS knowing fully well the dangers of PAS using PR for its own exclusive agenda for power to further its theocratic aims has already been gainsaid long ago?
The fact is that you cannot trust the majority of politicians, whichever side of the political divide. They will promise a bridge even where there is no river to get that which is the raison de etre of the profession – power, public position, influence and wealth at the rakyat’s expense.
This is why people who are serious about their integrity and principles – whether one agrees with their principles or not – shun politics and do not join political party : one example, RPK.
When Kit talks about politics being a serious business based on intregrity, he is merely talking about an aspiration which only the smallest minority like himself or even Nik Aziz can live up to.
The rest are mere philistines interested in personal prestige of positions and wealth, luxury cars, mansions, good education for their children and expensive jewelley for their wives…And they get to win and keep their positions because somehow and somewhere a bunch of suckers will buy their story and vote them in.
The real enemy is not the politicians, philistines as they may be. It is our mindset. We vote them in and let them be. It is our mindset to think based not on logic but on emotions aroused by appeals to our primodial and basic passions regarding race, religion and of late even sex (as our politics gets more sexualised by allegations of sodomy, an MP giving the hand sign etc). If we were not like that, the bunch of politicians will not be here to keep their positions; they will have long ago been booted out.
The purpose of blog is for us to share thoughts and change this mind set. That is why we must maintain a rational discourse here or else where in other blogs or forums having an influence on public opinion. This mindset is the ultimate primary problem, not the secondary politicians. Democracy grows from bottom upwards and not top down.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 05: 36.06
Isn’t it sad that a ruling party that champion multi-racial unity instigate race and religion disturbance every time they are challenge. It is even worst that all our MSM are part of the propanganda as well. So, do you still believe in BN. If you do you must really be clueless or you are racist just like UMNO.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 06: 22.03
Why is it that protecting a majority group is more important than the minority groups who are the weakest and need extra protection. The minority groups doesn’t feel safe. Who can help them?
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 06: 43.51
“The real enemy is not the politicians… It is our mindset.” Jeffrey
Correct, correct, correct!
The real enemy is limkamput who doesn’t know whether he’s going or he’s coming. One minute he says he’s no racist and that it pains him when others accuse of him of being a racist. Then the next minute he lambasted the Malays for being an indolent lot, unsuitable recruits for the country’s civil service which would be more “efficient” and “dynamic” if it opens its doors to the Chinese. One minute he says we are ready for change. The next minute he says he would like to see the NEP continued until there is a “more equitable distribution of wealth”! He not only endorses the UMNO sponsored NEP but he is an apologist for the racist policies of the UMNO led government.
The likes of limkamput is public enemy #1, a danger to himself and must be eliminated with extreme prejudice.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 06: 51.56
“Democracy grows from bottom upwards and not top down.” Jeffrey
Saiful would understand why it works best when it is from the bottom up rather then top down.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 07: 06.21
Dear YB LKS,
UMNO-PAS “Malay Unity” talks
Quote: “The Federal Government spent RM100 million for the 50th Merdeka anniversary celebrations last year. For what?” unquote.
Very well said & it shows “Desperation” in its last throes of “Death”.
I am of the same opinion with you. Do keep up the good effort as we are all in this “sinking Titanic” together.
Where are ALL you God fearing, Law abiding, Tax paying, Peace loving Malaysians…..
Have no fear….if God brought us there….have Faith & He will surely guide us out of there !
Ultimately God will anoint the “True” Leaders of this great nation, not necessary from any party….
In the mid 40s after the 2nd World War & japanese administration…..the Colonials administered Malaya with their “Divide & Rule !”….
Our Forefathers & the “Malayan Independence” groups also had their Trials & Tribulations….& had to be UNITED in their struggles to achieve “ONE GOAL”……
“ONE GOAL” - The Independence of Malaya from the British Colonial administration - Merdeka.
Tunku our Bapa Merdeka together with his first cabinet were established, honest, sincere “Noble” individuals of multi-race & multi religion who had worked & struggled to give Malaya, later Malaysia including all of us “Democracy, Justice & Freedom”….until Tunku was “Betrayed” by the Elite Nationalist Ketetuanan group (maybe some are still alive !)
Sadly, the the Powers-that-be (Elite Nationalist Ketetuanan group have “Divided us yet again & Ruled” !) have screwed this great nation, its assets & all of us for almost three decades….
We are now at the CROSSROADS….and YOU have a CHOICE…..Do we all want to allow the Powers-that-be continue to destroy this great nation, our nation’s assets including our Children & Grandchildrens’ Future…..OR…
We UNITE & FOCUS on the main issue TOGETHER to support our “Defenders of TRUTH, JUSTICE & FREEDOM…
For the BETTERMENT of our great nation, its assets, its Downtrodden rayaat & our Children & Grandchildrens’ Future !
Yes, I have a dream….that soon we will Overcome…to See….!
Malaysia for Malaysians…where EVERY Malaysian citizen can dream about, be given a chance to work hard towards it….to ACHIEVE their “Malaysian Dreams!” Insha Allah.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 07: 12.09
“The NEP itself is the admission that the Chinese are more dynamic and business like. If you can’t see it, you are moron” lmkamput
If the NEP is admission of anything, it is an acknowledgment that it is a major tool in the tool bag of UMNOputras and their leaders without which they cannot re-distribute the country’s wealth among themselves, their cronies and their families in the ratio of one for you three for me.
Morons not included.
July 23rd, 2008 (5 weeks ago) at 07: 18.01
kosong Says:
Yesterday at 18: 16.40
I pity all you poor Chinese and Indians who are stuck in Malaysia. You have all dug a hole for yourselves due to your apathy and inaction over the Malay hegemony Subject to the prejudice and discrimination for decades and only belatedly speaking up when the house of cards have started tumbling down. It’s too late. You have a failing economy, a nation which is unable to compete and you are forever governed by fools. Your ringgit has no value and your education system have gone backwards over the last two decades, no thanks to your Malay brothers. The current generation is slack and lazy and they feed off the wasteful baby boomers who will leave nothing for the future generations. The hardwork of the Chinese and Indian forefathers/migrants have all gone to waste as no-one dared to stand up against the apartheid government and their discriminatory policies. It’s all too late. You have the money then save yourselves by sending the Chinese and Indian children abroad. Save them from these bumis who feast only greed but do not toil
Kosong, most of us non-malays that decided to remain here in Malaysia have our own reasons. Yes, many Chinese and Indians are migrating or sending their children overseas so that they would have a better life here (who wouldn’t?!).
But to me, I chose to come back to Malaysia as I see myself as a Malaysian, not as a Malaysian Chinese but just plain and simple, Malaysian. That means I want to do something for my country, but that does not mean that I totally agree to be treated like a third class citizen and face all the racism that the BN has created.
We are here to make this country a better place for the future generations and I am proud to say that I am a Malaysian.
By the way, the whole world economy is also in the limbo (if you have not notice) not just Malaysia. Laziness is not form in one race - it can be found in all races all over the world.
It is time for people like you to stop talking about the disunity and start taking action on how to unite all races of Malaysians. Start standardizing the policies and laws (especially those in Sabah and Sarawak) to be aligned with the Peninsular side.
Start s