by M. Bakri Musa
The government’s decision to revisit (and most likely do away with) the current teaching of science and mathematics in English is an instructive example of how an otherwise sensible policy could easily be discredited and then abandoned because of poor execution. Had there been better planning, many of the problems encountered could have been readily anticipated and thus avoided, or at least reduced. The policy would then more likely to succeed, and thus be accepted.
Ironically, only a year ago a Ministry of Education “study” pronounced the program to be moving along “smoothly,” with officials “satisfied” with its implementation. Now another “study” showed that there was no difference in the “performance” (whatever that term means or how they measure it) between those taught in Malay or English.
The policy was in response to the obvious deficiencies noted in students coming out of our national schools: their abysmal command of English, and their limited mathematical skills and science literacy. They carry these deficits when they enter university, and then onto the workplace.
The results are predictable. These graduates are practically unemployable. As the vast majority of them are Malays, this creates tremendous political pressure on the government to act as employer of last resort. Accommodating these graduates made our civil service bloated and inefficient, burdened by their deficient language and mathematical abilities.
This longstanding problem began in the late 1970s when Malay became the exclusive language of instruction in our public schools and universities. Overcoming this problem would be a monumental undertaking.
The greatest mistake was to underestimate the magnitude of the task, especially in overcoming the system’s inertia. Today’s teachers and policy makers are products of this all-Malay education system. Change would mean repudiating the very system that had produced them, a tough sell at the best of times.
In their naivety, ministry officials convinced themselves that such enormous obstacles as the teachers’ lack of English fluency could easily be overcome by enrolling them in short culup (superficial) courses that were in turn conducted by those equally inept in English. Or by simply providing these teachers with laptops programmed with instructional modules!
Even if we had had the best talents devoting themselves exclusively to implementing the policy, the task would still be huge. Unfortunately we have Hishammuddin Hussein as Minister of Education shepherding the change. An insightful innovator or an effective executive he is not. Being simultaneously an UMNO Youth Chief, he was also distracted in trying to pass himself off as the champion of Ketuanan Melayu.
These factors practically ensure the initiative’s failure. The tragic part is that the burden of the failure falls disproportionately on the rural poor, meaning Malays, a point missed by these self-professed nationalists. I would have thought that that alone would have motivated them to succeed.
A Better Way
Teaching science and mathematics in English would solve two problems simultaneously. One, considering the critical shortage of textbooks, journals, and other literature in Malay, teaching the two subjects in English would facilitate the acquisition of new knowledge by our students. With the exponential growth of new knowledge, it would be impossible to keep up solely through translations, even if we were to devote our entire intellectual resources towards that endeavor.
The other objective was to enhance the English fluency of our students. Of course if that were the only consideration, there are other more effective ways of achieving it, like devoting more instructional hours to the subject.
If, as the recent Ministry’s “study” indicates, there is no difference in performance between those taught in Malay or English, that in itself would favor continuing the program because of the twin benefits discussed earlier. Besides, changing course midstream would not only be disruptive but also counterproductive. Our educational system needs predictable stability and incremental improvements, not disruptive U-turns and faddish changes, especially in response to political pressures.
A more important point is this. Altering a politically pivotal and highly emotional public policy requires careful preparation and deliberate execution. If I were to implement the policy, this is what I would do. Lest readers think that this is hindsight wisdom on my part, rest assured that I had documented these ideas in my earlier book, long before the government even contemplated the policy.
Being prudent, as we are dealing with our children’s and nation’s future, I would begin with a small pilot project, analyze the problems, correct the deficiencies, and only then expand the program.
First, I would implement the policy initially only at primary and selected secondary schools, like our residential schools. The language requirements as well as the science and mathematical concepts at the primary level are quite elementary, and thus more readily acquired by the teachers. And at that level the pupils would not have to unlearn much as everything would still be new.
In schools where the background English literacy level of the pupils is low as in the villages, I would have the pupils take English immersion classes for a full term or even a year. We had earlier successful experiences with this with our Special Malay Classes and Remove classes. This strategy has also been tried successfully in America for children of non-English-speaking immigrants. Another idea I put forth in my earlier book is to bring back the old English schools in such areas. As the Malay literacy level in the community and at home is high, these pupils are unlikely to “forget” their own language.
At the secondary level, our residential schools get the best students and teachers. Consequently the program could be more easily implemented there as the learning curve would be steep, and mistakes more readily recognized and corrected. Once the kinks have been worked out, expand the program.
Second is the issue of teachers. Fortunately Malaysia has two large untapped reservoirs of talent: recently retired teachers trained under the old English-based system, and native English speakers who are either spouses of Malaysians or residents of this country. Given adequate compensation and minimal of hassles, they could be readily recruited.
I would add other incentives especially if they were to serve in rural areas where the need is most acute. Thus in addition to greater pay, I would give them first preference to teachers’ quarters.
A permanent solution would be to convert a number of existing teachers’ colleges into exclusively English-medium institutions to train future teachers of English, science, and mathematics. As the present teacher-trainees have limited English fluency, I would begin admitting them right away in January following their leaving school in December of the preceding year.
