Comments on: Agony of foreign spouses for PR - the worst cases http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/ for Malaysia Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:47:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: kiren http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-118780 kiren Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:57:19 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-118780 im also one of those whom are suffering in this stupid government ruling in malaysia!! before i got married to my husband .. i would say that i was a blind women living in malaysia. my husband is a european , he came to m.sia many times , he loved malaysia as a tourist.. but i was stupid enough that i didnt explain to him abt this bureaucratically annoyingly government treatment towards expatriates !! we left europe is due to mie... i couldnt live in cold climate. he left everything in europe juz for mie.. thinking that i will be happier and healthier here!!! BUT TO OUR DISMAY!! its million times worse than europe's climate!! sometimes i think that i made a BIG mistake by coming back to malaysia!! Many ppl have told mie this before, they told mie to go back to europe or worse to worst stay in singapore!. the suffering that my husband is going through .. i couldnt see it!! there are so many things that happen...!! can you imagine.. i cald the immigration department to ask something abt PR and the 1st thing the lady asked mie was ( " cik name siape?" ) or the other day the man asked mie ( " cik muslim ke non- muslim?) i asked them .. what is the difference? malaysian is a malaysian ...y yu ask mie this question../? im not dealing with syahriah court..they f no answer to that instead they told mie its just a routine question .. WAT!!!! routine question to ask someone,s race !!!! let mie answer for them.. because i can speak good malay.. so .. to confirm im not or i am a malay.. they ask mie this questions!! remember ppl... wen you cald a government offices .. if they ask you ur name ... its not because of customer service.. but its because of... (bumiputra benefits!). as others my husband doesnt get any benefits of marrying mie here.. huh!! his country rights are so much million times better than us.. can you imagine how is going tru! there was even in the immigration department in putrajaya... they dunt speak english... my husband ask them questions.. and they look at mie and and answer in malay!! is this your way of pulling expatriates .. lets face this.. not every malaysian are smart and intelligent.. BLAME the education system.. so ppl from outside .. means ppl like engineers or doctors or lecturers from overseas wants to help us by working in our country..( whom are married to malaysian ) are treated like a big SHIT!!! my husband has a professional degree in engineering... and they ask him .. why you follow your wife to malaysia ..??!! your wife should follow you to your country!! - this was asked by the immigration department ( putrajaya) officer!! ( only one sentence of english and very rudely spoken) .. can you imagine this!!.. to dear mr lim kiat siang... i really hope you can do something.. abt all this matters once the government is toppled!! im just waiting for it.... its not for mie.. but for everyone... every malaysian...you never know in future who is gonna marry which foreigner..and next who is gonna stand in that unlucky line. at the end of the day.. i myself told my husband lets leave this country... no future for us.. can you imagine how our children going to go tru...i had enough seeing my husband suffering.. i dunt want my children to suffer in future... ( this country is worse than africa... to mie it seems more like apatite's system but done under the blanket!) im also one of those whom are suffering in this stupid government ruling in malaysia!! before i got married to my husband .. i would say that i was a blind women living in malaysia. my husband is a european , he came to m.sia many times , he loved malaysia as a tourist.. but i was stupid enough that i didnt explain to him abt this bureaucratically annoyingly government treatment towards expatriates !! we left europe is due to mie… i couldnt live in cold climate. he left everything in europe juz for mie.. thinking that i will be happier and healthier here!!! BUT TO OUR DISMAY!! its million times worse than europe’s climate!! sometimes i think that i made a BIG mistake by coming back to malaysia!! Many ppl have told mie this before, they told mie to go back to europe or worse to worst stay in singapore!. the suffering that my husband is going through .. i couldnt see it!! there are so many things that happen…!! can you imagine.. i cald the immigration department to ask something abt PR and the 1st thing the lady asked mie was ( ” cik name siape?” ) or the other day the man asked mie ( ” cik muslim ke non- muslim?) i asked them .. what is the difference? malaysian is a malaysian …y yu ask mie this question../? im not dealing with syahriah court..they f no answer to that instead they told mie its just a routine question .. WAT!!!! routine question to ask someone,s race !!!! let mie answer for them.. because i can speak good malay.. so .. to confirm im not or i am a malay.. they ask mie this questions!! remember ppl… wen you cald a government offices .. if they ask you ur name … its not because of customer service.. but its because of… (bumiputra benefits!). as others my husband doesnt get any benefits of marrying mie here.. huh!! his country rights are so much million times better than us.. can you imagine how is going tru! there was even in the immigration department in putrajaya… they dunt speak english… my husband ask them questions.. and they look at mie and and answer in malay!! is this your way of pulling expatriates .. lets face this.. not every malaysian are smart and intelligent.. BLAME the education system.. so ppl from outside .. means ppl like engineers or doctors or lecturers from overseas wants to help us by working in our country..( whom are married to malaysian ) are treated like a big SHIT!!! my husband has a professional degree in engineering… and they ask him .. why you follow your wife to malaysia ..??!! your wife should follow you to your country!! - this was asked by the immigration department ( putrajaya) officer!! ( only one sentence of english and very rudely spoken) .. can you imagine this!!..
to dear mr lim kiat siang… i really hope you can do something.. abt all this matters once the government is toppled!! im just waiting for it…. its not for mie.. but for everyone… every malaysian…you never know in future who is gonna marry which foreigner..and next who is gonna stand in that unlucky line. at the end of the day.. i myself told my husband lets leave this country… no future for us.. can you imagine how our children going to go tru…i had enough seeing my husband suffering.. i dunt want my children to suffer in future… ( this country is worse than africa… to mie it seems more like apatite’s system but done under the blanket!)

