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	<title>Comments on: Continue Teaching Science and Mathematics in English</title>
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		<title>By: ummahzy</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-112990</link>
		<dc:creator>ummahzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American citizen teaching English in Malaysia, I have witnessed the unfortunate consequences of a policy that seems to have been implemented “without necessary preparation.”  From the start, I have empathized with both the students and the teachers.

CLIL (Content Language Integrated Learning) is now one of the new buzzwords, or acronyms, in English language training. CLIL is teaching subjects such as science, and Mathematics to students through a foreign language (i.e. English in Malaysia). CLIL can be performed by the English teacher using ‘real’ content (i.e. algebra or biology) or the subject teacher using English. Both methods result in the simultaneous learning of content and English.  

The goal is to make the student proficient in both the foreign language and the subject area, for example English plus Math and Science.  To reach this goal, it is necessary for the English teachers to be aware of the areas taught by the subject teachers.  The work of the English teacher should help prepare students to keep pace in the Math and Science class.

I think that with training (of English and content area teachers), Malaysia can produce graduates who are ready for the workforce and able to compete academically and professionally on an international level.

Furthermore, I&#039;d like to use this blogpost as an opportunity to say thank you to Malaysians of all races for accepting me into their classrooms and giving me the privilege of sharing my mother tongue with them.  I came to Malaysia with the intention of staying for two months and have been here for almost four years now.  I stayed because of all the opportunities here for me to work and develop professionally, but especially to help others.   

I hope that the Malaysian authorities will do their part in developing and implementing policies that will make Malaysia a land of opportunity for Malaysians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American citizen teaching English in Malaysia, I have witnessed the unfortunate consequences of a policy that seems to have been implemented “without necessary preparation.”  From the start, I have empathized with both the students and the teachers.</p>
<p>CLIL (Content Language Integrated Learning) is now one of the new buzzwords, or acronyms, in English language training. CLIL is teaching subjects such as science, and Mathematics to students through a foreign language (i.e. English in Malaysia). CLIL can be performed by the English teacher using ‘real’ content (i.e. algebra or biology) or the subject teacher using English. Both methods result in the simultaneous learning of content and English.  </p>
<p>The goal is to make the student proficient in both the foreign language and the subject area, for example English plus Math and Science.  To reach this goal, it is necessary for the English teachers to be aware of the areas taught by the subject teachers.  The work of the English teacher should help prepare students to keep pace in the Math and Science class.</p>
<p>I think that with training (of English and content area teachers), Malaysia can produce graduates who are ready for the workforce and able to compete academically and professionally on an international level.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I&#8217;d like to use this blogpost as an opportunity to say thank you to Malaysians of all races for accepting me into their classrooms and giving me the privilege of sharing my mother tongue with them.  I came to Malaysia with the intention of staying for two months and have been here for almost four years now.  I stayed because of all the opportunities here for me to work and develop professionally, but especially to help others.   </p>
<p>I hope that the Malaysian authorities will do their part in developing and implementing policies that will make Malaysia a land of opportunity for Malaysians!</p>
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		<title>By: trublumsian</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-111604</link>
		<dc:creator>trublumsian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard many ethnic Chinese telling me what they want is an education system like Singapore&#039;s, with a touch of Bahasa added into it. In order to really compete on even keel on the world labor market, Singapore is way ahead in foreseeing and prepping the young minds for it. Now, Malaysia should retain its lingual identity, granted, and whatever school formats the Chinese and Indians are asking for should include ample immersion of the language. Young minds are capable in learning 3 languages in parallel if you allow them. Don&#039;t hold back the inclined and diligent ones just because the less motivated ones can&#039;t keep up. That said, we suspect THAT is exactly what the politicos today are up to, in the name of affirmative action. And speaking of affirmative action, is Malaysia the only country who subscribe to the notion of it being for a majority people??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard many ethnic Chinese telling me what they want is an education system like Singapore&#8217;s, with a touch of Bahasa added into it. In order to really compete on even keel on the world labor market, Singapore is way ahead in foreseeing and prepping the young minds for it. Now, Malaysia should retain its lingual identity, granted, and whatever school formats the Chinese and Indians are asking for should include ample immersion of the language. Young minds are capable in learning 3 languages in parallel if you allow them. Don&#8217;t hold back the inclined and diligent ones just because the less motivated ones can&#8217;t keep up. That said, we suspect THAT is exactly what the politicos today are up to, in the name of affirmative action. And speaking of affirmative action, is Malaysia the only country who subscribe to the notion of it being for a majority people??</p>
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		<title>By: lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i say let the malays study their malay in malay medium schools, let the tamils study in their tamil medium schools and let the chinese study in their chinese medium schools.

