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		<title>By: imranj78</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/question-on-ketuanankedaulatan-melayu/#comment-114587</link>
		<dc:creator>imranj78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bangsa Malaysia is still very far off for as long as we have divisive systems. 

NEP should be for all who needs it, not only for Bumis. There should not be any more schools based on race - no more chinese schools, no more indian schools. All should be national schools to promote national unity. National schools should continue to be strengthen. Much more to do, but these two as a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bangsa Malaysia is still very far off for as long as we have divisive systems. </p>
<p>NEP should be for all who needs it, not only for Bumis. There should not be any more schools based on race - no more chinese schools, no more indian schools. All should be national schools to promote national unity. National schools should continue to be strengthen. Much more to do, but these two as a start.</p>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/question-on-ketuanankedaulatan-melayu/#comment-114070</link>
		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again please let good sense prevail.

Nothing ought to be a licence to do as one pleases, and this includes 'ketuanan' or whatever.

'Ketuanan' melayu...well...where is it stated in our constitution that there is such a thing as 'ketuanan' melayu?

No one has a right to be overbearing..to lord over another.

Doesn't our constitution espouses equality? If so, why the question of one having more right than the others? Don't make a mockery of the federal constitution.

And let's differentiate between political rights and other activity-related situations in the country.

Firstly, how could the various races own proportionately equal wealth? Unless this is done through intervention (rightlly or wrongly), it is not achievable at all. We know that wealth is attained through economic activities. The chinese had been very industrious through mostly their own effort and toil and sweat. What wrong had they committed to have achieved success through their effort? Why have to set quota and restriction to allow the rest, who don't put in the required effort, to achieved what the chinese had?

The government can certainly put in place policies to help those who need assistance, but not at the expense of restricting the progress the others. So many years of detrimental selective protective policies and the 'blokade' has not been lifted.

Where are we headed? The government knows that its policies had an impact on holding back the progress of the chinese, but do not quite admit it, in the guise of the having increased the size of the pie to be shared damong the various ethnic groups.

A lot of chinese are suffering, do they but know it.

'Ketuanan' does not give anybody any right to come up with discriminatory policies to to sideline anyone. Don't claim that the country is practising democracy if those policies are practised.

Polarisation would not rear its ugly head if there is no discrimination.The common rakyat are crying to be heard. But their cries are not heard, and not meant to be heard?

Well, again 'ketuanan' is not a licence to do as one wishes. It should not exists at all. I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again please let good sense prevail.</p>
<p>Nothing ought to be a licence to do as one pleases, and this includes &#8216;ketuanan&#8217; or whatever.</p>
<p>&#8216;Ketuanan&#8217; melayu&#8230;well&#8230;where is it stated in our constitution that there is such a thing as &#8216;ketuanan&#8217; melayu?</p>
<p>No one has a right to be overbearing..to lord over another.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t our constitution espouses equality? If so, why the question of one having more right than the others? Don&#8217;t make a mockery of the federal constitution.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s differentiate between political rights and other activity-related situations in the country.</p>
<p>Firstly, how could the various races own proportionately equal wealth? Unless this is done through intervention (rightlly or wrongly), it is not achievable at all. We know that wealth is attained through economic activities. The chinese had been very industrious through mostly their own effort and toil and sweat. What wrong had they committed to have achieved success through their effort? Why have to set quota and restriction to allow the rest, who don&#8217;t put in the required effort, to achieved what the chinese had?</p>
<p>The government can certainly put in place policies to help those who need assistance, but not at the expense of restricting the progress the others. So many years of detrimental selective protective policies and the &#8216;blokade&#8217; has not been lifted.</p>
<p>Where are we headed? The government knows that its policies had an impact on holding back the progress of the chinese, but do not quite admit it, in the guise of the having increased the size of the pie to be shared damong the various ethnic groups.</p>
<p>A lot of chinese are suffering, do they but know it.</p>
<p>&#8216;Ketuanan&#8217; does not give anybody any right to come up with discriminatory policies to to sideline anyone. Don&#8217;t claim that the country is practising democracy if those policies are practised.</p>
<p>Polarisation would not rear its ugly head if there is no discrimination.The common rakyat are crying to be heard. But their cries are not heard, and not meant to be heard?</p>
<p>Well, again &#8216;ketuanan&#8217; is not a licence to do as one wishes. It should not exists at all. I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Barisan Rakyat</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/question-on-ketuanankedaulatan-melayu/#comment-113522</link>
		<dc:creator>Barisan Rakyat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no 'KETUANAN MELAYU'. KETUANAN MELAYU is only UMNO propaganda. UMNO is not fighting for the 'BUMIPUTRA' their actual fight is only for 'KETUANAN UMNOPUTRA'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no &#8216;KETUANAN MELAYU&#8217;. KETUANAN MELAYU is only UMNO propaganda. UMNO is not fighting for the &#8216;BUMIPUTRA&#8217; their actual fight is only for &#8216;KETUANAN UMNOPUTRA&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/question-on-ketuanankedaulatan-melayu/#comment-113398</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shamsul Anuar:

You called me "insolent" for branding UMNO as a den of thieves.  You say it is due to poor upbringing.  Let me ask you (and any UMNOputra reading this) the following:

1.  Did you call Kerismuddin "insolent" when he waved his keris?  Did you say that the UMNO Youth exco had poor upbringing when they asked Kerismuddin when he was going to use the keris ?