From that January till the regular opening of the academic year (sometime in July), these trainees would undergo intensive English immersion classes where their entire 24-hour day would be consumed with learning, speaking, thinking, and even dreaming in English. With the subsequent three years of additional instructions exclusively in English, these graduates would then be fully fluent in English.
With such quality programs, these graduates would be in great demand within and outside their profession. With their heightened English facility and mathematical competency, their educational opportunities would also expand as they could further their studies anywhere in the English-speaking world. With such bright prospects, these colleges would have no difficulty recruiting talented school leavers. Our teaching profession would also be enriched with the addition of such talents.
As for textbooks, there is no need to write new ones. The contents of these two subjects are universally applicable. Meaning, textbooks written for British students would be just as suitable for Malaysians, so we could select already available books. With its purchasing clout, the government could drive a hard bargain with existing publishers.
I hope Ministry of Education officials, including and especially Hishammuddin, would heed these factors when they review the current policy. They should continue the current policy, correct the evident errors, and strengthen the obvious weaknesses. The success of this policy would also mean success for our students, and our nation. That is a worthy pursuit for anyone with ambitions to one day lead the nation.

#1 by ChinNA on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 1:40 pm
Malay-sians are not short of ideas just successful execution. Unfortunately, I lost my mastery of BM now although I am a product of the all-BM education.
Mr Bakri is right, the transformation to being proficient in English is a long journey. Till today, I am still not proficient in English for science and mathematics.
Sigh.
#2 by Tantech on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 2:48 pm
Why Chinese objected to teach science and maths in English? Because it would mean they have not many subjects left in Chinese. Why do you call it a Chinese school when you have only 3 subjects in Chinese?
My proposal is – Bring back the English school! Let Chinese and Tamil schools to have their own identity. They have BM and English subjects. It is good to give parents more choices. Well if they think English is important for their children, then go to the English school.
#3 by Mr Smith on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 2:53 pm
It’s amazing how Bakri of the exact state of affairs back home, right to the nitty-gritty, even though he is living across the globe.
Interestingly, those back home in UMNO know nothing about what is happening under their very noses. Anyway does it matter since their own children are packed off to overseas or international schools.
When Bahasa Malaysia was first used as the medium of instruction to replace English in the 1970s, I told my friends that “this would be an intellectual sacrifice of the future generations”.
Today I can smugly say, “Didn’t I say so?”
The problem today is, the teachers themselves are not proficient in English to teach Maths and Science in the language.
Try conducting an essay writing competition among teachers and you will know what I mean.
There are hundreds of retirees who were the products of the colonial system but the Education Ministry chose to ignore them in place of half baked Malay teachers who attended local culup English courses.
Need we ask why the entire civil service is filled with non-English speaking graduates rejected by the private sector.
The real losers in this catastrophic system are the Malays themselves, socially, educationally and intellectually. This is the result of political interests superceding the interests and survival future of their own people.
And yet there is not an iota of indication that the BN government wants to undo the wrong.
#4 by Mr Smith on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 2:54 pm
Correction to the above : “It’s amazing how Bakri is aware of the exact state of affairs back home, right to the nitty-gritty, even though he is living across the globe.
#5 by max2811 on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 3:02 pm
The education policy in Msia is too politicised. The worst lot are the Chinese school students who has to do Science and Maths in English.
Being an English teacher for 28 years in a Chinese school and a product from a missionary school, I find the education policy on the teaching of maths and science in English for Chinese school ridiculous.
These two subjects should either be done all in Chinese or English and not both. The allocated time is shared by the two languages making the poor pupils not comprehending the concepts and and not having enough exposure and time to learn English.
Over the years, pupils that come from Chinese schools are very good in their maths and science but very poor in their spoken and written English. Instead of allocating more time to teach English, Chinese educationists fought to have more time for Chinese subjects. We keep churning people who can’t communicate well with the western business world.
But they can still manage to make it in the working world due to their resilience and being hardworking, albeit two steps slower.
My suggestion is to let educationists decide on strategies and not politicians. Politicians tend to be racist and lacking in knowledge on how to restore the glory. I shudder whenever I recall an English graduate teacher asking me to check her essay for mistakes.
Bring back the English medium schools. Promote English teachers who have a distinction in English at MCE/GCE level(rare breed)in primary schools. Don’t look at the colour of the skin or the ‘bin or binti’ in the names. Just look at his/her capabilities and grades.
#6 by Tantech on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 3:10 pm
Learning science and maths in English does not guaranttee competent in the language. If the students can’t even command fluent English, they will not be able to follow thru. That was why all Malay, Chinese and Tamil schools did badly in these two subjects. They lost interest as they could not catch up.
#7 by Samuel Goh Kim Eng on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 3:12 pm
On the question of science and mathematics in English
The ‘bottom line’ is not in the language but knowledge
So let’s be realistic and let other thoughts perish
And accept what’s best now for all to openly acknowledge
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 140608
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Sat. 14th June 2008.