And of course let us have the good old english medium schools 
and let their parents decide for themsleves.
The government is there to faciliate that this is want of the people, so be it.

If you are keen to know what about national interest and competitiveness, i say man,it is already in place as a nation, we have people who are multi tongue and it is of internationale repute.

So where is it so difficult for those so call policy makers, dumb or have hidden agendas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i say let the malays study their malay in malay medium schools, let the tamils study in their tamil medium schools and let the chinese study in their chinese medium schools.</p>
<p>And of course let us have the good old english medium schools<br />
and let their parents decide for themsleves.<br />
The government is there to faciliate that this is want of the people, so be it.</p>
<p>If you are keen to know what about national interest and competitiveness, i say man,it is already in place as a nation, we have people who are multi tongue and it is of internationale repute.</p>
<p>So where is it so difficult for those so call policy makers, dumb or have hidden agendas.</p>
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		<title>By: trublumsian</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-111337</link>
		<dc:creator>trublumsian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>typo corrected:

2. A well-oiled engine. A people that is (gulp!) united - concussively (I meant to say conducive-ly)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typo corrected:</p>
<p>2. A well-oiled engine. A people that is (gulp!) united &#8211; concussively (I meant to say conducive-ly)</p>
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		<title>By: trublumsian</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-111336</link>
		<dc:creator>trublumsian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So here&#039;s my story, and folks can tell me what WENT right that can be applied to our once promising country. Ok, or what went wrong..?   :P

Anyways, I split my primary ed years between Singapore and Malaysia (a Chinese school in Seremban). My sec ed was in a Malay school, although I converse with my buddies in Cantonese outside of earshot. I did well in my SPM, but apparently not good enough for a spot in a local U. I got a B3 in Bahasa btw. UCLA took me without me begging, and Berkeley did too when I knocked on their MBA program. No, I&#039;m not rich, I had to pay off loans for 3 years. Nor am I Einstein reincarnated, I just function under a no-free-lunch mentality. Anyhoo, my 4 years in an English/Chinese medium prepped me for life. My sec years were spent learning the maths and sciences in BM. I had no problems adapting them to my college years. You see, teaching these subjects in English is not the cure, but the immersion of English during formative years, IS. Subjecting students to 2, 3, or 4 classes of English or in English will not help much. Providing an environment to speak and use it will. In the past 8 years, I&#039;ve been sent to manage shop by 3 different Fortune 100&#039;s in places like Japan, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mexico, and the UK. I can&#039;t help but attribute that to my ability to speak and write in eloquent English and the many forms of the Chinese language. That, in turn allows one to pick up other languages like Espanol with a little more head start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So here&#8217;s my story, and folks can tell me what WENT right that can be applied to our once promising country. Ok, or what went wrong..?   :P</p>
<p>Anyways, I split my primary ed years between Singapore and Malaysia (a Chinese school in Seremban). My sec ed was in a Malay school, although I converse with my buddies in Cantonese outside of earshot. I did well in my SPM, but apparently not good enough for a spot in a local U. I got a B3 in Bahasa btw. UCLA took me without me begging, and Berkeley did too when I knocked on their MBA program. No, I&#8217;m not rich, I had to pay off loans for 3 years. Nor am I Einstein reincarnated, I just function under a no-free-lunch mentality. Anyhoo, my 4 years in an English/Chinese medium prepped me for life. My sec years were spent learning the maths and sciences in BM. I had no problems adapting them to my college years. You see, teaching these subjects in English is not the cure, but the immersion of English during formative years, IS. Subjecting students to 2, 3, or 4 classes of English or in English will not help much. Providing an environment to speak and use it will. In the past 8 years, I&#8217;ve been sent to manage shop by 3 different Fortune 100&#8242;s in places like Japan, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mexico, and the UK. I can&#8217;t help but attribute that to my ability to speak and write in eloquent English and the many forms of the Chinese language. That, in turn allows one to pick up other languages like Espanol with a little more head start.</p>
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		<title>By: trublumsian</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-111332</link>
		<dc:creator>trublumsian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How bout this for some introspecting on why some countries do well using non-English..... basically, only those who meet 1 of these 2 criteria need apply:

1. Size. A population that is huge will have the opportunity to use critical mass to function wholesome in a cocoon. I.e. China, Japan, and arguably the EU.

