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	<title>Comments on: Indonesia’s Battle for Religious Pluralism Continues</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: greenacre</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/06/indonesia%e2%80%99s-battle-for-religious-pluralism-continues/#comment-108886</link>
		<dc:creator>greenacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the battle against religious bigots all over the world shows how true is  the great statement ' religion is the opium of the masses'

I am perplexed by the trouble of Islam all over the world. With many great and old religions around only Islam seems to be at a loggerhead with the west as well as the east. Can someone care to explain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the battle against religious bigots all over the world shows how true is  the great statement &#8216; religion is the opium of the masses&#8217;</p>
<p>I am perplexed by the trouble of Islam all over the world. With many great and old religions around only Islam seems to be at a loggerhead with the west as well as the east. Can someone care to explain?</p>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/06/indonesia%e2%80%99s-battle-for-religious-pluralism-continues/#comment-108830</link>
		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Islamic state who owned oil like Egypt, for those muslim who went to Mecca for the Haj will know that their petrol is cheap and all luxury car is cheap there.

Onli Indonesia due to previous govt. admin siphoned too much from the people's coffer into their own personal bank account like what is happening in Malaysia now. If the government did not re distribute wealth, a country will collapsed the person masterminding it might not be sentence but the people who lived in the country are sentenced to hardship and rising of cost to make a living especially middle and low income earners.

Not all Malaysian are lucky and inherit wealth from their ancestor, many are working class, for majority Indian they work in estate, for majority malay they work in factory as operator earning RM 600-800 per month, and for chinese most of them are middle management.

It is ok we protest the street but the problem is, all people must understand, what is done is already history, nothing can bring back the money even if the law were used to penalize it, still the money will not be back, after Suharto died, there's nothing can be improve becos the country already no money.

Malaysia will be the same, whoever going up to sit as Federal govt. leader, when they look at the country bank account, there is no more money left even Petronas money are been siphoned out to respective individual personal account. When there is no longer money, subsidies that the people used to enjoy will be cut and sustain the economy.

Whether PR go up, there will still be problem, racial orientation, if BN still remain, there will still be problem of how they can exploit the M'sian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islamic state who owned oil like Egypt, for those muslim who went to Mecca for the Haj will know that their petrol is cheap and all luxury car is cheap there.</p>
<p>Onli Indonesia due to previous govt. admin siphoned too much from the people&#8217;s coffer into their own personal bank account like what is happening in Malaysia now. If the government did not re distribute wealth, a country will collapsed the person masterminding it might not be sentence but the people who lived in the country are sentenced to hardship and rising of cost to make a living especially middle and low income earners.</p>
<p>Not all Malaysian are lucky and inherit wealth from their ancestor, many are working class, for majority Indian they work in estate, for majority malay they work in factory as operator earning RM 600-800 per month, and for chinese most of them are middle management.</p>
<p>It is ok we protest the street but the problem is, all people must understand, what is done is already history, nothing can bring back the money even if the law were used to penalize it, still the money will not be back, after Suharto died, there&#8217;s nothing can be improve becos the country already no money.</p>
<p>Malaysia will be the same, whoever going up to sit as Federal govt. leader, when they look at the country bank account, there is no more money left even Petronas money are been siphoned out to respective individual personal account. When there is no longer money, subsidies that the people used to enjoy will be cut and sustain the economy.</p>
<p>Whether PR go up, there will still be problem, racial orientation, if BN still remain, there will still be problem of how they can exploit the M&#8217;sian.</p>
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		<title>By: isahbiazhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>isahbiazhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as they do not spill over to Malaysia it is well and good.Indonesia is capable of handling this problem because they have better experience than Malaysia.Where Malaysia could not tolerate, they live with it.That is religious freedom.I think we can learn a lot from Indonesia where religious tolerance are concerned.I think it is partly they have the Hindhu religion as base and they have not wiped it out.Malaysia should be concerned only when their(Indonesian) population here increases.If the government only allowed the Malays to learn about other religions in this country we will not face any of those problems.If they are faced with Islam alone they will become fanatic as there are enough ulamas here who can convince them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as they do not spill over to Malaysia it is well and good.Indonesia is capable of handling this problem because they have better experience than Malaysia.Where Malaysia could not tolerate, they live with it.That is religious freedom.I think we can learn a lot from Indonesia where religious tolerance are concerned.I think it is partly they have the Hindhu religion as base and they have not wiped it out.Malaysia should be concerned only when their(Indonesian) population here increases.If the government only allowed the Malays to learn about other religions in this country we will not face any of those problems.If they are faced with Islam alone they will become fanatic as there are enough ulamas here who can convince them.</p>
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		<title>By: mauriyaII</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/06/indonesia%e2%80%99s-battle-for-religious-pluralism-continues/#comment-108776</link>
		<dc:creator>mauriyaII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious fanaticism of any kind, Islamic or otherwise should be condemned. Fanatics only fan religious fervour to the highest under the delusion that they are the true followers and heaven is only for them.

