Altantuya/Najib link - PI Balasubramaniam SD1 vs SD2
Private investigator P. Balasubramaniam created shock waves yesterday when he made public his statutory declaration (SD) linking Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak with the murdered Mongolian national Altantuya Shaariibuu, with several astounding assertions about the relationship conveyed to him by both Altantuya and Abdul Razak Baginda.
Today, Balasubramaniam created a second round of shock waves when within 24 hours he retracted his statutory declaration with a second statutory declaration, claiming that he was forced to make his earlier declaration under duress.
The initial public reaction to Balasubramaniam’s second SD is one of shock and disgust, with some dismissing and condemning the episode as a “Plague on both houses”!
Serious-minded Malaysians however cannot have the luxury of ignoring the SD acrobatics of Balasubramaniam as at stake are very grave issues about the integrity of the system of justice and good governance, the reputation of powerful office-holders and ordinary people(both dead and living).
As the initial feelings of shock and disgust settle down, it emerges that Subramaniam has done the impossible – making more Malaysians believe in his first SD by his second SD of retraction.
When Subramaniam made his first SD yesterday linking the Deputy Prime Minister with Altantuya, Malaysians were divided between those who believed his SD and those who did not.
With his second SD of retraction, without explaining what was the “duress” which coerced him to make shocking disclosures linking Najib with Altantunya, Subramaniam has succeeded in making even those who had doubted his first SD to come around to believe it – while achieving very little effect in creating doubt among those who had believed his first SD.
Balasubramaniam’s lawyer for his first SD, Americk Singh Sidhu, told Malaysiakini that Balasubramaniam received a phone call from the police soon after his press conference yesterday to report to the Brickfields police station.
“I advised him that as a law-abiding citizen, he should go and see them. So I fetched him to the Brickfields police station at 4.45pm yesterday and I haven’t heard from him since,” he said stressing that he has failed to contact Balasubramaniam since this news broke out.
The Police owes to the Malaysian public a full explanation as to what transpired in the meeting between the police and Balasubramaniam at the Brickfields police station yesterday evening and after, resulting in his bizarre second SD.
The whole Balasubramaniam SD1 and SD2 episode does no credit not only to the private investigator but also to the system of justice and law and order in Malaysia and can only plunge national and international confidence in the integrity, credibility and legitimacy of the Abdullah administration to a new nadir.
July 4th, 2008 at 16: 42.57
It does not matter whether we Malaysians believe Bala or not. The end result has been achieved, which is to neutralize his credibility as a witness.
July 4th, 2008 at 16: 43.04
Malaysia Boleh… Can i say like this because due to this kinda SAGA the whole economy like in a deep shit please someone no more SD it leading to no where. What we need is just a place we called home and where we stay , work and live together no more such thing as malay malaysian, chinese malaysian and etc we are still and will be a Malaysian whether you like it or not…can anyone just stop this kinda of bullshit we need peace not WAR
July 4th, 2008 at 16: 51.29
its strange that pkr intelligence would leave Bala on his own after the Press Conference.
Americk Singh Sidhu, told Malaysiakini
“I advised him that as a law-abiding citizen, he should go and see them. So I fetched him to the Brickfields police station at 4.45pm yesterday and I haven’t heard from him since,” he said stressing that he has failed to contact Balasubramaniam since this news broke out.
Come on guys… you are dealing with crooks and murderers here… should you guys at least keep an eye on Bala after all thats happened instead of just dropping him off somewhere.
July 4th, 2008 at 16: 51.39
‘The Police owes to the Malaysian public a full explanation …’ - Kit Siang must be joking. The police here are a law unto themselves, they do not give a damn what civil society think of them, they are just the henchmen of the powers that be.
SD1 vs SD 2 - it matters not really which is true. The end result is still the same -that ’senior politician’ will be let off the hook.
The family of the late Altantuya can only hope that justice will indeed be dispensed by a higher authority than man at the day of judgement.
July 4th, 2008 at 16: 53.20
What is going on, Uncle Lim? Wouldn’t Americk Sidhu have already known why Balasubramaniam had retracted initial SD!!! 7 minutes to the Press Conference…
July 4th, 2008 at 16: 56.06
its obvious that the polis had threathen him or his family. the igb and najis are deeply in this episode. their lives or his. how else does one explain the withdrawal.
July 4th, 2008 at 16: 56.09
Hmmm! Very fishy but knowing Malaysian’s Justice I had to be very cynical!
Still want Justice for Altantuya!
Let’s send the murderers of Altantuya to Hell!!!!!
July 4th, 2008 at 16: 59.27
the lawyer should have followed Bala in the 1st place. Duress? how can Anwar or others duress him for the 1st SD? He looked relax. 2nd on he seems very tense looking at the photo. who can cause you fear and duress? Maybe the police have a file on him?
who do you trust? YB who don’t you have a poll on who we trust..Anwar or the govt? for me I do not trust the govt agencies right now be it the judiciary, AG office, police and BN. They BN are ruining the country and only looking after themselves and their family.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 00.57
Common sense dictate that there must be some truth in his SD1. No sane person would implicate the DPM in any country unless you want to commit sucide. And it is common sense to assume that either your life is under threat or you have been financially enticed to withdraw the SD1. The whole episode is so poorly directed that it is obviously a case sheer desperation by the person named in SD1.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 02.53
I was at first skeptical at Balasubramaniam’s SD especially on some of the parts concerning Najib. They sounded quite far fetch that Baginda would confide with his PI about a VVIP’s personal sex life and preference.
But this retraction of Bala’s SD removed every doubt in my mind. The police application of severe pressure is very real and very obvious. Imagine after making a big declaration and withdrawing it before 24 hours have expired really showed something happened to Bala when he was alone in the police station.
If the contents were not true, they would not have bothered to apply such intense pressure in such an obvious manner. This withdrawal is more to the advantage of Anwar than to Najib whose reputation was not only irreparably damaged but he is seen as a dictator pushing his whole weight to bear on the ordinary citizens!
It now opens up the eyes of the citizens and make them more aware of the character and capability of the Prime Minister-in-waiting. This is a glimpse of what the future holds for Malaysians - another Mahathir or Mugabe ruling us.
I think there are many people like me - skeptical at first but thereafter convinced that it is true after this twist in event.
Not only am I convinced but angry! Angry at the Prime Minister-in-waiting, the police, the AG, the whole corrupt-to-the-core system that is with the present BN Government!
Now many people will be afraid to have such a guy to be our prime minister. If he do become one soon, the next election will see the total rejection of UMNO not only by non-malays but malays also!
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 03.10
yup the lawyer should have accompanied him at the police station. why leave him alone with the polis? he is just a sitting duck. obviously his lawyer is not that smart.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 03.43
well, the only option for the rakyat - throw bn out asap.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 03.45
Like i said want prove to see who is right or who is wrong…there are CCTV in all hotels …. INTERPOL HOLDS THE KEY…
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 03.50
“The next evidence will come in the next few days. Just be patient. This is not the end. I just want to test the nerve and commitment of the Prime Minister,” said PKR de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/7/4/nation/21738312&sec=nation
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 04.13
After his first “SD”, Malaysians were still not sure but after his second “SD” (especially after being called in by the Police), Malaysians now know that his initial allegations are TRUE!
Looks like they told him…retract or we will “C4″ you & your family!
I don’t blame the guy, he had no choice!
Malaysia boleh!
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 04.26
What sort of b u l l s h i t is going on in this country? jungle law precedes everything , SD1 can become SD2 , SD3 and so forth, and , i think the monkeys in the jungle are definately superior to the lawmen in Malaysia, well done we are now the laughing stock of the world, this time i won’t blame the british if they say that we still live on trees.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 05.13
Next police report againts ANWAR will also be withdrawn… I rest my case…
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 05.47
What else? It is intimidation by the police. Umno common tactic. Using police to charge Oppositions, using ACA to frighten business-rivals.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 06.48
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July 4th, 2008 at 17: 06.49
I agree that our Govt is corrupt and good at covering up; but I hope that PKR does not stoop down to their level with petty games of their own. You have to admit it, its getting too be a little childish on either side. Go for a By-Election and trust that the educated public needs no silly stories to help make up our minds once and for all….