#8 by Anak Malaysia on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 3:47 pm
Dear Malaysians & Muslim Brothers and Sisters,
We, PR Malaysians of Arab UAE were laughing loudly when we read some articles wrote by a top Malay scholar in a prestigous university in Middle East. The Malay scholar was graduated from local ITMara holding 1st class honor degree in science and mathematics. He was under your government scholarship programme to do his Master degree and PHD in an Arab country.
What a nice joke from his article wrote by this top Malay scholar ? He wrote a simple essay message about the good teaching of science and art in both English and Malay languages in the local ITM. The local university allowed combination of both languages in order to pass the public exam.
Let us share with you his short essay message here:-
” Malaysia government kini encouraged all rakyat to read more rujukan books in sains and teknologi semasa. Ini can memperkembangkan ilmu science and technology bagi semua rakyat Malaysia to compete dalam zaman gloablisation sekarang. This is also because rakyat kita masih weak in both bidang sains and teknologi for bersaing with graduates from overseas universities. Akan tetapi sikap our goverment masih kiasi dan kiasu to post many brilliant students and tak kasi many scholarship kepada other smart races pasal sistem education quota dalam Minister of Education ”
We dont understand …….apa dia tulis ? Do you ? Maybe a First Class Professor from ITM read it with excellent answer to reward him with 1st class honor degree. MY GOD !
Similar, I trained a local fuel degree Chinese holder from University Technology Malaysia about the fuel consumption system compared with the solar power system. I was suprised that the Chinese young graduate is able to write good essay in 3 languages in Mandarin, English and Malay without “rojak mixed essay” . I asked him the same question about the Malay scholar method of writing essay with mixed languages. He told me that it is good to master Maths and Science in English language. But also master Chinese in business accountancy and business field for him to find a better career in HK and Singapore. Similar, he said Malay language is only used in government departments and to understand or mixed with the local Malay communities so that he can able to challenge them. Similar, I asked an Indian fuel engineer who master English, Tamil and Malay languages was given the same answer like the Chinese grad.
Therefore, I interviewed a Malay Science grad from UM recently about the same question. He told me a simple answer:-
“Dont worry,be happy, our kind government will find jobs for Malays in civil services and govt agencies. It is alright to learn more Malay to be a genuine Malay and ignored English of the colonial white fellows are useless to our “Ketuanan Melayu” in Malaysia. Why waste time and money to learn English supremacy in science and technology in Malaysia. Our current PM advised Malays to venture agricultures, fishing and farming are more lucrative careers.”
Finally, I am forced to pick this Malay grad to become an technical executive trainee in the top fuel national company rather than other better selections due to unequal policies in Malaysia. Lastly, he quited after 3 months because he cannot read, listen and write or draw in a simple fuel hydroplastic technical system in science and technology in English version as well as to calculate the figures in English mathematics. In view of unfair policy, the position is still vacant for few months to get a qualified pre-BUMI who can master in science and technology in English. I was informed that the two grads Chinese and Indian are serving top Shell and Exxon in other countries. What a waste of brain drain due to unfair employment policy in Malaysia ?
No further comments by PR Malaysian wishes to listen and read more comments from all Good Kind Malaysians. Let us PROTEST on fuel price hike anytime and anywhere on July 5, 2008 as called by NGOs and Oppositions. BRAVO !!
“IN ALLAH WE TURST”
Regards,
Al-Sheikh Ahmeed Al-Malmudi Fuad
(Retired) Senior Fuel Engineer & Analyst
PR Malaysian & UAE citizen
#9 by donplaypuks on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 3:50 pm
Kerismuddin is a wolf in sheep’s clothing! As long as he is there he will pretend to promote English, while organizing behind the scenes objections from UMNO to champion Ketuanan Melayu and all-BM education system.
Sack Kerismudin and you will see genuine changes. Bring back Peoples’ Own language in all Govt schools so that purely Chinese & Tamil schools can be phased out.
Why should taxpayers be burdened with promoting Chinese or Indian culture, history or languages in separate schoos when all can be covered in a single school as it was in the 50′s, 60′s and early 70′s – the genuine Sekolah Kebangsaans.
#10 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 3:57 pm
///Learning science and maths in English does not guarantee competence in the language///-Tantech.
Teaching of science and mathematics in English etc is fire fighting when the main problem is “Ketuanan”. English was one of the good legacies of colonial rule. However after English Tuan had left, you wanted to be the new Tuan, you denigrated and marginalised his language replacing it with yours in 1970s and now complain why your graduates are unemployable in a complex Globalised competitive world for not being proficient in English Tuan’s language??? The effective way is just to revert to the times when English was medium of instruction. But that is not easy because root cause of present problems is there are now hordes of ‘nationalists, supremacists, linguists having vested interest against such reversion and resisting it under grandiloquent justifications of national pride, national unity etc.
It is a self-inflicted wound. It stems from feelings of inadequacy that needs to be compensated by hubris, which for so long as the state of affairs subsists, the price is incompetency.
#11 by oknyua on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 4:04 pm
M Bakri Musa, years ago while doing my studies in the local university, students were asking the dean the need to have “external examiners.” The reason then and now is the same; they can’t articulate well in English. Most, if not all of my lecturers then were overseas trained and such questions didn’t manage to go beyond the lecture halls. But these very students are leaders today. They pose this same question except now they are at liberty to provide the answer. I am not surprised if is English is banned in schools.