Such bigotry can't be any good to any plural society with  diverse religious beliefs. Fanaticism should be nipped in the bud before it blososms and engulfs the whole nation in genocide that happened during the reign of Sukarno when religous fanatics and communists clashed that led to a bloodbath of unprecedented level

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious fanaticism of any kind, Islamic or otherwise should be condemned. Fanatics only fan religious fervour to the highest under the delusion that they are the true followers and heaven is only for them.</p>
<p>Such bigotry can&#8217;t be any good to any plural society with  diverse religious beliefs. Fanaticism should be nipped in the bud before it blososms and engulfs the whole nation in genocide that happened during the reign of Sukarno when religous fanatics and communists clashed that led to a bloodbath of unprecedented level</p>
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		<title>By: rainbowseahorse</title>
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		<dc:creator>rainbowseahorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we already have some of those extremists blokes in our MPs...hmmm..if I am not mistaken, one is the son of a former PM, another is married to the daughter of a really top gun in Malaysian government, one more is assiting that "really top gun" fellow, and one more is just planning to rejoin UMNO....Not really sure lah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we already have some of those extremists blokes in our MPs&#8230;hmmm..if I am not mistaken, one is the son of a former PM, another is married to the daughter of a really top gun in Malaysian government, one more is assiting that &#8220;really top gun&#8221; fellow, and one more is just planning to rejoin UMNO&#8230;.Not really sure lah!</p>
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		<title>By: Cinapek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cinapek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"....Now that Southeast Asia seems to be on the verge of yet another economic crisis instigated by the global energy crisis, will there be a repeat of the scenario of 1997-2000, when right-wing religious and communitarian groups came to the fore to add to the chaos?..."

Ys, absolutely. We all know and remembered the proliferation of the JI during that period and the attempts to bomb the Immigration complex in JB amongst others.

Malaysia should watch this development of the FPI fanaticism closely because we have learned from history there is a high possibility of them exporting such religious extremism to Malaysia such as in the JI case. And with no shortage of Islamic religious extremists in Malaysia ever ready to embrace such extreme fanatic ideology, this evil can take root very fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;.Now that Southeast Asia seems to be on the verge of yet another economic crisis instigated by the global energy crisis, will there be a repeat of the scenario of 1997-2000, when right-wing religious and communitarian groups came to the fore to add to the chaos?&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ys, absolutely. We all know and remembered the proliferation of the JI during that period and the attempts to bomb the Immigration complex in JB amongst others.</p>
<p>Malaysia should watch this development of the FPI fanaticism closely because we have learned from history there is a high possibility of them exporting such religious extremism to Malaysia such as in the JI case. And with no shortage of Islamic religious extremists in Malaysia ever ready to embrace such extreme fanatic ideology, this evil can take root very fast.</p>
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		<title>By: harrisonbinhansome</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/06/06/indonesia%e2%80%99s-battle-for-religious-pluralism-continues/#comment-108666</link>
		<dc:creator>harrisonbinhansome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any Islamic fundamentalist sect must be dealt with effectively and disbanded before other Indonesians and foreigners suffers another bloodbath to some other race like the chinks during the Suharto regime that led to his fall and the Bali bombings that not only killed foreigners but locals by the carrier of explosives popularly known as "suicide (homicide)-bombers" "they" branded as heroes.

Any sorts of fundamentalist in any religions that use brutal and lethal force and warfare against anyone or anything must be stopped, ceased and desist forever.

This kind of extremisms are not patriotisms of any sane justifications, but an act of lunacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any Islamic fundamentalist sect must be dealt with effectively and disbanded before other Indonesians and foreigners suffers another bloodbath to some other race like the chinks during the Suharto regime that led to his fall and the Bali bombings that not only killed foreigners but locals by the carrier of explosives popularly known as &#8220;suicide (homicide)-bombers&#8221; &#8220;they&#8221; branded as heroes.</p>
<p>Any sorts of fundamentalist in any religions that use brutal and lethal force and warfare against anyone or anything must be stopped, ceased and desist forever.</p>
<p>This kind of extremisms are not patriotisms of any sane justifications, but an act of lunacy.</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indon leaders must deal with the Islamic Defenders’ Front (FPI) the way China dealt with its Falungong, i.e. with an iron fist. If not, these "religious" bigots would run amok and bring the 200 million Indons back to the Stone Age</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indon leaders must deal with the Islamic Defenders’ Front (FPI) the way China dealt with its Falungong, i.e. with an iron fist. If not, these &#8220;religious&#8221; bigots would run amok and bring the 200 million Indons back to the Stone Age</p>
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