2.  Did you call Bung Mokhtar or Mohd Said "insolent" when they called a lady MP as "bocor" ?

3.  Did you call Ali Rustam "insolent" when he said that Melaka doesn't need the Chinese or Indians ?

4.  Do you label KJ and Azeez as being of poor upbringing when they support the mat rempits, many of whom are involved in criminal activities ?

5.  Did you label the late Zakaria Mat Deros as being of poor upbringing when he chased his satay competitors out of business, and alienated land for his own family ?

Let me tell you something.  UMNO knows who I am, and where I am.  They can always make a police report or ask their lawyers to sue me for slander.  But they won't.  They won't because the list of UMNO's crimes are so long that it will take months to chronicle them. 

Shame on you, supporter of thieves, liars and cheats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamsul Anuar:</p>
<p>You called me &#8220;insolent&#8221; for branding UMNO as a den of thieves.  You say it is due to poor upbringing.  Let me ask you (and any UMNOputra reading this) the following:</p>
<p>1.  Did you call Kerismuddin &#8220;insolent&#8221; when he waved his keris?  Did you say that the UMNO Youth exco had poor upbringing when they asked Kerismuddin when he was going to use the keris ?</p>
<p>2.  Did you call Bung Mokhtar or Mohd Said &#8220;insolent&#8221; when they called a lady MP as &#8220;bocor&#8221; ?</p>
<p>3.  Did you call Ali Rustam &#8220;insolent&#8221; when he said that Melaka doesn&#8217;t need the Chinese or Indians ?</p>
<p>4.  Do you label KJ and Azeez as being of poor upbringing when they support the mat rempits, many of whom are involved in criminal activities ?</p>
<p>5.  Did you label the late Zakaria Mat Deros as being of poor upbringing when he chased his satay competitors out of business, and alienated land for his own family ?</p>
<p>Let me tell you something.  UMNO knows who I am, and where I am.  They can always make a police report or ask their lawyers to sue me for slander.  But they won&#8217;t.  They won&#8217;t because the list of UMNO&#8217;s crimes are so long that it will take months to chronicle them. </p>
<p>Shame on you, supporter of thieves, liars and cheats.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/question-on-ketuanankedaulatan-melayu/#comment-113333</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If UMNO had wanted to marginalize non Malays, it would have done that long time ago."

Can you hear us rolling about on the floor right now in uncontrollable laughter ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If UMNO had wanted to marginalize non Malays, it would have done that long time ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you hear us rolling about on the floor right now in uncontrollable laughter ?</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/question-on-ketuanankedaulatan-melayu/#comment-113326</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shamsul Anuar:

Stealing is not an unprintable word.  Stealing is a hard habit to break, but break it we must.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamsul Anuar:</p>
<p>Stealing is not an unprintable word.  Stealing is a hard habit to break, but break it we must.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/question-on-ketuanankedaulatan-melayu/#comment-113325</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"For example, reading from Godfather make one wonder whether all Vice Chancellors are idiots. He ( known for being insolent and I guess A matter of lack of good breeding) said that A Vice Chancellors must “bodek” UMNO thieves. "

Says the UMNOputra Shamsul Anuar.

Yes, if there is true meritocracy, ALL the vice Chancellors of the local universities will NOT be in their present posts.  This is not a racial comment, for there could be better Malay candidates than those currently in their posts.  For example, I rever Ungku Aziz.

And YES, those in the current posts are kaki bodek for the den of thieves known as UMNO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For example, reading from Godfather make one wonder whether all Vice Chancellors are idiots. He ( known for being insolent and I guess A matter of lack of good breeding) said that A Vice Chancellors must “bodek” UMNO thieves. &#8221;</p>
<p>Says the UMNOputra Shamsul Anuar.</p>
<p>Yes, if there is true meritocracy, ALL the vice Chancellors of the local universities will NOT be in their present posts.  This is not a racial comment, for there could be better Malay candidates than those currently in their posts.  For example, I rever Ungku Aziz.</p>
<p>And YES, those in the current posts are kaki bodek for the den of thieves known as UMNO.</p>
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		<title>By: shamshul anuar</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/question-on-ketuanankedaulatan-melayu/#comment-113234</link>
		<dc:creator>shamshul anuar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lim Kit Siang,

I am amused with your question to the PM. Of course, I am not denying the validity of the question. Indeed, it is very pertinent.

Racial remarks are on the rise. Perhaps you are not aware that many feel you and your party you control also play with racial cards. Not believing me? You played up the issue of Sekolah Wawasan and scared away the Chinese community with lies that it is the first step in abolishment of vernacular schools.

You played with racial sentiments over transfer of A Chinese School in Damamsara several years ago. 

You played the sentiments by saying that a vote to MCA is a vote to UMNO( hence supporting UMNO's supremacy in Malaysian politics).