What surprised me is our leaders’ failure to see the demographic composition of those who are unemployed and unemployable. I don’t mean to demean graduates who resort to driving taxis or taking other menial jobs but Malaysia itself needed well-qualified and well-trained workforce. Why are these graduates unemployable? No, it’s not due to laziness. No it’s not due to stupidity. It is simply because they can’t write and read English.
#12 by AhPek on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 4:10 pm
“Don’t look at the colour of the skin or the ‘bin or binti’ in their names. Just look at his/her capabalities and grades.”. max2811.
You have got to be kidding! Do you think they don’t know.Of course they know but what is important is not meritocracy it is the important affirmative action.You must have a good number of intakes from bumiputras into teacher’s college (probably 80% from the group) and publicly they will say that the Chinese are not interested to get into the teaching profession.You must also have a good number of bumiputras teaching maths and science in English (I was told these group of teachers are given special allowances).
They are not interested in getting back the retired teachers who were schooled and trained in English as the medium of instruction.Or if they are serious they could get a lot of teachers from India and South Africa who are well versed in teaching both the subjects in English.
This can never be a problem, it is a problem because of the apartheid policy this country is pursuing.
#13 by AhPek on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 4:12 pm
One more further comment.The retired teachers from India or South Africa should not be too expensive to employ as well.
#14 by Kasim Amat on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 4:50 pm
// “This can never be a problem, it is a problem because of the apartheid policy this country is pursuing.” – AhPek //
This is not true, Malaysia has never adopted apartheid policy. Please be careful when you write.
#15 by Loyal Malaysian on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 4:55 pm
I am all for the continuation of the policy.
But as Bakri so aptly pointed out recent pronouncements by political leaders and education ministry officials are laying the groundwork for its reversal.
“Nasi sudah menjadi bubur” -Bakri’s suggestion on how it should have been implemented only adds salt to the wound.
But will the powers-that-be take decisions with the welfare of the younger generation in schools now at heart.
Or will it be just another political decision as was how it was implemented back in 2003.?
#16 by justice_fighter on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 5:19 pm
Throw away racism, if we are to make ourselves truly competitive globally, I would love to see our education system practice “Teaching Science and Mathematics in English & Chinese”.
#17 by chiakchua on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 5:32 pm
Certainly there is big problem with English proficiency for our new graduates, particularly those from government institutions and universities! If our so called national leaders do not look into this problem urgently, the casualty can be as big as ‘tsunami’! However, considering our whole group of leaders who are themselves just ‘racist politicians deeply immersed with ketuanan ideology’ or ‘yes sir’ leeches for their own interest, I just don’t know how are they going to put things right.
We recently employed one P.D Polytechnic Mechanical Engineering Diploma graduate (Malaysian Chinese) as Sales Executive. English proficiency? Well, I will give him 20 out of 100! He may not get his confirmation if he does not improve his English within the next 6 months; we had asked him to go for tuition.
We have also employed one BP Tun Hussein Onn university Bachelor in Mechanical Engineering (Honours) graduate supposedly as Mechanical Engineer but is now temporarily put under as Trainee Engineer. His English proficiency is even worst; 10 out of 100!
The UMNOputras are leading all of us to doom (holland)!
#18 by limkamput on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 6:05 pm
Is Malaysia falling behind and becoming more scr*wed up each day solely because of language policy? For Malaysia, may be English proficiency is important because of our internationalised economy and multiracial population. But if we look at Japan and more recently Taiwan and Korea, they too have become very developed without having to adopt English as a medium of instruction in schools. May be they are larger economies with vast indigenous research capability. I really don’t know but I think it is a valid observation.
I think the gradual demise of our great country is very complex. It is probably a combination of many factors – racism, inept leadership, corruption, mediocrity, poor language competency, unprofessionalism, and lack of pride in whatever we do (if you go to Japan today, you still can see ordinary Japanese prepare nice noodle for you. In Malaysia, even a bowl of Hokkien Mee is prepared by a foreign worker. You see, in Malaysia, we are just a nation wanting to exploit everybody else except himself/herself).
I think it is best that we don’t over generalise and over simplify issues. May be teaching science and mathematics in English may help us a bit but it is not sufficient. May be our biggest problem is our mindset and value system. If you ask me, may be we need a complete switch to English education system to change our mindset and value system. May be we need to study more European, US and Commonwealth History and less “good for nothing” history of the Arabs and the third world countries. May be it is not just science and mathematics. May be our education system should first and foremost make our people more inclusive, cosmopolitan, liberal and self assured. Right now, what I am seeing is an education system producing students who pre-occupation is to assert whose language, culture, civilisation, race and religion are the greatest of all!
#19 by limkamput on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 6:10 pm
sorry correction: Right now, what I am seeing is an education system producing students who pre-occupation is to assert whose language, culture, civilisation, race and religion is the greatest of all!
#20 by esgreat on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 6:21 pm
Maybe a simple question to ask is: do we need the Ministry of Education at all? We spend more than RM20 billion a year in education, and where does that bring us?