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 07.09
and why didn’t bala’s lawyer. americk singh, accompany him into the police station as any normal lawyer would do? why did he just drop him at the police station and drive off?
what was americk singh afraid of? sounds very suspicious, cowardly conduct by a lawyer who ought to have stayed with and been by the side of his client to prevent any possible police intimidation.
so, americk singh, plesae speak out!!
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 07.17
As I wrote in an earliere thread that maybe Bala’s lawyer was ‘instructed’ to take him to the Brickfields police station. That lawyer can’t be that good if he cannot figure it out that it would be dangerous to leave Bala in the police station right after that damning SD.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 07.31
the lawyer should have followed Bala in the 1st place. — Rocky
In another country, that would work. But what good would that do in this country? If the lawyer followed Bala in, it would be no surprise if the lawyer too ends up somehow making an SD that sounds like Bala’s second SD.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 09.22
Kit,
Agreed. The fact that he was called by the police and then makes a retraction gives credence to the first SD.
Without doubt Najib is implicated thus reason to use police pressure.
In any case this retraction destroys Najib even more.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 09.53
I’m also curious why Bala’s lawyer merely drop Bala off at Brickfields police station and not follow him into the station.
Isn’t that the normal practice a lawyer should accompany his client to the police station especially after Bala making such a earth-shaking press conference implicating the police to ensure that he is not intimidated? Besides, the lawyer’s other job is offer legal advice to the questions posed by the police.
His dropping off Bala doesn’t sound quite correct. Have the dark forces bought up the whole team?
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 10.26
Hey guys…..
You have every right to fear coz you are dealing with the whole group of C4.
Tell u the truth……I’m also scared of C4.
I mean u look at C4….look at his head and u can determin the power of C4. Its explosive that can blow you and your family apart.
Come to think of it…..why no one investigate who approved the C4 in the first case and the immigration thing. I believe C4 guy is guilty.
umNO-BN is sinking real fast.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 11.28
why dont AI ask LKY to check for him with his immigration and the hotels whether najis/altantuya/razak were in singapore and staying at the same hotel at the same time/date during the diamond exhibition? singapore immigration and hotels CCTV would have all the records.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 19.51
why dont AI ask LKY to check for him with his immigration and the hotels whether najis/altantuya/razak were in singapore and staying at the same hotel at the same time/date during the diamond exhibition? singapore immigration and hotels CCTV would have all the records.
Someone had answered this earlier. The Singapore govt will not entertain Bolehland Opposition’s request. They only have bilateral ties with Bolehland govt.
As for those CCTVs, hotels will only keep them for 2-4 weeks before it is erased and re-use. Within this duration, you still can obtain a copy of it provided with the proper supporting documents.
The only hope left is the record of the diamond exhibition.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 20.19
bystander…..
I wont be surprise that C4 already go and C4 the Singapore immigration and hotels.
Here we are talking the power of C4. $$$$$$$
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 20.32
Also there must be many pictures with the PR agencies in France that were involved in the submarine deal.
Why not get the French NGOs to make noise in this corruption/murder scandal. The French are equally guilty.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 23.45
“Lt Gen Mohd Salleh Ismail, the Director of our Malaysia’s Military Intelligence, said just now that there is no military intelligence report on the Altantuya murder case as claimed by Raja Petra Kamaruddin in a Statutory Declaration. ”
http://rockybru.blogspot.com/2008/07/we-have-no-file-on-altantuya-says.html
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 28.27
Advance and Retreat a.k.a “hobbling the army” is a proven strategy in Sun Tzu War. If these SD1 and SD2 are part of the game plan, I think they’ve already achieved what they wanted. After all damage has already been done! 1 - Anwar, 0 - Najib. The saga has just begun.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 30.35
Basically, you put your head on a chopping block when you made an SD as if you are found to made false claims, you can be jailed and fined, as easy as that.
So, instead of challenge his SD in court and bring him to justice, he was ‘advised’ to retract the 1st SD.
Do we smell something rotten here?
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 30.56
RPK is a fried duck then.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 36.58
I am pretty sure very soon there will be a number of people coming out with more SDs stating that they had seen AS, NR, and ARB having romantic candle-light dinner along the Champs-Elysées or next to the Eiffel tower, Moulin Rouge, or the Seine river in gay Paris.
Akan datang!
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 38.48
Comical! Comical! Comical!
Next they will declare this guy as insane and will send him to Tanjung Rambutan to hide!
Anwar has delivered almost a knock out punched at Najib, but with Badawi as referee Najib shall be able to punch Anwar below the belt, you know what I mean.
They are trying to save their skin and political careers, but for how long more? Only we Rakyat can give them a knockout, next GE!!
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 39.52
so najis guy must have bought everyone including the singapore govt with only the exception of AI & RPK. obviously najis must have bought razak, igb, ag, military intelligence, singapore govt and now PI. i think aab is fully aware and playing along using najis to stay in power longer since he has najis’s b-lls in his palm. they are all ganging up on AI & RPK. uphill battle.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 40.48
if the IGP, AG and Najis can be trusted; whole country will be gone…
dont says about pigs can fly, even elephant can fly too…
a black hand behind the SD2; that’s confirm and final…
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 41.33
americk singh is now saying that Bala was talking to the ASP, who wanted to congradulate him on making the first SD and about eating Curry Fishhead… and a lot of other assumption… What is this? Why even bother to have the press conference at all…
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 43.08
maybe this is the power of ‘MONEY’. in this world MONEY is stand at the first…….bala’s may earn so much in this case……
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 44.19
Yes the Police owes, as what YB Kit says, to the Malaysian public a full explanation as to what transpired in the meeting between the police and Balasubramaniam at the Brickfields police station yesterday evening.
However the Police canot be compelled to give an explanation and even if they do we have no means of ascertaining its veracity.
At the end of the day we would have to make our own judgment based on probabilities.
The question then is whether the making of which – SD1 or its subsequent retraction and making of SD2 – was under duress.
Duress means compulsion by threat or force; coercion; constraint.
Between SD1 and SD2, the making of the latter would more likely be a result of duress. This is because he went to Brickfields police station at 4.45pm and not much is known as to what transpired in there.
To bystanders it would be reasonable to think that he was more likely to be subject to duress in the police station to make SD2 than when he made SD1. This is because it is the authorties that could apply threat or force, coercion or constraint on any individual.
Having thus concluded we are however no where nearer the truth as far as ascertaining which of the versions – SD1 or SD2 – are more likely true.
And this is because whilst he was not likely subject to duress when making the SD1, he could be making it out of inducement, which is just as likely as duress to make a person say falsehood.
So it is equally possible to say that if he was given inducement (financial or otherwise) to make certain misrepresentations in SD1 then the application of subsequent duress to make SD2 would serve the purpose of rectifing the misrepresentations in SD1.
So are we back to square one? Not really.
The argument overlooks the fact that bearing false oath in a SD, whether 1 or 2 is a criminal offence for which one could be imprisoned. So the asumption is that when one makes a SD, he would likely be true to avert the most dire legal consequences of making false representations.
It is asumed here that between an attractive financial inducement and certain punishment
This being true the making of an untrue SD1 which implicates the powerful, the influential and the VIP is more unlikely because had it been a lie, the probabilty of being prosecuted and punished is certain.
The opposite of making a false SD2 - to exonerate and absolve the powerful, the influential and the VIP – is however more likely since the powerful, the influential and the VIP could vouch for protection from any dire legal consequences otherwise attracted from wrongful act of making untrue SD.
Based on these premises, it would be reasonable to infer on balance the greater likelihood of SD1 being freely made based on belief in the truth of its contents than SD2.
These premises proceed on the important assumption, right or wrong, that the fear of being punished and imprisoned is greater than the lure of financial rewards. This is probably true for majority but not all peoples, and it also depnds on the extent of financial reward as against extent of punishment.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 45.06
Bala got the wrong lawyer..Any other lawyers from PAS , PKR or DAP..Will insist that they follow Bala to the police station.Leaders like TIAN CHUAH,KOPALLAKRISHNAN,RONNIE LIEW,KALPAL SINGH ,GOPI,JOHN FERNANDEZ, LIM KIT SIANG.and many more will fight their way into the police station just to see that bala is safe and not be harresed by the police
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 45.40
As I wrote yesterday, I was hoping that Mr Bala would not a prawn (or pawn) in the battle of the whales. Prawns get hurt when the whales fight.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 50.58
They brought Bala to see the two C4 colonels and the rest is history.