2. A well-oiled engine. A people that is (gulp!) united - concussively, mind you - and has a culture of pushing each other to excel will roll, roll, and keep rolling in gathering moss. The system feeds on each other. I.e. Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and arguably the EU. And what is the lingua franca of these countries when they&#039;re ready to explode and impose onto the global market?? No points for guessing English!

So, need Malaysia apply?
: (</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How bout this for some introspecting on why some countries do well using non-English&#8230;.. basically, only those who meet 1 of these 2 criteria need apply:</p>
<p>1. Size. A population that is huge will have the opportunity to use critical mass to function wholesome in a cocoon. I.e. China, Japan, and arguably the EU.</p>
<p>2. A well-oiled engine. A people that is (gulp!) united &#8211; concussively, mind you &#8211; and has a culture of pushing each other to excel will roll, roll, and keep rolling in gathering moss. The system feeds on each other. I.e. Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and arguably the EU. And what is the lingua franca of these countries when they&#8217;re ready to explode and impose onto the global market?? No points for guessing English!</p>
<p>So, need Malaysia apply?<br />
: (</p>
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		<title>By: tourman53</title>
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		<dc:creator>tourman53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The govt. should bring back the English medium schools if they&#039;re really serious about the english knowledge. 
Pls don&#039;t interfere with the chinese school. A solely chinese school means  all subject must be taught in chinese except for languages. That&#039;s why they&#039;re called  Chinese school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The govt. should bring back the English medium schools if they&#8217;re really serious about the english knowledge.<br />
Pls don&#8217;t interfere with the chinese school. A solely chinese school means  all subject must be taught in chinese except for languages. That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re called  Chinese school.</p>
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		<title>By: trublumsian</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-111330</link>
		<dc:creator>trublumsian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kasim Amat et al., you need to get out of the well and smell the coffee out there a little more. Puuhleez, it&#039;s been 50 years we&#039;ve been resigned to a good view of the rear ends of those around us wheezing by. Seriously, you&#039;ve been victimologized for too long buddy! The less unemployables in Malaysia, as a group, has been feeding Victim-unization doses from generation on in a vicious cycle. Here&#039;s a tell-tale symptom -- self fulfilling prophecy without the heart to admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kasim Amat et al., you need to get out of the well and smell the coffee out there a little more. Puuhleez, it&#8217;s been 50 years we&#8217;ve been resigned to a good view of the rear ends of those around us wheezing by. Seriously, you&#8217;ve been victimologized for too long buddy! The less unemployables in Malaysia, as a group, has been feeding Victim-unization doses from generation on in a vicious cycle. Here&#8217;s a tell-tale symptom &#8212; self fulfilling prophecy without the heart to admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: damianmp</title>
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		<dc:creator>damianmp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we combine all the ideas together, we can create miracle. As a trainer of the ETeMS program, I have done all I can to deliver the goods. I have talked for many years on the implementaion of ETeMS since its started in 2002 for year 1 until 2007 for year 6. It is absolutely unfair to anticipate the product because we have just completed the cycle. But, I have made some critical observations that are really bothering me. It is a question of attitude! Unless we change our attitude we&#039;ll never accomplish our objective. It is not really a question of talent or skill because with positive attitude we can achieve our objective. Politicizing this issue does not help while some politicians practise double standard. There are so much to rectify....it will take time to recover the lost glory! My advice is, we have to continue with the program!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we combine all the ideas together, we can create miracle. As a trainer of the ETeMS program, I have done all I can to deliver the goods. I have talked for many years on the implementaion of ETeMS since its started in 2002 for year 1 until 2007 for year 6. It is absolutely unfair to anticipate the product because we have just completed the cycle. But, I have made some critical observations that are really bothering me. It is a question of attitude! Unless we change our attitude we&#8217;ll never accomplish our objective. It is not really a question of talent or skill because with positive attitude we can achieve our objective. Politicizing this issue does not help while some politicians practise double standard. There are so much to rectify&#8230;.it will take time to recover the lost glory! My advice is, we have to continue with the program!!</p>
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		<title>By: kokhaw</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-111266</link>
		<dc:creator>kokhaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, all. I am a new comer. With regards to whether chinese, english or bahasa in teaching, instead of debating base on races or type of school, can we look at another angle base on fact?