Do we need an education system that is so centralized? This centralization makes the syllabus inflexible. And this is definitely inefficient to cater for people who are not suited to a single way of learning.
Schools should be responsible to the parents, not the government. They should be providing the skills that the parents hope would help their children lead a better life…not the forced down syllabus and ‘guidelines’ they have to adhere to.
As far as I know, schools like Penang Free School, High Schools, and perhaps all Chinese schools were initially built as private schools. Has their quality improved after being taken over by government?
If the schools were allowed to self determine what they teach and how they teach, we would’ve been much better off.
Here’s an interesting article to read: http://mises.org/story/2937
#21 by lovemalaysiaforever on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 6:31 pm
Be realistic! We are not in China nor Taiwan…which have strong background in many many years no matter with their knowledge in mathematics and science…
The problem now is, our country is truly lack of elite young generations to compete in the era of globalisation. This is the true fact…if we keep on pampering and creating a comfortable zone for the education system, we definately will fall back.
Look at Vietnam, Thailand or even the nearest one Singapore..look at their primary education books especially in Science subject. We really have a gap comparing to our books even to Standard 1 & 2. Don’t you dare to think and compare with those advance country like Japan and Korea in their Science and Computer subject.
We parents really have to take time to sacrifice to nurture them so that they are not left out.
As we all knows that “Yes” we are lack of qualified teachers to teach but we must not just put the blame on those teachers for our children’s poor performances…I don’t agree on this.
It’s our own responsibilities as a parent to monitor our own children and also guide them in their studies. Hopefully, parents nowadays do not put their first priority on making money especially to those mothers….
We have to take the responsibility in both hands seriously for the betterment of our younger generation due to Malaysia’s current situation which can not be avoided.
I myself a 1970′s primary student and I really deeply feel that the problem today we are facing is really impact from those days where English education were remove to Bahasa Melayu. Look at my English today, it wasn’t so good and I have to keep improving day by day.
Give some time for the adjustment in education system, this is actually an opportunity to strive further for our younger generation. At least the goverment does not apply Maths and Science in Bahasa Melayu which is even worse…..
Rich people can afford to send and facilitate their children to better education schools but the majority poor ones doesn’t afford even to provide their children for extra-classes especially during inflation we are facing now..So, why waist this opportunity???
Give our children sometime for their adjustment because their brain actually can absorb like sponge, don’t worry..
The important part is we parent must take up our own responsibility.
Hope that my comment does not create any hard feelings to anyones who read it..
#22 by 318 on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 7:44 pm
Who was the smart minister that converted our education from English to Malay medium? Congratulation to him.Hidup Malaysia
#23 by limkamput on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 7:46 pm
Moderator,
I notice that other bloggers are allowed to link their postings to other blog sites whereas i am not allowed to do so. May I know why I am being targetted at? I hope to get a response from you.
#24 by limkamput on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 7:48 pm
Who was the smart minister that converted our education from English to Malay medium?
Abdul Rahman Yaakob, the uncle of present CM of Sarawak. But of course the ultimate responsibility is UMNO, MCA and MIC.
#25 by cheng on soo on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 7:58 pm
Want to get teachers to teach science & mathematics in English, yet don’t want to pay too much?? Don’t suggest South Africa lah, but ZIMBABWE, there are probably thousands (young, middle age, old, all got) of them very very willing to come !
#26 by AhPek on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 8:06 pm
One of the biggest problem is this; every parent thinks that his child is of university material and this group of clueless UMNOPUTRAS respond by opening the doors of tertiary education to poorly qualified (may even be less than qualified students) students to university education.The result is half-past-six graduates who are unemployable. A good example given by Anak Malaysia is an article written by a supposedly first class honours Mara graduate!The rubbish churn out by him would of course suggest that any donkey can be first class honours graduate.
We must recognise the country needs masons, plumber, welders,entrepreneurs besides doctors, lawyers, engineers or scientists.Build schools to cater for this.For those of us who are interested go and look up the education system of Finland rated as a country whose education system is top class.
Trouble is UMNOPUTRA thinks our education is top class and there is no system out there for us to emulate.Just take a look at Singapore.They sent people from the Education Ministry scouring the top school systems of the world and I remember they sent, some 4 years ago I think, a delegation to study the school system of New York Bronx High School Of Science.This school is not only very strong in Maths and Science, it is also strong in its liberal Arts,Languages and appreciation of Music.Emphasis is also placed on extra-curricular activities for they believe in developing well rounded students.Passing thro its corridors are 7Nobel Prize Winners in Physics and 6 Pulitzer Prize winners.Because of this visit I believe Singapore is changing from heavily exam oriented system to one that also gives development of an all round student.
#27 by sonsofsabah on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 8:09 pm
Whose stupid idea was it to change from English to BM? Wasn’t Dr. Mahathir? This is the worst policy that came back to bite. This policy essentially drop Malaysian english standard to that of indonesia.
English is the accepted standard for math and sciences.
#28 by badcliq on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 8:10 pm
I think Anwar Ibrahim wanted all to be in Malay language medium..if not mistaken, even after PR be govt, that’s one his plans as well….correct me if i’m wrong?