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 52.19
EVERY ONE IN BOLEH LAND CAN PLAY SD GAMES!!!
IGP CAN BEHAVE AS IF HE IS THE PM AND WANTED TO CALL IN THE ARMY & THE PM JUST LET HIM PLAY AS HE LIKES & SAID THAT HE IS A GOODMAN!!!
THE AG CAN DECIDE WHO TO SUE AND WHO NOT TO SUE WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION & THE PM SAID THAT HE IS A GOODMAN!!!
ANYMORE SDs ????
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 53.42
Are lawyers allowed to be with Bala in our bolehland???
July 4th, 2008 at 17: 59.53
Bala hasnt got the substance with which Dato Nala is made of.
Nala stood his ground and faced possible death sentence for the charge which was thrown at him.
In any case, the present development is bad for UMNO.
The main stream media, being one-sided, is usually disbelieved.
The alternative media gained readership and trust as a result.
The message that is being spread by the alternative media certainly disfavour UMNO.
Going by the message of the alternative media, people seems to believe what Bala said at first instance.
People believe that UMNO and cronies are behind the retraction by Bala.
See UMNO. Restrictions placed on freedom of expression do no any good.
It has rebounding repercussions.
The rebounce has caught you in the face, hasnt it?
Tip over my friend. Tip over and fall. Like a clown. So that all of us could laugh.
Maybe that way, you could do a little distraction.
Buy some space to more and time to think and air to breath.
Now you know the feeling of being restricted.
Enjoy it while you still can.
The movement for change is gaining strength.
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 01.02
Bala the whale did a spectacular back flip. He is probably munching on some krill.
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 05.31
I saw this comment at susan loone`s site:
Think about this. The police already summoned Bala to balai after Bala released the SD. The lawyer dropped his client at the balai, but did not go in with him. Strange no? Obviously they knew what was going to happen.
Even in Vietnam War because of torture etc the americans allowed their soldiers to talk whatever nonsense the other side wanted. This was to prevent harm to their soldiers.
So Bala talks whatever nonsense the cops want him to talk.
But someone is holding some trump cards. There are some incriminating pictures of N***b and Altantunya which will surface in the next few days that will make Bala`s 1st SD credible. Bala will then say he was forced by the police to make SD2.
And N***b will be a dead duck. Also the IGP and AG.
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 08.43
100 Muslim NGOs sent memo to sultan..Saying they are not happy with PR Goverment…Why not happy.. Because PR YBs does not have the funds to give them.
Every year State Assemblymen will give each NGOs about RM3000 to RM5000.MPs will give each of them about RM5000 to RM10.000.Now that all PR YB,s don,t have funds to give..Sure lah PR goverment not good.
All BN State Assemblymen gets RM950,000 and all PM gets RM3 million each year.
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 08.58
Look what i had found out:
This lends more strength to the SD1.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/7/4/nation/20080704161739&sec=nation
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 09.07
///Balasubramaniam’s lawyer for his first SD, Americk Singh Sidhu, told Malaysiakini that Balasubramaniam received a phone call from the police soon after his press conference yesterday to report to the Brickfields police station.///
The police is very efficient indeed. The investigation should have been on the contents of the SD rather than on the messenger.
So SD2 was made under duress indeed, after meeting the police at the Brickfields police station.
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 14.37
It does not matter which is true, SD1 or SD2. The basic questions: who is in control of the Police Force, Army Forces, ACA, AG Chamber (read Judiciary). Minister of Defence and Home Minister. Who are they? These are desperate time and it calls for desperate measures to break the chain of OPPRESSION. MR PM, MR Clean, I beg you out of you good conscience and closeness to your ALLAH, if you are not tainted yourself, do something good for the COUNTRY! PLEASE!
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 17.51
We’ll probably see Americk Sidhu retracting his statements in the next few days or charged with causing Bala duress or something else to that effect! Wow, like the reality series, Survivor - Outwit, Outplay, Outlast!
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 18.29
Bala was a former policeman. Maybe they dug out some shiat from his past and now using it as a leverage. We know how clean PDRM fellas are anyway, past and present.
But of cos at this current time, anyway sure can make do with usd500000 whether as commission for securing a suckha submarine or keeping one’s mouth shut!
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 22.44
“I (Sidhu) advised him (Bala) that as a law-abiding citizen, he should go and see them. So I fetched him to the Brickfields police station at 4.45pm yesterday and I haven’t heard from him since,” he said stressing that he has failed to contact Balasubramaniam since this news broke out. The Police owes to the Malaysian public a full explanation as to what transpired ….” Kit
To borrow a Latin term in tort law, it is all about res ipso loquitor!
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 24.58
oooops make that res ipsa loquitor
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 26.35
Let’s pray for divine intervention.
Let truth prevail and the perpetrators punished.
Let the weak be protected from the predators.
Let the law of the land prevail over all those who had been bent on abusing and exploiting everybody/everything for their evil ends.
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 28.34
“Extract from NST online2008/07/04
Balasubramaniam retracts allegations against Najib
Bernama
KUALA LUMPUR, Fri:
Private investigator P. Balasubramaniam today retracted all statements that he had made about Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak’s alleged involvement with Mongolian Altantuya Shaariibuu in his statutory declaration dated July 1. “I wish to retract the entire contents of my statutory declaration dated July 1 2008. I was compelled to affirm the said statutory declaration under duress,” he said in his new statutory declaration dated today.’”
…..signed under duress!
1. Which of the statutory declarations is more likely was signed under duress? Statutory declaration 1 or statutory declaration no.2?
(as a hint for the answer -just look at his pictures on both occasions and compare -which one is more likely that he is under stress/duress ….?)
2. Who is more capable to get him to sign under duress?
a) Anwar Ibrahim /PKR
b) Najib A R + the ‘correct-correct-correct’ly fixed system ?
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 30.43
Are you ready for a nincompoop moment?? Here is one.
“Never again trust an Indian armed with an SD - an SD being a modified version of the original.
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 33.59
People in this blog tend to be lawyers or else.
How about a sociologist? What we see here is the begin of the breakdown of authority. It is compounded by the fact that Badawi is PM. And that he is, as so often, simply silent. As a sociologist here I am not talking about dismissal or rebuking someone. It simply is not helpful at all to reiterate that everything is under control, safe and secure and nothing more.
There is a clear lack of central power, and central power, alas, is required to avoid anarchy. All the actors in these days are over-stretching their competences; from, sorry, Anwar, who is neither MP nor does he held any office, to IGP who, one way or another, gets SDs overturned, nevermind if for the better or the worse; it simply is not his task to interfere in the matter, sorry again, RPK, who also holds no office, Najib family, who is but the DPM and Minister of Defense, who is close to being the only visible government official, but unfortunately the most implicated one, for right or wrong; some military commander who feels like conducting security exercises together with the police in KL.
All these were quite acceptable, and some, like Anwar and RPK, moreover good for the democratic process, if there was no deafening silence from the ‘central command’. Have we a Home Minister, a Justice Minister, anyone from the component parties, MITI; all very much effected? Where are their voices? Worse, the man at the top, instead of unifying the rakyat by speeding up the process of finding the truth, simply confides ‘they are good men’ to those most embattled ones. Again, not that he was to sack anyone. But to take some initiative, encourage to stop the ongoing mess, encourage to bring up whatever evidence there is now, offer witness protection, put an undisputed judge into sorting out the reports and SDs, call the chiefs of staff of the military for a meeting, postpone the exercise, allow a peaceful demonstration in a stadium, diffuse the situation in general.
But we all know our PM, and what was amusing years ago, is currently sliding into a dangerous situation. Due to a visible collapse of central and legal authority. No, police and army on the street is not what makes a democratic central and legal authority, that can only be one elected by the people.
Let’s hope and pray for this country!
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 44.20
Looking forward to the next evidence soon, B0leh B0leh B0leh
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 48.05
I’m sure some where out there some ppl may have evidence linking DPM and Altantunya. The problem is whether any1 willing to offer huge $ for that piece of evidence?
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 48.51
The thing for PKR to do is now hire good private investigators to track down all the clues given in the first SD.
1. The “diamond exhibition in Singapore”. Check with venue and dates. Singapore immigration records of Najib’s, Baginda’s and Altantuyah’s movements. With the right connections, might be possible to persuade the Singaporeans to co-operate.