Chinese is a very special language which using pictorial wording. I have posted a quite comprehensive discussion and comparison between learning chinese and english in my webpage as follow:-
www.greatians.com/chinese.htm

After read though the article, hopefully, you can understand that why historically and generally, chinese are smarter and good in trading. It is because of the language they practised. 

Majority of humans have the same ability since born, but why certain race of population is smarter. It is because they are trained to become smarter.

Therefore, in stead of debating base on something sentimental and sensitive, why not base on the fact, we choose something good for the future of our children and the country.

Thanks for reading my message and we shall expel forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, all. I am a new comer. With regards to whether chinese, english or bahasa in teaching, instead of debating base on races or type of school, can we look at another angle base on fact?</p>
<p>Chinese is a very special language which using pictorial wording. I have posted a quite comprehensive discussion and comparison between learning chinese and english in my webpage as follow:-<br />
<a href="http://www.greatians.com/chinese.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.greatians.com/chinese.htm</a></p>
<p>After read though the article, hopefully, you can understand that why historically and generally, chinese are smarter and good in trading. It is because of the language they practised. </p>
<p>Majority of humans have the same ability since born, but why certain race of population is smarter. It is because they are trained to become smarter.</p>
<p>Therefore, in stead of debating base on something sentimental and sensitive, why not base on the fact, we choose something good for the future of our children and the country.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading my message and we shall expel forward.</p>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scholarship department who handled and approve the distribution of scholarship still continue to treat non malay as beggar. Rejecting their application even though they earned 13As or giving them inferior offer, it is fortunate these Malay rascist are not the only department in the world handling scholarship. I don&#039;t see many Malay doctor make it, most private hospital like Glen Eagles Medical, Lam Wah Ee, Island Hospital, most of the doctor are chinese or indian (non malay).

I doubt Malay who applied the scholarship really use up the money to pay for school fees or use it to buy motor bike to join the Mat Rempit or Minah Rempit gang on the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scholarship department who handled and approve the distribution of scholarship still continue to treat non malay as beggar. Rejecting their application even though they earned 13As or giving them inferior offer, it is fortunate these Malay rascist are not the only department in the world handling scholarship. I don&#8217;t see many Malay doctor make it, most private hospital like Glen Eagles Medical, Lam Wah Ee, Island Hospital, most of the doctor are chinese or indian (non malay).</p>
<p>I doubt Malay who applied the scholarship really use up the money to pay for school fees or use it to buy motor bike to join the Mat Rempit or Minah Rempit gang on the street.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-111134</link>
		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repost because of typo:

Anak Malaysia, 
Jangan panggil sendiri anak Malaysia kalau PR sahaja, faham? Tidak boleh undi pun. Beli petrol pun tak dapat rebate, nak cakap besar pula. Tak malu kah? 

There is a saying, if you want to know a language know it well. What is the point of you knowing 10 languages, but the proficiency is all at “tong sampah” standard. Most Americans and the British know only one language, but they master it well. Ya, i know, most Asians, particularly Malaysians, claim to know three or four languages, but the standard is “phua tang sai” to be of any use. 

What do you mean by elite universities in Dubai, UK and USA? You mean the Ivy League (from the USA)? Tell you what, if you can prove that you got a Masters or Phd (even in sociology or Islamic studies) from the Ivy League, i shall quit this blog for good. How about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repost because of typo:</p>
<p>Anak Malaysia,<br />
Jangan panggil sendiri anak Malaysia kalau PR sahaja, faham? Tidak boleh undi pun. Beli petrol pun tak dapat rebate, nak cakap besar pula. Tak malu kah? </p>
<p>There is a saying, if you want to know a language know it well. What is the point of you knowing 10 languages, but the proficiency is all at “tong sampah” standard. Most Americans and the British know only one language, but they master it well. Ya, i know, most Asians, particularly Malaysians, claim to know three or four languages, but the standard is “phua tang sai” to be of any use. </p>
<p>What do you mean by elite universities in Dubai, UK and USA? You mean the Ivy League (from the USA)? Tell you what, if you can prove that you got a Masters or Phd (even in sociology or Islamic studies) from the Ivy League, i shall quit this blog for good. How about it?</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
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		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anak Malaysia, Jangan panggil sendiri anak Malaysia kalau PR sahaja, faham?  Tidak boleh undi pun.  Beli petrol put tak dapat rebate, nak cakap besar pula. Tak malu kah?   