]]> By: julian http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-115769 julian Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:12:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-115769 undergrad2 Being married to a Malaysian gives no right of abode, no right to work, no right to a PR, no right of entry, or anything. It only gives the right to apply for a 'Spouse pass', which is a glorified tourist visa. A foreign spouse *cannot* stay here without a visa. I speak from experience, being one myself. undergrad2

Being married to a Malaysian gives no right of abode, no right to work, no right to a PR, no right of entry, or anything. It only gives the right to apply for a ‘Spouse pass’, which is a glorified tourist visa. A foreign spouse *cannot* stay here without a visa.

I speak from experience, being one myself.

]]> By: tonysam18 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-115742 tonysam18 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:01:19 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-115742 Dear MGR and Ablastine and all those who are facing the brick wall in your application for PR in Malaysia . Let me tell you . You all have got the wrong approach to apply for the PR for your spouse. Do you still remember the 2004 Asian Tsumani ? An Indonesian fisherman who was found drifting in a rickity raft was rescued by a Port Klang bound container vessel. When asked later from his hospital as to what was his wish, he replied that he would like to stay and work in Malaysia legally and was granted PR on the spot without any application paper even submitted. Most of my Malaysian friends who have British and Australian wives who are qualified doctors are not granted PR. The moral of this history is : to apply for PR in Malaysia, you must take a rickity raft and sail along the Straits of Malacca and wait for a Malaysian bound vessel to pick you up. Then you must declare that you are an Indonesian and would like to work and stay in Malaysia. Presto, you will be granted PR on the spot. Always remember : Money first , then things then people . Now you stay safe. Dear MGR and Ablastine and all those who are facing the brick wall in your application for PR in Malaysia .

Let me tell you . You all have got the wrong approach to apply for the PR for your spouse.

Do you still remember the 2004 Asian Tsumani ? An Indonesian fisherman who was found drifting in a rickity raft was rescued by a Port Klang bound container vessel. When asked later from his hospital as to what was his wish, he replied that he would like to stay and work in Malaysia legally and was granted PR on the spot without any application paper even submitted. Most of my Malaysian friends who have British and Australian wives who are qualified doctors are not granted PR.

The moral of this history is : to apply for PR in Malaysia, you must take a rickity raft and sail along the Straits of Malacca and wait for a Malaysian bound vessel to pick you up. Then you must declare that you are an Indonesian and would like to work and stay in Malaysia. Presto, you will be granted PR on the spot.

Always remember : Money first , then things then people . Now you stay safe.

]]> By: shaxx http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113677 shaxx Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:30:06 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113677 undergrad2, I don't know when was that bust somehow that is no longer the case now.... undergrad2, I don’t know when was that bust somehow that is no longer the case now….

]]> By: clearwater http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113661 clearwater Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:43:44 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113661 I would like to hear from our Malay and Muslim fellow citizens as to what their experience is with PR for their foreign spouses. Particularly in the case of students who studied abroad, met their spouse while studying, graduated and married a foreign wife. There must be many such cases, given the number of students sent abroad on scholarships and study loans. I personally know one such case but the person did not encounter any ordeal, wife just fulfilled the residential criteria and was granted PR. Unfortunately, the marriage did not last and she returned to her country of birth. I would like to hear from our Malay and Muslim fellow citizens as to what their experience is with PR for their foreign spouses. Particularly in the case of students who studied abroad, met their spouse while studying, graduated and married a foreign wife. There must be many such cases, given the number of students sent abroad on scholarships and study loans. I personally know one such case but the person did not encounter any ordeal, wife just fulfilled the residential criteria and was granted PR. Unfortunately, the marriage did not last and she returned to her country of birth.

]]> By: cheng on soo http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113640 cheng on soo Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:59:05 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113640 Even in Brunei, they are only very strict to grant citizenship (almost impossible !), but they grant PR to foreign spouses of their citizens much easier than Msia. Even in Brunei, they are only very strict to grant citizenship (almost impossible !), but they grant PR to foreign spouses of their citizens much easier than Msia.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113600 undergrad2 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:26:09 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113600 make that KL instead of "Malaysia" make that KL instead of “Malaysia”

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113599 undergrad2 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:25:37 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113599 "Can you please advice me on how,whom and where to approach to seek legal representation as suggested by you." MGR There are so many lawyers in Malaysia today and if you reside in Malaysia you must have heard of the joke that if you were to throw a stone up in the air when walking in the vicinity of Medan Pasar, it would land on a lawyer's head! “Can you please advice me on how,whom and where to approach to
seek legal representation as suggested by you.” MGR

There are so many lawyers in Malaysia today and if you reside in Malaysia you must have heard of the joke that if you were to throw a stone up in the air when walking in the vicinity of Medan Pasar, it would land on a lawyer’s head!

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113597 undergrad2 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:19:36 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/27/agony-of-foreign-spouses-for-pr-the-worst-cases/#comment-113597 Well, shaxx perhaps I should have mentioned to you that that was my personal experience and the law then could be different from the law today. I can only say that the procedures now in place and perhaps also the law in Malaysia today appears not to be in accord with international standards. In my case I just had to convert her status to that of a PR and within two years after an interview with Special Branch she was granted PR status. She didn't want to apply for Malaysian citizenship choosing instead to remain a foreign national with rights to permanent residence in Malaysia. She has since abandoned that right. Well, shaxx perhaps I should have mentioned to you that that was my personal experience and the law then could be different from the law today.

I can only say that the procedures now in place and perhaps also the law in Malaysia today appears not to be in accord with international standards. In my case I just had to convert her status to that of a PR and within two years after an interview with Special Branch she was granted PR status. She didn’t want to apply for Malaysian citizenship choosing instead to remain a foreign national with rights to permanent residence in Malaysia. She has since abandoned that right.

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