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	<title>Comments on: PAS, Don’t fall for UMNO’s Trap!</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shamshul anuar</title>
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		<dc:creator>shamshul anuar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Farish,

I refer to your statement that said UMNO lost all Malay majority areas in West Coast of Peninsular Malaysia. With due respect to you, please do some fact finding first.

Need I remind you that UMNO won in many Malay majority areas such as Sepang, Kubang Pasu, Pasir Salak, Lenggong, Kepala Batas, Larut, Padang Rengas, Kuala Pilah, and many others.

The truth is that the political party that you really cherish , DAP, has been playing with racial sentiments by scaring away non Malays with regards to Keris issue. I saw the speech by Hishamuddin. At no time, he tried to intimidate non Malays or playing to the gallery.

May I humbly remind you of what Raja Muda of Perak said 2 days ago in Kuala Kangsar. I mean no disrespect but I found that you are not being fair no UMNO.

As for Alenath, religion and race are 2 potent forces. Perhaps you will know what PAS is all about. In the previous election, PAS openly distributed "risalah" reminding Muslims that it is haram to vote for non Muslim candidate. Yes Sir. It happened in the constituent where the current Menteri Besar of Perak won. His opponent is from MIC.

PAS talks about Islamic state. But its actions is nothing but Islamic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Farish,</p>
<p>I refer to your statement that said UMNO lost all Malay majority areas in West Coast of Peninsular Malaysia. With due respect to you, please do some fact finding first.</p>
<p>Need I remind you that UMNO won in many Malay majority areas such as Sepang, Kubang Pasu, Pasir Salak, Lenggong, Kepala Batas, Larut, Padang Rengas, Kuala Pilah, and many others.</p>
<p>The truth is that the political party that you really cherish , DAP, has been playing with racial sentiments by scaring away non Malays with regards to Keris issue. I saw the speech by Hishamuddin. At no time, he tried to intimidate non Malays or playing to the gallery.</p>
<p>May I humbly remind you of what Raja Muda of Perak said 2 days ago in Kuala Kangsar. I mean no disrespect but I found that you are not being fair no UMNO.</p>
<p>As for Alenath, religion and race are 2 potent forces. Perhaps you will know what PAS is all about. In the previous election, PAS openly distributed &#8220;risalah&#8221; reminding Muslims that it is haram to vote for non Muslim candidate. Yes Sir. It happened in the constituent where the current Menteri Besar of Perak won. His opponent is from MIC.</p>
<p>PAS talks about Islamic state. But its actions is nothing but Islamic.</p>
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		<title>By: alaneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>alaneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before the GE, I see everybody wanting to 'team-up' voting for PAS, saying that PAS is still OK to vote.... no problem with Islam, no problem as PAS is not into it's Islamic agenda.

But I see PAS is still the Islamic Tiger in sheepskin. I voiced out strongly in this blog against PAS's hidden agenda &#38; for DAP &#38; PKR to go alone or even DAP to go solo!

Now 100 days after the GE, you see what I said is true!!!

Now in this blog everybody lashing out at PAS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the GE, I see everybody wanting to &#8216;team-up&#8217; voting for PAS, saying that PAS is still OK to vote&#8230;. no problem with Islam, no problem as PAS is not into it&#8217;s Islamic agenda.</p>
<p>But I see PAS is still the Islamic Tiger in sheepskin. I voiced out strongly in this blog against PAS&#8217;s hidden agenda &amp; for DAP &amp; PKR to go alone or even DAP to go solo!</p>
<p>Now 100 days after the GE, you see what I said is true!!!</p>
<p>Now in this blog everybody lashing out at PAS!</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More like an IQ of 70.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More like an IQ of 70.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone with a TOEFL score of 250?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone with a TOEFL score of 250?</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Godfather Says: 


Today at 12: 24.32 (6 hours ago) 
Folks, we have bigger fish to fry, so I suggest that you guys adopt the Beatles’ “Let It Be”.


I am here to share my thoughts with others and hope in the exchange we all could learn something new each day. It is very distracting when someone insists on putting words into your mouth, deliberately manipulating your remarks to suit his needs so he could go on his  usual tirade. If I were to keep quiet then it will stick.