There is saying, if you want to know a language know it well. What is the point of you knowing 10 languages, but the proficiency is all &quot;tong sampah&quot; standard.  Moat Americans and the British know only one language, but they master it well. Ya, i know, most Asians, particularly Malaysians, claim to know three or four languages, but the standard is &quot;phua tang sai&quot; to be of any use.  

What do you mean by elite universities in Dubai, UK and USA?  You mean the Ivy League (from the USA)?  Tell you what, if you can prove that you got a Masters or Phd (even in sociology or Islamic studies) from the Ivy League, i shall quit this blog for good. How about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anak Malaysia, Jangan panggil sendiri anak Malaysia kalau PR sahaja, faham?  Tidak boleh undi pun.  Beli petrol put tak dapat rebate, nak cakap besar pula. Tak malu kah?   </p>
<p>There is saying, if you want to know a language know it well. What is the point of you knowing 10 languages, but the proficiency is all &#8220;tong sampah&#8221; standard.  Moat Americans and the British know only one language, but they master it well. Ya, i know, most Asians, particularly Malaysians, claim to know three or four languages, but the standard is &#8220;phua tang sai&#8221; to be of any use.  </p>
<p>What do you mean by elite universities in Dubai, UK and USA?  You mean the Ivy League (from the USA)?  Tell you what, if you can prove that you got a Masters or Phd (even in sociology or Islamic studies) from the Ivy League, i shall quit this blog for good. How about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Anak Malaysia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-111092</link>
		<dc:creator>Anak Malaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Malaysians,

All languages are good for the speaker or listener to understand and interpret the meaning by sound spoken and words written. If a student can master many languages in his mind, then the student is indeed a great staff asset for the United Nation bodies. Many Asian are multi-lingual with several languages and their students are highly salaried , sort after by MNCs and also given top positions in many foreign affair ministeries. So it is regret to take note of some bloggers/writers here criticised about the racist schools in Malay, Mandarin and Tamil. They are too short sighted in their understanding of the importance of a mother tongue language and master English as a main language for commerce and international communication.

Limkamput quoted that I am not a &quot;Sheikh&quot; or Arabian origin and PR Malaysian here and my English is horrible. It is fine for a humble Arabian citizen to read such negative feedback, nevertheless, my message is very fruithful and informative to all Malaysians.

Frankly speaking that I was educated, can read,write and speak fluent Arabic, English, Japanese, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish and Thai languages. I am also fluent in Bahasa Malaysia after attended 18 months intensive classes in Malaysia. I can master all 8 languages for past 30 years after graduated with a triple degrees, master and Phd in fuel technology, atomic engineering and accountancy and IT in elite universities in Dubai, UK and USA.

I think Limkamput is another joker like Kasim Amat who love to write rubbish, non facts and non figures supporting statements but criticising other writers and bloggers here.  What a shame to both Limkamput and Kasim Amat? 

Your nickname &quot;Limkamput&quot; well means you are &quot;Kamput/Koyak&quot; type of person is indeed suitable to replace your surname. In the name of ALLAH, such person is useless grabbage scum or &quot;sampah masyarakat&quot;. No hard feelings yeah !!

If all Malaysians have similar taste like Limkamput, then PR Malaysian wonders why your beloved government has continued to marginalise, discrimate and insult the intelligence of the people of Malaysia for past 50 years but many mismanaged public funds and misused of power in Malaysia.

No further comments and glad to read positive feedback from good writers and bloggers here.