#29 by Loh on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 8:43 pm
///Teaching science and mathematics in English would solve two problems simultaneously. One, considering the critical shortage of textbooks, journals, and other literature in Malay, teaching the two subjects in English would facilitate the acquisition of new knowledge by our students.///—Bakri Musa
That is true at the tertiary education level. But preparation for the students to use English for mathematics and science does not have to begin at the primary school level. In the 1950s Chinese schools used English for the teaching of science and mathematics in secondary schools. Students from Chinese schools then were known to be strong in mathematics and science subjects.
///The other objective was to enhance the English fluency of our students.///— Bakri Musa
The schools should spend more time teaching English as a language rather than using it to teach mathematics and science. The policy does not see improvement in the standard of mathematics and science, and is even doubtful in terms of enhancing the language ability of the students. In giving more time to English, the students wound at least benefit learning the language. They do not need that much time to learn the concepts of elementary arithmatics, and the terms used in English. As for science, the facts are better told in the same medium of instruction.
It is sensible to teach mathematics and science in English beginning from secondary school,
#30 by cheng on soo on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 8:50 pm
There is nothing wrong to teach Science or Maths in Bahasa, the important things is never neglect English, and hv right attitude towards learning (Science, Maths, English, etc), and not want privileges, preferential treatment in everything (exam, Uni education, scholarship, lower passing mark, etc).
those ppl who always want gomen to help them, nvr progress far! self help is the MOST important.
If what anak malaysia said abt a 1st class honour local grad is fact, then really, no hope lah for Msia educ. (at least for the next 10 years)
#31 by bernadette on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 9:00 pm
“Moderator,
I notice that other bloggers are allowed to link their postings to other blog sites whereas i am not allowed to do so. May I know why I am being targetted at? I hope to get a response from you.” linkamput
that’s so so so full of self importance! you’re just doing it in the wrong way!
#32 by isahbiazhar on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 9:03 pm
The biggest mistake to be made by the government is to abolish English and bring back Bahasa Malaysia to teach Maths and Science in English.We have sacrificed many students in this experiment.The biggest culprits are the teachers themselves.They refused to study English because they studied them in BM.The ministry could influence and make at least 50% of them to teach in English.The net result is that we had penetrated and the pocess is going on fine.If we were to go backward it means the 50% of the teachers will see the weakness of the government and it will be held as a reason for any future commitments.The whole system will go into the drain and soon nobody will have any confidence which will result in future debacle.Initial destruction is the price we pay but the future is very bright.There will not be any disparity between the rural and the urban as we are becoming developed.BM can never stand the time and soon we will be facing global unemployment becaus our students cannot speak or write in English.The time will come when our natural resources will be depleted and we need the brain.The world brain will be in English and if we begin the rot now it can be assured that we will not exist as a nation because many including the Malays will leave the country.It will be left to the real aboriginese who can survive because they just need food and shelter.the rest of the requirement is not there for the others to survive.
#33 by kolchyi on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 9:08 pm
we not really need to mastering english if we born with talents….
#34 by gundam on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 9:31 pm
it is unnecessary to teach science and math in english. ppl having tis kind of concept will forever be colonized by the british, mentally, thus losing their own identity as a race and human. the problem in m’sia lies within the leaders and policymakers. it is their mindset to politicize everything tat fails the education system too. i’d recommend jst to teach those subjects in the students’ mother tongue. those who glorify and overestimate the importance of english for everything should really visit most of the european countries such as switzerland, german, italy…..russia, japan, korea, china. the world can still be a good place to live without embracing english.
#35 by limkamput on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 9:37 pm
bernadette Says:
that’s so so so full of self importance! you’re just doing it in the wrong way!
I see, i can’t get one thing right. May be you want to show me your perverted way, the “wetting your pants” way perhaps.
#36 by AhPek on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 9:38 pm
‘The schools should spend more time teaching English as a language rather than using it to teach mathematics and science.’. Loh
Definitely true because you don’t learn much English thro using English to learn maths and science. One first must master the English language first before proceeding to use that language to understand science and maths.To master English can only be done thro doing English Literature. In fact when Mahathir proposed the return by using it as a medium of instruction in science and maths,Professor Hyacinth Gaudat suggested a better way would be introducing English Literature which this mamak was not in favour of.In fact after Mamak’s displeasure over her suggestion,the media stopped publishing whatever comments from Hyacinth. This is the mamak who killed the English language when he was the Education Minister in the 70s drafting the KBSM syllabus removing English as the medium of instruction.Started removing English in the English Primary School in 1975 and by 1983 the medium of instruction in the universities is Malay.He now wants to be remembered as the mamak who introduced English to Malaysia’s Eduction System!How to beat that i ask you?
#37 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 10:21 pm
Yes one can learn some English when science and mathematics are taught English but that is altogether different from really acquiring proficiency in English which I feel is better achieved from constant exposure to and opportunity of usage of the language as it is ordinarily written and spoken. (In fact I even doubt that the language is learnt from learning its grammar rules). Regarding acquiring English proficiency via English Literature, as suggested by Ah Pek, it is probably relevant to those who are native English speakers/users or those who have already acquired a reasonable standard in English as second language. English literature is too hard for those who are deficient in the language and trying to improve from that lower base.
