Comments on: Islam Hadari and the Politics of Banning http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/ for Malaysia Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:40:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: lopez http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-111531 lopez Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:26:57 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-111531 i hear some malaysian call mid east ppl brothers, but i don;t hear a reciprocal reply from grass roots of mid ppl. It is a g-g statement. But i see money - money communication only yes it is purely commercial before we get too excited. Nothing more nothing less, and dont you construed i have to called you brother to get the deal through. Don't get me wrong we hardly know each other yet. Leave the spiritualities aside and alone. Many are confused enough already from our MOE education curriculum of brain narrowing i hear some malaysian call mid east ppl brothers, but i don;t hear a reciprocal reply from grass roots of mid ppl. It is a g-g statement.

But i see money - money communication only

yes it is purely commercial before we get too excited.

Nothing more nothing less, and dont you construed i have to called you brother to get the deal through.

Don’t get me wrong we hardly know each other yet.

Leave the spiritualities aside and alone.

Many are confused enough already from our MOE education curriculum of brain narrowing

]]> By: shamshul anuar http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110865 shamshul anuar Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:57:01 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110865 Dear Farish Noor, Yes Sir . The Crystal mosque certainly does not represent Islam. But certainly you got it wrong. I see nothing wrong in promoting Islam Hadhari. If you care to look into reasons given by some illustrious ulamas with regards to Islam Hadhari, you would find that they accept the idea of promoting Islam, Hadhari or not Hadhari wise. If it can benefit mankind( such as call for advancing agriculture or reducing corruption or improving public sector or removing discrimination againsts non Chinese in private sectors) why not ? Hasan Ali can give whatever seemingly valid reason. But the reason that I genuinely believe is actually political. To imply that Islam is a complete religion and thus needs to further ingenuity to be spread to mankind is simplicity at its best. Islam is complete. No doubt about it. But implementation is a worldly matter in the hand of mortals. As such, I see nothing harmful in adopting a suitable mode of implementation taking into consideration of local customs. With the highest of regards to Farish, I notice that he "tends" to look down on practices and customs of Malays. He ( I believe) tend to believe that vast majority of Malays think the way he does. Malays and their politicians, be they from UMNO, PAS or PKR do deserve some criticisms. But please do not ignore the voices of the Malays simply because it is written in Utusan Melayu. JUdging from what Farish said, Islam Hadhari is a total failure. Be fair to Pak Lah. Farish surely is aware that many Muslims despite knowing that praying 5 times a day is the very foundation of religion, dot fulfill the requirement. It is a divine instruction. Yet mere mortals disobey it. So, it is not surprising that PM's call to implement goods universal value ( also Islamic values) is met with ridicule. Many mock it by saying "Islam Ada Hari", a manifastation of the quality or rather the lack of it actually . It is sad, nauseating and worse still pathetic. Dear Farish Noor,

Yes Sir . The Crystal mosque certainly does not represent Islam. But certainly you got it wrong. I see nothing wrong in promoting Islam Hadhari.

If you care to look into reasons given by some illustrious ulamas with regards to Islam Hadhari, you would find that they accept the idea of promoting Islam, Hadhari or not Hadhari wise.

If it can benefit mankind( such as call for advancing agriculture or reducing corruption or improving public sector or removing discrimination againsts non Chinese in private sectors) why not ?

Hasan Ali can give whatever seemingly valid reason. But the reason that I genuinely believe is actually political. To imply that Islam is a complete religion and thus needs to further ingenuity to be spread to mankind is simplicity at its best. Islam is complete. No doubt about it. But implementation is a worldly matter in the hand of mortals. As such, I see nothing harmful in adopting a suitable mode of implementation taking into consideration of local customs.

With the highest of regards to Farish, I notice that he “tends” to look down on practices and customs of Malays. He ( I believe) tend to believe that vast majority of Malays think the way he does. Malays and their politicians, be they from UMNO, PAS or PKR do deserve some criticisms. But please do not ignore the voices of the Malays simply because it is written in Utusan Melayu.

JUdging from what Farish said, Islam Hadhari is a total failure. Be fair to Pak Lah. Farish surely is aware that many Muslims despite knowing that praying 5 times a day is the very foundation of religion, dot fulfill the requirement. It is a divine instruction. Yet mere mortals disobey it. So, it is not surprising that PM’s call to implement goods universal value ( also Islamic values) is met with ridicule.

Many mock it by saying “Islam Ada Hari”, a manifastation of the quality or rather the lack of it actually . It is sad, nauseating and worse still pathetic.

]]> By: Jeffrey http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110526 Jeffrey Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:09:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110526 Malaysiakini reports on Jun 14 – “PAS Youth is keen on implementing hardline Islamic laws that ban gambling, limiting sale of liquor and introducing dress code for office workers in all Pakatan-ruled states. In taking the first step towards introducing such laws, PAS Youth will organise a seminar in August to discuss the possibility of doing so. The movement’s deputy chief Azman Shapawi Abdul Rani said that committees to study the proposal would be established in Kelantan, Kedah, Penang, Perak and Selangor. “We are aware that it is not going to be easy in states like Penang and Perak where PAS is a minority but we will push for it,” said Azman, according to Bernama. Azman said that the proposed laws would not negatively affect non-Muslims despite the proposals directly touching on gambling, liquor and dress codes.” Malaysiakini reports on Jun 14 –

“PAS Youth is keen on implementing hardline Islamic laws that ban gambling, limiting sale of liquor and introducing dress code for office workers in all Pakatan-ruled states.