“IN ALLAH WE TURST”

Regards,

Al-Sheikh Ahmeed Al-Malmudi Fuad
(Retired) Senior Fuel Engineer &amp; Analyst
PR Malaysian &amp; UAE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Malaysians,</p>
<p>All languages are good for the speaker or listener to understand and interpret the meaning by sound spoken and words written. If a student can master many languages in his mind, then the student is indeed a great staff asset for the United Nation bodies. Many Asian are multi-lingual with several languages and their students are highly salaried , sort after by MNCs and also given top positions in many foreign affair ministeries. So it is regret to take note of some bloggers/writers here criticised about the racist schools in Malay, Mandarin and Tamil. They are too short sighted in their understanding of the importance of a mother tongue language and master English as a main language for commerce and international communication.</p>
<p>Limkamput quoted that I am not a &#8220;Sheikh&#8221; or Arabian origin and PR Malaysian here and my English is horrible. It is fine for a humble Arabian citizen to read such negative feedback, nevertheless, my message is very fruithful and informative to all Malaysians.</p>
<p>Frankly speaking that I was educated, can read,write and speak fluent Arabic, English, Japanese, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish and Thai languages. I am also fluent in Bahasa Malaysia after attended 18 months intensive classes in Malaysia. I can master all 8 languages for past 30 years after graduated with a triple degrees, master and Phd in fuel technology, atomic engineering and accountancy and IT in elite universities in Dubai, UK and USA.</p>
<p>I think Limkamput is another joker like Kasim Amat who love to write rubbish, non facts and non figures supporting statements but criticising other writers and bloggers here.  What a shame to both Limkamput and Kasim Amat? </p>
<p>Your nickname &#8220;Limkamput&#8221; well means you are &#8220;Kamput/Koyak&#8221; type of person is indeed suitable to replace your surname. In the name of ALLAH, such person is useless grabbage scum or &#8220;sampah masyarakat&#8221;. No hard feelings yeah !!</p>
<p>If all Malaysians have similar taste like Limkamput, then PR Malaysian wonders why your beloved government has continued to marginalise, discrimate and insult the intelligence of the people of Malaysia for past 50 years but many mismanaged public funds and misused of power in Malaysia.</p>
<p>No further comments and glad to read positive feedback from good writers and bloggers here.</p>
<p>“IN ALLAH WE TURST”</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Al-Sheikh Ahmeed Al-Malmudi Fuad<br />
(Retired) Senior Fuel Engineer &amp; Analyst<br />
PR Malaysian &amp; UAE</p>
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		<title>By: AhPek</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-3/#comment-111077</link>
		<dc:creator>AhPek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheng On Soo,

                    If you say that there will still be that many unemployed even if we were to make all companies use BM as their official work language,  perhaps the best person to ask for something else to blame for the problem is
Kasim  Amat.He has a panacea for all Malaysia&#039;s problems, I am sure of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheng On Soo,</p>
<p>                    If you say that there will still be that many unemployed even if we were to make all companies use BM as their official work language,  perhaps the best person to ask for something else to blame for the problem is<br />
Kasim  Amat.He has a panacea for all Malaysia&#8217;s problems, I am sure of that.</p>
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		<title>By: tuppavongallo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tuppavongallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, i think that if we want the standard of English to improve, the teaching of Mathematics and Science in English is insufficient.
English has to be made a compulsary subject whereby those who fail in their UPSR should attend Remove classes to bridge the gap.  Start at the root, not at the top, sending them to attend English courses just because they can&#039;t speak a word of English and can&#039;t find jobs.  
More time should be allocated for English lessons, especially in the Chinese primary schools whereby Year 1 pupils have half an hour of English per week, Years 2 and 3 pupils have an hour of English and Years 4 to 6 pupils have 2 hours of English per week.
They learn the basics of the language during the English lessons, not Science and Mathematics lessons.  In Science and Mathematics lessons, they acquire vocabulary.
I have heard of Mathematics and Science teachers complaining that English teachers are not helping them because the vocabulary learnt in the English lesson does not help the students in acquiring their Science and Mathematics knowledge.  In a way, it is true as English teachers are meant to teach the basics of the language, eg. the four skills, Speaking, Listening, Reading and Writing, grammar, blah, blah, blah .....  
They teach the students to use the language, not the language.  
Try to understand us English teachers, we are not Science nor Mathematics experts, neither are we Einstein nor Graham Bell.  
When the students learn and master the basics of the language, they will naturally do better in Science and Mathematics.  
I know of a girl who scored 7As in the UPSR (Chinese school) but did not do very well in Mathematics in Form 1 simply because she cannot understand spoken English well. (one of the loopholes in the Chinese education system is that most students can write but can&#039;t speak nor understand much of the spoken language because they are trained to score in the examinations) This particular girl found it hard to cope in the Secondary school because of her handicap, the English Language , but not because she is weak in Mathematics so she started to master the language and by Form 2 she managed to catch up with the rest.