#38 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 10:37 pm
If one cannot even string a proper sentence in English (whether oral or written), I imagine it is near impossible to read and understand English Literature by poets, dramatists and writers of England, ages gone by, like Chaucer, Shakespeare, Worthsworth & Coleridge with their archaic, convoluted and Latin strewn form of expressions. :)
#39 by sebol on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 10:42 pm
Sejarah telah menunjukkan bahawa bukan melayu boleh berjaya dalam Matematik dan Sains meskipun diajar dalam BM.
Akan tetapi, disebabkan kuota terlalu kecil bukan-melayu ke IPTA, maka IPTA yang menggunakan BM akan jatuh.
Sekiranya lebih ramai bukan melayu diberi peluang belajar dalam BM, maka graduan IPTA tidaklah seteruk sekarang,
Istilah Sains dan Matematik dalam BM juga boleh diperluaskan penggunaannya.
Tak perlu salahkan bahasa, salahkan sistem kuota IPTA yang tidak adil itu.
#40 by lovemalaysiaforever on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 11:04 pm
The other point in teaching Maths and Science subject in English is because it does have their own type english words whereby these words we seldom learn through ordinary English language lessons. Correct me if I am not.
In Accountancy and Maths it have it’s own words and understanding.
In Science it also do have it’s own words too.
*Therefore those words we can hardly find in our normal English language lesson nor in our daily normal dictionary.
These are advantages for our children getting to know and learn more useful English words.
#41 by winterman05 on Saturday, 14 June 2008 - 11:42 pm
Dr. Bakri Musa,
You have written very clearly that English should continue to be the medium of instruction for Science and mathematics; and I sincerely hope, for the sake of our school-going children’s FUTURE and eventually the NATION;s FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, the educators including the Education Minister will READ and STUDY your article and take down NOTES on the relevancy of English in the study of Science and Mathematics.
May I add some points on the subject-matter ?
1. The DEFEATIST ( FATALISTIC) attitude must change, especially among the Malays. They give up HOPE easily! They try to avoid difficicult subjects. They want an easy way out; and they like to take up EASY courses which do not require too much LABOUR and BRAIN-POWER; and both Science and Mathematics require a lot of LABOUR and BRAIN-POWER! This is my observation; correct me if I am wrong.
2.So, to please the majority of the people ( meaning Malays) and for POLITICAL expediency and polictical advancement, Education Ministers tend to play the music which Malay parents and children like to hear!The most important consideration should be the FUTURE of our school , College and University; and eventually the NATION. To play political football at the expense of the FUTURE is a rather shallow and selfish way to do things, especially in EDUCATION.
3. Education is the FOUNDATION that must be built up for the CHARACTER, KNOWLEDGE and ADVANCEMENT of children. Should we CARE enough for them? Or should we care only for ourselves?
4. There are prononents of Malay -medium instruction who do not think DEEPLY the CONSEQUENCES of NOT encouraging and improving the learning of ENGLISH. Of course, translations from English to Malay could be done; but could translators keep PACE with the SPEEDY flow of Science and Mathematics in English? I remember one Malay man, learned in both Malay and English, who told me that it would take 3 to 4 years to TRANSLATE ONE book form English to Malay! Now, just compare the speed you can translate and the speed each Science and Mathematics book is produced! You simply CANNOT keep up with the speed books are churned out EVERY day in English! You will alwyas be far BEHIND.
It is just like running a marathon race; and you are trailing; and breathless in trying to keep pace with the fast runners!
5. We know very well that THOUSANDS of GRADUATES who have paper qualifications are UNABLE to speak proper English at interviews; and thus fail to get jobs in the private sector!And the private sector has no time to waste on RE-TRAINING graduates to speak proper English; they are more interested in getting jobs done and making profits. So, finally, most of the Malay graduates compete for GOVERNMENT jobs or join POLITICS!Could teh Government absorb so many graduates ?
Naturally, quite a number of such unsuccessful graduates will blame the Government for failing them to get jobs! To a certain extent, it is true! The ROOT CAUSE lies in the EARLY part of education in Primary schools! PUPILS MUST be give a strong FOUNDATION in English at Primary school level. To try to have an INTENSIVE course of 3 to 6 months of English when GRADUATES want to seek employment is TOO LATE indeed!
It is tantamount to going for INTENSIVE 3-6 months’ training in prepartion for the OLYMPICS!!! Olympians take YEARS and YEARS of training! A lot of HARD work and PERSEVERANCE are done before a person could eevr DREAM of competing at the Olympics.
The same goes for studies. You simply cannot mug and mug and mug on the night before the exam. It is just IMPOSSIBLE to achieve a commendable result in the exam.
Hence, I fully agree with Dr. Bakri Musa on the approach to studying English; and instead of we going backwards while others are going FORWARDS, we should GRIT our teeth, work hard, and master the English language for the good of the children and for the nation. To REVERSE gear is to go BACKWARDS.