2. Dinner in Paris. Which restaurant? witnesses? Baginda might give tips to save himself. How about the Frenchmen who did the Submarine deals? Anwar’s connections might be able to dig out something.
July 4th, 2008 at 18: 54.26
YB Lim,
I believe one Mr. Bala does not make a generalisation of all Indians. I certainly believe that Mr.Bala is no Mr. Raja Petra Kamarudin either.
Giving the benefit of doubts on Mr. Bala’s First SD, questions like why now and not before, and its mere hearsay does cloud some truth in the declaration. Certainly, hearing from Razak Baginda and than transcript into a SD is quite a foolish act. Especially so, when the allegations involved the Deputy Prime Minister. Nonetheless, Mr. Bala had been ill advised by PR ( Dato Seri Anwar ) into turning an SD into a pompous affair. Knowing a war is going on between the two leaders, it would be better if the SD had been announced by DAP or PAS which has no direct interest with the DPM in the leadership trophy.
The second SD was announced at a posh five star hotel with only his lawyer.period. sometimes necessary limelight is not appropriate for the wrong reason. For the SD to hold, Mr. Bala has to be apolitical. It was a wrong strategy.
Hopefully, the truth will be out soon. For a daughter / mother is dead. Someone must have murdered her.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 00.07
So,his lawyer dropped him at the police station. Anybody knows how he went home? By police car ? or bus? or LRT? or his lawyer took him?
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 04.30
My further observation on this issue:
Bala came forward to make his SD public. Without publicity the SD is useless if police report is not made at the same time. He is aware of the consequences, even police harassment. Even though he allowed the AI to do the PC, I think he tried not to be linked as politically motivated. So he was left on his own. Police called. I think it’s wise for lawyer to drop him and waited. Otherwise, the two will be “brainwashed” into admitting the SD is false!
Back to my earlier post.
IS the PM still in charge? HAS the DPM taken over and running the country? Date is not needed for any succession plan. Have you heard of puppets. Wake up man. This country is now in the hands of a “murderer”.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 05.16
His lawyer Sidhu failed in his duty, he should have accompanied Bala in to the Police Station esp so, so soon after he dropped the bomb at press conference at PKR HQ.
I agree with YB Kit, the Police owes the Malaysian public an explanation. We want to hear from them.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 08.52
No doubt about it. The 1st SD looks more real now after the retraction of the 2nd SD.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 11.40
Jeffrey’s arguments are very persuasive.
Based on the impeccability(?!) of the law enforcement system I think most people will perceive that the first SD has more credibility.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 12.04
someone pointed a gun at his Head to retract the SD !
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 17.57
Bala killed his SD1 with his SD2.
He don’t need a lawyer….he needs a PI!
So a PI needs a PI.
What is he up to?
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 25.04
Nato lim, will all this issue spark may 13th??? now we have finger pointing at each other. this bad n good sign, bad - things might got out of hand n it will turn into ugly site. Good things we all know how our malaysia ‘kerajaan’ has been ruling this country n we r not covered by any shadow, better picture. no coverup. I want to know ARE WE SAFE HERE RIGHT NOW n please tell me NOTHING TO WORRY RIGHT????
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 28.26
Let’s compare the allegation of the two men: 1) Saifool 2) Bala. See the reaction of the police.
Saifool : Sodomy of AI. Police is a friend. Provides witness protection.VIP treatment.
Bala : Sodomy of Najis (quotes in full the retraction: “… and at no material time did Razak Baginda inform me that Datuk Seri Najib had a sexual relationship with Altantuya Shaaribu and that she was susceptible to anal intercourse”).Immediate retraction. Immediate harassment.
Conclusion: Double standards. We are DOOMED. IT A POLICE STATE! After all, TDM, you may be right.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 38.49
kentutoyol Says:
Today at 19: 17.57 (16 minutes ago)
Bala killed his SD1 with his SD2.
He don’t need a lawyer….he needs a PI!………
Kentutoyol, have you not been following? The 2nd SD, by its mere retraction, makes the 1st SD accurate and authentic.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 47.09
Is there any single authority in the country which could be trusted?
Where is credibility?
Where is honour?
Where is trust?
Where is truthfullness?
Where is honesty?
Is the country so lacking in all these virtues?
Are we doomed?
How can we expect anybody coming here with their investments, funds, projects? Or just simply coming in to enjoy their holidays?
Where is the nation headed to?
Why are so many people so silent? So deafeningly silent?
The country certainly needs away out of all the mess that is accrueing of late?
Can ‘ketuanan’ help? What value does it have in helping the nation move forward? Show some supremacy in leading the country justly, fairly, honourably, magnanimously, intelligently, etc., etc., forward. Not only in name, for goodness sake.
Where is Encik Bakri Musa? Throw some light, sir.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 48.28
The country certainly needs a way out of all the mess that is accrueing of late.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 51.23
The thought of all this really sent a chill in my spine. The powerful people can really do wonders. It is confirmed by their action that somebody very powerful is trying to hide the truth. Definitely guilty?? Else why do you need to abuse your powers to get SD2. Who can gave the polis this instruction.?? The Powerful. The very Powerful is using all his power to create “truth”. I believe AAB when he say no erection. I believe him when he says no kahwin. I also beleive him when he says petrol will not be increase this year. Now he says his deputy is not guilty. Surely I believe him.
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 53.23
Bala is scare to die, so he retracted his first SD. He didn’t know his second SD is worst then the first, this time he’s killing his own conscious mind. .
July 4th, 2008 at 19: 59.36
If the government do not arrest Anwar or RPK very soon, then they must be guilty of something.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 00.03
A child was asked by his mother where he had been and what he had been up to, and where he got to eat chocolate.
The boy said he was at his neighbours house playing a game of ‘bluff’ ( when in actual fact he went for a swim in a nearby river with a friend). Of course he lied.
As for the chocolate, he said, “What chocolate mum? I didn’t eat any chocolate.”
The mother gave him cynical and disbelieving look, asking what was on his lips.
The boy rub his lips, and well there was chocolate!
Chocolates don’t lie, do they?
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 05.35
I have decided not to believe any of Bala’s SDs which are rubbish.
He has done a lot of damage to his integrity and reputation by revising the first SD. He can only fool me once but not the second time.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 06.35
The AS C4 trial case had reached the end of the beginning and is now entering the beginning of the end. The judge will make his decision very soon and the case will be closed. No need to bother about SDs. Everyone in the BN will be happy and move on.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 11.08
Clearly, BODY LANGUAGE is always more accurate than SD.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 13.19
One can bluff everybody sometimes.
One can bluff somebody sometimes.
But,sorry, one cannot bluff everybody all the time.
Truth will prevail.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 16.58
Fact is more more bizarre than fiction.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 18.09
they might hav decided to reopen the file on Bala concerning his 17 years tenure as PDRM;he is after all was one of the leopards,they hav ’spots’ or other wise it would be the totally ‘black’ one.the bargain could be jus too huge to back out n he jus hav to make the ‘choice’!!!
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 19.44
Some kind of trade-off and bartering is in the air.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 21.23
najis is in a bigger mess as far as any right minded person is concerned;why only those paragraphs concerning the DPM hav been retracted???very very big question marks indeed!!
besides,why the hoohaa on ‘liwat meliwat’??jus track down with the singapore’s ‘ 2003 immigration record’ or the exhibition cctv tracks on altantuya,najis n baginda if they were really there;pretty sure in singapore they would not erase documentations n records at their own whims n fancies.however,who knows??s’pore might jus use it to ask for ‘pulau pisang ‘ as ransom…ha..ha..ha….haaaaa!!!
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 25.33
Dear yhsiew, to quote David138 on Malaysiakini, “……….. it is more reasonable to believe that he was under duress for the second SD, because he had exposed and linked a powerful politician to the murder case of Atlantuya, but all references to this person in the second SD has been expunged”.
Ask yourself how in its contents did SD1 differ from SD2? Only in as far as where Najib is implicated. What does that say?
Further, the 1st SD was sworn before a Commissioner of Oaths and lawyer Americk Singh Sidhu. Is the Commissioner or Americk capable or to gain from causing “duress”? The 2nd SD however was after Balasubramaniam was asked to call at the Balai. Isnt the PDRM which is synonymous with “duress”, coercion and intimidation?