You did not say anything when Dr Kua of your DAP party published a review on May 13 that put the blame squarely on the Malays. When I told my non Malay friends on insult hurled on Malays during the sad episode, my remarks were met with silence. Then the usual remarks were then made. We never hear that part , they said.  

You are silent over numerous incidents of unfair treatment to Malays in private sectors. 

You never remind those who participate here on the importance of mannerism when they hurled unprintable words to UMNO, Malays or whatever the Malays cherish. For example, reading from Godfather make one wonder whether all Vice Chancellors are idiots. He ( known for being insolent and I guess A matter of lack of good breeding) said that A Vice Chancellors must "bodek" UMNO thieves. 

As for bystanders, If UMNO had wanted to marginalize non Malays, it would have done that long time ago. What chance , pray God( if you believe one) that you have again a political party that at once controlled almost 70% of seats in Parliament.

At its strongest time, it never terrorize non Malays. It still allowed the mind boggling practice( the rarity in this world) by allowing non Malays to win in Malay majority areas . 

Yes Sir racism is alive in this world and in your heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lim Kit Siang,</p>
<p>I am amused with your question to the PM. Of course, I am not denying the validity of the question. Indeed, it is very pertinent.</p>
<p>Racial remarks are on the rise. Perhaps you are not aware that many feel you and your party you control also play with racial cards. Not believing me? You played up the issue of Sekolah Wawasan and scared away the Chinese community with lies that it is the first step in abolishment of vernacular schools.</p>
<p>You played with racial sentiments over transfer of A Chinese School in Damamsara several years ago. </p>
<p>You played the sentiments by saying that a vote to MCA is a vote to UMNO( hence supporting UMNO&#8217;s supremacy in Malaysian politics).</p>
<p>You did not say anything when Dr Kua of your DAP party published a review on May 13 that put the blame squarely on the Malays. When I told my non Malay friends on insult hurled on Malays during the sad episode, my remarks were met with silence. Then the usual remarks were then made. We never hear that part , they said.  </p>
<p>You are silent over numerous incidents of unfair treatment to Malays in private sectors. </p>
<p>You never remind those who participate here on the importance of mannerism when they hurled unprintable words to UMNO, Malays or whatever the Malays cherish. For example, reading from Godfather make one wonder whether all Vice Chancellors are idiots. He ( known for being insolent and I guess A matter of lack of good breeding) said that A Vice Chancellors must &#8220;bodek&#8221; UMNO thieves. </p>
<p>As for bystanders, If UMNO had wanted to marginalize non Malays, it would have done that long time ago. What chance , pray God( if you believe one) that you have again a political party that at once controlled almost 70% of seats in Parliament.</p>
<p>At its strongest time, it never terrorize non Malays. It still allowed the mind boggling practice( the rarity in this world) by allowing non Malays to win in Malay majority areas . </p>
<p>Yes Sir racism is alive in this world and in your heart.</p>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/question-on-ketuanankedaulatan-melayu/#comment-113168</link>
		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religions are not possesed by anybody or any group of people. Because the one true God is the God of all humanity, no one can lay claim to 'own' Him. We all belong to Him.

So to say that because such and such a religion is what they profess, then they have the sole right to teach and even 'own' and 'posses' it is erroneous. So there is no question of anyone protecting the religion from anybody else. It is just the individual and the religion. It is personal. It is religion which is protecting the people, not otherwise.

Religions encourage people to learn about them. Discussing about a religion, its teachings, and questioning about them are methods of learning about it. How could there be learning if there are no questioning? No one has a monopoly over the religion they profess. They cannot question anyone who is questioning it in the course of learning. Questioning should not be equated with disrespect.

To make a religion a 'state religion' is just a preference, an inclination. In fact there is no such thing as a 'state religion'. It should not be imposed on anybody. God does not impose, He encourages seeking and learning. If God does not impose, who are people to do so? The choice rests with the individual him/herself.

Let's not be overzealous. I think the wise know about this. 

We have to move away from erroneous man-made rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religions are not possesed by anybody or any group of people. Because the one true God is the God of all humanity, no one can lay claim to &#8216;own&#8217; Him. We all belong to Him.</p>
<p>So to say that because such and such a religion is what they profess, then they have the sole right to teach and even &#8216;own&#8217; and &#8216;posses&#8217; it is erroneous. So there is no question of anyone protecting the religion from anybody else. It is just the individual and the religion. It is personal. It is religion which is protecting the people, not otherwise.</p>
<p>Religions encourage people to learn about them. Discussing about a religion, its teachings, and questioning about them are methods of learning about it. How could there be learning if there are no questioning? No one has a monopoly over the religion they profess. They cannot question anyone who is questioning it in the course of learning. Questioning should not be equated with disrespect.</p>
<p>To make a religion a &#8217;state religion&#8217; is just a preference, an inclination. In fact there is no such thing as a &#8217;state religion&#8217;. It should not be imposed on anybody. God does not impose, He encourages seeking and learning. If God does not impose, who are people to do so? The choice rests with the individual him/herself.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not be overzealous. I think the wise know about this. </p>
<p>We have to move away from erroneous man-made rules.</p>
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