S.H. Huang
#42 by justice_fighter on Sunday, 15 June 2008 - 1:03 am
If Malaysia can produce its home grown Nobel laureates in sciences and yet they first learn science and math using BM, I have nothing against using BM to teach science and math.
The fact is most Nobel laureates use English or other languages (including Chinese too but never BM!) when they first studied science and math.
If you can communicate competently in English and Chinese, you have plenty to gain in globalization, but the same can’t be said for BM.
#43 by cemerlang on Sunday, 15 June 2008 - 1:52 am
If Malaysia wishes to be a developed nation, language must be mastered and can be used in any situation even in the different government departments. While there are a lot of unfairness, trickery, manipulation and deceit in the government service, this is made worse when the government servants cannot speak English or speak poor English. Going back to English and education, English language itself should be made a compulsory subject and if the examination results are really so bad, then the students can re-sit for the English paper alone. There are not many Malay writers out there who can translate a good book from English to Malay. So you will have to depend on the ordinary everyday Malay language user who are not fluent in Malay to translate those English words into Malay words. It is not as easy as it looks. Many times, the meaning is out. Learning English has nothing to do with what happenned in the past when we are ruled by foreigners. Learning English is meant to help us to be competitive with the rest of the world because English is more widely used than other languages and the Malay language is not exactly one of the major languages in the world, no matter how you all try to put it in the spotlight.
#44 by Dr.Mohan on Sunday, 15 June 2008 - 2:05 am
One has to look at the 1956 Razak Report which was envisaged by the Tun Razak for independent Malaya in understanding the medium of instruction issues.It only recommended that English and Malay be made compulsory subjects in all schools.however, it clearly stipulated that educational policy be directed by the Minister of Education.Hence when Razak took the helm in the aftermath of the 1969 riots, he had wanted a broad-based government and perhaps appointed a Sarawakian Abdul Rahman Yaakob as the Minister of Education.The latter shocked the nation when he announced the change in the medium.even leaders like Tunku and Tun H.S.Lee had appealed for Science and Maths to be retained in english.To this Rahman’s reply was highly polarised with words such as ‘over my dead body’ in a fuction in the then newly inaugrated National University.Perhaps Razak himself was caught in surprise for that was not his vision in the light of his recommendations in the 1956 Report.It was perhaps in the then highly polarised situation that he did not comment on Rahman’s move.It was perhaps the reason for him to return Rahman to sarawak as CM and appoint what Razak saw as a then highly qualified and nationalist Dr.Mahathir as the Education Minister.While Dr.M had intellectual credentials, he had a political agenda and hence further aggressively pursued this language policy.When he realised the futility of the policy where in his words in an University in USA that even lecturers cant present research papers properly in international conferences and in the light of globalisation issues that he wanted to change it before leaving.There were some who commented on english Literature.Please be aware that in secondary schools, the government does have 6 periods a week for English and English novels (simplified versions) are taught.In science and mathematics there is no better alternative than to teach it in English as it exposes students to an ocean of knowledge.Yes China and Japan do it in their languages but how many of you know that Chinese primary schools in Malaya from the pre-war days taught Science long before even the Government introduced Science as a subject from Std.1 lomg after independence? The students of today can have access through internet and references that were not heard of in the days I studied in English medium.To sum it up I would ask the authorities to look at Brunei Darusaalam with a predominant Malay population.In the first few years of primary education Malay is the sole medium of instruction with English as a subject and in the later years english becomes the sole medium onwards through secondary to tertiary.Brunei Malays speak and write fluently in English and the situation of 1st Class Honours student writing such articles would never been seen from them.Why not we see this system and its sucesses as a base in a postive light to science and mathematics be taught in english?
#45 by Dr.Mohan on Sunday, 15 June 2008 - 2:07 am
Please correct typo errors.Reduce content if you see it as too long.Thanks.
#46 by bernadette on Sunday, 15 June 2008 - 2:08 am
“May be we need to study more European, US and Commonwealth History ..” linkamput
this is crap! what use is the study of elizabethan england to students in malaysia?
#47 by limkamput on Sunday, 15 June 2008 - 2:37 am
bernadette Says:this is crap! what use is the study of elizabethan england to students in malaysia?
Precisely coming from one who knows nothing but thinks he knows everything. Someone with a pathetic childhood probably still wetting pants every night. But if you ask nicely may be i will explain to you.
#48 by bernadette on Sunday, 15 June 2008 - 4:54 am
that’s a rhetorical question – LOL. if you stop being an arrogant twat, you’d have noticed that…..lol.
#49 by limkamput on Sunday, 15 June 2008 - 5:09 am
See how stupid can you be. So you think you are the only one who knows how to ask rhetoric questions and none of us knows how to be sarcastic? LOL louder than you. Btw I suspect you are the one who polluted a blog with all the extreme racist remarks – you know those who wet their pants at night will usually do such a thing.
#50 by bernadette on Sunday, 15 June 2008 - 5:43 am
it’s “rhetorical” and not “rhetoric” questions. obviously you’re the product of the system you’ve chosen to criticize. at least you’re right on that one!