In taking the first step towards introducing such laws, PAS Youth will organise a seminar in August to discuss the possibility of doing so.

The movement’s deputy chief Azman Shapawi Abdul Rani said that committees to study the proposal would be established in Kelantan, Kedah, Penang, Perak and Selangor.

“We are aware that it is not going to be easy in states like Penang and Perak where PAS is a minority but we will push for it,” said Azman, according to Bernama.

Azman said that the proposed laws would not negatively affect non-Muslims despite the proposals directly touching on gambling, liquor and dress codes.”

]]> By: Old.observer http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110495 Old.observer Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:30:02 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110495 Also, whilst we are waiting for the SOURCE of these statements apparently made by Penang and Selangor State Government, how would we feel if the word "Islam Hadhari" is replaced by another religion such as "Buddhism", "Christianity", etc. E.g. "Selangor State will no longer promote Christianity (or Buddhism or another religion)". This seems like a really silly statement to make isn't it? It merely promotes anger amongst the Christians, and merely divides its population according to religion further. State representatives should not be goaded by the Mass Media or Anyone else to take positions on specific religions, when the Constitution promises freedom of religion. If they wish to make a comment on religion, then, repeat the Constitution. Old Observer. Also, whilst we are waiting for the SOURCE of these statements apparently made by Penang and Selangor State Government, how would we feel if the word “Islam Hadhari” is replaced by another religion such as “Buddhism”, “Christianity”, etc.

E.g. “Selangor State will no longer promote Christianity (or Buddhism or another religion)”.

This seems like a really silly statement to make isn’t it?

It merely promotes anger amongst the Christians, and merely divides its population according to religion further.

State representatives should not be goaded by the Mass Media or Anyone else to take positions on specific religions, when the Constitution promises freedom of religion. If they wish to make a comment on religion, then, repeat the Constitution.

Old Observer.

]]> By: Old.observer http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110494 Old.observer Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:24:01 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110494 Farish Noor says "In May the Pakatan-led state government of Selangor announced that henceforth the state would no longer promote Islam Hadari and this was later followed up by a similar move on the part of the Pakatan-led state government of Penang." I am puzzled. WHERE did Farish Noor obtain this information? WHAT does Penang and Selangor state government has to gain from taking this religious stance? WHO from Selangor government said that "the State will no longer promote"? And WHO from Penang government said "the State will make similar move?" Very, very puzzling indeed. Old Observer. Farish Noor says “In May the Pakatan-led state government of Selangor announced that henceforth the state would no longer promote Islam Hadari and this was later followed up by a similar move on the part of the Pakatan-led state government of Penang.”

I am puzzled.

WHERE did Farish Noor obtain this information?

WHAT does Penang and Selangor state government has to gain from taking this religious stance?

WHO from Selangor government said that “the State will no longer promote”?

And WHO from Penang government said “the State will make similar move?”

Very, very puzzling indeed.

Old Observer.

]]> By: cemerlang http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110342 cemerlang Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:34:02 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110342 According to the Oxford online dictionary, civilization has the meaning that indicates advancement of a society and a society means a group of people staying together. Malaysia is modern. She has some of the first class infrastructure ( repeating myself ). But the Malaysians, while many are educated, some do not think that Malaysia should go a step ahead. In fact, these some people are contented with the few materials that they have. If we look at the other Islamic states like Iran, women wear all black and cover themselves like as if what God has created is not proper enough. No doubt they have nuclear technology. But women who are still expected to stay at home is not what is called " advanced ". Many western countries are advance. They don't need to put the word " Islam " before the word advance or Hadhari. According to the Oxford online dictionary, civilization has the meaning that indicates advancement of a society and a society means a group of people staying together. Malaysia is modern. She has some of the first class infrastructure ( repeating myself ). But the Malaysians, while many are educated, some do not think that Malaysia should go a step ahead. In fact, these some people are contented with the few materials that they have. If we look at the other Islamic states like Iran, women wear all black and cover themselves like as if what God has created is not proper enough. No doubt they have nuclear technology. But women who are still expected to stay at home is not what is called ” advanced “. Many western countries are advance. They don’t need to put the word
” Islam ” before the word advance or Hadhari.

]]> By: Loyal Malaysian http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110303 Loyal Malaysian Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:52:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110303 I have always thought Islam Hadhari is just a vain attempt by Badawi & his advisors to establish his Ialamic credentials. Dr Farish has analysed the scenario of banning it extremely well. What's the point? Better focussed their energies towards ensuring their administrations are smmoth and above reproach by the wise!! I have always thought Islam Hadhari is just a vain attempt by Badawi & his advisors to establish his Ialamic credentials.
Dr Farish has analysed the scenario of banning it extremely well.
What’s the point?
Better focussed their energies towards ensuring their administrations are smmoth and above reproach by the wise!!

]]> By: Jeffrey http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110288 Jeffrey Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:51:20 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110288 we are in the business of passing judgments : we voted them in. we are in the business of passing judgments : we voted them in.

]]> By: bernadette http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110284 bernadette Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:34:29 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/12/islam-hadari-and-the-politics-of-banning/#comment-110284 "The question is whether it is right or wrong act, a wise or unwise move .." we are not in the business of passing judgments. consequently religion cannot be taken out of the equation. to suggest that it can is naive. “The question is whether it is right or wrong act, a wise or unwise move ..”

we are not in the business of passing judgments.

consequently religion cannot be taken out of the equation. to suggest that it can is naive.

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