We do not need to go further than to ask this question:


What sort of person is he who chooses to rely on what is purportedly  implied when there are clear written expressions to the contrary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godfather Says: </p>
<p>Today at 12: 24.32 (6 hours ago)<br />
Folks, we have bigger fish to fry, so I suggest that you guys adopt the Beatles’ “Let It Be”.</p>
<p>I am here to share my thoughts with others and hope in the exchange we all could learn something new each day. It is very distracting when someone insists on putting words into your mouth, deliberately manipulating your remarks to suit his needs so he could go on his  usual tirade. If I were to keep quiet then it will stick.</p>
<p>We do not need to go further than to ask this question:</p>
<p>What sort of person is he who chooses to rely on what is purportedly  implied when there are clear written expressions to the contrary?</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This is where you and I differ, undergrad 2.You haven’t succeeded in persuading me that Malaysia will NEVER BE AND CAN NEVER BE AN ISLAMIC STATE." AhPek




That's right! Please tell the resident gatekeeper that was what I said and in unequivocal terms too! It is just a bare assertion, however, on my part and is not meant to be anything more than that. It is not meant to convince anybody.



Like I said earlier, time is better spent in dealing with the current problems rather than speculate on what is to come say in the next five decades - especially when that helps to avoid the semantics of what is really an Islamic state etc.  Allowing for  the possibility of an Islamic state of whatever strain or form replacing the present secular government with its state religion (personally I prefer the term ‘official’ religion as I think the term ‘state’ would put it one notch higher than it really is) in the immediate foreseeable future or not so immediate foreseeable future, the fact that Islamic values have for years now permeated and are permeating almost every aspect of the lives of non-Muslims today is enough to convince many of us Malaysians to get out and stay out. It is that intrusive socially compared to the 1960s – we are not dealing with the political and the economic yet. 



I do not know if we have anything that we could call Malaysia’s foreign policy but if we do then the influence of  Islamic  values, would leave no small mark. There is a marked increase in anti U.S. sentiment since the invasion of Iraq.  I used the case of Christian evangelicalism and its influence over U.S. foreign policy as an example of how religion could exert its influence in an area commonly regarded as secular.



Yes, you’re right. It is hardly a convincing argument that Malaysia will not become an Islamic whatever that is. In my opinion, time is better spent in discussing the influence Islam has over government policies today. Let’s not wait for the coming of the Islamic state. Some may say it is already here i.e. Malaysia is already half an Islamic state and a full Islamic state with shariah law replacing the secular civil law based on the English common law, is impossible because of the  sizeable non-Muslim minority. 



Non-Muslims non-Malays are packing up, making plans for a life elsewhere as we speak if they’ve not already done so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is where you and I differ, undergrad 2.You haven’t succeeded in persuading me that Malaysia will NEVER BE AND CAN NEVER BE AN ISLAMIC STATE.&#8221; AhPek</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right! Please tell the resident gatekeeper that was what I said and in unequivocal terms too! It is just a bare assertion, however, on my part and is not meant to be anything more than that. It is not meant to convince anybody.</p>
<p>Like I said earlier, time is better spent in dealing with the current problems rather than speculate on what is to come say in the next five decades - especially when that helps to avoid the semantics of what is really an Islamic state etc.  Allowing for  the possibility of an Islamic state of whatever strain or form replacing the present secular government with its state religion (personally I prefer the term ‘official’ religion as I think the term ‘state’ would put it one notch higher than it really is) in the immediate foreseeable future or not so immediate foreseeable future, the fact that Islamic values have for years now permeated and are permeating almost every aspect of the lives of non-Muslims today is enough to convince many of us Malaysians to get out and stay out. It is that intrusive socially compared to the 1960s – we are not dealing with the political and the economic yet. </p>
<p>I do not know if we have anything that we could call Malaysia’s foreign policy but if we do then the influence of  Islamic  values, would leave no small mark. There is a marked increase in anti U.S. sentiment since the invasion of Iraq.  I used the case of Christian evangelicalism and its influence over U.S. foreign policy as an example of how religion could exert its influence in an area commonly regarded as secular.</p>
<p>Yes, you’re right. It is hardly a convincing argument that Malaysia will not become an Islamic whatever that is. In my opinion, time is better spent in discussing the influence Islam has over government policies today. Let’s not wait for the coming of the Islamic state. Some may say it is already here i.e. Malaysia is already half an Islamic state and a full Islamic state with shariah law replacing the secular civil law based on the English common law, is impossible because of the  sizeable non-Muslim minority. </p>
<p>Non-Muslims non-Malays are packing up, making plans for a life elsewhere as we speak if they’ve not already done so.</p>
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		<title>By: cheng on soo</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheng on soo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this fast changing world, when one talks about says, 30 years from now, anything can happen, so don't be so sure to state that Malaysia will NEVER BE AND CAN NEVER BE AN ISLAMIC STATE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this fast changing world, when one talks about says, 30 years from now, anything can happen, so don&#8217;t be so sure to state that Malaysia will NEVER BE AND CAN NEVER BE AN ISLAMIC STATE.</p>
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		<title>By: AhPek</title>
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		<dc:creator>AhPek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know, I am sure about creative accounting but I am now beginning to realise there are also creative debaters arriving in our midst in Unkle Lim's blog!