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 25.34
What’s the fuss??
Politicians flip flop for a living. Ordinary folks flip flop so they could live. What’s the difference? The difference, if any, is the former make good bucks and the latter could only think of making good bucks.
Shoot all the politicians? That’s is another nincompoop moment.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 27.03
DPM can certainly claim credit for Bala’s withdrawal of the sd, but the people are not so stupid. You just have to look at the press conference where Bala appears to be seated relaxed next to his lawyer, shaking hands with Anwar to know that there was no duress. Besides, who is Anwar, without the backing of the judiciary, the police, the army, the ACA or the AG to have caused this tough looking man to make a lengthy declaration under duress? It makes no sense at all.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 27.39
Who is right, who is wrong, what is the truth, it all doesn’t really matter any more.
In the eyes of the world, we are one “dekcuf” up banana country. Are you proud to be called a banana?
No wonder Malaysians overseas are sometimes shy to be identified as Malaysians.
Period.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 28.33
What transpired with Bala’s second SD is bizarre and a transgression into the integrity of justice in the Malaysian legal system.
What is more interesting for all Malaysians to know by now is to digest the following Najib two statements which are deemed inter-related or contradictory:-
1) Altantuya’s murder case
(i) upon the 1st SD disclosure, he denied it vehemently citing
innocence on his part
(ii) Najib said he would have to refer to the AG
2) Anwar’s alleged sodomy case
(i) earlier Najib said he did not know Saiful at all, perhaps only
Najib’s personal assistant has acquitance with Saiful when
Saiful turned up at Najib’s office.
(ii) later najib said and acknowledged Saiful came to Najib’s
house to seek Najib’s advice
It appears that there is a inconsistency in comprehending Najib’s two statement under item (2). In such circumstances, would every Malaysian would decipher that there is some element of fishy-fishy smell?
That will bring back to the item (1). If such fishy-fishy element prevails, it is not surprising to EXPECT Bala to put up the 2nd SD (or rather “retract” the 1st SD or “nullify” to be exact). It further reaffirmed that since it is Najib’s personal matter, the question is why did Najib turn to the AG for advice? Pure abuse of government resources and authority for his personal matter which is punishable under the Penal Code. Has any PR lawyer seen this point?
Well, as all said and done, Malaysia is really in the world spotlight with the many eyes peering through that little Malaysian window, judging what the government would be up to. The world community would similarly share the same sentiments as all Malaysians here about what great a circus we have; perhaps more exciting than the Royal London circus with all the “daring trapezes”, the twist and turns of the “acrobats” in action.
How then would Malaysia be able to redeem itself in the World Transparency Index, the International Human Rights classifications and all the other International parameters with a group of daring clowns and acrobats in power?
Your guess is as good as mine!!!
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 30.03
“The Police owes to the Malaysian public a full explanation as to what ……”
are u kidding??uncle Lim..no offence,as a matter of fact,we are living in Geoge O’well’s ‘1984′,there are jus abundance of similarities!!hopefully, we can see the ‘awakening’ of the rakyat after 50 years of scums!!
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 33.47
In tonight’s China Press, Karpal Singh said Bala could be charged for producing a false SD. The penalty is 7 years imprisonment or imprisonment plus a fine.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 34.28
After a few posting in this comment, I stumble upon this Blog postings which I quote in full. It shares the same sentiment as mine. I known we can joke and pass needless comments and not realising this country is sliding down hill. When a man is drowning he will grab any straw to stay alive. Here’s the long quotes of blogger drrafick - Rights 2 Write:
A plea from the Rakyat - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
July 4, 2008 by drrafick
1. What is going on this country? The country political arena now is as good as the Royal London Circus. Yesterday, a PI by the name P. Bala made a SD linking Najib and Althantuya and today he change his mind citing that he comes under a lot of pressure. Who can blame him! Of course he is going to be pressured.
2. .A few days ago, Najib claims that he has never met Mohd Saiful Bahari (MSB) and that MSB came to his office seeking assistance from his officers in getting a scholarship. Last night on national news, he changes his statement. Now it appears that MSB went to see him and sought advice. Now it appears that it is not that difficult to meet Najib. If you need any kind of advice, just walk right into his office and he wills advice you. Dato Sri Najib, excuse me for saying this out loud - YOU ARE LIAR! YOU LIED TO THE WHOLE NATION.
3. While the politician is fighting for the pinnacle of power and trying to keep the magic wand and the crown, the country economic indicators are sliding smoothly into the drain. These politicians are only interested in their own political survival and I do not think any of them is interested in the welfare of the nation. The nation and its people is no longer the centre stage. The black ink now has taint Najib, Ghani Petail, Musa Hassan and Anwar. Who knows - who will the next victim. The sad thing is the PM is still unsure on what need to be done. He is still groping and looking for a solution.
4. As a citizen of this country who is very concern on the on goings in this country, I urged the PM, Pak Lah to do the right thing. The right thing is that ensure the truth prevails under no pressure from any quarters. The right thing is to manage the country without any headache. There is so much to do in the current global recession. I proposed the PM to consider the following:
a. On Anwar Ibrahim – The police must conclude their investigation as soon as possible and make a stand on the sodomy allegation by MSB. If there is a case or there is any strong evidence to charge him, then charge him in court. He can go to court to defend himself.
b. On Najib Razak – He has to go for sabbatical leave. While he is away, a full scale and transparent investigation must be done. If he is proven to be not guilty, he can always comes back. If he is guilty in any crime related to Althantuya or related to MSB sodomy allegation, then charge him.
c. On Ghani Petail and Musa Hassan – Both needs to go on leave for several months. While they are away, initiate a royal commission and conduct a clear and transparent investigation into allegations that was made against them. Anwar revelation of their involvement in the Black Eye Incident in 1998 was supported from documents that could only have come from the AG office (Look for the sender name on the fax transmission that appears on MT)
5. Pak Lah, I urge you take this actions simultaneously. This will be a fair thing to do for all the people. This will be a fair and acceptable action. It is time for a firm and drastic action. You cannot wait until it is too late.
6. In my assessment, if this political fight is allowed to continue, it will drag into the streets. The economy and the people interest are far more important. You need to regain the peoples respect. The international community is watching. It is time to do the right thing and place the people as the primary focus. Do things without fear or favour!
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 44.10
Sorry, just to digress a little.
Joint Police, Military Exercise, excerpt from Malaysian Insider:
“”PARLIAMENT, July 3 – The Prime Minister assured all Malaysians that there were no security issues in the country and that the current police and army exercise was nothing to worry about.
“Malaysia is safe and stable. Please don’t get overexcited about what is happening. There are a lot of rumours. Please don’t believe them. Don’t panic, ” said Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi after chairing the Northern Corridor Economic Region board’s first meeting today.”"
If there is nothing to worry about and that the country is safe and stable why the joint exercise then?
There must be something to it, the joint police-military exercise. In preparation to face some kind of grave situation which are impending or made to seem impending? Who knows.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 44.38
# Vidya Young Says:
Today at 19: 38.49 (57 minutes ago)
Kentutoyol, have you not been following? The 2nd SD, by its mere retraction, makes the 1st SD accurate and authentic.
If that is the case then make more SDs…..SD3, SD4, SD5…on and on. And they will make 1st SD super accurate and super authentic.
What a joke!
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 51.11
do u believe that najis ,at this juncture;really cares how people look at him,his image as a stateman,as a leader???he should be infact ‘fighting’ to stand on the ‘legal ground’ to prolong his own political significance! hav u seen a lizard sacrifying its tail to save its own life??
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 51.45
Why don’t AI asks LKY to check for him with his immigration and the hotels whether najis/altantuya/razak were in Singapore and staying at the same hotel at the same time/date during the diamond exhibition? Singapore immigration and hotels CCTV would have all the records.
Someone had answered this earlier. The Singapore govt will not entertain Bolehland Opposition’s request. They only have bilateral ties with Bolehland govt.