So I would like to stress that without acquiring the language, both these subjects can&#039;t be mastered well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, i think that if we want the standard of English to improve, the teaching of Mathematics and Science in English is insufficient.<br />
English has to be made a compulsary subject whereby those who fail in their UPSR should attend Remove classes to bridge the gap.  Start at the root, not at the top, sending them to attend English courses just because they can&#8217;t speak a word of English and can&#8217;t find jobs.<br />
More time should be allocated for English lessons, especially in the Chinese primary schools whereby Year 1 pupils have half an hour of English per week, Years 2 and 3 pupils have an hour of English and Years 4 to 6 pupils have 2 hours of English per week.<br />
They learn the basics of the language during the English lessons, not Science and Mathematics lessons.  In Science and Mathematics lessons, they acquire vocabulary.<br />
I have heard of Mathematics and Science teachers complaining that English teachers are not helping them because the vocabulary learnt in the English lesson does not help the students in acquiring their Science and Mathematics knowledge.  In a way, it is true as English teachers are meant to teach the basics of the language, eg. the four skills, Speaking, Listening, Reading and Writing, grammar, blah, blah, blah &#8230;..<br />
They teach the students to use the language, not the language.<br />
Try to understand us English teachers, we are not Science nor Mathematics experts, neither are we Einstein nor Graham Bell.<br />
When the students learn and master the basics of the language, they will naturally do better in Science and Mathematics.<br />
I know of a girl who scored 7As in the UPSR (Chinese school) but did not do very well in Mathematics in Form 1 simply because she cannot understand spoken English well. (one of the loopholes in the Chinese education system is that most students can write but can&#8217;t speak nor understand much of the spoken language because they are trained to score in the examinations) This particular girl found it hard to cope in the Secondary school because of her handicap, the English Language , but not because she is weak in Mathematics so she started to master the language and by Form 2 she managed to catch up with the rest.</p>
<p>So I would like to stress that without acquiring the language, both these subjects can&#8217;t be mastered well.</p>
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		<title>By: tuppavongallo</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-2/#comment-111059</link>
		<dc:creator>tuppavongallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Kathy

&quot;The teachers are really not qualified to teach - they lack the interest to build the yound minds and they do not have the proper qualification to teach. We can forget about Maths and Science being taught in English in these schools - found out that these two subjects’ allocated time are often taken up by other subjects and the teachers would leave it to the last minute before the exams to so-call “teach” them. &quot;

Please do not point fingers at all Chinese primary schools just because it happened in your school or your children/grandchildren&#039;s schools.  There are many responsible teachers out there who are good at the language and are qualified to teach. Imagine asking me, an English teacher to teach Science or Mathematics, I would kill the students though my English proficiency is ok.  I simply do not know anything about Mathematics or Science and would eventually wipe out their interest totally.  
I would like to comment here that the situation in the Chinese primary school may be better than those in the national schools as there are many teachers in the Chinese primary schools who are proficient in the language.  Most teachers in the Chinese primary schools who are MCE holders are proficient in the language and through proper brushing up they will be able to make it through.  One of the tools to help them is the self-access learning modules supplied by the Education Ministry and I personally find that these modules are well prepared.


&quot;It also does not help that these schools prefer the stream the students and those in the better class are often given tips for the exams (knew about one teacher in Klang that actually told the students from her tuition class about the exam questions that were coming out the next day). These are not the ways of building the young minds - this route is taking them to the end of their world with immediate effect.&quot;

Please note that this thing does not happen in all schools but it is undeniable that it is happening.  There are still many decent teachers who truly teach their students and do not have to resort to these tactics.

Please do not demoralise the teaching profession by suggesting that if one teacher does that , all teachers will follow suit.  