"Correct me if I am wrong.It is believed that Malaysia's is on track to become an Islamic state if it is not already one now-much like Marx's dialectical materialism, an air of inevitability.May we know the foundation of that belief?".

First I'll start by saying that my starting remarks have no referance whatsoever to you.I find in you a learned man ever careful in choosing words carefully and most of your arguments are pretty persuasive and forceful.

Whilst I cast doubt on your assertion that Malaysia is never (that's a pretty strong word) going to be an Islamic State,it does not immediately suggest that I am asserting the opposite direction ie Malaysia will certainly become an Islamic State although I must add that I am not disinclined to object to the possibility that Malaysia could become one in the future.Becoming an Islamic State or a communist state for that matter is a number game.If enough people root for it, it will become.Islam Religion is always for the establishment of an Islamic state and it will advocate any means to achieve that ie whether by incremental steps or by deception (come what may). Lee Wan Yan has written about this at length and Jeffrey's ' boiling the frog' syndrome.Their arguments certainly have great impact on us to envisage such a possibility.It may not happen in 20 years time but who is to tell it won't in 50 years time.
This is where you and I differ, undergrad 2.You haven't succeeded in persuading me that Malaysia will NEVER BE AND CAN NEVER BE AN ISLAMIC STATE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know, I am sure about creative accounting but I am now beginning to realise there are also creative debaters arriving in our midst in Unkle Lim&#8217;s blog!</p>
<p>&#8220;Correct me if I am wrong.It is believed that Malaysia&#8217;s is on track to become an Islamic state if it is not already one now-much like Marx&#8217;s dialectical materialism, an air of inevitability.May we know the foundation of that belief?&#8221;.</p>
<p>First I&#8217;ll start by saying that my starting remarks have no referance whatsoever to you.I find in you a learned man ever careful in choosing words carefully and most of your arguments are pretty persuasive and forceful.</p>
<p>Whilst I cast doubt on your assertion that Malaysia is never (that&#8217;s a pretty strong word) going to be an Islamic State,it does not immediately suggest that I am asserting the opposite direction ie Malaysia will certainly become an Islamic State although I must add that I am not disinclined to object to the possibility that Malaysia could become one in the future.Becoming an Islamic State or a communist state for that matter is a number game.If enough people root for it, it will become.Islam Religion is always for the establishment of an Islamic state and it will advocate any means to achieve that ie whether by incremental steps or by deception (come what may). Lee Wan Yan has written about this at length and Jeffrey&#8217;s &#8216; boiling the frog&#8217; syndrome.Their arguments certainly have great impact on us to envisage such a possibility.It may not happen in 20 years time but who is to tell it won&#8217;t in 50 years time.<br />
This is where you and I differ, undergrad 2.You haven&#8217;t succeeded in persuading me that Malaysia will NEVER BE AND CAN NEVER BE AN ISLAMIC STATE.</p>
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		<title>By: cheng on soo</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheng on soo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When, one quote the population of a country is nearly 100% this or that. Nearly 100% can means anything from 85% to 99.9% depend in how one interprete it. It is an approximation. When a person say 100%, he usually mean 99% to 100% (unless that person emphasize it, like U)..
Said what U want. I maintained that there is no one country  ( country, not city, village, district, area, community, province etc) in this world that have 100 % (in strict sense, 99.99999 % is not good enough, following your definition) muslim. 
Even if U quote data from any sources that say 100%, (they still means not more than 99.99999% which stlll fail by your definition). muslim in any country (even well known, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Iraq, Bahrain, Qatar, Yemen, Oman, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Libya, Turkey, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Sudan, Somali, Maldives, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kirgizstan, Uzbekistan, etc)
None lah 1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When, one quote the population of a country is nearly 100% this or that. Nearly 100% can means anything from 85% to 99.9% depend in how one interprete it. It is an approximation. When a person say 100%, he usually mean 99% to 100% (unless that person emphasize it, like U)..<br />
Said what U want. I maintained that there is no one country  ( country, not city, village, district, area, community, province etc) in this world that have 100 % (in strict sense, 99.99999 % is not good enough, following your definition) muslim.<br />
Even if U quote data from any sources that say 100%, (they still means not more than 99.99999% which stlll fail by your definition). muslim in any country (even well known, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Iraq, Bahrain, Qatar, Yemen, Oman, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Libya, Turkey, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Sudan, Somali, Maldives, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kirgizstan, Uzbekistan, etc)<br />
None lah 1</p>
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