In my opinion, Singapore will not give a damn to bilateral ties with Bolehland govt. However, LKY will still deny AI’s request based on the following theories:-
1. Singapore govt prefers BN over PR because if PR takes over then international shipments would cruise to Tanjung Pelepas or Port Klang instead of Singapore;
2. There would be less dirty moneys laundering into Singapore banking institutions as depositor is protected under Singapore’s bank secrecy law and in turn this would definitely dent Singapore’s ambition to become a leading financial institutional country in Asia;
3. MAS would be dominant over Singapore Airline and the later would be seeing red in its account and would not survive without government aids;
4. BolehLand would overshadow Singapore in all kinds of trades, be it production, service and etc just like China outshines the western countries in all walks of production industries.
So much so that Singapore would have to re-union with BolehLand on survival basis.
So don’t ever count on Singapore to help AI.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 57.44
yhsiew,
Being imprisoned for 7 years is probably nothing compared to the threats he received. The people in power can do more harm to him then just 7 years incarceration.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 58.03
Najis camp has made a BIG blunder by having Bala retracting only those information related to Najis in the SD. They should have instead asked Bala to drop the whole SD and not just information related to Najis, so that people will not so easily tell that it is Najis that is behind Bala’s abrupt turn within 24 hour.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 58.05
What’s scary about the lastest happening in the country is that the Napoleons are now turning into little Hitlers.
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 59.08
Good Luck to Malaysia!
July 4th, 2008 at 20: 59.48
It seem like the SD is as worthless as a piece of toilet paper.
It like writing on the toilet paper and later use to wipe your ass…
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 01.35
anyway,the bomb hav been exploded n damage is done.now.bala retraction is jus a recollection of debris!!malaysian ,as a matter of fact hav been jus fed with another ‘packet of sodomee’!!
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 05.32
Well my predictions are coming true……..as i stated in my last comments that a CYCLONE IS GOING TO SWEEP THROUGH WITH DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES……. and it has already started.
As you all know this is ISLAM HADHARI……
The truth is already in the ETHER and it will surely materialise eventually….NO ONE REPEAT NO ONE CAN HIDE FROM THE ALMIGHTY ALLAH, HE CAN BE THE MOST POWERFUL MAN ON EARTH. HIS DOWNFALL IS IMMINENT AND WILL COME SOON.
EITHER THE CULPRIT ADMITS IT OR BE SHAMED, DISGRACED AND SPIT AT IF PROLONGED.
MY FRIENDS THERE IS NOWHERE TO HIDE…….DENIAL IS NOT GOING TO DO ANY GOOD…..THE CULPRIT OWN UP NOW AND SPARE YOURSELF ALL THE PAIN AND THE FINAL PAAANGS OF HELLLL……
SOOTHSAYER
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 06.15
bala had either received an inducement or a threat.
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 11.26
The question so simple yet so hard to convince?????
During world war 2, do you think the pilot will drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima without instruction from the president????
In Malaysia, do you think the commando will bomb a person without the instruction from the top….( I will be charge under ISA if I mentioned the name)????
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 13.46
i believe the man who was lock up for 6 years and separated from his family. Have you all ever experienced it in your life time? at least i were once lock up by police for 4 days.
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 15.50
the second SD proves P.I being treatened by ’someone’..it’s so obvious…the whole world knew about it…:)
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 18.20
Bala and Saiful are now in the same boat, both will meet the fate of Altantuya once their usefulness/shelf life expire.
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 18.46
There’s an interesting poll here …
http://malaysia.msn.com/
1. Do you think the Altantuya Shaariibuu murder case has been handled properly by investigators and prosecutors?
1. Yes
8%
2. No
92%
1637 responses, not scientifically valid, results updated every minute.
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 19.05
Just “lock” yourself up in a luxurious hotel room with room service for a week without contact with the outside world should open your eyes to what’s life in prison. Maybe you can interview LGE himself.
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 19.20
In the coming days, this is bound to occur:
Bala’s SD3: No idea as to why his bank account is suddenly overflowing with $$$$
Bala’s SD4: Leaving his PI job and becoming the CEO of a mutinational corp
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 19.25
Who will win the premiership?
Link: http://www.kingsmary.blogspot.com/
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 28.04
Who ever makes Balasubramaniam retract his fir SD is real stupid.
Simple reason, how can do it so soon? I believe Subra is FORCED to retract against his free will.
He must have received plenty of threat to his life and his family.
Yesterday, I already forsaw that Subra needs total police protection. But he failed to ge one.
Threat for him can come from many parties. Those people implicated are no ordinary guys. Some of them have supporters who are willing to do anything just to please the boss.
Pity this poor Subra.
Whatever it is, the majority of the rakyat believe in the FIRST SD!!!
Simply it takes lot of courage to give such SD!!!
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 29.51
we miss ‘malaysia today’,RPK sure misses this ‘fiasco’ n ‘fun’!!any update from anyone pls.??
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 46.51
Let’s look at this in depth & very broad perspective. The use of SD 1 & SD 2 has served its purpose. Thats all ! Nothing further. Bala has a duty to declared what he had witness previously in SD 1. Now, SD 2 served as retraction to protect himself , no further demand !
Anything further is based on your own point of view, That’s all. Bala has no purpose to go further, it will be an uncharted territory. Get it !
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 47.00
I am starting to get the feel that the PI and the sodom kid are planted by PKR themselves to confuse BN into making mistakes. In sodom kid case, it is near impossible to provide evidence. But majority public opinion smells this is ‘fried cold rice’ by BN. In the end BN will loose if they forcibly press on charges. In Bala case, the major objective is to deal a death blow to the police by exposing their way of doing things, not really to hurt our no 2 man as who cares if he has 4 wives and 8 mistresses!
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 52.21
[…] Lim Kit Siang - Altantuya/Najib link - PI Balasubramaniam SD1 vs SD2 […]
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 55.25
This is the most bizarre twist of event that even Agatha Christie would beg for an answer. I just can’t understand how on earth could Bala’s 1st lawyer just drop him off into the lion’s den unaccompanied, knowing the damning consequences that he faces immediately after the 1st PC. How could Anwar just let him walk off unprotected knowing damn well he was most certainly the prime target after such an explosive exposure by him. I would, if I was Anwar, take Bala into hiding and protect him of his dear life, or at least get the best lawyers to represent him in such event that he was asked to go into the police station. But hell no, his brilliant lawyer just dropped him off at the gate of the police station. No wonder Bala got rid of him real quick. And serve you right Anwar for using Bala and dumping him just after he has served your purpose. Are we still looking forward to a new government, you tell me.
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 57.09
Morons at work, again.
PETALING JAYA: Umno Youth will hold an assembly to protest against “interference” by the United States and other foreign powers in the country’s affairs.
Its chief Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said it was also to protest efforts by PKR de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim to gain sympathy from these countries and divert attention away from an investigation on him.
The date and venue of the assembly is yet to be confirmed.
“We want to reiterate our objection to the statement made by US State Department spokesman Tom Casey,” Hishammuddin said in a statement.
On Monday, foreign wires reported US State Department spokesman Tom Casey as saying that the United States would oppose any “politically motivated” investigation on, or prosecution of, Anwar.
Hishammuddin said the movement strongly objected to Washington’s action.
“We see the interference by other parties such as Turkey and a Singapore newspaper report on Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor, wife of the Deputy Prime Minister, as an ‘unhealthy development’ where foreign powers are trying to get involved in our affairs,” he said.
The movement, he added, felt that these developments were linked to Anwar.
“We feel a firm stand must be made as a warning against third parties to not get involved in Malaysia’s affairs,” he said.
July 4th, 2008 at 21: 59.20
Someone has shot himself in the foot! You can discredit his SD by questioning his motive or attacking it on the basis of unproven hearsay but forcing him the retract it only gives it more credibility. It’s like using a hammer to smash an ant and have it bounce back and hit your face.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 03.59
Cheap Opportunist at play….so who is easily moved
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 05.02
toyolbuster,
You hit the spot, a very good one. Wake them up.
Cheers
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 10.11
This bad hollywood script with accusations and counter-accusations seems like it is going nowhere. However, the present loser is the country and its citizens with the stock market sliding, ringgit dropping and tourist cancellations. Things are going to get worse if situation do not return to normalcy where the government whether it is going to be BN or PR do their job which are expected of them as elected representatives.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 13.35
Why are there 2 SDs?
The public’s perceptions are that after Bala left the press conference yesterday, he was being threatened to retract SD1. In order to do this, he was forced to lie that he was under duress to sign SD1. However, his first lawyer confirmed that Bala signed SD1 voluntarily yesterday, and Anwar said he didn’t write SD1 for Bala. It was Bala who did it by himself.