Why do you hate teachers so much? Why must you taint them? What did your teachers do to you? If your teacher had done anything to you, does it mean that other teachers will do so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kathy</p>
<p>&#8220;The teachers are really not qualified to teach &#8211; they lack the interest to build the yound minds and they do not have the proper qualification to teach. We can forget about Maths and Science being taught in English in these schools &#8211; found out that these two subjects’ allocated time are often taken up by other subjects and the teachers would leave it to the last minute before the exams to so-call “teach” them. &#8221;</p>
<p>Please do not point fingers at all Chinese primary schools just because it happened in your school or your children/grandchildren&#8217;s schools.  There are many responsible teachers out there who are good at the language and are qualified to teach. Imagine asking me, an English teacher to teach Science or Mathematics, I would kill the students though my English proficiency is ok.  I simply do not know anything about Mathematics or Science and would eventually wipe out their interest totally.<br />
I would like to comment here that the situation in the Chinese primary school may be better than those in the national schools as there are many teachers in the Chinese primary schools who are proficient in the language.  Most teachers in the Chinese primary schools who are MCE holders are proficient in the language and through proper brushing up they will be able to make it through.  One of the tools to help them is the self-access learning modules supplied by the Education Ministry and I personally find that these modules are well prepared.</p>
<p>&#8220;It also does not help that these schools prefer the stream the students and those in the better class are often given tips for the exams (knew about one teacher in Klang that actually told the students from her tuition class about the exam questions that were coming out the next day). These are not the ways of building the young minds &#8211; this route is taking them to the end of their world with immediate effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please note that this thing does not happen in all schools but it is undeniable that it is happening.  There are still many decent teachers who truly teach their students and do not have to resort to these tactics.</p>
<p>Please do not demoralise the teaching profession by suggesting that if one teacher does that , all teachers will follow suit.  </p>
<p>Why do you hate teachers so much? Why must you taint them? What did your teachers do to you? If your teacher had done anything to you, does it mean that other teachers will do so?</p>
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		<title>By: cheng on soo</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheng on soo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if all companies use BM in their day to day operation, there will still be many unemployed graduates. English is not the only problem of these unemployed graduates !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if all companies use BM in their day to day operation, there will still be many unemployed graduates. English is not the only problem of these unemployed graduates !</p>
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		<title>By: Neobanchuan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neobanchuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well say Kasim! I fully agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well say Kasim! I fully agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasim Amat</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/14/continue-teaching-science-and-mathematics-in-english/comment-page-2/#comment-111026</link>
		<dc:creator>Kasim Amat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does not take one hand to clap. To reduce unemployment rate permanently, all corporations should start to adopt Bahasa Malaysia in their day to day operations including all documentations and communications. Countries like Korea, Japan and China have no problems in this then why should we always succumb to the Western language and culture? The problem is not because our graduates are poor in English. The problem is we do not promote Bahasa strong enough in commercial and working environment. Although I can see some local companies already use Bahasa in their operation, how many foreigh companies are using Bahasa in their working envionment? I will say almost none of them! None of these foreign companies have recognised that Malaysia has its own unique culture ad national language should come first before anything. To let English to become a dominant language in the commercial is not in congruence with our national lauage policies and there is a need to set strict criteria on foreign investors in order to protect safeguard our national language. This also helps to keep the local grads in the competitive job market. If not, this serious mismatch in the commercial world and our education system will ruined the future of our local grads!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does not take one hand to clap. To reduce unemployment rate permanently, all corporations should start to adopt Bahasa Malaysia in their day to day operations including all documentations and communications. Countries like Korea, Japan and China have no problems in this then why should we always succumb to the Western language and culture? The problem is not because our graduates are poor in English. The problem is we do not promote Bahasa strong enough in commercial and working environment. Although I can see some local companies already use Bahasa in their operation, how many foreigh companies are using Bahasa in their working envionment? I will say almost none of them! None of these foreign companies have recognised that Malaysia has its own unique culture ad national language should come first before anything. To let English to become a dominant language in the commercial is not in congruence with our national lauage policies and there is a need to set strict criteria on foreign investors in order to protect safeguard our national language. This also helps to keep the local grads in the competitive job market. If not, this serious mismatch in the commercial world and our education system will ruined the future of our local grads!</p>
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