What is strange was that only statements in SD1 that went against Nj had been expunged - the public suspect Nj “strongmen” forced Bala to do correction to SD1 in this way.
Bala’s first lawyer said Bala was a trustworthy person and he held the view that Bala was under duress to sign SD2 (not SD1)!
Anwar said Bala should explain why he retracted SD1 and why he went missing after the press conference yesterday until this morning.
I personally believe that Nj “strongmen” had threatened Bala to retract his SD after he left the press conference yesterday because Nj “strongmen” made a mistake - they forced Bala to only remove statements which went against Nj and that had created suspicion.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 13.52
Many heard it over the tv news, many read it on the newspaper, as reported….”If you have experienced being in a lock-up, definitely you
will sign the statement. I have three children (to think about)…no brainer lah!
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 21.02
From Johor to Penanag.
No one believes that………………
1. Anwar Fs Saifool
2. Najis and family is not guilty.
so, what’s the use of SD2 when SD1 is already a nail in the coffin.
just too late.
bye bye BN.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 21.42
Given that Bala was under duress when he made the first SD, what caused the duress to be removed a mere 24 hours later?
Given that Bala lied on the first SD, why would he want to repudiate it and prove to the world he’s a liar?
It doesn’t make sense. The only thing which makes sense is that he was under duress to retract the first SD.
Actually SD1 was all hearsay. Unless evidence is produced to back it up, Najib can shrug it off. But after what happened, SD1 has become TRUTH in most people’s eyes.
Desperate people will trip themselves up.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 23.11
Where is Malaysia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altantuya_Shaaribuu
Thanks to the BN government for making us so famous.. next time a travel abroad, i can just introduce myself as coming from ” the place Ms Altantuya c4ed” .. with proud.
Hishamuddin and the UM-No Putras will make all of us some more proud soon.. Robbers, rapist and rempits are rampaging the country.. where are the police? Ohh.. busy with Liwat and SD..
What does the robbers, rapist and rempits says:” You lot can’t do anything to us, my kinsmen are running this country. They will protect us.” How true.. Thanks BN government..
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 38.54
# shakarul Says:
Today at 20: 51.45 (1 hour ago)
In my opinion, Singapore will not give a damn to bilateral ties with Bolehland govt. However, LKY will still deny AI’s request based on the following theories:-
1. Singapore govt prefers BN over PR because if PR takes over then international shipments would cruise to Tanjung Pelepas or Port Klang instead of Singapore;
2. There would be less dirty moneys laundering into Singapore banking institutions as depositor is protected under Singapore’s bank secrecy law and in turn this would definitely dent Singapore’s ambition to become a leading financial institutional country in Asia;
3. MAS would be dominant over Singapore Airline and the later would be seeing red in its account and would not survive without government aids;
4. BolehLand would overshadow Singapore in all kinds of trades, be it production, service and etc just like China outshines the western countries in all walks of production industries.
So much so that Singapore would have to re-union with BolehLand on survival basis.
So don’t ever count on Singapore to help AI. ///
shakarul, why stop at 4.?
5. BodohLand will surpass the US and send a man to Mars before 2020.
6. BodohLand will surpoass China’s population of 1.3 billion people.
7. BodohLand will produce universities better than Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale, you name it.
8. BodohLand will be the Financial Centre of the World, surpassing New York, London, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 39.02
Anwar with the help of Bala did what he thought was a Zugzwang on his nemesis but he not only ignored the move but changed the time on the chess clock and FIDE rules – and the game goes on.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 39.30
Dear Fellow Malaysians,
Even though I’m no longer residing in Malaysia, I still follow up with the political development here. I’m extremely disappointed what has happened here in Malaysia. I believe all Malaysians today short be smart enough to deduce what is happening.
Imagine a few months back, a report was lodged against a senior politician (During my time this guy is a TNB Chief If I’m not mistaken) on sexual abuse, but the next day the report was retracted. I am surprised to see this happened again on Mr. Bala case. It is clear and I believe fellow Malaysians will be smart enough to deduce the credibility of Malaysia law and police system.
We know exactly what has happened here, what’s the wrong with Najib etc.
Malaysia Boleh! Wish you guys good luck living in your so called Boleh Land !
Cheers!
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 40.42
Yeah I read that in Wikipedia about Altantuya.
One question from me, why’s now Bodoh-Wii so quite? I thought he as the most powerful man in this country should step out to comment something on the second SD? … Anyhow, let’s think among 3 of them, who will benefit the most without the need of doing anything? You guess is as good as mine.
Read this:
http://www.futurefastforward.com/component/content/article/162
I am no longer proud to be a malaysian, in fact I am currently applying to migrate. Simply shame to be a malaysian. But I will try my best to come back 5 years later to contribute my tiny little vote to bring this corrupted/useless/dramatic ruling party down.
From a resident of Malaysia who does not have the feeling of home.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 45.04
Now all the hope lies on Razak baginda or his wife.. They are the strong evidence of this case apart from other information that RPK and Dsai has in their sleeves.
Whatever it is.. we should see what the courts verdict are.. if Razak baginda goes free than all can confirm who the vvip involved.. or if he was convicted for abetting the murder, i’m sure he won’t keep his mouth shut. Let the time decide.
No point of having all these SD Fiasco since our judiciary has become a joke in coffee shops. One with SD, the other big denial.. for how long people want to see these craps.
Are there any leaders in the government who really care for the raakyat ? You can’t see even one.. just bunch of robbers, enjoying themselves with ill gotten luxury. They will swear on anything.. even the holy scripts to disguise their true self.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 48.24
A brilliant game plan by Anwar! Do you think so? I have a little write up here
Brilliant Game Plan By DSAI
Shiok Guy
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 54.37
Why didn’t his first lawyer accompany him when he was in the police station???
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 57.58
I am confident that there will be some solid evidence surfacing soon.
July 4th, 2008 at 22: 59.00
frustrating to see how the malaysian police works to serve the people who think that they are God and can escape from their evil doings just like that..just like that….O MY GOD
July 4th, 2008 at 23: 00.43
New Malaysian Comedy Hits the Screens!
http://www.talkingcock.com/html/article.php?sid=2597
July 4th, 2008 at 23: 00.53
http://www.malaysia-today.net/ anyone..
July 4th, 2008 at 23: 05.38
Kit Siang is right, more people believe the first SD, after the 2nd SD came out. The missing sections are just way too obvious! And this after a visit to the Brickfields police station. You don’t need thugs, when you have PDRM.
His lawyer should have been there? I don’t think so, it would have just been delayed for another day, before the cops got to him or his family and worked on him. A lawyer can’t protect his client all the time.
Read between the lines, use your intellect and make your conclusions. Most of your already see it!
Its really stupid, what Najib and gang are doing - they really lack any intellect! Must be some kampung boys from Pekan leading the pack, or is this the best Rosmah can do? Draw your conclusions!
July 4th, 2008 at 23: 17.25
Classic example of doublethink.
From the wiki on doublethink:
“Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs. It is an integral concept of George Orwell’s dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.”
“The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them . . . . To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.”
Reality is stranger than fiction sometimes.
July 4th, 2008 at 23: 33.03
# thaksan Wrote:
Today at 22: 54.37 (4 minutes ago)
Why didn’t his first lawyer accompany him when he was in the police station???
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After the press conference, Bala followed his first lawyer back to the latter’s office. While they were there Bala’s phone kept ringing; but Bala refused to answer the phone and told his first lawyer that the police was calling him (Bala). His first lawyer then asked Bala to answer the call. The person at the other end of the line was Tonny Lunggan - the assistant police supervisor (translation might be wrong) who investigated Altantuya’s case. Tonny and Bala planned to meet each other at 6.30PM at Brickfield. Bala left at 5.45PM. His first lawyer did not follow him thinking that Tonny was so friendly to Bala on the phone and showed no intention of arresting Bala. In fact, it looked as if Tonny wanted to congratulate Bala for exposing the truth. After a while, Bala’s phone appeared switched off and his first lawyer could not contact him.
Bala’s first lawyer said despite Bala admitted at the press conference that he worried for his safety, he did not talk much about it when he (the lawyer) was with him. Bala just wanted to do what he thought was the right thing to do.
July 4th, 2008 at 23: 34.31
SINCE WHEN DID SD BECOME A FASHION THING IN BOLIHLAND- THE LAND OF CLOWNS……..HOW SAD
July 4th, 2008 at 23: 38.16
Sorry uncle Lim, to side track a little.
Read the Suara KeAdilan online that the original venue for this Sunday’s 06-07-08 gathering of the RAKYAT has been changed to Stadium MBPJ Kelana Jaya, right? The TIME of the gathering is not stated. What TIME?
Thanks uncle Lim.
July 4th, 2008 at 23: 44.41
sorry, side track abit, just try to figure out something after cool water bath…
just wondering from Damansara to PutraJaya, along the road NO police station meh…???
why not report to police & why go to this fxxx bxxx DPM…???
unless the bxxx DPM promised him that after ate by Anwar come here to redeem your pay cheque…
else he was ate by bxxx DPM & later insert DSAI “bulu” into his “lobang”… lol
July 4th, 2008 at 23: 48.40
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July 5th, 2008 at 00: 02.53
The immigration record of the trio in S’pore and the recording on the CCTV during the diamond exhibition are the key to check the veracity of SD1.
How to gain access to the above said items (i.e. immigration record and CCTV recording)?
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 17.04
you may try Suntec Singapore International Convention and Exhibition Centre if diamond exhibition was held there…
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 17.57
I mean that CCTV footages and recording.
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 26.40
Obviously this Americk Singh is not the Hindraf kind……basically no balls……
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 28.27
Outcome may well turn on who races there (S’pore) faster to get hold of the CCTV footages (that likely would have captured guests especially important ones) and stored. They don’t lie and not easy to contradict because they are taken by disinterested parties.
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 37.19
Diamonds are a girl’s best friend. But if it comes from a nincompoop you’d be well advised to have them authenticated.
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 38.21
If one’s political inclination is towards the opposition, one would say that the 1st SD was voluntary while the 2nd was forced. The BN camp would say the reverse. It is entirely possible that poor Mr Bala was first lured into making the 1st SD (perhaps he truly believed that a PKR government would come into power within three months and could grant him protection or even a reward) (and then was forced to make the 2nd SD (something must have made him changed his mind that he could not be protected). (I am saying anything here about which SD is true. It is possible that both contains a mixture of truths and untruths.) I said “lured” for the 1st SD because he was happy and smiling when the 1st SD was publicised with AI beside him, and “forced” for the 2nd SD becaused he looked like he was not sleeping the whole night when he made him his 2nd SD. It’s better for us “small fish” to stay away when the “big whales” fight.
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 53.53
It is unfair to blame a nincompoop for not being able to tell the difference between glass and diamonds!
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 53.53
is bala missing now… ? gosh.
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 54.14
Observe the symbol of our police:
TWO SWORDS ACROSS THE BACK OF TIGER…. how to act?
….. Bad Feng Shui
July 5th, 2008 at 00: 55.37
I should add this. Supposing the 1st SD contains only truth (truth here means Mr Bala stated exactly what was told to him by RB), then I believe Mr Bala would more likely be braver and able to find great inner strength to stand by what he said IF the SD was made out of his conscience for wanting justice done. The alignment with AI made his move look more like political rather than out of his conscience. If anyone wants to fight for the truth and justice, do it only if your conscience calls for it; otherwise, one is certain to fall, especially if one is lured into it for any other reason.
July 5th, 2008 at 01: 11.54
i know how hard it is to go against Big whales when there is nothing or anyone to protect one self and family from any counter attacks. i have came across a bad situation of which my friend and i was wrongfully accused of doing towards a Datuk’s so called young wife in a room filled with a lot of people and dark… she just pointed her fingers towards a person who didn’t even see her there, and this datuk’s bodyguards just came crashing down on him… we were all in shock and not knowing what the hell was going on!! nevertheless, we were threatened and beaten up for something we didn’t do by this datuk’s bodyguards… if not for the arrival of the police they would have killed us there and then!! we couldn’t make a police report because we had no idea who that datuk is and the names of his bodyguards and especially his young wife who simply pointed her fingers to us..
so like i said, i understand what mr.bala is going thru and i am sure that he has been threaten severely which also includes each and everyone of his family members..
if a politician can be shot at point blank in a lift, what do you think these big people can do with nobodys like you and me and not forgetting mr.bala in this matter??
July 5th, 2008 at 01: 17.56
…//With his second SD of retraction, without explaining what was the “duress” which coerced him to make shocking disclosures linking Najib with Altantunya, Subramaniam has succeeded in making even those who had doubted his first SD to come around to believe it//…
_______________________________________________________
The thief who buried his stolen silver and put up the sign:
No 300 Ounces of Silver Buried Here.
July 5th, 2008 at 01: 53.10
Bala if he is genuinely scared for his life could claim persecution by the Malaysian government and is advised to apply for asylum in any of the countries which are signatories to the United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugee 1951 – and among them are Australia, NZ, UK and Canada and US, to mention a few. He could then issue another SD!
Saiful too could apply but his ground cannot be that he is gay. A Malaysian Malay who is gay applied to the Canada government not too long ago and his application was denied. Being gay is not one of the five statutory grounds under the 1967 Protocol relating to refugees.
One Kok Leong Law who claimed persecution based on his membership in the DAP applied for asylum in the U.S. had his application denied. His appeal to the U.S. District of Appeal 2nd Circuit too was denied.
July 5th, 2008 at 02: 00.57
ooops Canadian government
July 5th, 2008 at 02: 10.51
This “najis” in the very very beginning of the sodomy case has always maintained he has not met with or known “Saiful the Sodomised” except that he is a student who one day came to his office and ask for money to study, as the boy was a fan of his, they snap pictures together, not even cordial, the botak also forgot his existence!
The next time, this najis admitted that Saiful the Sodomised CAME to his home out of desperation because of pain in the buttocks, and ask him “WHAT HE SHOULD DO” about this?!?! What the heck!!
How can someone who don’t know each other can suddenly show up in your house and ask for advice from a DPM of Malaysia?! What are the uses of the police in this country?!! What sort of joke is this?!?!?
Can I show up at “Istana AAB” then for advice on how to treat pain in the buttocks?!?!
News in the last 2 days or so, was so full of sh!t (najis) !!!!!
July 5th, 2008 at 02: 16.44
i_love_malaysia Says:
Yesterday at 17: 52.19
EVERY ONE IN BOLEH LAND CAN PLAY SD GAMES!!!
IGP CAN BEHAVE AS IF HE IS THE PM AND WANTED TO CALL IN THE ARMY & THE PM JUST LET HIM PLAY AS HE LIKES & SAID THAT HE IS A GOODMAN!!!
Is the army under orders of the IGP? We have to get it right. N is the minister of defence. The army is answerable to the Agong as the Commander-in-Chief.
Hence the IGP cannot direct the army, navy or airforce to fire even one bullet.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
July 5th, 2008 at 02: 25.14
As the Chinese sayings goes,
“it takes another 100 lies to cover up one lie”
July 5th, 2008 at 02: 41.20
Either way, Najib is cooked. If the first SD is allowed to exist without be retracted, Najib is perceived guilty. Now that the first SD is retracted with the issuance of the second SD, the guilt on Najib has turned from worse to worst. I can see the nightmare he is having these days and Freddy Kurger has yet to start his rounds.
July 5th, 2008 at 05: 42.16
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July 5th, 2008 at 05: 47.27
UMNO can create more shockwaves..to divert our attentions.from the main issue.
I have never seen such loving husband and wife angels from heaven..ignoring..one…accusing the wife is a murderer…under oath.
Lets leave the half cracko..Bala alone.
Try that with RPK.
July 5th, 2008 at 07: 19.35
I strongly believe that the 2nd SD was done under “duress”!!! Police is at Najis side….Bala have been well threatened to retract the 1st SD. There is no justice in Malaysia -> Who is in power and he controls everything, more like a dictator!!!!
July 5th, 2008 at 07: 51.47
Angkatan Muda Keadilan (AMK) yesterday lodged a police report against Bala for retracting all allegations he made against Najis.
AMK leader Shamsul Iskandar Mohd Akin lodged the report at the Dang Wangi police station at 3pm to call on the police to investigate whether Bala had been forced to make the retraction.
July 5th, 2008 at 07: 57.44
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